MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ lawmakers underline significance of the referendum to Latam countries
“Who else but us can decide on our future” said Falkland Islands representatives currently visiting several Latin American countries, who anticipated that next year’s referendum on the Islands political status will send the world a clear forceful message on “our right to self determination”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYou guys better check with Doveoverdover before you keep saying stuff like that. Boy will he straighten you out. He was in the military you know!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
You gotta be kidding!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Barry Elsby and Dick Sawle: born in the UK!
“London argues that the Islanders, who have been living the in the Islands for almost two centuries have the right to self determination”
Why don`t you at least send Malvinenses?!??!! HA HA HA AHA
Self-governing, independent territory? Flreely elected government? WHAT!?!? You are a COLONY!
- The executive administration is headed by non-elected governor designated by the Crown. There are other non-elected two government officials.
- Lesilative Assembly: 47% are designated by the non-elected governor. 8 out of 13 members were born in the UK!
MALVINAS ISLANDERS DO NOT GOVERN THE ISLANDS. CITIZENS OF THE UK LOCATED IN THE ISLANDS GOVERN THEM!
Go back to the UK to Self-detemine your future! YOU ARE A JOKE!
Just think!!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully, come 2013 the whole world will know what you want and that will silence all of those famous has-been and the medalling do-gooders and those crack pot Nobel Peace Prize winners who keep on saying “well we think you should sit down and talk about it”
Now, wouldn't that be a grand thing?
Those two stood for election and we the islanders voted them in, democracy!! If they were not eligible to stand they would not be there. So don't be jealous little Islas Malvinas troll.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 Islas Malvinas
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Self-governing, independent territory? Flreely elected government? WHAT!?!?”
I know!! shocking isn't it? I suppose that the idea of a freely elected government is a completely new concept to you but try not to sh*t your pants!!!
Just watch and learn how it is supposed to be done.
@1 There is something deeply fishy about your preoccupation with my insight and inputs. So, who else?
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Constitution is not drafted in the Falklands nor amended in any respect by the Falkland Islands Government. The Constitution is an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and is amended by the Privy Council on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
I think that answers the question. I can let you know the source of that quote if you're interested. By the way, a full career in the military is a great way to learn how to recognise self serving bull when you hear or read it.
@2
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Barry Elsby and Dick Sawle: born in the UK!
María Eugenia Estenssoro is a Bolivian-born Argentine politician, journalist and activist for women's rights. She represents the city of Buenos Aires in the Argentine Senate
#2 Yeah, just another pair of imports jetting down to sunny Panama on LAN paid for by Chilean right wing fascists. Lovely combination.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, all wasted effort. Everyone knows that this is all smoke and mirrors. No self determination applies here.
@8
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather a lot of bile there, for an American. Anybody might think you had a dog in this fight.
No bile. Just knowledgeable of history and common sense. We do live in a Democracy you know.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 islas @ 8
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Barry Elsby and Dick Sawle: born in the UK!”, and?,
they both have nearly 50 years of falkland nationality between them,
am i wrong?
and in any other democratic country worth its salt that more than qualifies them as legitamate countrymen if they so wish, and thats the beauty of democracy :)))
you will love this one:
CFK is trying to use the non-national in politics:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/chatter/argentina-foreigners-16-year-olds-vote-us-elections-voter-id
do you still have a problem with peoples origins in politics, Islas??
CFK doesnt no matter if you have just arrived as long as she gets to buy their vote nothing else matters, thats dictocracy right there :)))
Think about it! its good enough for CFK, you are meant to be democratic, are you not?
SELF-DETERMINATION & DEMOCRACY & REFERENDUM :))))
6 The only smell of fish here is coming from you. Something doesn't stack up. I don't have a preoccupation with you; I don't even know what makes you say that. I did however become a little suspicious of you and indeed did consider carefully the contents of your subsequent posts after you bragged one day that your son was about to go to the Falklands to improve its gene pool. Regardless of whether other posts were merely dealing objectively with the facts rather than being unconditionally pro-Falkland there was something fundamentally wrong with that post that made you stand out from the rest. Sir!
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is so good that i can't resist the temptation to cut and paste it.
I must be insane..............
”(6) Doveoverdover
The Constitution is NOT drafted in the Falklands NOR amended in ANY respect by the Falkland Islands Government.
The Constitution IS an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and IS amended by the Privy Council on the advice of THE Foreign and Commonwealth Office..........
.........By the way, a full career in the military is a great way to learn how to recognise self serving bull when you hear or read it.”
@12 - Joe
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, he smells of RG troll.
While some of the things he says are factually correct the context in which he presents them is wrong. In fact his manner is completely anti-Falklands and pro-Argentinian.
I've never met one ex-military or serving military person who doesn't completely believe in the right to self-determination for the Falkland Islanders.
14 LEPRecon
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've met quite a few ex-military who didn't support self-determination for the Falkland Islanders. They were all Argentine.
The constitution was written in the Falklands by Falkland Islanders and then put through the publishing process as is accepted by Falkland Islanders as British subjects. I know how hard Mike Summers and others worked on it.
