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Falklands immigration review to address labour demand from strong economy

Tuesday, September 18th 2012 - 06:56 UTC
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The future need of the Falklands Islands labour market is the driving force behind a decision to review the Falklands immigration system, confirmed Head of Policy Jamie Fotheringham this week in a report published by Penguin News. Read full article

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  • stick up your junta

    Argies need not apply

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • googer62

    ”The Economic Development Strategy (EDS) identifies the immigration system as being one of the key constraints to economic growth in the Islands.“ I would beg to differ. The present system stops no one from working in the Falklands. It does however seek to encourage integration of immigrants rather than a ”open door” approach which allows large and almost unchecked influx which could well cause friction further down the line. I shall be watching this extremely closely.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    I think we can learn from the Romans on this one. Let those service and civil service personnel who have been done more than one tour of duty in FI have automatic residential status when they retire after 22 years total service.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • copland

    About time they addressed this problem.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @3
    Yeah that really worked for them.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Just don't make the mistake Britain made. After WW2, Britain had major labour shortages. Effectively, the doors were thrown wide open. Primarily, all LatAms must be treated with suspicion. It only takes days for an “agent” to cause damage. Enemy governments have plenty of money with which to create cover stories, false documents and so forth. And don't forget “sleepers”. They may do nothing for years. Then you find you've got a fifth column! This is a major danger area. Worse than the argie military cemetary.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I think a greater worry would be efforts by Argentina to swamp the place with Malivinistas - especially those with breeding potential.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    3 Doveoverdover

    What is a 'civil service tour of duty'? Civil servants are employed on either local or overseas contracts. They are employed by FIG, not seconded from somewhere else. What does 22 years service mean? You can't stay here for 22 years without applying for PRP or status and going on to local terms. Since when did civil servants retire after 22 years anyway? If only that were true.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    7... I would think they would be looking for skilled people, so no worries from the CFK lot.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    22 years is the full term service in the armed forces - I assumed it was a reference to that.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    I have to disagree googer62, the Immigration policy in the Falklands is hugely restrictive to those who are not from the Falklands. The Immigration system currently is maintained to protect locals, and if an overseas person is in competition with a local for a job, if the local meets the very basic requirements, the overseas applicant will lose out evertytime, even though the overseas applicant may have more experience, qualifications, capability etc. And before I am accused of being a contract worker(!), I was born in the Falklands, and I benefit from the current immigration policy. However I have seen how it doesnt work and how it negatively effects the Falklands economy. The review on the immigration system should be welcomed.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gustbury

    stick up your junta idiot..many Argentines lives and works in islands!!

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @8 MOD Civil Servants, dear, MOD Civil Servants....

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Anyone know who gustbury is ranting at?

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    DoD

    Thanks for your suggestion. If we need any advice from you we know where to find you. Actually we get a pretty good representation of ex-servicemen and women moving to the islands already. Not really civil servants though are they? I think there's a clue in the name.

    We're looking at a different model to the one you so generously put forward but thanks. Oh and by the way, don't call us, we'll call you.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @13

    Well if that's what you want you'd better start lobbying the FIG with your 'anyone who works for the MOD and has spent some time in the Falklands and should get Falkland Status' idea.

    Good luck with that.

    You could just apply on your own merits of course, mind you I reckon we've probably got a surplus of pompous windbags already.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @14 Anyone know who gustbury is ranting at?

    Me :-))))))

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @16 So, you know Joe Bloggs already then.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 2012

    @1

    Do you think that filipinos workers known worldwide as the best workers will dare to work in such malditas islas?

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Well that's me cut down to size with military precision. This RN guy goes about his work with such aplomb. Help me Westisbest!

    Doveroverdover you continue to assure me that you truly are a deadbeat.

    Ex UK MoD office with an exemplary career (and I don't just mean what they write on your discharge papers)
    20: 1

    Argie Troll:
    5:1

    Sad old military guy who really didn't amount to anything:
    1:2

    Place yor bets.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @20 I think I know the answer. Can I place a bet?

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Well naturally, no. That is a fundamental rule of any such contest. Your question changes the Argie Troll price to 4:1. They don't seem to be able to adhere to any rules either.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    That's a shame because 20/1 is a gift. If you knew anything about the Navy you would know that those of us retiring at flag rank don't get discharge papers.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Let’s see……………
    What happened during my short Walkabout along the Patagonian shores…..?

