MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands’ referendum will send strong message to world public opinion
The Falkland Islands don’t expect Argentina to accept the results of the coming referendum, but will show the rest of the world, particularly South and Central America that the Islands are a democracy and have the right to self determination, said Falklands’ lawmakers in an interview with the Mexican newspaper Excelsior. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt appears that all the `agro` is from Christina`s mob whilst the other 90% is quite happy to co-exist with the Falkland Islanders.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it does not matter what you do,
Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or how you do it,
the imature argies will never except it,
they will cry and cry ,complain to the UN and crawl to thew world,
but no one will listen,
poor argentina [and its indocrinoughted bloggers]
intimidated and humiliated by an tiny little island
called the Falklands...........
falklands , you know their the best.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
still,
you bloggers can always intimidate, malvinas, if you can find it lolol.
“Referendum” . The whole world knows, another colonial stunt to keep it's head above water.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No effect here & your RN ships still cannot enter UNASU harbors.
just bacouse you aint a colonial
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cry on others,
sad really you had your chance,
and you chose the spaniards,
and now look at you,
finnished, ...chuckle chuckle
Falklands is a Democratic nation. True, it's ruled by an ugly mob in funny clothes and bad teeth in London and city of London.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(A Republic is ruled by the people, A Democracy is ruled by a mob)
ah the dentist,
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whenever you find bad teath,
you will find a poor dentist .lol.
@3 you obviously have not heard about replenishment at sea, the standing RFA down there holds enough stores, fuel and food to keep a destroyer going for six months without going anywhere near SA, in any case they'd just nip across to South Africa, as for our nuclear sub sitting of BA she won't need anything for a long time................. except a target of course : )
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at those two imported clowns. Smile for the camera Mr. Elsby. SAY CHEEEEESE! The family bask home in LONDON would like to see you smiiiiile.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't he the one that was telling the Argentines to “go to hell” last year? Not very diplomatic of you isn't it? Now you are to people like promoting an election. The world is not keen on listening to people with a filthy attititude. The ways of colonialism.
@ Propaganda
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0INDEC (Argentine Government Agency) inflation steady at 10%
Real Argentine inflation - 25%
CFK has even raised child benefit by 26%.
More proof that all of the lies and propaganda come from Argentina.
8 ProRG_American
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I think people are listening. This was an interview that the MLAs did for a Mexican newspaper, who must have thought that their readers would be interested.
And that's Dr Elsby to you. Show a bit of respect to your betters.
My bleeding heart. Violins playing>
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5. fido dido.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now dentist ? that seems to ring a bell. Wasn`t there a nazi `doctor` famous for his extractions, err, joseph mengele (not worthy of capital letters ) did he not `holiday` in your neck of the woods ?
Its good to see the FILA gettign around South and Central America and being listined to by governments who in the past have only heard one side of the story. It would seem the Argetnines tactics have backfired in dramatic fashion and have sparked genuine intrest in the Americans, a intrest the FILA have been happy to satisfy. Well done FILA. @8 it does not matter where he is from, he was elected by the people of the Islands to represent them. it is exacly the same way that a 3rd/4th generation Spanish/German Imigrant named Christian Fernandez de Kirchner was elected by the people of Argentina to represent them.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe in March 2013 the UN will have no choice but to remove the FI from the lists of the C24 removing any chnace Argentina had (and it was a small one) of using the UN.
Maybe try a different tactic CFK one similar to Menem (Mendez) under who a new era of trust and cooperation was brought in which could of down the line seen some sort of settlement. These of course were torn up by Nestor when he came to power (to order to allow him to use the issue to raise nationilst pride and distract the population whilst he stole and wasted their money trying to make himself the next Peron) and hence returned the entire messy situation right back to square one.
the Argentine government have only themseves to balme for a pointless (as far as the issue of sovernigyt is cocnerend) ineffective childish policy.
BRAVO! Knowing how much Argentina is (not) appreciated in México I am sure these representatives of the Falklands Islands will have met many friendly people whilst in that country.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love how KFC and all those f**king malvinists keep bleating on about how this referendum “doesn't count” and that “it's only” 3,000 Islanders.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't Saddam Hussian say “it's only” Kuwait when he invaded and then began to slaughter innocent women and children?? Did he not say “it's only” the Kurds when he gassed HIS OWN PEOPLE???
Did the Taliban say “it's only” the godless that they punish, when they murder women and whip 8 year old girls?
and now KFC says “It's only” 3,000 Islanders. So when does “it's only” become a human rights abuse? when does “it's only” not be a crime? when can “it's only” be ignored by the world and brushed under the carpet? I think we all remember 1982 when because “it's only” kelpers, it was ok to use post office's as toilets and put hand granades in school children's desk's and imprison the entire population of Goose Green in the village hall.
You have to watch out when people start saying “it's only” They are very dangerous words........
When I read this news and I think, Ok more… “Falk Du Soleil” !!!
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then I get sad cos the English are using the Islanders only for their own benefit and using them for what is going to happened in Scotland.
Is there no “Native” capable to advocate???
For other hand, Mister “EnginnerAbroad” you seem posting from the British Embassy.
Como on, your posts as the same as MP and most of the UK’s Press are more wishes than realities.
Nobody support self determination in Las Malvinas and the UK will definitely have to negotiate with Argentina.
Cheers !!!
16 GastonBaires
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great, that's what this forum needs... Another brainwashed Argentinian who has completely missed the point..........
Cool, I like you too bitch!
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 2
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are millons of argentine citizens like myself not interested in such islands. I repeat, past, present and future argentine presidents have the rights to claim the islands. Is their job.
But, most of the argentine citizens don't have any interest on such islands.
Argentina is anti-british and will remain anti-british. Like it or not!
Viva Argentina!
18 GastonBaires
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meeeoooowwww, a saucer of milk please?
and while you're at it, retard, just think about this will you?
1/ The “British” are not using anyone
2/ There is nowhere called “Las Malvinas” there is only “The Falkland Islands”
3/ “Nobody support self determination in Las Malvinas” Actually the Islanders themselves support self determination and they ARE the only one's who count......
So now, forgive me but I have to illustrate my comment by quoting from “something inside so strong” that will, I hope, explain how the islanders feel about you brainwashed, no hope, Argentinian's :-
The more you refuse to hear my voice
The louder I will sing
You hide behind walls of Jericho
Your lies will come tumbling
Deny my place in time
You squander wealth that's mine
My light will shine so brightly
It will blind you
If you understand the above then please, please, please have the good sense to do the right thing and respect their wishes.
@2012
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is anti-british and will remain anti-british. Like it or not!”
To be honest Sussie, EVERYONE in the UK doesn't give a shit if Argentina likes us or not. However, If it makes you feel better to write your petty, remedial, rhetoric please fill your boots.
You are a joke!
Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 toooldtodieyoung
Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You called me retard and then you write a self-conviction statement of your thoughts and try to take it into account?
Be serious!
Ok, I won’t get offended
I understand your position. Do you get mine or ours?
Well this is an issue that must be solved sooner rather than later for the benefit of all.
Cheers Mate!
'Well this is an issue that must be solved sooner rather than later for the benefit of all. '
Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has been solved: the islanders live with the government they want and the Argentine government has something to distract Argentinians from the fact they're being misgoverned.
