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Spain announces plant to regulate fishing and bunkering in Gibraltar waters

Saturday, September 8th 2012 - 06:35 UTC
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Spain’s Foreign Minister issued a clear threat to Gibraltar in the latest salvo of words in the fishing dispute. Jose Manuel García-Margallo said Gibraltar’s stance in the row would lead to repercussions in other areas affecting the Rock. Read full article

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  • Lord Ton

    Spain announces a lot of things - what it is actually capable of doing however !!

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    No more Spanish holidays ?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Would have thought the Spanish fishermen plunder more fish from UK waters than they extract from the waters around Gibraltar.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mcarling

    Spain's attempts to colonize Gibraltar are indefensible in the 21st century.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    “Spain would soon seek to regulate certain activities inside its EU-approved nature protection site in Gibraltar waters”.

    This will mean that Spain will fix in their legislation the amount of fish taken by Spanish and Gibraltese vessels, and the extent of Gibraltese fishing, in Gibralter's own territorial waters.

    One wonders why the EU (and the ICJ) allows such obvious politico-economic game-playing.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Well if spain what to send their ships into gibralters territorial waters to escort its fishermen illegal fishing in gibralters territorial waters, then the simple solution is to have a Royal Navy ship patroling the area of the illegal Nature site set up by spain inside of gibralters territorial waters. And any spanish military or Patrol vessel escorting fishing ships should be sunk and the fishing ships escorted to gibralters port, the fisher men arrested and their ships sold for scrap.

    Its about time the UK grew a backbone and made it clear to spain that such incursions an violations of gibralters waters would be seen as an hostile act of war. Same should apply to Argentina too. These countries think they can just walk over us to get their own way, well at some point we will say enough is enough, now its time teach them a lesson. Spain is broke, so could not afford a war with the UK anyway, and the EU can go to hell as its their approval of the nature site thats given Spain the backbone to do this, the EU fails to realise that gibralter is itself a EU member state.

    The EU has no right to tell one member state that their territorial waters belong to another, as that clearly goes against international law.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-32-uk

    @2 Agreed. If a Gibraltan minister was to write an article recommending the British public avoid going on holiday in Spain, while the Spanish Govt. were abusing one of Britain's overseas territories, attitudes would soon change.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Hmm I can see O2 Telefonica taking a dive in the UK shortly.

    Santander Bank is another pile of steaming hot crap.

    And as for Heathrow Airport!!!!?

    Any other vulnerable Spanish shit that we should know about?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • thorpeman

    Will Spain be handing over the Canary Islands to West African countries any time soon? Its time serious Navy Ships were deployed to arrest illegal shipping in Gibraltar waters

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brucey-babe

    What is it with Hispanic nations and their bullying (both sides of the pond ) have they not heard the inquisition is over . Or is it ?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    Gibraltar is not a country! It was snatched from Spain by pirates. The Llanitos are ethnically Spanish and their native tongue is Spanish. I hope the EU can one day intervene to return it to the Spanish people. Re the Canaries, yes they were colonised by Spain but which country is claiming that territory? How would we feel if Dover were a French enclave? It would be a thorn in our side, surely.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    11
    Who are you to say that Gibraltar isn't a Country.
    What forces are you able to put in the field to back up your ridiculous statement. At the end of the day might is right ..... you ain't right and you don't have might...so... stfu.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @11
    How would we feel if Dover were a French enclave? It would be a thorn in our side, surely.

    Or Melilla and Ceuta in Morocco's,surely

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malicious bloke

    I wonder how much they would cry if we decided not to take part next time they decide they need another 100 billion bailout from the EU?

    Let spain sink or let the French and Germans look after their own pet currency.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    I knew intuitively that this would be the reaction of the inurbane, probably subscribers of the “Sun” newspaper. You are probably monoglots and evidently not erudite judging by the comments. I am simply expressing my opinion. I have friends who are llanitos and I can assure you that they all speak Spanish as their native tongue and are, in essence, of Andalusian, Iberian or Moorish descent.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @15 Care to explain to this “Sun reader” why the enclaves of Melilla and Ceuta are any dIfferent to Gibralter

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Like Malvinas, you stole it now you have to return it.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

    Please support this page - Falkland Islands Desire The Right - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - https://www.facebook.com/Britain1592

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    I imagine you are not very literate owing to your orthographical error: GibraltAr, not GibraltEr! It is “Tariq´s mountain” not “TEriq´s”! With regard to a simplistic history of Ceuta and Melilla consult: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
    I also imagine you have no idea as to the origin of Albion, St. George, the English people...