    I can see that the population of Malvinas is getting smaller and older…
    And that the Camp is becoming even more des”camp”ado… ;-)

    I can see that FOGL striked a “Gas Discovery” in our waters…
    And that its share price went duly, from about 71pennies pre-discovery to a whopping…..
    ~ 69 pennies post-discovery… ;-)

    I can see that the English police finally apologized for Hillsborough…
    What’s 23 years between friends… ;-)

    Great news, all of them

    PS:
    (20) Joe Bloggs
    100 Pesos on Number 1 (one)..... :
    ” Ex UK MoD office with an exemplary career (and I don't just mean what they write on your discharge papers)”

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    What’s 23 years between friends…

    or 34

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/27/argentinas-angel-of-death-jailed

    But for some, the bitter overruled the sweet. “I don't believe in justice 34 years after the fact, now that the accused are too old and decrepit for it to matter,” said Cecilia Devincenti, the daughter of the founder of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, Azucena Villaflor.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    its their country, so its up to them,

    besides you argies have to much land,

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    ...and there's no show without Dumb. I wondered when you were going to log back in as him. Er, I mean I wondered when he was going to come back.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @24 The good news is that JB can cover your winning bet from the loose change in his pockets. Welcome back.

    You may be insane, you may be vane, you may even be a multi-identity troll but by heavens you make a more interesting and challenging adversary than any of my fellow British Citizens blessed with Falkland Island status, male or female.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (28) Doveoverdover

    Permit me to disagree…
    I find Kelpers quite interesting…
    I do value M_of_FI’s Kelper ways to be a Kelper…
    I do value Isolde’s Kelper ways even if She ain’t a Kelper…
    I do value Monty96’s Kelper way of misread every single word one writes…
    I do value Islander1 Kelper ways of throwing small defensive white Kelper lies…
    I do even value Westisbest’s Kelper ways of expressing himself through four letter words…..
    But I dont appreciate Joe Bloggs Un-Kelper ways……. So “Nouveau Riche”… I bet he even throws perfectly fine things away!

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Thunk the clunk is back from his intensive course in trollism by La Campora!
    Lets see whether his instruction was worth while from his next posts. How are his horses in the barn? No doubt glad to see him back, though maybe they went on the indoctrination course too. Well, the emperor Caligula made one of his horses a senator, so maybe its time well spent

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    slowly but surley, they will come round to our way of think,,ing.

    the british falklands, to be left alone,

    and CFK to run what she was elected to run,[argentina]

    mmmmm...

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @28

    Awww, is your shoulder sore this evening? feeling the weight of that massive chip eh?

    @29

    Fuck off Think.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    30 Redpoll
    31 briton

    Dumb and dumber just adds to life's rich tapestry. At least on here people read what he writes and sometimes respond.

    I'm off to feed my cats some Patagonian Toothfish.

    Chuckle chuckle

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @29 Looks as though one of your followers resents not being included in your list of interesting worthies. Still, good to have someone demonstrate support for the proposition that we can learn from the Romans.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    34 Doveoverdover
    What are we learning from the Romans? Is it how pensioning off veterans and settling them in someone else's country is a really really great idea, like, say, at Colchester? Yes indeed.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @35 Well I thought those Roman settlers in Colchester got fired and indeed roasted by the indigineous British Queen Bouddicca

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JPhillips

    @24 Ah, Think's back. Have a nice holiday?

    PriceStats figures show Argentine inflation currently at 35%, highest spot figure was 3.351% (monthly) 48.52% (annual).
    £10 has been donated to the ICRC. I asked them to put it towards their South American work - never known a charity give the option of where you want it spent, but I figured that would be the best choice.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @19 2012
    There are already Filipinos working in the Falklands.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    33
    why the insults GI joe,

    are we not on the same side.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    32 Awww, is your shoulder sore this evening?

    Its not his shoulder that's sore.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @35 and @36 Uppity Ungrateful Colonists, are you really claiming to be the indigenous population of the Falkland Islands? Someone else's country indeed; British Overseas Territory it is. I would have thought you would have had more gratitude for the sacrifices of your Armed Forces than you two are exhibiting.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @41

    What the Falkland Islands is is OUR decision, us, the Falkland Islanders. Whatever chippy armchair admirals like you may think that principal was what the British Armed Forces were fighting for in '82 and we are grateful for that, our right to define our own political future.