Well this was something of non-news. There was never any question that the Argie regime would actually accept the elections as a cure for their Malvinas obsession. The angle was always international but the interesting question will be if it can shame some sanity back into Argentina's LA sheep.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ GastonBaires, 2012, islas M and all the other little monkeys!
Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I still dont see an RG flag flying over the Falklands!!!
Hmmm, what ya gonna do??? Looks like you're all left with Mercopress to vent your frustration! Doomed to linger the pages and posts of Mercopress, and read how the Falklanders canters along happily!
Poetic, isnt it?
@5
Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0”(A Republic is ruled by the people, A Democracy is ruled by a mob)“
A minor lesson in politics. A republic is any state where the head of state is not a hereditary monarch. A democracy is a country where the government is elected by the people. A democratic republic is a country where the head of state AND the government are elected by the people.
Syria is a republic. North Korea is a republic. Venezuela is a republic. Tajikistan is a Republic.
These countries have no legitimate democratic process, yet you think they are all grownup countries with governments who enact the will of the people? If so, your existence explains why Argentine ”democracy” has led to your country's downward spiral since the beginning of the 20th century.
Argentina's argument is a “little” contradictory. They want to be rid of colonies, take over the Falklands and govern them (force a government on them) while here in Britain we are fond of our cousins in the south Atlantic, they have their own government, their own laws etc all we provide here is a hand of friendship and maybe a destroyer to make sure they are safe and yet cfk somehow thinks London governs the Falklands... we don't !!! Seems she wants to colonise the Falklands something she is supposedly against.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also saying you want something back implies you had it in the first place. Spain can't give u something that doesn't belong to them! If I said “you can have my neighbours Ferrari” doesn't make it yours, it's not mine to give away. The only claim that predates the British is the dutch (around the 12th century). But they didn't populate it so they arnt really bothered. Can't use geography either. 1) Britain doesn't “own” it (like cfk wants to do) and 2) based on that logic should Andorra just merge with either Spain or France? Size/location is irrelevant the islanders are self sustaining therefore have the right to be their own nation, and if they want to be part of the UK so be it.
Ok ok, I totally understood where these make up “news” are going!
Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need stability and tranquility.
Everything will be fine!!!
Have a sweet dream.
See you tomorrow!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/106213592/Falkland-Wars-The-Expulsion-Myth
Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Cristina going to make another speech this week ?? The UN opens for its 67th session today. The Fourth Committee considers the Falklands on Oct 8th.
Will Argentina get a Resolution ??
A proper Resolution (not all those dead ones)??
Time will tell :-)
Mexican newspaper Excelsior
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you honestly believe the Argentines are going to admit the results of the referendum and the right of Islanders to decide their future? No. We are only targeting world public opinion”
Me
Do you honestly believe the world is going to admit the results of the referendum sending two englishman on a school field trip to prove that they are not a colony?
I don't think so.
@31 Marcos,
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont see an RG flag flying over the falklands! Do you???????
Hehe ....it doesnt matter what you say or what your beliefs are, as neither you or the entire RG population can change the current situation.
Its beautiful, is it not?
whenever you find bad teath,
Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0you will find a poor dentist .lol.
Yeah indeed, in the UK..poor brits. that's what you get with “socialist run by the government” healthcare that isn't being funden anymore, because it needs to go to the banks and not to help the peasants. Pay more attention to the falklands (you'll never go there anyway), raise the flag, keep watching football and drinking the “fluoride” (isn't only worse for the teeth, but also IQ, explains why Brits are so intelligent) that's being provided by your “government” that cares about you.
Fido (isn't that a dog's name) - I see you still have your teeth fixation. Only a dumb Yank could see the world in terms of its teeth!
Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 033... jajajaja a fake yank talking about healthcare hahahah love it
Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its free for all in the UK unlike the US. Your English grammar isn't very good showing, signs of using google translate. So I doubt you are from the US
Just another troll with a body part fixation in a BA slum jajajajajaj
Fido Diddums says that he is a Netherlander.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dutch or not, he's a pompous, blithering windbag(probably with bad teeth!).
@5 Actually, a republic is a form of government in which the country is considered to be a “public matter”. Nothing to do with who has control. It is doubtful if there is a real “republic” anywhere in the world. Here are some “republics” that aren't: The Argentine Republic; the Federative Republic of Brazil; the Republic of Chile; the Republic of Colombia; the Republic of Ecuador; the Republic of Paraguay; the Republic of Peru; the Oriental Republic of Uruguay; the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. Not a real republic amongst them!
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 INTELLIGENT people aren't interested in listening to obvious liars. And that's all you argies do. LIE!!
@16 The “English”? It's the British, if you please. And, since you mention Scotland, did you know that the Scottish National Party have said that they intend to be sovereign over part of the Falklands if Scotland gets independence? And NOBODY supports self-determination in Las Malvinas because the place (?) doesn't exist! You may be referring to the British Overseas Territory of the Falkland Islands. In which case, have the courtesy to use its proper name. And a final point. The UK's negotiating “tools” all have triggers. Think about it!
@19 Good! Then f**k off!
@22 You have no name!
@23 Let me explain your position. Face down, in the sh*te, eating dog turds.
@29 You don't have the brain to “understand” anything. Back to your juicy dog turds!
@31 Let's see. Two sane, reasoning, intelligent BRITISH people versus CFK. Mexico supports the Falkland Islands!! You are incapable of thinking!!
@33 Having trouble finding some new drivel? Behold the drivel of a mongrel mutt!!
@36 A druggie then!
I also find it interesting that CFK has gone a bit quiet about the islands recently now there's protests in the streets.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe she should have stood on a balcony to address the people and give a long rambling diatribe about the evil British again. It'd definitely do the trick :)
#31 “Do you honestly believe the world is going to admit the results of the referendum sending two englishman on a school field trip to prove that they are not a colony?”
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0World opinion is shallow and uninformed, having a referendum result to bash some minor sense into the stupid with can only be a positive thing. No doubt why the Argie regime was so quick to condemn it.
@16 actualy the UN supports self dtermination and always have that is why it is enshrined in the UN charter the highest legal document that the UN has. i.e. no other UN document can be legal if it does not comply with the charter hence it applies. Even if we were to accept that in this acse it did not apply the UN resoultions on the islands clearly state that any decision on the future must be in line with the intrest of the islanders. Therefore, how can the Islands be turned over to Argentina when this is not in the intrests of the islanders. Secondly, if you actually read my whole comment you will see that I am in favour of negociations to sort out a long term solution but that this must come from a long established relationship of trust between all 3 parties. What was wrong with the Menem polcies, they at least were achiving something? The fact that my comments sound like they are comming from an embassy is because they are built on my knollege of the situation after having read many books (Both British and Argentina), having lived in both the UK and Argentina and therefore reflect the relaity of the situation we are seeing rather than being clouded (as most argentina posters are) by the nationilistic sentiment. I am actualy pleased you make that comment as it shows me to have diplomatic streak in anaylsing situations rather than your comments which seem to go against law,truth and lack any evidence to back them up. For instance why exacly must the UK negociate? What gun boats does Argentina have with which to play gunboat politics? What benfiits can they bring to the UK to make them negociate? And let us not confuse the term negociate here which implies an agreement based on comprimise (a position I support as long as it benfitis and includes the islanders) CFK is not asking for negociations as she is unwilling to comprimise on anything, let us be truthful she is asking for a group of people to given to her adiminstarion or as it is also called collinisation.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, we all know one thing don't we?
Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all the bleating from the Malvanistas it is clear they are rattled.
Well done messrs Sawle and Elsby! Just keep maintaining the cool, calm, truthful and educated approach that the rest of the world appreciates.
This is in contrast to the hysterical lies and ranting from a bunch of indoctrinated illiterates that are the Malvanistas.
Says it all really.
strong message!?? stop jocking.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 And the British response? The British Ambassador stands on a balcony and farts. Britain WINS! AGAIN!
Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Just look at the argie response! Immediate, urgent, desperate, panic-stricken, puerile, ridiculous. Nuff said!
@42 The comment from a desperate prat!
@ 31:
Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, many people around the world will accept the results of the referendum. The vast majority of freedom-loving Brazilians, for example, have nothing but contempt for the present Argentinian government. We know that the Falkland Islands are not a colony, and we would love to see our morally challenged “hermanos” abandon all dreams of empire and humbly apologise to the United Kingdom for the 1982 war. It is high time they stopped behaving like the Nazi B team.
Argentina's logic is the smoothest and most resilient anyone can imagine.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claim: Argentina took the country from Spain with force - so the country is ours.
Claim: Britain took the Falklands Islands from Argentina in force - so they are ours.
Claim: Argentina won the provinces of Formosa and Misiones from Paraguay in the War of 1870 - so they are ours.
Claim: Britain won the war of the Falklands in 1982 - so they are ours.
In short: They are ours, because they are ours, because they are ours, because ...
@45
Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont forget the most presource profitable region of Argentina (Patagonia) was brought into the Argentina nation via milatry conquest and ethnic clensing in the Conquest of the Desert by Gral later president Rocca. For a kind of lighthearted but very good looks at the hypocricy of the Argentine claim take a look at this: http://www.thefifthcolumn.co.uk/the-agitator/michael-buerk-on-argentina%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98breathtaking-hypocrisy%e2%80%99/
@40: “What gun boats does Argentina have with which to play gunboat politics?”
Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well there it is isn't it?
CFK knows that she cannot put a defacto dent in the sovereignty of the Falklands; GBR would clean Argentina's clock a la 1982. The world of adults accepts this, knows it, and sees through the bluster. But CFK wants to drag around the cross of being the victim of the big bad UK in front her schoolyard clique. It's no different than the low-rent passive-aggressive bully making cheap points by picking a fight with the big man on campus by pushing around his little sister or smaller friend and then crying “Bully!” (or “Colonialist!”) when he puts him (or in this case, her) in check even without having to take a swing at the wannabe status seeker.
Who believes the old “Strategy” about “seduction politics”, are going to come back, better forget about it, of course it will be lots of benefits to islanders or offerings I should say, but not at all privileges to English Interests, at least there is a sort of negociation. Only for individuals and the society of the Islands. That’s what I think.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For other hand I’m wondering… What’s Britain has to offer to the world, what do they have that the world wants or needs??? Ask you selves the same question about Argentina.
Cheers!
@48 examples of the benifits the islanders would enjoy under Argentina adiminstration please?
Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is one of the largest economies in the world whos foreign investment spending is huge. UK companies tradditional invest very highly in the developing world including many former parts of the empire (India for example), The UK also spends a large amount of money on foreign aid which is used all over the world to alliviate poverty. UK trained people are in huge demand around the world (this is the reason many foreigners seek to train at UK universities), the UK is a major contribuetr to the IMF, IDF and World bank which supplies loans to many nations around the world (including Argetnina). UK defense products are desired around the world as our UK developed communications equitment and aeronautics including engines.
Either way we are not talking about what Britain or Argentina have to offer the world we are talking about what they have to offer the Islanders. I will go first if you like, Britain can offer the Islanders: freedom of expression, British citizenship, self government, strong defense capacbility, assiatnce in the devlopment of oil and gas infratstructure, the right to choice their own futures, the right to own their own land, the right to speak there own language, the right to devlop their own resources for their benifit, rule of law, stable currency and foreign investment. Now your turn!
@ 48 GastonBaires
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“of course it will be lots of benefits to islanders or offerings I should say”
Sure, benefits - or offerings - like in 1982:
Look, we have this wonderful military dictatorship killing thousands of our own citizens - won't it be great for you to join us?
You live out there in the Atlantic, and we can offer you absolutely free one way flights to where we use to drop our own people in the ocean - won't it be great for you to join us?
We can also offer a 700 percent inflation, 50 times more than any you have ever had - won't it be great for you to join us?
In 2012:
Look, we are about to create this wonderful civilian dictatorship with a perpetually elected presidenta - won't it be great for you to join us?
We can also offer a perpetually growing inflation, right now it's only some 33 percent, but we are working on it - won't it be great for you to join us?
Argentina has abolutely nothing but misery to offer the Falkland islanders any time within the next thirty years or more.
@48 Boatings Arse (yes it is an anagram, but it is so YOU, don't you think?)
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I make YOU an offer?
Try to imagine, with your limited intellect and rabid victimisation of self, that you live in the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) and guess what?
It's great! No need to worry everytime you leave your well built house that you are are going to be murdered, or, if you are a woman, raped.
People smile at you and have a genuine interest in your wellbeing. You have a well paying job and don't have to bribe anybody to keep it.
Your wife (or husband) also has a well paid job and your children go to an excellent school - one without murders and rapes even there!
Yes, I KNOW you cannot imagine it because you have never, ever AND will never, ever see the like in Argentina.
There, did you like that. Sorry to wake you up to reality.
45 Arg took the country from Spain by force, so they are ours??????????
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what happens when youstudy history, arent able to put ideas in clear?????
Arg didnt went to Spain to take their country.
Argentines were in Argentina, and conquerors spaniards came to invade Argentina, so then we fought against spaniards realistas and recovered our land: Argentina, that has always been ours. Its easy to understand, what happens, Spain never never had a right to conquer Arg.
@52
Sep 18th, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you study history? There was no such palce as Argentina until after Spanish Collinisation of South America. Or are you refering to the minority (approx 20%) of Argentines who are not of white European descent?
Weellll here comes the teatcher engineer with all his erudition to tell lies
Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I study history in Argentina, thats why I know it well, although I hate history, its a boredom subject.
Argentina wasnt born from one day to another, (de la noche a la mañana) its all part of a process, long process, soooooooo, we had been a precolonial (only indegenous) a colonial(mix form spaniards and indegenous) and postcolonial independent country. And ALL those periods are part of Argentina. The people of Argentina its much more than those who you call with european descent. So go to read again those books, to try to understand it.
We didnt have a monarchy during 500 years. It was different here.
@21 Tonto
Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK feels “winning”...and you said the UK is not interested in Argentina...why then the falkloosers residing in the Islas Malditas wants to use the argentine ports?
The UK have the Islas Malditas for 189 years....and not too much to show now or during the next 100 years. Keep the Islas Malditas in your ARSE!
#55 It must be terribly frustrating for you 2012 that even before a possible oil rush the “Falkloosers” are the most prosperous people in South America.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Rule Britannia!
GastonBaires, 2011, islas M and Marcos Alejandro and all the other indocronoughts….
Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever since your deluded CFK came to power, she has promised you the Falklands, and giving you an almost bankrupt country,
She has support from other deluded leader,
And taken away any respect the world had for you,
Most decent people would, and are trying their best to get rid,,, but you little pandowdies, thinks she is the bizz,
So besides all your useless insults, just what have you achieved,
Nothing , nothing , nothing
Keep up the insult, the world watches this blog, and they laugh at you,
Carry on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>….