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @20
    Thanks for the spelling lesson, but why shouldnt Spain give up Melilla and Ceuta in your own words?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Furry-Fat-Feck

    @20 PhilipII (#)
    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:30 pm

    From your wiki link:http:

    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

    “The formal allegiance of Ceuta to Spain was recognized by the Treaty of Lisbon by which, on January 1, 1668, King Afonso VI of Portugal formally ceded Ceuta to Carlos II of Spain. However, the originally Portuguese flag and coat of arms of Ceuta remained unchanged and the modern-day Ceuta flag features the configuration of the Portuguese shield. The flag's background is also the same as that of the flag of Lisbon.”

    Then from this wiki link:http:

    //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

    “In 1704, during the War of the Spanish Succession, a combined Anglo-Dutch force captured the town of Gibraltar, leading to a permanent exodus of much of the existing population to the surrounding areas of the Campo de Gibraltar. Under the terms of the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht Gibraltar was ceded to Britain in perpetuity. Spain unsuccessfully attempted to regain control in the siege of 1727 and again during the extended Great Siege of Gibraltar, which lasted from 1779 to 1783.”

    It seems to me that Britain gained Gibraltar under very similar circumstances to the way Spain gained Ceuta.

    It also seems to me that the people of Ceuta have decided for themselves that they wish to remain a Spanish enclave in much the same way that the people of Gibraltar have decided for themselves that they wish to maintain their links with Britain and do not wish to be a part of Spain.

    From your perspective, what exactly is the difference?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    So now we know, what Spain and argentina has in common.

    All mouth and no trousers,

    But boy can they both talk the talk,

    Still??

    Its better than thinking the think ?/
    .

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Betelgeuse

    The government of the colony of Gibraltar has chosen to unilaterally terminate a long standing agreement that allowed unimpeded access to Spanish fishermen in the Bay of Algeciras.

    The article neglects to mention the fact that Spain has never recognised UK sovereignty over the Bay of Algeciras. As a consequence of the actions taken by the Gibraltar colonists, Spain has signalled that it will now step up its efforts to regulate fishing, bunkering and other activities in its EU-approved nature site in the Bay of Algeciras.

    If the Gibraltar colonists have a problem with Spain’s actions then they should encourage their British over-lords to honour their commitments under the Brussels Process and finally heed the UN General Assembly resolutions and enter into discussions with Spain over the decolonisation of Gibraltar.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Looks like Cameron can't just stonewall and act like as bad a neighbour as he can after all...

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Garcia-Margallo

    And the retaliation measures toward Argentina that have been announced by you Mr. Margallo?

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @24....25...26 ..etc....what has any of this got to do with argentinian colonists???

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @24 You're a funny child. Are all latinos afflicted with history revisionism syndrome? The Government of Gibraltar has, correctly, decided to apply its laws to its territorial waters. Spain likes to quote that the Treaty of Utrecht makes no mention of Gibraltar territorial waters. The Treaty doesn't mention Spanish territorial waters either! In accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, a median line was drawn through the Bay. That's LEGAL! The “Brussels process” is OVER!! Never to be resumed. Spain needs to get into the 20th century. We know it isn't capable of making it to the 21st. Gibraltar is beefing up its maritime defences. Let's see a Spanish fisherman continuing to fish ILLEGALLY as an RGP launch runs high-speed circles around it! Interference by the paramilitary Guardia Civil thugs and out comes the Royal Navy. Time for target practice!!! In the meantime, Spain is going down the economic tubes. But Britain isn't!!!! The OLD fishing agreement is OVER. There is no room for Spanish criminals to overfish Gibraltar waters as they have done everywhere else they've been. Get used to it!!

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    Nº28 Can´t any of you articulate without tones of xenophobia? In reference to the 21st century you can´t say we British are the most modern of countries, harping back to the old ways and still using the European duodecimal avoirdupois system! By the way, Britain may not be in the same economic situation, thank God, but you can hardly say that everything is rosy here with the Bank of England pumping thousands of millions into the economy. It isn´t real money. Germany is not in recession like many other countries.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    @29

    Your posts wouldn't look out of place in Private Eye's “Psueds Corner”.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    The British will enforce sovereignty over BGTW, if and when necessary.