Chuckle chuckle.
Two englishmans lost in South Americaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
Sep 05th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They wont come to Argentina, for obvious reasons.
Its just propaganda. They repeat exactly the same phrases like “un disco rayado”, so afraid of saying sth incorrect.
Remember to give back the bible to the cementary, its not yours, squatters.
if you are refering to the arg cemetary, then one would tend to look in ones backyard, wouldn't one...
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooops....
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to be that someone is telling “porkies” in here.........
Mr Doveoverdover says at (6):
“The Constitution is not drafted in the Falklands nor amended in any respect by the Falkland Islands Government. The Constitution is an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and is amended by the Privy Council on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.”
Mr. Joe Bloggs replays at (15):
“The constitution was written in the Falklands by Falkland Islanders and then put through the publishing process as is accepted by Falkland Islanders as British subjects.”
A “tuff” nut to crack this one................
What does the F***lands Islands Government Webpage say about this matter...???...:
”The Constitution is not drafted in the Falklands nor amended in any respect by the Falkland Islands Government. The Constitution is an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and is amended by the Privy Council on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. ”
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/The_Constitution.html
Chuckle chuckle©
Malen - of course they won't go to Argentina. There is nothing in Argentina worth seeing and why would someone want to visit Argentina only to get hugged at knife point?
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islas - you and non other of your Argie commrades have actually told us what you are going to do about it. Is shag all the right answer?
Cowards who like to run away. Kind of sums you up!
(19) Beef
Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Mr. Beef....
Long time no Beef.....
What was your RKH average...?
145~150p if I remember correctly...?
And “oil production” in five years time....?
Five years! Like in the good old Stalin times:-)))
Chuckle chuckle©
18 Think
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see any conflict. The FCO drafted the constitution in the UK. We told them what to put in it.
The last piece of that page, the piece that you are so proudly quoting, is very important. That's because the right to self determination isin the constitution. We want it to be quite clear that this is UK policy.
“ By the way, a full career in the military is a great way to learn how to recognise self serving bull when you hear or read it.”
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too true.....
(see above)
@11 Pirate Love
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we call it gerrymandering!
Malen
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That cemetery is only there by the grace of the Falkland Islanders, you should learn some respect, they got a much better burial than they deserved. As for the bible, I would use it for loo paper, luckily for you people it will probably be treated with white gloves and returned to the owner, the Islanders have more class than I do.
I want to see the results of the investigation of the bible of Scotalnd Yard or UK, so fond to know how they are so able to resolve such a case.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 Any update on who fire bombed the British Embassy in BA yet?
Sep 06th, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think - Average will start to creep up as I top up gradually over the next five years.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The name of the game is dividends :-)
18 Think
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've surpassed even the Deadbeat Handbook this time. Coming up with, designing and writing a piece of law is no different from coming up with, designing and then sketching say, a house. You think of how you want it to be, you consult your family, you examine others like it, look at the various optional components, do some sketches and then you send it of to your architect who, with the help of draftsmen, engineers and builders, creates the final version just how you want it. You're only a small guy without the many many years of experience and reputation that the architect has so his name quite rightly goes in the credits and you are quite happy about it.
Having been involved in the writing of the odd piece of law that has been my experience.
Now I'm off travelling for a few days so I'll let you and your chum try to tell me I am wrong and when I get back online over the weekend your efforts will be wrapping fish n chips somewhere.
Chuckle chuckle.
28
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now, where was I? Oh yeah:
You move into your lovely new home and you can proudly show it off as your home that you built for you and your family for generations to come. Unfortunately on one side you have pesky neighbours who are nothing but pains in the arse. They are very jealous of your new home so they try to knock it down. The only trouble is that when they attempt it with their, let's face it, feeble methods, they realise just how well your home has been built.
Chuckle chuckle.
@1 Beginning a thread with:
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Joe Bloggs (#) Sep 05th, 2012 - 07:34 pm Report abuse
You guys better check with Doveoverdover before you keep saying stuff like that. Boy will he straighten you out. He was in the military you know! Chuckle chuckle
looks obsessive to me.
As for the genetics of the Falkland Islands, I wonder if you have ever reflected on why contingent after contingent of British service personnel nicknamed the islanders “Bennies” and “Stills”?
@2
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must be kidding!
After the Royal Navy removed the illegal Argentine backed garrison from the Falklands in 1833 the British and Argentine Governments signed the 'Convention of Settlement' treaty (legally binding document). In the treaty both countries acknowledged that 'a state of perfect harmony had been restored' and 'that neither country had ANY outstanding differences.' After this the Argentine govenments produced tens of thousands of maps for it's consulates that either omitted the Falklands from its territory or showed the Falklands in a different colour like the '1882 Latzina Map' successfully used by Chile in their Beagle Island Dispute with Argentina in the 1970s. It is only since the time of Peron (Hitler's buddy) that Argentina has made illegitimate claims to the Falklands. The British claims to the Falklands will stand up to any independent legal scrutiny. The Moral right to have a referendum rests with the Falkland Islanders, the legal occupants of the Islands. It is up to them to decide what flag to live under. They have this right undert the UN charter - they do not wish to become 'an Argentine Colony.'
l'm not worried about the silly Argentines anymore.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their cries of desperation are getting more & more feeble.