Meanwhile, back with the historic malen, no no Argentina is not what you think.lol.
Still,
As long as you talk talk,,walk walk,
Ya wont get amushed lolol.
33 Fido Dido
Yeah indeed, raise the flag, keep watching football and drinking tea, and that also explains why Brits are so intelligent) that's being provided by your “government” that cares about you.
………………………..
Thank you doc, your support of the Falklands is admirable ..
.
Britain so Intelligent, GODDDDDD lol,
Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at Britain today. In a huge and deep recession with non perspective because all they can provide is simply replease, without resources to develop and generate value added jobs. With a population that is slowly losing its dignity and future prospects.
I absolutely understand that you are using those arguments Misters Dido and Briton, EnginnerAbroad, etc, etc. As selve- defense.
But don´t lie to you selves and to the others.
English should be more responsible with the Islanders!
Cheers!
59 GastonBaires
Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!! You know, if you replace the word “Britain” with the word “Argentina” you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. but never mind, oh never mind!!!
Text book case of projection there me ol' son!! ( Tell me about your childhood )
While KFC puts your economy in the toilet, steals all your taxes, re write the constitution at will, the Falkland Islands will carry on do very nicely thank you, and Britain will pull itself out of recession ( without the help of Came-moron and his little b*tch Nick Clegg ).
May be in the future we will be ending food aid to Argentina while you are all in your caves, with chicken bones through your noses.
Malen 45- following your logic then Argentina belongs quite rightly to all those today who are of native indigenous descent.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you say - all the Sapanish - ie all those of Spanish (and other descent) whose families came to Argentina before 1810 should be thrown out - as they were the ones who invaded and robbed the land from the natural population? After all all those who fought the Sapnish put in 1810 took the land for THEMSELVES - they did not give it back to the original people did they?
How many of your 40million will this remove?
@59 - Gaston
Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are describing Argentina, not Britain. Argentina has nearly 40% inflation. Argentina who can't borrow money from the international community. Argentina who has a junk economic rating.
The UK has 2.6% inflation. The UK can borrow money from the international community. The UK has a AAA+ rating. Not bad for a doomed country is it? Maybe your young, but this isn't the 1st recession I've lived through, and it certainly isn't the worst. Yet somehow Britain survived those recessions, and it will survive this one. Recessions are a fact of life, they happen, no need to get excited about it.
Poor Gaston, fed lies all your life, and next year the world will see the Falkland Islands exercise their right to self determination. Argentina has had 30 years to build bridges with the Falkland Islanders, and all they've done is continue to destroy these bridges, attempt to intimidate the Islanders with threatening behaviour.
But that has now all back fired, and the Falkland Islanders are countering all of Argentina's lies on the international stage, by producing evidence that refutes all if Argentina's erroneous claims.
The Falklands will remain British for as long as the Falkland Islanders wish it to, but one thing is certain. The Falklands will never be Argentine.
55 2012 - Please tell me which Arg ports are the Islands wanting to use!?
Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We neither want nor need to use any of your ports! We have shipping to and from ports in Chile and Uruguay and Brazil that suits us fine.
Only folk who come here to and from some Arg ports are some Tourist cruise vessels - you tried to stop on of them from doing so last year and it sort of blew up in a big loss of US dollars fiasco in your faces! OH - and the Chileans laughed all the way to the bank with those dollars instead!
62 LEPRecon
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way, haven't the Islanders found their voice on the international stage as well?
Me thinks that ignoring them now just got a whole lot more difficult. After next year when the results of that referendum come in. their voices will be IMPOSSIBLE to ignore.
They well become a big player in SA as well, as their economy is one of the most stable in the region LOL!!!
@LEPRecon
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@toooldtodieyoung
I was talking about Britain and add to the list is a “nation” that is disintegrating.
Cos the thing is not working!!! Not working!!!
And please be more responsible with the islanders at list the argentine claim is very plain and clear. The English only care about the resources and the military based.
For other hands as I said before, most of the British press and lots of the comments here are wishes, (good or bad depending on who is the recipient), than realities.
Cheers!
LEPRecon
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm beginning to think that GastonBaires is a figment of my imagination, made real in some alternate reality.........
I knew I should not have eaten that last doner kebab........ I think he is trying to communicate by using words of some kind...... anyway I can't think about it now, it's 10:15pm here, so, until the morning, it's now over to you.
P.s:- you don't think it could be a BOT do you? you know, like “McClick”?
Vous avez un rêve doux et presser votre ours très forte.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Demain Schatzi!!!
you You just can’t get away from the fact,
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That the Falklands are out doing you at every stage,
What a humiliation for CFK.
Some advice for you,
Leave the British Falklands alone, get rid of CFK and re-invent argentina.
Good advice,
But will you take it.
@65
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And please be more responsible with the islanders at list the argentine claim is very plain and clear”
The Argentine claim is full of lies Gaston as has been proved on these posts many a time as the Malvanista's have NEVER won their case when it comes to using proper referencing of history.
@16
“Nobody support self determination in Las Malvinas”
Assuming that you mean the 'Falkland Islands' (Malvinas is a FIGment of your imagination), Canada supports self determination, so does Belize, and the United Nations Charter upon which all UN policy is based supports it so that makes you a bullshitter doesn't it?
@68 briton .....“Rectum Relief”
Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0keeps venting in the same tune...
yes, mommy, yes daddy....
I came back from my R & R = Rectum Relief...
You see mommy my pink english arse...is relax.
I did not use it for a while...
Oh! mommy, Oh daddy....
I am happy to be back,
I keep touching my toes
for all the english men
screw my pink arse!
Oh! Mommy Oh Daddy
it feel so good
that's what I am for...
@55 2012
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I said to you that the UK doesn't give a shit whatArgentina think about them.
Relations between the FI's and Argentina as two neighbouring nations is the preferred notion for the very long term, so if your government didn't act like a bunch of petulant retards there might be a chance of such relations in the very distant future.
As for wining it is in fact YOUR government making fools of themselves to the international community.
Besides what use would it be if Argentina ever had sovereignty of the FI's? You can't even manage to cultivate your resource rich country so what on earth could you do on a tiny baron island 400 miles away?
Also what's with your fascination of arseholes? Are you suffering from withdrawal symptoms? I guess with the amount of Hampton you have had up your crunge you have to provide your customers with an alternative that has a bit more of a tighter grip.
@ 71
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Millons of argentinian like myself don't have interest on the Islas Malditas, the UK goverment, the retards “royals” scandals seen worldwide, and the rubbish bloody english people.
Hey, be fair...how about the insulting words of “vagina neck” “bitch” “CFK de gallo” made by the UK team to the argentine leader?
The islands are yours... keep thinking... some day the population in the Islas Malditas might reach 4,000 retards...
lol
@72
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you accept the “bloody rubbish English” keep the Islands why are you posting on here then Sussie?
You have to qualify why people are retards. Like for example if someone started spouting shite, much like you, then that would qualify as retarded yes?
I dont think that last post is from an Argentinean, people here love the islands and the people.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, Do you really like here to insult Argies here, right? LOL
It is funny, for months I was reading the comments here just for fun, before I get logged.
In a couple of days I was calls for 2000 different ways But I wont
but I wont get upset about it because I just received the tickets for the two shows I wanted to see.
