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A front to counter Argentine presidential re-re-election attempts begins to take shape
Argentine main opposition groups, parties and unions, have been rallying in an attempt to counter the alleged intentions of the Cristina Fernandez administration to sponsor a constitutional reform that would enable her to bid for a third consecutive presidential mandate in 2015. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI don't see how the Argentinians would re-elect CFK. They might like her but things aren't marvelous in Argentina at all these days.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0She'll go out saying she knows they all want her to be president again, and it was a deep honour, but her deep respect for the constitution prevents her from running again.
But, she'll really be going because by 2015 nobody will want her anymore.
Where can I sign a counter petition that demands she is re-re-elected? I'm not entirely sure that by 2015 she will have permanently damaged the economy enough so that it can't be undone within a generation.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will miss CFK when she's gone. Reading about her latest antics has reminded me of my childhood and all those wonderful cartoons we used to watch.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0AT her best
Sep 12th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1VFIyhQbA&feature=player_embedded
Dissapointed in Binner I must say, he really should be working with Cristina in a transversal project rather than co-ordinating with the right of the Peronist movement against her! Will have to see what Think thinks when he gets back... I imagine this campaign could have the opposite of the intended effect and galvanise Cristina and her supporters into a more determined campaign for a third term...
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does Thicko have to do your thinking for you??
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0He does Frank because BK has never been to the Land of Oz to knw what it is really like so he depends on others to provide him with fairy tales.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0A story for BK/2012 et al to mull over once they crawl out of bed:
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/3866797/Real-life-Mowgli-kept-alive-by-cats.html
Lol at BK and El Thickpoo.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Together can't make one. :p
A little off topic but surprisingly there aren't any Arg Economic articles today only Political scandals.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I just wanted to let everyone know this is quite a week (or 10 days) CFK has coming up. IMF will probably censure Arg which will limit any further U$ from WB IDB and Paris Club will demand a repayment schedule. I guess 10 years of no payments is quite enough.
Funny little blub today in Lanacion, finally someone is saying out loud that BCRA is out of funds. As I have mentioned many times the fantasy u$45B they claim to have in “reserves” has been mostly replaced by illiquid Arg bonds that CFK has no intention of ever repaying.
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@ BK #5
Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would CFK be re-elected again? I am curious why you think this?
I asked this once before.
What do you think have been some of President Kirchner's positive achievements in Argentina? Given the over-abundance of CFK criticism in these forums, you should defend her achievements.
What do you consider have been positive actions by Kirchner for the good of Argentina?
Hopefully somebody can explain this for me...?
Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why have a constitution that says you can only serve two terms, if you can then easily amend it to allow you to serve three terms (or more)?
Surely the point of the constitution is to prevent abuse of power by limiting the number of terms that can be served by any one individual.... and surely extending the number of those terms is (to me) clearly contradictory to the entire purpose of the (existing) constitution?
So if a constitution can so easily be re-written, what's the point of it in the first place?
A constitution should be the bedrock of the society and be something exceptionally difficult to revise, the news here makes it sound more of a fait-accompli than a difficult task.
No third term = Pissy-Chrissy-Hissy.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. British_Kirchnerist is “dissapointed” because there are people in Argentina that prefers to respect the law and the National Constitution instead of dreaming with fascist concept of having the “choosen” ruling the country for ever !!!
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite sad taking into account that the Argentine National Constitution was the seventh constitution officially recognized and agreed in the World, the second in the Americas and the first in Latin America.
Instead of being proud of it, respect it and defend it the Peronist Party has always wanted to change it to have the “leader” perpetuated in power. 100% fascist !!!!
Anbar that's an very good point. The constitution of any country should take a very long time to write and even a longer, arduous process to amend. While I am not suggesting that it be like the USA, it is quite a process.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 02/3's of congress need to approve a bill then forward it to ther Senate
2/3 of the senates has to approve and then send it to the president
(or a constitutional convention)
If the president signs it, it is forwarded to all 50 governors to have elections....that can take years of debates. And then 3/4 of the states must ratify the constituition amendment.
It sjould not be something so easily completed in a matter of months. It is not like any other law on the books.
11 - One positive action. He left early, before his term was up.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 jerry
Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry, I wasn't clear.
I asked British Kirchnerist to specify Christina Kirchner's positive actions for the good of Argentina.
Which good things has CFK done to warrant her being re-elected. To have the constitution changed to be re-elected, she must have a long list of achievements and listing one or two of those achievments should be easy.
I am very curious to hear these. It would important for all of us here to know what they are. Please BK, could you answer.
Hugo Chav's springs to mind!!
Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would reform the Constitution, only to remove all possibility of re-election. And as Pino Solanas said last night, a wife can't succeed a husband, or vice-versa.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Porteno go to the protest tomorrow if you are in Buenos AIres Santa Fe and Callao
Sep 12th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 bushpilot (#)
Sep 12th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:32 pm
As BK will not answer you, I'll try:
1) She and Nestor have ruined the economy.
2) She has turned the country into a pariah state.
3) She has riled all our neighbouring countries.
4) She and Timerman have turned us into a global laughing stock.
5) Since her husband came to power, the familly fortune has increased 1000%.
6) She has destroyed the beef production.
7) She has destroyed fruit production.
8) She is in the midst of destroying grain and oil seed production.
I guess that is enough to be going on with, as you can see the Argentine people really need to re-reelect this parasite!!!!!
Despite all you say Simon, what makes you think she will not get re-elected?
Sep 12th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 ------- did you remember all of these which are ;
Sep 12th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in the last 10 years on
Diminish foreign debts,
Argentina leads to morè works to morè production,
had an effective respoñse to Global crisis,
unemloyment fall to ~ 7 % around,
BCRA rèserves up,
éntered to G20,
investments %6 of GDP,for Education.,
repeal of Federal Law of Education,
enacted of National education Law publicly,freely,
1050 new school built throughout the country,
no land foreclosures from the year 2003,
Manufacturers origin exporting exceeds the Agro origin exportings,
Magellan Straight gas pipeline +.... many roads.,
Biofuel ,construction began at Northeast Argentina.......
125 % increase on pénsion to veterañs of the Malvinas War,
you should remember them if you are really Argentine! aren't you ?
I can't get past the foreign debt.......I think I broke a rib from laughing so hard that defaults are now considered retiring debt !!!
Sep 12th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Sep 12th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has become the top protectionist country in the World, has more international trade disputes running than any othe rcountry; has a currency that is sinking fast and will have to be devalued as Argentina is regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders. Has out of control inflation and its politicians are regarded internationally, as a joke.
@ TipsyThink....what? In what country do you live in?
Sep 12th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Diminish foreign debts? Increasing national debt in more than U$D 25K million...another U$D 10K with Repsol under dispute.
Argentina leads to morè works to morè production, had an effective respoñse to Global crisis? unemloyment fall to ~ 7 % around?
In Argentina any person doing a paid activity is an employed person (no mather the conditions or if the employer doesn't respect any law) Informal job rate is 40% in poor provinces such as Corrientes. Even subsidized pleople are “employed” by the Government.
BCRA rèserves up? the REAL reserves are rounding U$D 8,000 million. U$D 46K million is a fantasy (includes bonds and private deposites).
éntered to G20? Argentina has already entered G20..soon going to be expelled
Investments %6 of GDP,for Education? repeal of Federal Law of Education? Since Menem all schools are under each province responsibility and budget. The last test ranked the Argentine education at the very same levcel of the Bolivian one (ranked in the 10 th position in SA ).
Manufacturers origin exporting exceeds the Agro origin exportings. All of them are paying infomal taxes since the government recognices a dolar at a rate of 4.60 pesos and they are paid in pesos. Dolars belong to CFK
many roads? Have you been travelling mutch by car? I don't think so......
125 % increase on pénsion to veterañs of the Malvinas War,.. THIS IS TRUE...the gorvernment gives pensions to any who wants one. No matter what he/she does or did? Thieves and convicts. Even foreign newcomers. All paid with the money of the retired people who receive peanuts after working the whole life !!!
TG I'm living in Canada now. I wish the Royal Navy would shot a couple of misiles to CFK and free my Country and all of my relatives from her !!!!
@21 simon68
Sep 12th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 tipsythink
Thank you for your lists. Tipsy Think your list is exactly what I have asked of British Kirchnerist twice. His or her support for CFK is hollow. Thank you again for posting it. I knew CFK must have done a few things.
@22 Captain Poppy
“what makes you think she will not get re-elected”
I never call these things correctly, but I say CFK goes out with a teary farewell speech about how touched she is by everyone's love for her but in the end she felt the constitution had to be respected because she is such a patriot.
Consider this scenario:
The constitution gets amended, Christina Kirchner runs for a historical third term, and, loses to another candidate. They changed the constitution for nothing. Would you laugh a little?
It would be too embarassing I think. She might not want to risk this kind of final impression of the Kirchner family. There is no way a win would be a certain thing, not with her record. Running would be risky I am thinking.
Considering the above lists of damages vs. accomplishments, no human being, with however a limited intellect, could choose such a leader again. It seems.
I would be “astounded” if such a leader were elected again. Could she cheat to win? Could she buy her way back with big social programs? Hugo can but he has oil reserves even bigger than his mouth.