Think, you have lost your old flair.
lts not fun debating with you anymore.
malen's resorted to the “squatters” card when actually most Argentines are squatting on someone elses land.
ProArgAm & Doveoverdover just Argentine trolls.
You can feel the resentment from MarcosA. his manhood is in question since we defeated their silly comic-book army in 1982.
l think l prefer Malvinero1 with his AAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH.
At least it raises a smile.
No, malvinistas, its all up for you.
You've lost. now just disappear!♥
CFK cries softer by the day,
Sep 06th, 2012 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is slowly dawning on South America,
That there is a great difference between
What you say,
And what you do, [to back it up]
And thus we again will be proved correct,
There is nothing, we repeat, nothing, CFK can do to the British of the Falklands, except talk,....................
31 Doveoverdover
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0''As for the genetics of the Falkland Islands, I wonder if you have ever reflected on why contingent after contingent of British service personnel nicknamed the islanders “Bennies” and “Stills”?''
Ref 31: 'As for the genetics of the Falkland Islands, I wonder if you have ever reflected on why contingent after contingent of British service personnel nicknamed the islanders “Bennies” and “Stills”?'
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you seriously don't know why they were nicknamed Bennies, then i say you are a liar, and have never been part of Her Majesties Armed Forces.
@31 Yeah Falkland Islanders must be the first people in history to receive a derogatory name.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Barry Elsby is a British born, Falkland Islands doctor and politician...
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Richard “Dick” Sawle is a British born, Falkland Islands politician...
Pathetic.
how deflated are The argentines going to feel when they eventually realize their government has been criminally brainwashing them since childhood promising aspirations that dont not exist, its going to be totally devastating for the mislead. They will never get The Falklands but they have my empathy :(
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is truly a W.M.D (woman of mass delusion)
SELF-DETERMINATION :))
@2 What a stupid rant. You can't even manage a working government for the benefit of the people on behalf of whom it is supposed to govern! More crooks than the Mafia. You wouldn't understand another country's government and you'd lie about it anyway. You always lie!
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Strangely enough, the Constitution of the Falkland Islands created the Legislative Assembly that has legislative powers for “the peace, order and good government of the Falkland Islands. A Constitution is one thing, legislation is a little different. For example, many organisations have ”constitutions“ that come from a template.
@8 In your opinion. That isn't worth much. Please note that any UN GA resolution, non-binding though it is, is not legitimate unless it complies with the UN Charter. SELF-DETERMINATION RULES!
@20 Will you see what happens in 5 years' time?
@25 The case can be ”resolved“ quite easily. Remove the graves to somewhere more appropriate. The Atlantic Ocean perhaps? Should never have been allowed in the first place!
@31 Don't have to ”reflect“ on it. We KNOW! The original term ”Bennies“ was used because the manner of the Islanders' dress at the time reminded troops of the character ”Benny“ from the British TV soap Crossroads. Senior British officers did not approve and banned use of the term. The troops responded with ”Stills” (still Bennies). Not difficult, is it? But why would you be considering the genetics of the Falklands because of a single word? No doubt “yanks” are so called because they are forever fiddling with their privates. “Krauts” because they are sour? “Wankers” because they are argies? “Nuts” because they are Brazilian? “Tosspots” because they are argies? It's all straightforward when you have a brain.
@38 whats pathetic? the fact you are using someones origins as your only point, or the fact you dont recognize they both have been Falkland nationals for a combined 50 years, you clearly do not know CFK is trying to use the non-nationals and their bought vote to try and win a re-election, thats hypocracy or are you pathetically blind to this fact also??
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION!!! & DEMOCRACY!!! :)))) All day every day!!
31 Doveoverdover
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, as I was saying, I have reflected on why some members of the armed forces use the derogatory names 'Bennies' and 'Stills'. The conclusion I reached was that the stupid, the ignorant and the racists are to be found everywhere, including the armed forces. That should not lead us to assume that you are all like that.
Some less enlightened Falkland Islanders might use the terms 'whenIs' (as in 'when I was in Kandahar'), 'bootnecks' etc. That, however, does not lessen the high esteem in which the community as a whole regards the forces.
Hope this helps
“they both have been Falkland nationals for a combined 50 years,”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 050 years longer than any Argentine is likely to get in the next millenium or so.... ;-0
(classic)
18 Think (#)
Sep 06th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 05th, 2012 - 10:12 pm
You say: “”The Constitution is not drafted in the Falklands nor amended in any respect by the Falkland Islands Government. The Constitution is an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and is amended by the Privy Council on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. ”
www.falklands.gov.fk/assembly/The_Constitution.html
Chuckle chuckle©”
The Falklands Legislative Assembly webpage says:
”Falkland Islanders were consulted throughout the process through the publication of several documents raising particular subjects for consideration as well as discussions held between Councillors and groups of constituents.
A Final Report was submitted to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) in May 2007.