Now I'm going to get a glass of Malbec and enjoy viewing the tickets.
Have a nice evening!!!
@74
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Troll
@ 53 EnginnerAbroad
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to the census, there are only 600.329 indigenous people in Argentina = 1.46%.
”El INDEC, a través de la ECPI, estima que hay 600.329 personas que se reconocen pertenecientes y/o
descendientes en primera generación de pueblos indígenas (población indígena).”
http://www.desarrollosocial.gob.ar/Uploads/i1/Institucional/6.InformacionEstadistica.pdf
@66 - tooldtodieyoung
Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably. In fact he's not a very good troll, is he? He hasn't even attempted a new angle, and his attempt to derail the topic was woefully lame. In fact, looking at his posts they appear to be lacking in any sort of emotion, almost disinterest, like he's typing what he's been told to type without really believing in the subject.
Whatever La Campora are paying him is far too much considering the quality of his posts. LOL
@53 and @76
I have broached this subject with RG trolls before, and suddenly they've all got native blood, usually contradicting previous posts about themselves. However, due to their unique education that means black is white and wrong is right, they can see the contradiction of accusing someone of colonialism whilst ignoring their own countries colonial past, and apparently present too.
It appears the UN have told Argentina off, and accused them if human rights abuses, for forcibly removing native people from their own land!
It seems that Argentina's 'War of the Desert' is an ongoing issue.
#16
Sep 19th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0In your post you say “ for what is going to happen in Scotland”
Are aliens from the planet Zog going to invade ?
I live in Scotland and have no idea what you are on about - you obviously know as much about Scotland as you know about the Falklands -zilch !
You and your fellow travellers are rather inclined to hyperbole
Where do you get your figures for the statement - corrected for an incorrect name -“nobody support self determination in the Falklands”.
The UK , Canada, Australia,New Zealand etc do.
When Argentina comes crawling on their hands and knees and beg forgiveness for the wrongs they have perpetrated against the Island population, THEN some superficial discussions may take place.
why you argie inpersonating dead person.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0your insults fall on deaf ears.
your leader ruins you.
and you are a total disgrace to the true decent argentinians ,
still,
once a mersey
always a tunnel.
@ 79
Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This web site is a Port-A-John, a contest to drop the biggest and loudest crap.
The UK Team insists that they are “winning” the contest...
You must be so proud, Mr. drip, drip, drip!
lol
Like i have always said, c. f. k's gov. should include the government from the islands also, when she says she wants to talk about sovereignty, i have alwasy said that her goverment is acting in contradiction, due to it doesn't include the gov. from the islands, when she claims to talk about the sovereignty, beside, i recognize that some of the decisions that her gov. took for this cause were hard, but blaming argentina only for the actual scenario is a total lack of intellelctual honetsy, and bad faith, which is very tipical between politicians. As long as the gov. from the islands and the u. k continue rejecting to talk about sovereignty, which is the main problem, they won't be acting correctly either, c. f. k answered clearly at the u. n last june 14th about all the distortions and the stupid analysis that are made by the u. k and by the lawmakers from the islands, respecting argentina's posture. On the other hand, as long as the u. n continues considering this cause like a special colonial situation, and continues calling both parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, without invoking the right to self determination for this cause, in none the resolutions that are expressed by the decolonization committee, our claim will continue being legitimate, beside, there are many countries which support the fact that both countries resume the negotiations, and the so called falkland lawmakers should take note of it too., instead of blaming argentina only, playing a pathetic behaviour before the int. scenario, like if you were acting correctly. Let's see what happens next year, when the case is presented again before the u. n., we all already know what will be the result of the referendum, but we'll see what relevancy it will have at the u. n.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 77 LEPRecon
Sep 19th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have broached this subject with RG trolls before, and suddenly they've all got native blood, usually contradicting previous posts about themselves. ”
Some of them may be telling the truth, although most probably wouldn't admit it in public in Argentina. Untold thousands of Amerindian women were raped by the Argentine colonist, or taken as concubines, so 1/8 to 1/16 native blood is not unusual, and of course a raped woman or a concubine counts as a solid basis for a claim to be part Amerindian - doesn't it? :-( - at least when it suits a purpose.
“It appears the UN have told Argentina off, and accused them if human rights abuses, for forcibly removing native people from their own land”
Has been happening in present day Argentina since 1536.
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@ 81 axel arg
“... As long as the gov. from the islands and the u. k continue rejecting to talk about sovereignty ...”
Exactly what is there to negociate about?
As far as I am informed, a negociation goes like this: 'I get some I want and I give someyou want, so do you - and in the end we agree on a result'.
What Argentina could get from a negociation is some sort of shared sovereignity - but what can Argentina give that the Falkland Islanders want?
Besides, what guarantees can Argentina give that she doesn't renege on the result later? hostages? an enormous sum of money in escrow as collateral?
Argentina's track record is not very good (e.g. the Beagle Canal dispute (Conflicto del Beagle), where Argentina declared the agreed arbitration null and void because it didn't suit Argentina)
80 amorosa
Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with a paint job like yours,
no chance ..
@81
Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to a statement in 2008 by Ban ki Moon, self determination applies to everyone. If you require I will find the reference.
I have never seen any UN statement that excludes self-determination from the Falkland Islanders, and all of the resolutions asking Britain and Argentina to talk mention Independence and the interests of the Islanders.
It is clearly not in the interests of the Islanders to become Argentine.
1/- Argentina does not respect democracy in the Islands.
The UK does.
2/-Argentina would not be able to defend the Falkland Islands against external attack as well as the UK.
3/-Argentina's governments have not the record of democratic stability that the UK government does.
4/-Britain is a more technologically advanced country than Argentina.
5/- There is no evidence to suggest from past actions that the Islanders would not be booted out of the Islands if their colonialist neighbours took over whereas the Uk allow the FIG increasing autonomy.
6/- The Argentinians don't recognise the Islanders now (and they've been there for 180 years, plus more if you count their ancestors allowed to stay in 1833), so they clearly will evict them if they colonise the Islands (they are still evicting native races from their lands, in Argentina).
Of course the main point is self-determination (according to the UN charter), but nowhere do the resolutions point to support Argentina soveriegnty.
@84
Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Millons of argentinians like myself don't want your Islas Malditas with 3,ooo retards.
I repeat, former argentine leader Carlos Menen did the biggest mistake in argentine history resuming the diplomatic relations with the rubbish bloody UK.
I repeat, past, present and future argentine presidents have a duty to present a claim on such islands.
CFK is doing nothing more than presenting a claim.
I favored her action to stop the UK ships from using argentine ports like I mentioned in The Economist “Argentina cooking books”.
As you well remember, all the UK team placed their comments and replied to me with different names, including Zhivago using a chinese name with “residence in Tierra del Fuego”.
Again, keep the Islas Malditas in your arse!
Apple pie, and custard,
Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmmmmmmmmmmm
@86 briton ..... generic gay.... drip drip drip
Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you remember what you replied to me in The Economist ”Argentina cooking books?
How was your Rectum Relief (R&R)...ready for the next guy?
British diplomatic failure in Panama.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lavoz901.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=154404&ID_Seccion=5
87 2012
Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh, hello SussieUS, still posting I see...........
#84
Sep 19th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From bloody rubbish UK - Greetings or saludos. Sorry, I got the word order wrong -rubbish bloody UK. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE NOW.