    Frustrating isn't it? Pom.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    42
    Do you really believe everything that Argentinian tool says.
    Ask him to take a photograph of his South Atlantic Medal on top of a copy of tomorrows Times and post it here. Make sure its not his good conduct medal from the Boy Scouts.....or Brownies.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @43
    Not really but I know that attitude does exist in Britain, whoever Doveoverdover is if he want's to be treated like Colonel Blimp then I'm happy to oblige.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @42 Rather more people believe that what the Task Force went to do was to throw an invading Johnny Foreigner off a small, distant Crown Colony/British Dependent Territory/British Overseas Territory. I don't recall anyone thinking any more deeply about it than that.

    Should you be thinking of asking to see my South Atlantic Medal, alas it cannot be done for there is not one to be seen. I admit I was a South Atlantic Dodger, sitting comfortably at my desk down a hole in the south of England and, when off watch, roughing it in the wardroom of HMS Warrior. Still, they also serve who only sit and read signals.

    As for defining your own political future, I look forward to the Referendum question forming, franchise determining, vote and subsequent PR offensive. I'll bet the resulting definition of your future looks a lot like the British Government's. Remember you have a veto not a right to self determination as far as they are concerned.

    @44 Gad, Sir! Englander is right. That Argentinian is a Tool. We should continue to oblige him.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    44
    George Galloway perhaps but that's about it. If Argies invaded tomorrow, UK would rush to the Falkland Islanders defence. Its in the DNA now.

    45
    How's your arse, fat boy?
    So...no South Atlantic Medal. How about your good conduct medal that you like keep polished? Surely not another figment of your imagination.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @46 These are figments of your imagination, not mine. Shall I spell it out for you again? Naval Officers, in fact all British Commissioned Officers not working their way up from the lower deck/ranks, aren't eligible for good conduct medals. Good conduct, like good manners, is rather expected and most of us try to live up to those standards. You appear not to be so constrained.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    47
    Royal Navy Officers especially Royal Navy Officers with long service don't lose their cool quite as quickly as tossers like you.
    Tell me how do you feel on Remembrance day? All that long service and not a medal to show for it. Bit conspicuous? Maybe I'll watch out for you in a few weeks!
    You've been rumbled mate, just accept it and come up with a more believable persona.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @47 Each year I feel more weary and condemned by time but not nearly as weary as your posts make me feel. Go on, you can have the last word on this exchange......

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    49
    I don't Think you tell the truth.
    If you could provide one shred of evidence that could be checked out relating to your lifetime of service, I would leave these boards and never return but you don't because you can''t.
    You're a fraud and should be ashamed of yourself.
    Prove me wrong and I'll apologise.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (37) JPhillips
    Pleased to see a gentleman keeping his wager….
    Hope those 10£ donated to the Red Cross will serve you as an ”eye opener” about not believing everything you read in the papers (specially this one ;-)……

    I’ll give you that Argentina has had some financial difficulties (financial, not economical, the economy is basically sound down here) the past couple of trimesters but all the indicators for 2013 are looking good …..

    (41) Doveoverdover
    Poster 36; Mr. Redpoll is no “Uppity Ungrateful Colonist” …..

    He is a Uruguayan rice farmer of XIX century Scottish immigrant extraction…..
    A type of person I have met numerous times down here….
    Right wing…., highly critical about all our governments, highly nationalistic in the negative way of seeing all neighboring Countries as potential enemies and always geared up with a ready-made solution for all our South-American problems……

    I did to him what I have done with many of his noble breed before…
    I asked him if all of his employees at his ranch are paid in “white”…
    Needles to say, he got offended and has treated me badly since…

    Back to the Islanders……
    As you can infer (and surely already knew) by the Kelper posts (35) and (42), after having been treated worst than animals for more than 150 years by the Poms, there is a certain degree of animosity against the above mentioned Poms in them Islands….
    They hide it the best they can but…..; paraphrasing Mr. Englander….:
    Its in their DNA now.

    PS:
    TWIMC
    FOGL down 4,69% again…
    Gas…. Beautiful Gas………

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    49/51
    Thought not. You really are beneath contempt.
    Interesting strategy though, trying to divide the Falkland Islanders from the Brits. I guess the forthcoming referendum will measure its success.
    Personally, I'd dream up something new because I don't Think its gonna work some how.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    You cannot separate, what is inseparable,

    At least until independence,
    Is this not true,

    Until that day ever comes, we are in the same boat,
    And share paddles,

    You Argies on the other hand, are in your own boat,
    Without paddles,

    That’s why you want to separate us, so you can have their paddles.
    Light heartedly .lol.