Following negotiations between the Select Committee and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, a draft Constitution was produced for public consultation. All Falkland Islanders had opportunity to discuss and comment on it at all stages before it was finalised.
The Constitution is not drafted in the Falklands nor amended in any respect by the Falkland Islands Government. The Constitution is an instrument of Her Majesty's Government and is amended by the Privy Council on the advice of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. ”
Quite different meaning when taken out of context, the same goes for Doveoverdover. You are both trolls!!!!
BTW RKH is up 5 pence to £176!!!!!
@21 At the risk of appearing lazy or unable to read, would you kindly point me in the direction of the section in the Constitution that guarantees the right to collective self determination for Falkland Islanders?
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks in advance.
(21) Monty 96
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the risk of appearing lazy or unable to read, would you kindly point me in the direction of the section in the Constitution that guarantees the right to collective self determination for Falkland Islanders?
Thanks in advance.
Think - of course the final legal drafting of our Constitution is/was done in London - Falklands does not have the expertise to get all the legal lingo correct and the hereby untos and wherefor thou shalls into the right sentences!
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But yoiu can rest assured that OUR elected members drew up all the basics and got them into outline legal jargon with our own appointed Attorney general who is independent of London - then a process went on where it went to and from until all sides were happy it was correct and we had the points we wanted and London had them in the correct legal wording.
Do tell me what is Colonial about that? - have you never hired an expert - even a plumber or electrician who knows more than you do about that particular job?
Also under the UN it is UK that has responsibility for ensuring good fair democratic governance here - so it is logical that they are involved in the wording - after all it is them who then take it to the UN!
We know that you want to remain British. I agree with that and it is reasonable.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The referendum is useless. Everybody knows that.
The main Problems is that kelpers live in an usurped territory since 1833.
No matter if they want to be ruled by UK, Germany or Colombia. The territory does not belong to them. It belongs to Arg.-
Britain has no Rights over the Islands.-
@45
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's in the same place as that covering the planned Scottish referendum.
Stupidity is alive and well, and living in deutscher.
Sep 06th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0more of the same, who would want to be a part of Argentina?? No seriously???
Sep 06th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailywealth.com/2202/Crisis-Replay-Soon-Argentina-Will-Be-on-Sale-Again
Another greece?, as the rich bail out of crumbling Argentina with their $,$$$,$$$,$$$?
SELF-DETERMINATION & DEMOCRACY !!!!!
“We want to decide our future”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.prensalibre.com/internacional/queremos-decidir-futuro_0_769123146.html
@27 'The main Problems is that kelpers live in an usurped territory' and the Argentines live where exactly?????? Dill
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas: it is never beneficial “negative diplomacy”
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/opinion/Malvinas-beneficiosa-diplomacia-negativa_0_769123160.html
@50 great read, made my day
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 031 Doveoverdover
Sep 06th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 045 Think
I always suspected you were the same person.
Do you mind if we skip the part where you re-write the charter of the UN so that it doesn't apply to Falkland Islanders? I haven't the energy for it.
You say we are not a people, I say we are , you say we aren't.
I say are the St Helenians a people, or the Chagossians, you say they are.
I ask what the difference is, you say it's because they're black and their ancestors didn't come from England, I facepalm.
You say the difference is the Argentine claim, your doppelganger says its because Britain wants the oil and Antarctica, I facepalm again. Conversation ends.
Does that just about cover it?
Alternatively, we could just accept what the constitution says. All people have the right to self determination. And that includes us.The UN says so, the UK government says so. We say so.
What the pair of you think doesn't signify.
( 55) Monty69
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“31 Doveoverdover / 45 Think
I always suspected you were the same person.”
I say:
Not we are not!
1) DoD is a Labrador Retriver person, Think is a German Boxer person...
2) Dod is Scottish, with a perfect dominion of the English grammar...
Think is Argentinean and struggles with his English...
3) DoD is a married man.... Think is a free man...
And dont dodge our question you devious Kelperette you.....:
”Would you kindly point us in the direction of the section in the Constitution that guarantees the right to collective self determination for Falkland Islanders?
Thanks in advance.............
@56 and can you point out to us were it says word for word in ANY constitution you wish that says, “The collective Falklanders DO NOT qualify for any Human Rights including the right to SELF-DETERMINATION” ??
Sep 06th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good Luck!
SELF-DETERMINATION & DEMOCRACY :))))
@47
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The main Problems is that kelpers live in an usurped territory since 1833”
Remember who Argentina usurped most of its territory from?
Using your logic, everyone in Argentina not descended from the original Amerindian tribes goes home to Europe.
56 Think
Sep 06th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand what you mean. What does 'the right to collective self determination' mean. The constitution says self determination according to the guidelines laid down by the UN. What more could it say?
To all malvinsts: If one accepts your flimsy claims for arguments sake please please please explain your legit claim over south georgian and sandwich islands..... Spain were never there and neither any indig. Population or any RGs .......... Please enlighten me!
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40 PirateLove
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is pathetic how the very “lawmakers”, elected to be part of the Legislative Assembly (the “democratic” side of FI's government), are perfect examples of the British policy of overwhelming colonization that replaced the original Argentine settlement.