27. I am not that familiar with the Arg constitution but what would happen if CFK gets a 3rd term and this time makes Maximo her VP then steps down? Is this possible?
Sep 12th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Sep 12th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That could be!
The goal of all this re-election talk might just be to position Máximo for the election. This seems much more feasible.
She'll step down, and they'll say, “but don't worry, there will still be a Kirchner to lead you”. That might attract people. But by 2015 the name Kirchner might not be too attractive at all. Things could change though.
The current constitution (modified by the Peronist government of Carlos Menem) allows amy president to get two running terms of 4 years. After two terms the same person cannot be Vice-President.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The previous constitution allowed Presidents to be elected for just one term of 6 years. After it they were not able to be President or Vice-President.
Tow different Presidents modified the National Constitutions to be re-elected..al of them belonged to the Peronist Party...because they are fascist !!! ..and they believe in “The Leader”..“Il Duce”..“Der Fuhrer”..
I see your POV bushpilot, however they do pay for votes there. The only for certain is that the scenario in argetnina is not getting better and the people there know that as well. Everytime the buy food they see it. When they go to the stores and see empty shelves. and that will only get worst.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Sep 12th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I mean, it was the kind of crisis that took the country's economy to the cliff. President Obama, when I interviewed him for the book, said they were days away from having $5 billion in the U.S. Treasury. That's it. Now, that's half a day's federal spending”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/09/12/exposing-price-politics#ixzz26IIgAgQ6
5 billion in the treasury and you claim to be a rich, powerful, nation?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Best part of it is, Bush and Obama were responsible, so it's not just a party issue, is a USA issue.
So Mr, yankeebroke, before you get to glee on talking about other countries supposed banking vaults, I suggest you pray there's anything left in your own.
I hear the economy is tumbling in the USA, as we speak, that in “main street” the people are feeling another recession has begun.
Hope you have more than 5 billion in the treasury hahahahaha... I think Mendoza Province has more than that!!
I looked up the “G-20” on Wikipedia. There was a table of the different members. One column listed amount of international trade in 2011.
Sep 12th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The U.S. and Argentina were together in this table.
The U.S. trade for 2011 was 3.82 trillion dollars.
Argentina's trade in 2011 was 0.15 trillion dollars.
@33
Sep 12th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“0.15” trillion would be 150 billion totall exchange in and out. Makes sense.... divide 3.82 trillion by 10 (to equate Argentina's population), and you get 382 billion. And in PPP terms (not dollar terms which only accounts for international cross purchasing power, not amount of goods and internal wealth), it the difference between 150 and 382 billion completely fits in with the fact that the rough estimate is that that incomes/living standards in the USA are 3 times higher than Argentina.
I think it makes it more ridiculous that a county with 3.82 trillion in trade at one point in the depths of their economic meltdown had 5 billion left. No doubt this was not disclosed because it would have meant the end of the US dollar, so the lied about it.
Bushpilot don't bother with the troll he/she is a la campora testtube baby still nursing mom's tit. His paid role is to divert attention away from the articles that are posted, thinking it changes the situation in argentina. When you respond to him he gets paid. His usual quoted sorces are cables networks, wikipedia and utube. I think he almost voting age 16, so he is not fully developed. He has never been outside in the world to experience anything he's been paid to type here. HE is a product of Fatsimo The Fat Fuck kirchner. The more you respond to him, you get sucked into his vortex. It usually takes him a few days to find something to post. BTW are you American, British or argentine?
Sep 12th, 2012 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It usually takes me days because I unlike the rest of you am not strapped to a toilet with a computer screen.
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, when I'm here the anti-argentine racists shout “you are always here get a life”, when I'm not they shout “you spend days away where have you been out of ideas”.
All that confirms is that I have a fully normal life, and the rest of you are in decaying societies.
Of course Tit
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see you have no erwidern.
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I finally understand why the RGs are increasingly unhinged. Their mood stabilizers are caught in the Aduana!
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Along with Cancer meds, Dental products, HIV meds....etc etc etc
I wonder what another month will bring...
@39
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Being an American, you are the resident expert on “unhinged”. That most American of traits.
Go on, we're listening.
Interesting little bit of the impact on exporters and others on the value of the peso.
Sep 13th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/us-argentina-economy-idUSBRE88B1GD20120912
41. People selling will always demand the highest exchange rate. That is why when CFK devalues it must be above the highest rate available ( $8.4/1 in Brazil currently) otherwise it won't work.
Sep 13th, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is also going to restrict the Provinces ability to issue bonds. Patacones will be issued shortly I bet Cordoba is first...
af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL1E8KBNL620120911?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
Sep 13th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AND
blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2012/07/16/argentina-inflation-linked-peso-bonds-take-a-dive/#axzz26N7X9QEl
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