    .

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @51
    Given that pre-1982 the poms did not treat the islanders as they deserved, only makes it more stupid that the Argentines have sought to alienate the islanders before and since.
    The poms have made up for their mistakes in the past by granting the islanders increasing autonomy.
    The Argentinian idea is to live in the past (1800s), and treat the islanders worse (than the UK ever treated them),so that the islanders will never want to be Argentines.

    Very' clever' strategy that, proving that Argentina does not really want the Islands.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    Briton

    I wasn't insulting you. I call Think and Dover Dumb and Dumber respectively. Not you and Redpoll. Please forgive me for any misunderstanding I may have caused.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    55 Joe Bloggs
    thats what i thought,

    a misunderstanding,

    and thank you for your reply,
    thanks..

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Today’s “The Telegraph”....:

    Falkland Oil and Gas shares should be avoided.....

    On Monday, shares in punters’ favourite Falkland Oil and Gas (FOGL) swung wildly after it announced a gas recovery.……

    The reason for the initial disappointment was that the company found gas instead of oil. Gas prices are low at the moment, especially in the US, because of a glut of gas following the shale boom….

    The other problem is that there is no guarantee that the company will strike oil. Hydrocarbons are found in about one in seven wells drilled, so the odds are pretty equal to a flutter on the greyhounds…..

    There may or may not be substantial amounts of commercial oil sitting in basins near the Falkland Islands. However, from an investment point of view, Questor ”THINKS” this does not really matter…...

    FOGL has no production, no cash flow and no significant resources….. This is too much of a gamble in a race where there are a number of horses and lots of pitfalls……

    This is not even considering the political risk from Argentina, which is likely to step up its rhetoric should commercial discoveries be made……

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/questor/9551253/Questor-share-tip-Falkland-Oil-and-Gas-shares-should-be-avoided.html

    I usually disagree with the Telegraph…..
    Not today….
    Chuckle…

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    57
    Don't invest then.
    Stick to your peso's, they've been doing really well for the last 6 months.

    Chuckle chuckle

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    57 Think
    Interesting article.
    “Shares in Falkland Oil & Gas are very volatile. Questor says avoid”

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @57 & 59

    Yep, that is one person’s opinion, and it doesn't look good for FOGL, but we do still have Rockhopper and the other oil companies who keep pushing forward. Other companies are buying in and they are investing their money, so they must be reasonably confident in receiving a financial return. This exploration stage keeps being extended, so it seems the companies are still confident and eager in finding another commercial find. But it can go either way, which is the risk of exploring for hydrocarbons.

    It is also funny that many investors state not to invest in Argentina! But the Argentines reply is to accuse them of lying or they tell a wonderful tale of Western conspiracies to keep them down. It is funny how Argentines pick and choose what investor advice they listen too.

    I think Argentines (e.g. Think and Marcos) forget that aspect, it is to explore and find, but I guess they would take comfort in finding no hydrocarbons to minimise the Falklands economic growth, even though at the same time they claim that the oil is theirs.... I am not sure how someone can boldly claim there is no oil while at the same time saying the oil is theirs....but that is Argentines for you...they believe that they don't have to make logical sense to debate... and that is why I keep coming on here and commenting.

    Ah, the wonderful contradictory complexities of the Argentine people.

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    If they had their own oil,
    They would not be envious and jealous of the Falklands,

    Throwing out cracks of envy just goes to show how desperate they really are.

    As the pirate keeps saying, Argentina is rich,
    Shame then they can’t put these riches to good use.
    .

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 2012

    @ 61 Briton Mr. drip drip drip
    ......envious and jealous of the Falkloosers?
    I repeat, millons of argentine citizens don't give a shit for such Islas Malditas.
    Who wants to reside with 3,000 retards?
    I repeat.
    Keep your Islas Malditas you know where.

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @51 In my personal, practical, responsible and extended experience the problem never has been with the true Falkland Islanders. By true I mean those who were born, schooled, worked and remained in the Islands all their lives. Those that left and went back and, worse, those who came from elsewhere were and still are the ones who resent the influence and necessity of “outsiders”. To that we can now add smugness and a selfish desire to pull up the drawbridge behind them.

    The debate on the new policy, as with the Referendum, will be interesting to observe, being as uninterested in moving there as you and I are.