@61
Sep 07th, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do u have any comments on my question two posts above????????
61 PGH
Sep 07th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is pathetic is that you think this has anything to do with you. We voted for them, they are our choice. That's democracy. We don't care where they came from.
They are perfect examples of people leaving their country of birth to take up opportunities somewhere new. Which is how your country was made, and don't you forget it.
@63
Sep 07th, 2012 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Dover and Ashford we have similarly strong feelings about the Kent County Councillors. One of our most respected was born in Mauritius. By heavens, even I've done it. Well done you, although it might be nice to see a former Saint or Chilean elected in the Assembly if symbolism is what you're after. Still, good to see that the American dream writ small is alive and well in the Falkland Islands.
On an earlier point I'm pleased to report my valueless opinion that the UN Charter, idealist, contradictory and vague as only a multilateral compromise statement could be, applies as much to the Falkland Islands as it does to Kent.
So,what more could the Constitution say? Can I suggest that it could say, in bold, clear and unambiguous terms:
Section X. In practical application of the UN Charter:
1. The Crown recognises the Falkland Islanders as a People under the UN Charter and that the possession of Falkland Island Status is the only condition that qualifies an individual to be a member of that people and is without reference to place of birth, nationality or race.
2. Her Majesty's Secretary of State will initiate a Constitutional Change Process if requested to do so by the Speaker of the Assembly if that request is supported by all elected Assembly members.
3. Her Majesty will approve constitutional changes including the relinquishing of all her prerogatives with regard to the Falkland Islands if that Constitutional Change Process leads to such recommendation and that recommendation is supported in a referendum by over 50% of adults holding Falkland Island status (i.e. The Falkland Islanders).
In return for my efforts could you please, without to much personal abuse, just point me at the substantive section of the Constitution that calls up those “Guidelines laid down by the UN”?
64 Doveoverdover
Sep 07th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your time, but there isn't any need for all that. If the people of Kent rose as one and asked for their independence, and the UK as the sovereign power decided to give it to them, the existence or not of a constitution wouldn't make any difference.
Other former colonies and overseas territories of the UK did not gain their independence because they wrote it into their constitutions. They either fought for independence or asked for it. Fortunately, we don't now live in a world where territories have to fight for independence from the UK. I don't believe, now, that the UK would be able to change our status against our wishes.
The opening section of the Constitution says enough about our fundamental rights and freedoms to satisfy us. That is all that is important. That, combined with the assurances we have received over the years from HMG that we really can choose our own way will do, thanks.
Some say, the Falklands are just a British colony,
Sep 07th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0??????????
We say,
Are you jealous?
Or just very envy.
?
That you are not ??
.
@62 brit abroad
Sep 07th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I saw them, but I don't feel like going down that line. First comes first: discussion over Georgias and Sandwich Islands is highly dependent on the sovereignty issue over the Falklands.
@63 Monty69
They were elected... unless they are the Chief Executive or the Director of Finance. Those are not democratic figures.
And I won't forget how my country was built, it's everywhere in the streets, every day.
67 PGH
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'Chief Executive or the Director of Finance' are not democratic figures. They are civil servants appointed by elected members, and they enact government policy. They don't decide policy and they are not politicians.
Don't you have a civil service where you come from?
This election is irelevant as the original inhabitants (argentines) were evicted.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the same as the sham election held in six of the nine counties of ulster (northern Ireland) where the country was built to have an inbuilt Protestant majority. You could not even win an election in one province of Ireland. So you invented a counntry. How democratic!.
And holding an election on Gibralter while excluding spain is just as pathetic.
It never fails to suprise me just how much British tax payers money you islanders are prepared to waste. This latest sham will just make fools of you all in the eyes of the world as it will highlight that you evicted the Argentines and rigged another ballot.
@65
Sep 07th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, I've demonstrated that it could say more and, while you might agree that it could, you believe it doesn't need to.
In return, you've identified that the only mention of the Right of Peoples and the UN Charter is in the introduction to the chapter on the Rights of Individuals and that you believe this is enough when added to the reassurance given by Westminster politicians that you are free to choose your own way. I believe you have been promised that there will be no change to the constitutional arrangements without your agreement.
We both want the same thing then - for the Falkland Islands constitutional arrangements to be substantively unchanged during the rest of our lifetimes. Phew, someone might have thought we were in disagreement - Blue on Blue I think they call it.
Anyway, I do hope you have as big a say in framing the Referendum Question and determining the Franchise as you think you must have had with shaping the 2008 Constitution. I can foresee hours of Mercopress fun to come if that level of implicit assumption' deference to the FCO and blind faith underpins the event. And no talk of independence or full integration into the UK, OK. Self determination, both individual and collective, only goes so far before you infringe the rights of others and the public interest you know (see Chap 1 Para 1 of the Constitution)
(65) Monty96
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Phew, we are in agreement then...