It is also the duty of the UK government to reject your spurious claim and, if, as you say , Argentine does not want the islands, what is all the fuss about ?
So now we have agreed on that point , how's the weather in your part of the world ? It's been a pleasant sunny day here with a touch of Autumn.
Spring should be making its presence felt in the Southern hemisphere.
Our Manx Shearwaters should be starting their migration south shortly. By January, they should be off the coast of S.America and off Rio by Carnival.
If you see any of them, be kind , they don't know that they are bloody rubbish British and certainly mean you no harm.
Epistle ended for now. My mellow nature may have been brought on by a bottle of Australian Masterpeace Gold Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon.
You should try it - it works wonders.
Off to watch BBC TV AT 2100 - program - “Who do you think you are”
about another female bloody rubbish British citizen exploring her family roots. Who knows, she maybe even have an Argentinian relation up the family tree ! Now there's a thought.
@88 Maldives Islands
Sep 20th, 2012 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally lame attempt to deflect the thread.
Whatever La Campora are paying you it's far too much.
The Falkland Islanders are exposing Argentina's blatant lies to the world, and your government is looking as impotent as ever.
Argentina has cried wolf too often, and played the 'victim' card once too often. No one is listening any more, Argentina is just white noise to them.
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!
2012
Sep 20th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0impersonating a dead person is discusting,
we dont know who you are,
but you must be perverse to impersonate the dead,
your totaly discusting, go away.
I know Sussie is a bit of a strange one but why does she keep refering to the Falklands as the Filipino womens football team (Malditas)?
Sep 20th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 No Argentine connection but being the descendent of a brothel keeper was an appropriate revelation for an actress who had earlier played Moll Flanders.
Sep 20th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 92
Sep 20th, 2012 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hehehe...
No one tells me what to do!
S.T JOHN.
Sep 20th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe with you i can have a mature debate, i don't think it happens with the other person who answered my comment, i already wasted so much time with him or her in others oportunities, and i won't repeat my arguments once and again.
I dont' know exactly what arg. might offer to the islanders, i only know that our chancellours says every year that arg. is disposed to renew the safeguards and the guarantees that had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, and the u. k has never accepted it. I am not neather lawyer, nor expert in international relations, maybe many of the demands of the islanders can be accepted by arg., and perhaps many of our demands can be accepted by the them too, it won't be imposible to dialogue, and try to find a fair solution for both. Anyway, cristina's big mistake is not to include them in the conversations, she has always said that the dialogue about sovereigntyv must be with the u. k., and in the case of britain, neather the islanders, nor the u. k have never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty, we can't ignore that this is the main problem, and it must be discussed. Respecting the beagle dispute, the arbitral decision was rejected by the militar junta in 1978, but it could be solved in 1984 during ricardo alfonsin's government, when we recovered the democracy.
There are 101 days to go,
Sep 20th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before 2012 is finished for ever,
The days are counting.
Good luck
He he .
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Axel - love to know just what was thew wording - of all those alleged pre 1982 guarantees etc?
Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ones I remeber well from 1982 were all the edicts your Govt of 1982 issued over our radio in April and May 1982 which all had the same final clause - subjct to the penal justice of the Argentine Army - which basically meant - Do as we say- or you will be shot.
96
Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your leaders lie to you,
you lost, full stop.
@ 96 axel arg
Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I wrote: A negociation goes like this: 'I get some I want and I give some you want, so do you - and in the end we agree on a result' ... what can Argentina give, that the Falkland Islanders want?“.
What you suggest: ”maybe many of the demands of the islanders can be accepted by arg., and perhaps many of our demands can be accepted by the them too,“
means: The Falkland Islanders must give up some of what they already have and want, and they must accept Argentinian demands, they don't want.
That is called a lose-lose situation. They give something up and get nothing in return.
If you consider the real political and economic situation in Argentina, they would be governed by a completely erratic government, run by emotions and an economy which may very well be going down the sewer within the next couple of years.
Erratic government: The Kirchners fire capable ministers because they tell how things really are, and replace them with 'Yes!-men'. e.g. Néstor K. fired Roberto Lavagna, the chief architect behind the economic recovery, because the relations between Kirchner and Lavagna were ”complicado”, and replaced him with Felisa Miceli, who had to resign less than 2 years later over a money scandal.
Economy: Every single Argentino KNOWS from experience that the inflation is very high, they may not know the exact figures, but I have tickets from a supermarket over 3 years that show - on what I consume on a daily basis - that it was app 18 % in 2009, 22 in 2010 and close to 28 in 2011, yet the government claims it is below 10. They also KNOW that the REAL value of the peso has gone from 3.05 for a US$ in 2005 to 6.30 in 2012. The government claims that inflation is below 10%, yet they accept raises in salaries, child benefits, etc. of 26 %, fuelling inflation - wages go up = prices go up.
How do you expect the Falkland islanders to accept to get under the influence of such a incompetent and tumultuous government and economy?
@96 axel arg,
Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take note of ALL that poster #100 says, Axel.
You have been told before but l'll tell you again.
1) Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands(it is NOT your land).
2) There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
Hope this helps.
The man who claims to have no [axe to grind , ]
Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0insists his way, or the highway..
S. T JOHN. ISLANDER1.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0S.T JOH: I don't deny that c. f. k's government has contradictions and negative aspects, like the denounces of corruption cases or some wrong decisions which were taken in the past., but only somebody who has such a very partial knowledge about argentina's situation, can do the analysis that you did. If c. f. k's gov. is a total disaster, how is it posible that she was relected with the 54,11% of the votes, with 37 points of difference, which became her into the most voted presidential authority since 1983. On the other hand, i already told you that i don't know exactly what arg. can offer the islanders in the negotiations, i am not neather lawyear nor expert in int. affairs, what both parts can offer and ceade will be known only if there are conversations between both. None u. n resolution has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., all the resolutionsust called the two parts to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution, beside, none resolution neather says that self determination is not applicable, nor affirm that the solutions depends only on the wishes of the islanders, but the malvinas-falkland cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation, in my opinion, the posture of the u. n signalizes that the solution for this conflict, must be achieved, taking into account the demands of all the parts. Anyway, you already know what i think about the posture of all parts.
ISLANDER1: This is evident that neather you nor m have a deep knowledge about the negotiations between both countries before 1982, my knowledge about this is very partial, and it's obvious that it's also your case. Anyway, you already know what i think about the posture of all parts of the conflict.
@103
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm encouraged to see that you have read the UN resolutions asking the UK and Argentina to discuss the Falkland Islands without inventing non existent words.
These resolutions do obviously state Islander interests rather than wishes.
If the Islanders interests are important then these cannot be dismissed.
Without Argentine interference, the Islands are allowed to spend 25% of their GDP on education. This is not enforced on them by the UK as there are many British people who wouldn't mind 25% of the Uk budget spent on education. As this does not coincide with UK policy, it is clearly the islanders decision.
I doubt that if Argentina took control of the FIs that the Islanders would control their education policy.
If Islanders choose they can go to universities and higher education establishments in UK, for FREE.
I cannot see how it would be in the Islander's interest to go to inferior Argentine universities and forgo the high quality education they enjoy at the moment.
Andwhat if Argentina controlled the Falkland Islands and they were threatened? Argentina's military is woefully inferior to the UK armed forces so it is clearly in the Islanders interests to be defended by a better power.