    It remains to be seen if the Spanish have yet to learn this the hard way, or not.

    In the EU, blockades and threats are strongly disapproved of. Not to mention the legal avenues available to the Gib gov in the forms of the EU parliament and ECHR. Added to Spain being one step behind Greece in need of EU help, help the British could delay.

    Difficult to see any up side of this for the Spanish, outside of Spain. An exercise in “opiate for the masses”, even where it works against you in the outside world.

    Having not long returned from Marbella (in sight of Gibraltar), I can tell you things are not booming there, and anything which would negatively affect British tourist business would not be welcomed. A German woman told me (in excellent English) if you want to learn English come to southern Spain.

    If it continues this will end badly for Spain.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    ¨the latest threats from Spain are totally unacceptable between democratic partners in the EU”

    Well you troll if you are a member of the EU as you say you are ACCEPT THAT SPAIN HAS BEEN GIVEN THE APPROVAL OF LOOKING AFTER NATURE SITES IN SOUTHERN EUROPE WHICH INCLUDES
    GIBRALTAR BY THE EU.
    Good for Spain to get tough on these morons on the rock which I think the apes have more common sense than Picardo and his cronies. Stop messing around with a nation that is in no mood for bullshit from the rock. Spain does not recognise British waters so don´t push too much as you might get a bloody nose.
    WELL DONE SPAIN!! DEFEND WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN YOURS.....tO THE LAST DROP OF SPANISH BLOOD.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    More empty threats by Spain.

    As ever Spain will look tough until it meets the Royal Navy (like last time and many times before) and goes running back to its ports.

    If Spain wishes to pick on the people of Gibraltar the same thing will happen as to that has happened to Argentina who have tried and failed to pick on the people of the Falkland Island's it will meet the British armed forces and if it doesn't relent then we know what will happen to those aggressors.

    Get a bloody nose sunshine? LOL! Spain's military is no match for the British military....You mindless troll.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    32
    You'd better start building another Armada for us to sink then. Oh I forgot you don't have any dosh and are on your knees, begging the rest of Europe for a handout. Have you no shame?

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    I wonder why some countries go with double standard.....
    If I have some overseas territories how can I claim against other for the same...??
    Spain have Ceuta & Melilla (gave to Spain by the Lisbon King but the city is on Morocco lands as well as Melilla) and Canary Is. (is on African waters far away from Madrid) and Baleares Is. on Mediterranean waters far away too (it could be and independent country), apart from the inland territories that are caliming their independence as the Basque country and Cataluña....
    So....Is Spain allowed to bulling others about colonialism...???
    Near to us.....Argentina have an island inside Uruguayan waters , so is Argentina allowed to bully another country about colonialism...??
    France have a South American mainland territory apart from some others all around the Pacific & Atlantic waters.....who has claimed against its colonialism...
    The USA have a lot of Pacific rocks under their flag and an very strange arrangement with Puerto Rico.....any claims, again....???
    Portugal have some Atlantic Is. far away from it s mainland......and any calim...??
    Chile has an overseas territory too in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, are we colonialist too...??
    So.....why some “special” territories are the ones to be claimed outload.....???
    Internal political reason are the answer.....when a state has internal turbulences that put their Gvts. under excesive pressure, they counterattack looking for the nationalism to divert the criticism from the people to their management. Normally those efforts don´t bring good results and the internal situation goes worse...
    In short, thats claims are salva shoots to distract the attention from the main issues.....internal crisis.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #36 “Argentina have an island inside Uruguayan waters”

    Wellif they're not claiming the waters, its not the same...

    “The USA have a lot of Pacific rocks under their flag and an very strange arrangement with Puerto Rico.....any claims, again”

    Yes, some for statehood and some for independence in Puerto Rico. One or the other is necessary for decolonisation

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    #37
    'Statehood' as in Alaska or Hawaii?
    'Independence' for Puerto Rico? ... by the stroke of the pen it becomes 'de-colonised'. “The umbilicus must be cut!”

    I tend to agree with you, B_K, de-con. doesn't actually mean de-pop., just a change of terminology.