Kelper self determination, both individual and collective, only goes so far before you infringe the rights of others (Argentineans and/or British) and the public interest (of Argentina and/or Britain) you know (see Chap 1 Para 1 of the Constitution ;-)
@71 Will you please stop doing that and start thinking for yourself again? In lucid periods only, thank you. This is clearly not one of them.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For innocent bystanders to this exchange, the Public Interest referred to in that piece of UK Legislation is the British Public Interest, not that of a foreign state with colonial aspirations of its own.
(72)
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kelper self determination, both individual and collective, only goes so far before you infringe the rights of Argentineans and the public interest of Argentina, you know (see the UN Charter ;-)
Better ?
@73
Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bitter?
72 Doveoverdover (#)
Sep 07th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 07th, 2012 - 03:14 pm
Wrong, the Public Interest referred to in the FI Constitution is the Public Interest of the Falkland Islands!!!!!!
(74) Bitter….? Moi...? Not at all!
Sep 07th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Overtly amused seeing Mr. Kelper and Mrs. Kelperette trying to wiggle, worm and waggle out from the incontrovertible fact that they are just one mere of Her Majesty's BOT's…….. a new British word for Colonies.
A pity that I'm not into impersonations…
If I was……… I surely would have created you;-)
Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands in 1832, and 1982. This is why we have to keep ties with our mother Country, for protection, you are nothing but a bunch of bullies. Well you try but with Britains help you seem to be cowards and run away with you tail between your legs. If your so big why are you still over there and we are here? One day you will regret playing about with us because when we get rich, you might find things reverse a bit, so don't wish for us to belong to you!
Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 072 Doveoverdover
Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The constitution is also a piece of Falkland Islands legislation, and in that case it clearly refers to our Public Interest as well.
I wouldn't worry about that. If we decided to declare independence, I think we'd probably give that its own piece of legislation.
The referendum question has not been decided. It is being debated within the islands and we'll let you know in due course.
My personal view is that I hope someone with some sense discourages our MLAs from including anything about 'self determination' in the question.
I'd like to see something about independence in there as well, mainly so I could imagine both you and Think looking like you were chewing on a lemon.
(78) Monty96
Sep 07th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“72 Doveoverdover .......
The referendum question has not been decided. It is being debated within the Islands and we'll let you know in due course.”
I say:
As much as I would like to see Mr DoD chewing on a lemon; chances are that it will be his kind letting you, squatters, know about the “Question” in due course......
Dumb and Dumber is at it again I see. A guy goes travelling for a day and a bit and the whole thread turns to a pile of garbage.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way Dumber, Falkland Islanders all know why we're referred to as Bennies and Stills. But you see, we got to a Crossroads of our own about 15 years ago and these days we laugh at the name and call ourselves Bennies for a bit of a laugh. I think it's a real sign of maturity in a country when its people can be laughed at.
I think as the smell of oil gets stronger we're starting to smile even more.
Chuckle chuckle
@78 There you go again with an assertion that flies in the face of the published evidence. I'm not sure how much clearer the Constitution and the FIG website can be. The Constitution is UK legislation. It authorises, guides and constrains local decision making organisations and processes (Ordinances).
Sep 07th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for independence, I will look out for the day when a candidate stands for election to the Assembly on an Independence platform and will watch with interest to see the hustings reports and the result. I hope I live that long.
For what it's worth (not much I hear you say) I think the Referendum is a mistake. Get the question and the franchise wrong and the result will be worth than useless. Get it right and it will have little or no effect on the decision makers anyway.
:) Chuckle chuckle.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I've had two new experiences today. Both due to the sound of oil arriving soon at a Falkland Islands near you! Ha ha.. Arrived in a country I've not been in before in South America and when I opened my emails a while ago there was one in my inbox asking me something that I've never been asked before.
Oil oil beautiful oil.
Chuckle chuckle.
@82 Think and I are both heavily interested in FI oil shares trading on the UK Stock Exchange (for different reasons). I share your joy. For my part I am very grateful for the reassurance that we will be benefiting as soon as October 2012. I'll hang on to those B&S, RKH, DES, ARG and FOGL shares a bit longer now you have reassured me so convincingly.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're clearly a great bloke,a bit lacking in comedic originality and dress sense perhaps, but clever for a Benny, far traveled, well read and no doubt have great influence on the islands. Could I therefore ask that wherever possible you push contract work to UK companies and, in particular, to FIC? It's all in the public interest you know.
Lock your door and slide the chest of drawers in front of it and you should wake up safe tomorrow to seal that deal.
81 Doveoverdover
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see. You think that UK law and FI law are the same thing. They aren't. I know that the constitution is UK law. It was also gazetted into FI law. FI Ordinances are not 'processes'; they are laws.
:)
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@84 No you don't see because I don't think that since one is subordinate to the other and I know which one.
Sep 07th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll tell you what though. Why not get the FIG webmaster to change the content of the misleading section so that it accurately reflects what you continue to assert so that the rest of us stakeholders can be brought into the light? (see http://www.lawreports.com/falkland.htm but prepare to be annoyed by what you read).
86 Doveoverdover
Sep 07th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I looked at that link; it doesn't say anything, except that you can buy a copy of the laws of the Falkland Islands, published by FIG, for a thousand and odd pounds. I knew that already.