At the moment if the Islanders were not threatened and treated like scum by Argentina, (a clear subliminal intent of threat), they might have the confidence to aspire to independence rather than prolong their relationship with the UK. If they chose to be Independent, then the UK would agree to this as it has consistently done with its former posessions. I find it difficult to believe that Argentina would allow Independence, therefore it is not in the Islanders interests to become Argentine.
So even discussing interests and not wishes, I cannot see how it is in the 'interests' of the Islanders to be Argentinian rather than linked to UK or become independent.
@ 103 axel arg
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did NOT write that he present government is “a total disaster”. I wrote, it is “completely erratic”, which doesn't exclude a certain number of sane dispositions among the insane ones (e.g. destroying the fisheries in Patagonia to harass the islanders; Ushuaia loosing millions of pesos to harass cruise vessels under British flag; ... ). The present government is guided by emotions, not rational thinking.
axel arg: “how is it posible that she was relected with the 54,11% of the votes”
Because the present government buys votes indirectly by doling out to the voters, who see short term advantages and don't care about lost long term advantages, simply because they are accustomed to mismanagement these last 60 years.
The Argentine government refuses to negociate with the Falkland Islands' Government (FIG). How, then, are negociations at all possible?
Argentina has everything to gain, the Falkland Islanders can only lose and stand to gain nothing.
Seen from the islanders point of view: Does negociations make sense, if they only stand to lose what they have and want?
Negotiations have a purpose only if the Falkland Islanders can gain something they want in return for what they must give up.
axel arg: “all the resolutionsust called the two parts to resume the negotiations and find a peaceful solution,”
Not true.
It is correct, that the NON-BINDING UN resolutions all say “INVITES the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations ...”.
BUT! the only BINDING Security Council resolution (502 3rd April (1982)), on the other hand, clearly states:
”Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas)” http://www.historycentral.com/HistoricalDocuments/UNReso502.html
Argentina ignored a binding resolution completely and had to be forced out, and yet demands the FIG and Britain to abide by the non-binding.
@105 - st john
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're wasting your time talking to axel arg. He'll bleat on about how both sides have “made mistakes” and how he has masses of evidence to back up Argentina's claims to the islands - but will never say anything of substance.
Like the rest of the Malvinistas he could'nt give a damn really about the islanders - he just wants argentina to gets its hands on their land and homes.
Axle - Actually I was directly involved in the discussions in the 1970s! - so still waiting for all these points etc that you appear to know about?
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad that you feel you do not know what Argentina could offer the Islands - we wonder that question as well - and just cannot find anything worthwhile!
@103AA
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0'“ my knowledge about this is very partial”
Thanks - you confirm what we know about you - a waste of time reading your posts.
I´m watching the Aristegui interview show at “CNN en español” where the interviewed are Mr. Elsby and Mr. Sawle, both Falklands Islands Councelors, expalining to the Latam viewers their side of the truth, the real truth.....They have put crystal clear what the Islanders position is, what a BOT means, how the population is conformed, what the next referendum means to them and to others, what is their expectations on the future over cooperation with the Latam countries, their future related to the oil exploration, fishing conservation, tourism business, etc.....
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well done by both of them, specialy the good spanish of Mr. Sawle that helped to understand the Falklands Islands status in this moment....
The more the MLA's are heard the sooner the Argentine wall of lies they have passed to the world as the truth will come tumbling down-Samson against Goliath.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This rfrerendum is cheap way to sell the Falklands overseas.I do not see it working. There is no need for one.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0S. T. JOHN. ISLANDER1. SHB.
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0S. T. JOHN: What is the difference between completely erratic and total disaster?, this is evident that you can't see your contradiction. On the other hand, your argument about the fact that the government buys votes can't be more redicoulus, it's actually the argument of the losers, who always want to understimate those people who don't think like them, beside when you argue about the lost of advantages in a long term of time, that shows how little you know about the changes of the last 9 years. On the other hand, i agree with yuo when you say that our gov. refuses to talk to the gov. from the islands, in fact i have always criticised it, respecting the resolutions, the u. n etc etc, i respect your opinion but i dont agree on it, you already know what i think about it.
SHB. I must apologize t you, because i still haven't sent you my investigation, the problem is that i am cheking it all again, because i realised that i committed mistakes when i translated some words, beside, i realised also that i haven't dated completly a few sources, that's why i am cheking it again, the problem is that i have little time, but i hope can finish it before the end of this month, i will let you know.
ISLANDER: The fact that i don't know what arg. can offer the islanders, due to i am not expert in international affairs, doesn't mean that both parts can't sit and dialoge in order to find a fair solution for this conflict, you already know what i think about it.
@ 112 axel arg
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0comple bosh.
YOU don't understand the difference between completely erratic and total disaster.
Completely erratic means impossible to predict.
“argument of the losers” is how a loser arguments.
Axel, will help fill a few gaps for you: before 1982 Argentina offerred:
Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once a week Airlink to the outside world. We no longer need it as we have 14 a month - not 4.
Shipping Link with S America. We no longer need it as we have one under our own control to S America. As well as 2 lines operating to UK and elsewhere.
Medical care(we paid for it) if our hospital could not treat the patient.
We now have improved facilities here and medical links direct to Uk and Chile so yours no longer needed.
Fuel and Gas Supply. No longer needed as we have our own from elsewhere.
Cannot think of anything else really. Oh yes Arg did for a while offer free education for Islanders in top Arg private scholls - it only lasted a year or two as naturally Arg taxpayers said - why the f*** are we paying for those kids when we cannot even send our oen there!
@111 A S S
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This rfrerendum is cheap way to sell the Falklands overseas.I do not see it working. There is no need for one.”
If it's not going to work, what do you have to lose? What do you fear?
You really don't want this do you?
CFK is scared of the outcome!!
LOL, poor Malvinistas
What do you say to UNSC Resolution #502, which was binding, Axelbobo?
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina REFUSED to comply, yet you want us to comply with UNGA non-binding Resolutions. Argentina DEMANDS! Ha ha ha ha.
You are an ldiot, Axel. a complete wasted space. A loser.
You say that you are a teacher?
l pity your students.
116 lsolde
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I did not know that AA was a teacher.
I see the problem now: he's believing the rubbish he has to teach the kids.
LOL
@112 - Axel
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, all those UNGA resolutions you keep spouting are non-binding.
Secondly ARGENTINA INVALIDATED THEM ALL BY INVADING THE FALKLANDS IN 1982.
Thirdly, Argentina IGNORED the binding (as in you must comply) UNSC resolution 502 by refusing to remove your armed forces from the Falklands and engaging in dialogue with the UK.
So since Argentina is the one at fault, the UK and the Falkland Islanders are under no obligation to talk to Argentina about anything at all.
Tell me Axel. Why are you so scared about the Falkland Islanders expressing their self-determination? Is it because it means that Argentina will be proved to be an aggressive would be imperialist, colonial, expansionist country, who doesn't give a sh!t about the rights of people.
People like the Falkland Islanders. People like the native Amerindians of Argentina who are still suffering at the hands of Argentine colonial aggression?
109 I like that part one man of Malvinas said that the islands were an overseas territory of Argentina!!!!!!!lapsus lapsus lapsus jajaja
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They think they are a country???? Impossible. And imagine a NATO country infiltrated in between our southamerican values and interests democracies defenses ........impossible
Huh?? What????