    [And speaking on behalf of Think (on holiday):
    ... “I agree also”. Chuck, chuck.]

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    *34 God all mighty what a troll you are!!!
    Spain has two aircraft carriers while the Brits have to borrow the French carrier( that´s if the French let it to you!! LOL) besides all Spain has to close the gates on Gibraltar and box in the population and then they can cry “mama”......

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Spain has two mini carriers.

    But will se see this mighty pair hovering menacingly over Gibraltar.

    We think not..

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 39 aussie sunshine
    They have tried that a few time in the past, always to no avail. Difficult to see how it will succeed in the EU today.

    This is not an argument Spain can win on any level. However it is one they can end up paying a price for.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @39 Argie Sunshine

    The Royal Navy has two aircraft carriers - HMS Illustrious and HMS Invincible both around 20,000 tons both able to carry Apache assault helicopters.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    HMS Invincible is no more,

    but we have HMS Ocean,

    besides,
    spain may be many things, but she aint stupid,

    besides, hers may be needed to send to Argentina.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Yes, my mistake, I had meant to say the big 'O'. Cheers.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PhilipII

    Brit Bob the carriers are 20 000 tonnes. The “ton” was disused in the early 1970s. Sorry to be pedantic but it is important to note.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @29 Poor child. You're broke. We're not. Story ends with your demise. “Tones of xenophobia”? No problem. You attack (by whatever means), we kill. No real problem!
    @33 Small problem. Spain had no right to designate an area within BGTW. Spain may have to be destroyed. But I do agree that Spain should fight to the last drop of Spanish blood. The very last drop. Kill them all!
    @39 “Spain has two aircraft carriers.” And on the same basis, Britain has FOUR.
    @45 Actually, 22,000 tonnes. Ever tried research?
    R-11 Principe de Asturias class. 17,188 Tons.
    1 LHD / multi-purpose warship and aircraft carrier L-61 Juan Carlos I class. 27,079 Tons.
    Targets! Want to try again?

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    what a useless conversation..really!!
    here we are discussing a military conflict that will never happen because if it does we all are f*******. so let´s get back to reality and stop talking bull crap!!

    *43 “ hers may be needed to send to Argentina” LOL good one!!

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Argentinean Army partnering with Spanish Army to trash UK in own soil...
    News coming soon...

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    briton (#40)
    “Spain has two mini carriers. But will we see this mighty pair hovering menacingly over Gibraltar.”

    I think not. Even mini-carriers weigh too much.

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    49 GeoffWard2
    Probably right..

    /////////////////////////////////
    The Spanish and argie armies are more likely to engage each other,
    Rather than be friends and allies,

    Still..
    Would you give an argie,
    Your last fish finger .lol.

    .

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Ah Aussie our favourite Argentinian.

    If you think two mini aircraft carriers can win a war you are either truly deluded or just plain stupid or maybe in your case both?

    Either way Spain's military is no match for the might of the British Military, anyone with an IQ of over 55 would realise that.

    And if that wasn't enough that the British military can smash the Spanish military, Spain is in a time of desperate need and the UK is going to be one of the key contributors to the Spanish bailout that is obviously coming.

    However if you wish to dream on some more, carry on, just don't expect anyone to believe your warped perception of reality.....

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    but the spannish did spawn the argies,
    [sadly]

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    Let's see, Spain are being bailed out by the EC, so any potential interruption to the bailout funds arriving would be tremendously detrimental. The UK has the ability to slow things up for them.

    One of the main sources of income for Spain is tourism. In a matter of minutes the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office could add Spain to it's “don't go to” list. Most travel insurance companies would rather fork out for a replacement holiday than take a punt on insuring trips to places on the list. The loss of income to an already downturned Spanish economy would be noticable.

    Incidentally, the two Spanish aircraft carriers?
    It looks like the one that is actually an aircraft carrier, rather than an amphibious assault ship might well be being mothballed, along with two of their GP frigates...

    Sep 13th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Betelgeuse

    Have a look at what an influential Gibraltar colonist thinks about the likelihood of UK support for Gibraltar in their current self-inflected dispute with Spain:

    http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/headlines.php?action=view_article&article=9279&offset=0

    You apologists for the UK might need to be a little more circumspect with your outrageous claims about the UK in the future.

    Sep 14th, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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