I don't have a copy, beacuse I mainly work with only two ordinances, which are separate from and completely different to any law in the UK covering similar areas.
I'll tell you what though, I bet all those lawyers in the AGs chambers busily drafting new laws to ready us for the oil industry would appreciate it if you told them they were wasting their time.
To be fair,
Sep 07th, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the British government and the island representatives decide,
Is between them, and nothing what so ever to do with a foreign country like argentina..
Unless that foreign country has an ulterior motive perhaps ..
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86 Doveoverdover
Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not a stakeholder. Well I suppose you're a shareholder so you're a kind of stakeholder.
I'm sensing the cold fingers of fear creeping down your spine as you realise that the future of your investment really is in the hands of the ignorant Bens. Never mind. It'll be ok, you'll see.
(83) Doveoverdover.....
Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say (about squatter Joe Bloggs):
“You're clearly a great bloke,a bit lacking in comedic originality and dress sense perhaps, but clever for a Benny....”
I say:
You, of all men, using the “B” word !
Are we getting a bit irritated by the doublespeak of those insubordinate Kelper rebels, perhaps?
( 87) Monty69 .......
You say (to Mr. Doveoverdover):
”I looked at that link; (http://www.lawreports.com/falkland.htm) it doesn't say anything.........“
I say:
I ”Think“ Mr. Doveoverdover was referring to following idiomatic pearl:
”This is not only a vital major publishing project for the Falkland Islands but it is also the first BRITISH COLONIAL LAW revision to incorporate comprehensive details of all local and UK legislation applicable to the COLONY......”
Chuckle©
@87 and @89 (thanks “Briton” for allowing a double tap) Would that be the office of the British appointed Attorney General (ex-officio i.e. non democratically elected member of LA and Exco) drawing heavily on UK North Sea legislation? He and they are not wasting their time nor are those sent to help SL stay on the straight and narrow either. They are insulation against the cold fingers of fear. It's the sticky fingers of greed we all have to watch out for, isn't it JB?
Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0No time now for a lecture on Project Management or Business Administration but suffice to say there is a possibility that you may not be right when you write that fellow Brits like me are not stakeholders in the development of the Falkland Islands.
@90
@80 rather made it not just fair game but actually humourous and a sign of maturity to use that once derogative description. See also @89.
And thank you for pointing out what I took to be obvious but clearly wasn't obvious enough. Colony with a Big C on a Government linked website indeed.
Would a resident (with or without FI status) please contact Mr/Ms Steen asap?
Inquiries from residents of the Falkland Islands should be addressed to HM Attorney General, Attorney General's Chambers, P.O. Box 587, Stanley (Telephone +500 27273 Fax +500 27276 Email bsteen@sec.gov.fk).
(91) Doveroverdover
Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Congrats; you finally found a function for Briton!…. “Double Tap Allower” .......
2) JB..............??? JB!.........!!! Are you sure.........???
3) I wouldn’t trust Mr. Joe Bloggs light assessment about the true significance of the “B” word on them Islands…..
Just have a look at his two last asseverations:
A) Mr. Doveoverdover and Mr. Think are the same person…..
B) The Malvinas constitution was written in Malvinas by Malvineros.
4) Speaking about Mr. Joe Bloggs…….........
After many seconds of febrile and painstaking search on the internet, I finally found about his secret plan of how to get a lot of oil by October…..
http://joebloggstimes.co.uk/the-news/falkland-islands-claims-sovereignty-over-argentina/500759
Chuckle chuckle©
@92 Chief Squatting Turnip(Think).
Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0l doubt very much that JB said anything about that mythical place “malvinas”(where is it?, l cannot find it on any decent map?) or its mythical inhabitants(“malvineros”-what are they?).
Of course, how unperceptive of me, you mean the Falklands, don't you chiefy?
You really must keep up to date, although they've always been the Falklands as you well know.
FYI, briton makes more sense than you ever did.
@81 Doveoverdover,
lts immaterial what you think of our Referendum.
We want it & thats all that matters.
(93) Cher Isolde
Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our Referendum?
Who says so?
A young, half Russian Memsahib from New Guinea, educated in the Australian outback?
OUR Referendum, Cher Think.
Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0And don't you forget it.
(wasn't the outback, small country town in rich dairy country).
Think, do enlighten me as to all these islanders who try to dodge admitting we are a B.O.T.?
Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course we are - and with the power deciding shift from the old colonial system that has happened over the last 20-25 years that is why as a BOT we are no longer a Br Colony- quite simple, trouble is it is impossible for an old fashioned colonial ambition Govt such as Argenina,s to understand that the world has moved on from those days.
It is and will be OUR eferendum - called for by the people of the Islands and organised and run by them with advice from and run to international open standards.
Got a problem with that?
91 Doveoverdover
Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''It's the sticky fingers of greed we all have to watch out for, ''
I completely agree with that. However, the performance of your shares is all you need to worry about; I understand that the royalties and taxes payable to FIG are set at a favourable rate (by the Falkland Islands Government) to encourage investment.