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    2012
    ONE Hundred and one day to go,
    and you are gone for ever,
    he he he.
    ,

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @Doveoverdover

    63:
    “worse, those who came from elsewhere were and still are the ones who resent the influence and necessity of “outsiders”. To that we can now add smugness and a selfish desire to pull up the drawbridge behind them. ”

    3:
    “Let those service and civil service personnel who have been done more than one tour of duty in FI have automatic residential status when they retire after 22 years total service.”

    I see you have a low opinion of your fellow ex-servicemen and women.

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    :)

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (63) Doveoverdover

    You say:
    ”In my personal, practical, responsible and extended experience the problem never has been with the true Falkland Islanders. By true I mean those who were born, schooled, worked and remained in the Islands all their lives. Those that left and went back and, worse, those who came from elsewhere were and still are the ones who resent the influence and necessity of “outsiders”.”

    I say:
    Well…..
    Most of my personal, limited, unpractical and irresponsible drinking experience with them Kelpers has been with those “born, schooled, worked and remained in the Islands all their lives” type (and their continental cousins).
    I can assure you that the old generation’s resentment against Britain was (and is) deeeeeeep......................
    But you are quite right about those colonial newcomers and returnees…….
    They certainly are more strident and uppity than the gruff old timers……

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    63 Doveoverdover

    You might be a troll but you're a very entertaining one. Hilarious.

    Anyway, to recap. Before 1982, Falkland Islanders often left school at 15 with few or no qualifications, and went to work on the farms, for absentee landowners. And by jingoes they knew their place and no mistake. And now their children are going away and seeing the world and getting educated, or experience, or both, and marrying partners who weren't even born here, and coming back with ideas above their station and IT'S ALL RUINED!!!!

    That about right, or is it a bit too strident?

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    60 M_of_FI
    “it doesn't look good for FOGL, but we do still have Rockhopper and the other oil companies who keep pushing forward”

    Yes, you still have Urinehopper :-)
    (RKH) Rockhopper Exploration
    178.12 -7.50 (-4.03%)

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @69 Thank you for your unqualified support but I think you meant“ is it too ironic” or possibly even“ too sarcastic” rather than “too strident”. You must be one of the Charrington/Coalite generation. At least that will have spared you being taught by some of those low quality teachers,lacking a true vocation, that found their way to the islands in the years immediately after the war.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @70

    well you're just full of bright ideas about what's wrong with the Falklands*, isn't it a shame that you have no say at all about how things are done here? Falklands for the Falkland Islanders and all that don'tcher know (and that includes all those lovely oil royalties that we've got to look forward to).

    *well...you're full of something anyway.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    70 You're welcome.
    “ At least that will have spared you being taught by some of those low quality teachers,lacking a true vocation, that found their way to the islands in the years immediately after the war”

    What do you expect? That fake government of 'big heads”t provides the staff.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    To all “Patriots”

    The haughty Kelpers are rebelling….. What to do…????

    1) Continue to rule them Kelpers by writing all “their” laws and regulatives in intricate Chancery Standard English so they won’t ever find out what's hitting them……

    2) More cheap booze and fatty food for them Kelpers.............
    Natural evolution will do the rest.

    3) Pull a “Tavington”.
    Summon all 2,500 of them Kelpers to church and then…......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Py2LZNb79Q

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 2012

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    Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Moderator
    While sussie and its many aliases does provide a certain pseudo comic relief to your blogs, its continual comments really dont contribute much to a serious discussion of the issues. May we have a little less of its crazy comments please?

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    68 Monty

    God forbid that Falkland Islanders don't continue to remain the same as poor old Think and Dove remember them. My parents' generation always said “you get what you get and you don't get upset”. But like you said: times have changed. We've seen a bit more of the big bad world and we've now got opportunities like never before.

    I can still think of plenty of issues where resentment runs deep with the UK but it's all relative. Our resentment towards the Argentine government and in particular this mad bitch at the moment makes our feeling towards the UK look more like an insatiable love affair.

    Think Dove
    So sorry we're no longer blindly obedient BOT peasants; seen and not heard.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (76) Joe Bloggs

    You say:
    “ My parents' generation always said “you get what you get and you don't get upset”
    I say:
    Laddie, you will soon enough find out how right your ”parent's generation“ is.

    You say:
    ”Our feeling towards the UK look more like an insatiable love affair“.
    I say:
    Yeahhh... As long as it doesn't take more than a quarter and they pay the drinks.