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@119 - Malen
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truly sad thing is that you would recognise true democracy if it was dancing naked in front of you singing 'happy days are here again'.
What you have in Argentina is a facade of democracy covering a de facto dictatorship.
The Falklands by comparison have true transparent democracy.
NIce interview whit both guys in CNN ARISTEGUI-
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Mr.Sawle: I think hés a good man, because can´t lie properly-
He said : “ Somos un territorio de ultramar de Argent...del Reino Unido”
Minuto 1,55
And he confuse again: “Nosotros, los representantes de la población.....del pueblo”
Minuto 2.39
http://blogs.cnnmexico.com/aristegui/2012/09/21/el-conflicto-de-las-islas-falkland-o-malvinas/
This is all wee need to know about you islanders... your inconscient kills you all the time-
By the way, every document is in the name of HMS, so you aren´t a country, you are english people living in the argentina land, same as 300.000 english people who live in Argentine mainland-
My best whishes to your 2 former represents, who knows they are living in Argentine Ultramar Territory and they are a POBLACIO, not POPULATION.
TRY AGAIN-
Regards!!
@122 - Rosarino
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands have never been Argentinian. Not one Argentine has ever come up with any actual proof that Argentina even had a legitimate claim. You just keep regurgitating the same old lies and distortions.
By 21 st century law the Falkland Islanders have the right to determine their own future. That is enshrined in the UN charter, no matter how much you Argentines try to deny it.
Next year the Falkland Islanders will exercise that right, and the whole world will witness it, and Argentina will remain as impotent over this issue as ever.
@122
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“By the way, every document is in the name of HMS, so you aren´t a country, you are english people living in the argentina land, ”
1/-The Falklands aren't part of Argentina, you can see it on the official government documents. What is in your dreams is another matter.
2/- There are some English people who have emigrated to the Falkland Islands but those who are born there can't be English, as the Falklands Islands are not England.
By applying your logic most Argentines are Spanish, Italian or of other European nationality.
@122 - Rosarino
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a saying in Britain when someone accuses another person of the same or a similar fault that they themselves have. It is called 'the pot calling the kettle black'.
Why do you criticise an English speaking person who tries his best to habla espanol when you fail miserably to do the same in written English. The written word is much easier to command as it is not time dependent as is the spoken word.
I am trying to learn Spanish and have discovered one thing for certain. All the Uruguayos who know what I have been doing for the last months, smile and tell me how difficult it is to learn and not to worry, reasonable people will understand this and IT IS THE TRYING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT.
So perhaps you have failed on three counts: but that is not surprising for someone who is so arrogant as you.
I will end with a supercilious remark just as you do: Hasta la vista.
Yes, Rosarino.
Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go bag your head. lmbecile.
125 Chris R
Sep 24th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're not allowed to use that expression across the pond anymore! I remember my grandparents and my father both using it but its no longer P/C, maybe not so much here in Canada but in the States you would likely be lynched.
127 Zhivago
Sep 24th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless you are a black yourself, I believe.
They are also allowed the term 'nigger' as a sign of affection to other blacks or should that be persons of indeterminate ethnicity?
@127 & @128
Sep 24th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can always use the British military version of the saying:
“Hello Pot! This is Kettle! Send colour status. Over!”
from 123-...specially 125-
Sep 24th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your best whissies, i´m not liying, that´s what happen when your not a liar and someother give you “letra or speech” for declare things you don´t believe-
HE GET CONFUSED ONLY whit that CONCEPTS, not only words-
NOT ONLY WORDS-
The difference between concept and word is ver very clear...even in spanish ;)
So do not try to help this poor men triyng to be liar in public...you most sent people same as Isolde who has very good vocabulary.
He´s argument was based and prepared by Downing Street -
In the past I never hear you “We are Falklanders”....you always says “we are english people”
Now you are “pueblo”, originals, heros, white and cute and perfects ....and love penguins and respect the human rigths-http://www.falklands.net/
So know, soon, try to change your speech, and you fall....because you are good people (not include Isolde of course ;) )
Well, whe laugh a lot whit Mr. DICK speech, in IMPECABLE castellano.....just don´t believe what they say-
I understand you, fighting for OTHERS who use you by their owns interest......
Regards-
ISLANDER1. LEPRECON.
Sep 24th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISLANDER: I already knew about all those offers, but as long as your gov., and the u. k cotinue rejecting to discuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, the question won't be solved, and our gov. should include also the gov. from the islands, when it says that it wants to talk about the sovereignty. If you heard c. f. k's statement before the u. n., last june 14th, you'll realise that many of the arguments that you, and many of your compatriots use, in order to reject discusions about the sovereignty, are absolutly nonesense. Finally, let me tell you that if we want to discuss about such a complicated question like politic is, we must have enough intellectual honesty, because we must recognize that actually both sides committed mistakes in the past, and continue acting uncorrectly in some aspects, everybody here knows that i support c. f. k's gov., but i also recognize that it's a big mistake not to include the islanders in the conversations, in the same way, that you are commiting a a very big mistake too, everytime you reject to discuss about a fair solution for the sovereignty.
LEPRECON: Read what i typed for islander. Respecting resolution 502, i respect what you think about it, but i have always though that actually both gov. didn't respect that resolution, it said that arg. had to retire the troops, which wasn't complied, and it also said that both nations had to solve their problems peacefully, before thatcher orders to sink the belgrano, there were conversations, however, when she ordered o sink it, what she wanted to show is that she wasn't interested in any peaceful solution. On the other hand, at the same time that you say that we are colonialist, you deffend a country which still has 10 of the 16 colonial enclaves, can't you see how redicoulus and contradictory your argument is?. Beside, i m not affraid of any referendum, we will see what happens next year.
130 Rosarino
Sep 24th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post is completely unintelligible.
@130 Rossy
Sep 24th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Google Translate, or is your Concept as muddled as your Words??
132-
Sep 24th, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 01-Mr Sawle speak very well spanish; he only get confused when try to lie-
There´s a difference between “pueblo y poblacion”- HUGUE-
El Instituto para la Autodeterminacion de los Pueblos contempla estas diferencias, and I don´t know if you are or not Islanders, but islanders cannot configure “Pueblo”, you are “poblacion”-
That Institute has british participation....please read more-
2- We are PUEBLO because we are differents to spanish people....we FIGTH for our rigths, and declare independents- Islanders can do nothing whitout the agreement of HMS-
And all administrative pedo you can make is in her name-
Regards-
By the way, two things: buy “Che Boludo”, book for british & americans who want to learn spanish (argentino ó uruguayo)
Writed for american guy, no argentino, you can buy it and get clean whit your conscient-
Buy it in Amazon: very recomendable-
and Two:
http://www.unirargentina.com.ar/exitosa-conferencia-argentina-pais-acreedor/
@134
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Islanders can do nothing whitout the agreement of HMS-”
Yes they can, that's what the FIG is for. The laws are different in the Falkland Islands to the UK. the financial management is different, you would realise this if you have ever lived there.
If the islanders want to declare independence they are at liberty to do so , the UK has not forbid the Islanders to be independent or Argentine if they chose.
That is something you have invented.
The Islanders at present are British BECAUSE the UK allow them to run their islands-precisely the point of not being Argentinian, is because they are control freaks and would not allow the islanders to run their own government.
You cannot say that the islanders will definately not choose Independence in the future, either.
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