I hadn't even noticed the offending word 'colony'. It's very kind of you to be so sensitive on our behalf, but there really is no need. We know what we are and where we've come from, and we have a pretty good idea where we're going.
@97
Sep 08th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we have a pretty good idea where we're going”.
And that direction is not towards being a colony of Argentina.
@98 Common ground at last. No one, not even an Argentinian, could possibly disagree with that statement. Interpretation of it; well that's a different thing altogether.
Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then, I can see that no one's interpretation but those that constitute the “We” of @96 and @97 matters, and that's well known to them. Makes one wonder why go to the trouble and expense of holding a referendum at all unless, of course, other people's opinion do matter. So long as they agree with “We” for whom @96 and 97 are the(self nominated?) spokespersons in this forum.
(95) Isolde
Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anything west from Invercargill is the outback, dear..............
(96) Islander1
I usually don’t grass, fink or squeal on people…… but you are my mate….
IT WAS MONTY96 and JOE BLOGGS…YESSS.....; YESSSSSS………..
IT WAS THEM!!! THEEEEEM!!!
(97) Monty96
Right!........... We know what you are and where you've come from, and we have a pretty good idea where you're going.
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93 lsolde
Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYI, Briton makes more sense than you ever did
Briton.
Thank you both, it’s nice to be helpful,
And a promotion by the turnip in chief,
Lol..
Still,
What would life in the south Atlantic be,
Without the charm and charisma of the British,
Just another dictators paradise we suppose ..
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99 Doveoverdover
Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't told youwhat my opinion is of anything much. Have I? Far less have I presumed to speak for anyone else, except in the most general terms.
Mostly I have confined myself to the facts as I believe them to be true.
It would actually be much easier all round if you just came out and said what you really think. You've tied yourself in so many knots that I can't understand what you're saying any more.
Why don't you tell us why you are so interested in the Falklands constitutional arrangements, and why you think you need to have a view about whether they change or not? As I see it, it can make no possible difference toyou.
TWIMC
Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the smell of riches, some peoples eternal gratitude evaporates as quick as morning dew.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTe_VYH-24
@104 “We” had noticed that your English Comprehension skills fall short of that expected of a 7 year old. Objectively, within the context of a public exchange on the subject of self determination, you failed to even notice a reference to the Falklands being a Colony in a quasi-official document. This despite having been given a clear steer with the link. I think it's your understanding that's tied in knots, which should give your employer cause for concern if they really are paying you to work with local Ordinances..
Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for my interest and the impact of change on my personal wealth now and in the future, I refer the Honourable lady to the answers I gave earlier. For further clarification I invite her to consult a work colleague. In person would be best. Perhaps someone from UK on a work permit and further up the hierarchy who can explain it all to her in simple language and with pictures if necessary.
#11 Its a great idea that people in the UK have been campaigning for for years; if it also helps keep her majesty Cristina in power, thats all good for the country too =)
Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@100 Think,
Sep 09th, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf you go far enough, you in Chubut are west of lnvercargill.
Whats lnvercargill got to do with all this?
Getting windy because of the Referendum are we dear Think.
ln a way, you have my sympathy.
When this is all over & the world sees Argentina's shennanigans for what they really are, you won't have a cause.
Please don't slide into obscurity, there must be a noble cause somewhere for you dear Chief Squatting Turnip.
Perhaps you could champion the rights of the dispossessed lndian peoples of South America.
Yes that would test your mettle.
Lets see you take on the Brazilian establishment, fighting for the rights of the Amazon lndians. Peace♥
@106 Doveoverdover,
NAAAAAAAAAASTY!
106 Doveoverdover
Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(106) Doveoverdover
Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see that your RNRM straightforwardness has left Monty96 speechless ;-)))
@110 If only it were always that easy with the gentler sex, bless them.
Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you were wondering why my usual sound sleep was interrupted enough to fire one off (my delayed post wasn't, be assured, caused by my staying up into the early hours thinking of something “nasty” to write). Gibson had a bad tummy and cried to go out into the garden. I'm sure you'll get the connection.
(111) Doveoverdover
Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Testosterone levels are much higher during the wee hours, you know....
A fact more than evident at your post No.: (106)…
I almost feel sorry for Kelperette Monty96…
Almost ….;-)
112 Think
Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't feel sorry for me pal. That 'uppity colonials' speech from Colonel Blimp is more or less what I was after. I was hoping he would call us 'ungrateful' again as well.
Sometimes when I cut and paste something and press enter to change line, my computer randomly decides to post instead. Happily I know someone on a work permit who can help me out so it doesn't happen again.
(113) Monty69
Sep 09th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said ”almost”…
I know it takes some more to put a Patagonian lass down…
But you snapped after air…..
Anyhow…
Me: El Think
He: Colonel Blimp……..
Does it mean that you have changed opinion since your post (55)?
Who will ever understand the gentler sex?
Bless them …..
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address....
Sep 10th, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Churchill's Battle of Britain Speech....
Colonel Blimp (who?)'s Ungrateful Uppity Colonial Speech (where?)
When CFK and her immortals fall.
Sep 10th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The chief tulips, will gracefully withdraw,
And find a new leader to support,
Libya or north Korea perhaps .
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