    You say:
    ”We're no longer blindly obedient BOT peasants; seen and not heard”.
    I say:
    Nope.... You have become blindly obedient expensive BOT peasants; strident and haughty.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @77

    Fortunately what 'you say' regarding the Falklands does not actually matter at all, for all the effect your opinion has you might as well write it on a million peso note and wipe your arse with it.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    77 Think

    ... and none of it has anything to do with you or your chum old man. Incidentally, my parents are long gone after living to a ripe old age. So I'm not sure how old I'll be before I subscribe to their mantra that basically means “you don't try to rock the boat and you certainly don't try to make a better life for yourself and your children”.

    I am not one of our new generation of fishing-money-educated. Far from it. My mantra is “you work hard for what you want and there's no reason why you can't get it”. That's what I tell my kids every day. They are in a fantastic position to take advantage of whatever higher education they choose and their career choices are outstanding.

    Unless you're another Argentine troll who has a more direct interest in the whole issue than you like to own up to, what on earth has it got to do with you you silly old deadbeat? Go and get your 35mm slides out and relive the halcyon days in your head again. They probably get better each time. You've probably got some photos of your chum in there somewhere when he was a useful young man in the 70s. Instead of the bitter and spiteful prick he is now.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    74 2012
    one hundred days to go.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @77 For people who don't care what you and I think they spend a lot of time and effort slagging us off. The charmless lack of humour with which they do it and their readiness to resort to foul and offensive language does them no credit. These are not people you would want to be sat next to at a dinner party.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    81 Doveoverdover
    Humour is such a subjective thing isn't it? I mean you clearly find calling us inbred, under- educated, ignorant and stupid absolutely hilarious, and acceptable, provided you don't use 'foul and offensive language'.
    I doubt we ever will sit next to each other at a dinner party, but if we did, I think you would be surprised how polite I can be in company that doesn't feel compelled to dish out insults with both hands.
    I like to think you would behave better in the real world as well. Unfortunately, I think you probably mix in circles where that kind of talk (ignorant Bennies, stills, ungrateful blighters fnarr fnarr) goes down pretty well over the port and cigars.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    They do say,
    if you sit with Animals,

    you should act like animals,
    ,,,,,,,,,,,
    still,
    the british always were different,from the rest,,
    acting like gentlemen..

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    81
    You don't fool anyone and you need not worry about me sitting next to you at a dinner party; you wouldn't get an invite.

    I've been to more of your dinner parties, officers mess dining in nights, CBFI/ CBFSAI residence dinners, Government House dinners and receptions than I can recall. What a pile of nonsense they generally are. I avoid them like the plague. No matter how many events I decline they keep inviting me. Ironically the only things I tend to go to most times are the RN ship cocktail parties and dinners. Now those I do enjoy but I've never met a bitter, spiteful prick like you at any of them.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (78) WestisBest
    I like your Fox-BayPatagonian style, mate
    Don’t sugar-coat it ;-)

    (79) Joe Bloggs
    I ”Think” you are misinterpreting the wise words your ”Parent’s generation” tried to pass-on to you….

    Take three deeeeep breaths and read them slooooowly again……:
    ”You get what you get and you don't get upset”
    Got it now?

    Happy about your kids….. The world is wide open for them to pick…. Hope they do….

    You ask:
    “What on earth has it got to do with you”
    I’ll assume you are talking about the “Malvinas Issue”
    As I have said many times before ….. I’m just your average Argie pissed off by Britain’s colonial objective of appropriating some 12,000,000 square km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory, adjacent to Argentina.

    (81) Doveoverdover
    Believe it or not, I have sat with worst people at many a campfire……
    You will have to excuse the Kelpers foul and offensive language…..
    They are fighting for something very precious for them….
    They are fighting for their right of being millonaires…

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 2012

    @80 briton Jack the Ripper

    You don't worth a shit! Shut up stupid child!

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    82 Monty

    Spot on. I'd also like to add to your list of compliments this officer and gentlemen has made since i've been aware of him. In the first ever post of his I read he was bragging about his son's upcoming trip to the Falklands and how he was going to increase our gene pool. I think that's what Marine Addis may have been doing also.

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (87) Joe Bloggs

    Now we are talking Joe!
    Any more info about him or his whereabouts?
    Where you at that specific dinner-party, perhaps?

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @88 Think

    Think - I think you're a decent person (you like Dave Gilmour, after all) and you go fishing (how was it BTW?)

    Can you please tell 2012 to STFU as he/she/it must *surely* be an embarrassment to your “side”? I love intelligent debate and banter...but really!

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @85
    “I’m just your average Argie pissed off by Britain’s colonial objective of appropriating some 12,000,000 square km of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory, adjacent to Argentina.”
    If you give the Amerindians their land back, decolonising Argentina and return to Europe you won't have to worry about colonialism any longer will you?

    Sep 21st, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    87 Joe Bloggs “I think that's what Marine Addis may have been doing also”
    Tell her mother that “Joe” or perhaps you should ask your friend at Byron Marine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APNNnCtNZ20

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    QEClassCarriers' photostream
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/qeclasscarriers/

    Thinking of you Argies,
    We thought you all might like to see this,

    Apparently your coin celebrates the recovery of the islands, but is worth only [26 pence] WOW,

    You have recovered NOTHING,
    CFK has given you nothing,
    And in 3 years time, the carriers will be ready,
    [Time is running out]
    You had better get your rowing boats out now,

    Why,,
    Because this is the last chance you will ever have of getting them,
    Act now, and save,
    Two for one offer,
    Ends 31st dec 2012,
    Ha ha ha ….
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Still,
    If you cant take a joke,
    Then don’t vote for comedians to run ya county,
    ,,,,,,,
    2012,
    Your tongue is far to advanced for your brain.
    And there is only 99 days to go,

    .

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    How crude & transparent Think.
    Trying to drive a wedge between the UK & the Falklands.
    You'd like that wouldn't you?
    lt must be galling for you, poor Thinkus, brooding up in the mountains(stolen usurped mountains, l might add)& realising that your feeble country will NEVER get the Falklands.
    So you will do ANYTHING to win, won't you dear?
    lts fun watching your shennanigans & listening to your country's lies.
    And its such a shame. Argentina could be the showcase of South America.
    You've got minerals, good farmland, fresh water, oil, fish. But you are obsessed with some islands off your coast that donot belong to you.
    You don't own the Southern Ocean or Antarctica, Think.
    Just saying its yours doesn't make it so.
    Concentrate on your own(stolen)land & keep your nose out of Falkland affairs.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (87) Joe Bloggs
    Had a couple of drinks too many yesterday evening and got cocky remembering some Pom Gang-Bashing………….… huhhh?
    I suppose you will, from now on, keep your silence about young Mr. Addis.
    As all the rest of the Islanders do……

    (89) Steveu
    Fishing was good, under the circumstances…… (I’m exploring the fly-fishing potential of the Patagonian Atlantic coast…)
    About Ms. 2012, Mr. Conqueror etc. etc. etc…..
    Reading MercoPress is like listening to Short Wave radio in the old days.
    You had to endure all that background noise………….

    (93) lsolde
    Moi...,”Trying to drive a wedge between the UK & the Falklands” ???

    I “Think” you Pom-Brtts and Kelp-Brits are doing a perfectly fine job on your own without any outside intervention, dearest.

    Love to the cats….

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    93 Trying to drive a wedge between the UK & the Falklands.

    Shows just how desperate they've become.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @93 The crude and transparent Think is not alone in driving a wedge between the residents of the Falkland Islands and those of the UK. The simple solution to this perceived and unwelcome separation of the ways is the French Guiana option. Incorporate the Islands into the Isle of Wight parliamentary and local government constituencies (or another that takes your fancy, say Dover or Aberdeen) and rename the Legislative Assembly as the Falklands Islands Parish Council.

    Perhaps one of the FI residents with status could introduce this option to the referendum debate, because, of course, I don't have a say.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    well there are a few unemployed in the UK at the moment. Great chance to get work!!

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    96
    You were better pompous.
    Now you're just being stupid.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    *93 what school were you educated at in Melbourne?? Let´s see if you ever were in Melbourne?!

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @98 By Gad, Sir! Englander is Right! The idea is stupid. We must give it our full support.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    100
    No medals for being pathetic either, you silly old Argentinian fraud.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    101 Was it stupid and pathetic when, in 2003, a Legislative Councillor wrote: “it is very unlikely that the Falklands would choose, in the foreseeable future, any route other than some form of devolved integration with the United Kingdom”?

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    The naval officer reported to the base doctor. The doctor looked up and couldn't believe the sight of the officer standing there with a frog stuck to the top of his head.

    Doctor: “What on earth happened to you?”
    Frog: “Well, it started off as just a small spot on my arse...”

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (102) Doveoverdover

    And you were accusing them Kelpers about not having humor?
    (103)=British Army humor at its best!

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @103 Thanks Joe for some great comic relief. As the Iowa farmer said “I aint laffed that much since the hogs et mi mother-in-law”

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    A joke is a joke,

    But what if they don’t laugh,
    Who then will look silly?

    Montgomery 1944 ishy..
    .

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    102
    Comparing the FIG to a Parish Council on the Isle of Wight is pathetic. Good speech though in 2003 made some very good points don't you think?

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    As part of an ecumenical exchange, a rabbi is invited to an evening meal at a monastery. After a delightful meal one of the monks stands up and says “281” There are a few quiet giggles, then another stands up and says “356” Again more giggles.

    Intrigued as to what is going on, the rabbi enquires of the abbot about what the numbers mean. “Well” says the abbot, “we have been living together for so many years that know all each others jokes, so to save having to repeat them, we have given each of them a number, its simply a way of saving time.”

    “Why don't you have a go?” suggests the abbot. So the rabbi stands up and says “2829”. All the monks suddenly collapse in fits of unrestrained laughter. Finally the abbot restrains himself with great difficulty. The rabbi asks, “Why is my joke so funny?”
    The monk replies “They haven't heard that one before!”

    “Can I tell another one?”he asks?
    “Yes” replies the Abbott. “103” he calls out. Silence. “Why silence?” he asks. “ Because it isn't original and it isn't funny” says the Abbott.

    Roll on Monday and a new set of stories for heavens sake.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    So the Rabbi has another go.
    He says “647”.
    Dead silence.
    So then the Rabbi says “l suppose that one isn't funny either”
    “Oh its not that” says the monk, “its just the way you tell it”
    @99 Argentine sunshine.
    Corryong High School,
    which is in North-Eastern Victoria, not Melbourne.
    Where were you educated?

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussie sunshine

    *109 St Joseph´s (Marist Brothers) College. North Fitzroy.Melbourne.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    109
    Hmmm, impressed, you turned a God awful joke into something rather amusing.

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    102 Doveoverdover
    Well, he lost his seat in the big clear out, and has returned singing a different tune. Isn't democracy a fine thing?

    I don't think your option will be on the referendum paper. It doesn't seem all that appealing.

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @112 How pleasant to read an input that doesn't rely for it's impact on a profanity or a crude reference to body parts. It deserves positive acknowledgement.

    Democracy is a fine thing so long as you are careful to define the boundary of your electorate. I look forward to confirmation of just who does have a vote.

    If the referendum were to address the options the UN considers as sufficient to get a non-self governing territory off the list of same, some acknowledgement of integration as an option would be necessary.

    Unappealing options will need to be presented for forceful rejection if the authors of the Referendum question are looking for credibility. After all, the whole point of this exercise is PR because you all know what you want anyway. I can only guess what the FCO wants but I have a good idea it isn't integration or independence.

    Thank you again for your kind response.

    DoD

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    113 Doveoverdover
    I've looked back through my posts on this thread and I can't find a single profanity or reference to body parts. You must have me confused with somebody else.

    I believe that everyone on the electoral roll will be eligible to vote in the referendum. I agree that the question should include an option for independence. I don't think it will; the prevailing view so far is that it needs to be a simple yes/ no question.
    I don't think that 'what you all want' is as simple and straightforward as you seem to think.

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    I can't see why an option for independence should not be added.

    It would help the islanders image in the world and after all, the UN's preferred status for the FIs is independence (it says so on the resolutions asking the UK and Argentina to talk).
    But such a question would have to be qualified by the continuing protection of the Falkland Islands by the UK (as per Belize).
    If the Falkland Islanders do not wish independence then the majority of Islanders will not vote for it, but it would send a strong signal if independence got the second highest vote demonstrating that the islanders want to remain British because |Argentina cannnot be trusted.

    I'm not sure that the Falkland Islands being a constituency in the UK parliament would be better than the situation now which appears to be moving further towards autonomy where the Islanders make a better job of running their economy than the UK (and a much much better job than Argentina).

    Politically, ruling out independence even if it cannot realistically take place in the next few years might be a mistake, though my opinion as an Englishman is ancillary as the islanders are entitled to choose exactly which status they want as qualified in the UN's options for de-colonised countries (which Argentina ignores).

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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