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PM Cameron anticipates further cuts in public spending to reduce the deficit
Britain will have to keep cutting public spending to reduce the budget deficit, Prime Minister David Cameron said, underlining the government's tough task of trying to shunt the economy out of recession and winning back waning public support. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPruning the welfare state is long overdue anyway. Time for the chavs to lose their cig, lager and Sky TV money.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0”There will have to be further cuts”.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU BULLY CAME-MORON!!!!
Attack the weak and the defenceless!! hound the disabled and those single mums who want to stay at home and look after their children....
Leave those who can not work out on the street because you've taken away their benefits!!!
You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you and your little b*tch Nick Clegg.
For every single mother on benefits there is a DEAD-BEAT father not paying for their child. If they were paying the full amount to for raising their child they would not need anything but minimum benefits. I absolutely support having a benefit system to support the young, old, disabled, genuinely sick and short-term help for people falling on hard times. I happily pay taxes, 1/3 of which goes towards paying benefits to other people. But I do not support paying for benefits used as an alternative way of life.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0If a mother wants to stay at home to look after their child they need to plan financially. We have some of the most generous maternity leave and benefits in the world. If people working hard and paying into the system have to think carefully about being able to raise another child, why should that not apply to people not working and paying into the system?
Raising the next generation is one of the most important responsibilities and it should not be taken lightly.
Further austerity might be necessary but it should come with the initiation or increase of charges for State services made available (defence, diplomacy, judiciary etc) to the likes of Jersey, the Cayman Islands and the Isle of Man.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is sad really. Hitting the poor and defenceless while spending billions on defence.It sucks!! How long can this coalition government exist.Elections NOW!!!
Oct 08th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor and defenceless? I think you need to look at the proposals more carefully. EVERYONE is having to pay more and get less because of the rampant unaffordable spending of the last government.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would you vote in the election you are calling for?
He reminds us of his descendents,
Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lords, landowners, and the like,
They had the same idea,
Let the plebs do all the work and the rich will get richer,
Cut back on help for the plebs, and our mates can share the fruits of their labour.
Nothing has changed,
Today they want the plebs to work more for less,
So they can give billions of our money away to their friend and overlords in Europe,
Ho, and overseas aid.
Nothing changes but the rags they wear..
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Hello Everyone,
Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To stimulate its economy, the UK should leave the ubiquitous yet utterly democratically unrepresentative, corruption-ridden EU and go back to trading with whom British industry wishes. At present, the EU prohibits the UK from signing its own unilateral trade deals with whom it pleases –all such matters are controlled by the unelected mandarins, in Brussels.
EU membership costs the UK some 50 million sterling daily, net!!!. It sells much more to us than we to it –so any consequent “punitive” measures against the UK would hurt EU manufacturers too much to be even contemplated. Finally, Europe’s economic power is in decline and inexorably becoming eclipsed by that of the BRIC nations. So what are our feckless frigging politicians waiting for?
If it weren’t for the fact that UKIP is far too Banker-friendly and denies the clear evidence that climate change is the result of irresponsible human activity, I’d join the bloody party, myself!!!
Jim, in Madrid, Spain.
at least UKIP can change jim.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0labour had 13 years,
and the conns are just getting started.
if we dont get out, they will take us down the plug hole with them.
The rediculous situation here though is that Osborne has failed completely to reduce spending, in fact it has increased. So much for austerity!
Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW Jim, you are absolutely correct and the sooner the better.
The GDP of the Commonwealth has overtaken that of the EU anyway - it wouldn't be difficult to strengthen trade links with them if we weren't hamstrung by the Eurocrats.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You only have to switch on your television set and look at what is happening in the Euro zone”
Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He forgot to say...
If you can afford the electricity bill, the BBC license and SkyNews fees of course.
Meanwhile KaMoron solution is further cuts, austerity, borrowing, QE for banks, more recession, unemployment, Homeless, plus promote business and flex taxes for the super rich Sirs and Lords...
It is not what Spain was doing and now is bailing out?
Why for KaMoron will be different?
Or is just telling Brits to switch the Telly to see their near future?
6# Just a minute there Elaine,you really are saying a lot aren't you.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cuts are applying all over Europe at the very least.And you think in the UK,the previous gvt is to blame.Why do you want me to think that.Is it because you want me to think that this gvt is a good one and that they do things well and intelligently.Well,Elaine,her who cares about the uk's future generation,they increased student fees didn't they.They will spend money making it look like young people are training when they are keeping off the unemployment figures,while others cannot afford uni fees and stay away from education.A great future awaits and educational book sales will decline.
Incidentally Elaine,what part does the recession have in the cutting exercise,and was that the previous gvt's fault(esp it's impact on Spain's situation).Is your failure to compete in the world,or your over-rating of your value and hence what you pay yourselves got nothing to do with any of this.
Oh no of course, its those lazy men and promiscuous women to blame isn't it.Not you Elaine is it.
@13 Wow, I didn't realise my words carried so much weight with you.Interesting.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your thoughts are all over the place. My point is that too much money was spent by the last populist government and the level of borrowing has to be reduced. I expect, like the K's, that they thought they could spend, spend, spend and growth would continue. If spending has to be cut the burden must be spread across all sections of society. I don't think the current government is great at all but I think TB's government was criminal for mismanagement and lying.
Do a little research on the number of people in the UK that have never worked, have no intention of working, who's parents didn't work and are producing children that will never work. It is really sad that the system has created a sub-section of society that have no self-esteem or sense of worth because they don't understand the value of working and earning their own money.
I don't personally hold myself responsible for the world recession and it is kinda weird that you think I have that much power.
“The economy is healing. But it's a longer and harder road that we have to travel down,”
Oct 08th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If “London Dave” says so, it must be true!
Are the Brits so gullible really. Didn't they say they were healing four years ago in Austerity 2009?
14#Elaine I am not suprised you like the argentine people,excepting the kirschner'family', but think so badly about your own.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point about the cuts in the USA have made them and they didn't have your populist gvt.Is it a bacteria they made.I thought it was the capitalist cycle that can't be missed.Do you think I'm wrong and why.
@16 You don't make any sense but I will explain this to you. There is nothing wrong with casting a critical eye over one's country. In fact, there is much to learn from doing so.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nationalism vs. patriotism
Patriotism is based on affection and nationalism is rooted in rivalry and resentment. One can say that nationalism is militant by nature and patriotism is based on peace.
Most nationalists assume that their country is better than any other, whereas patriots believe that their country is one of the best and can be improved in many ways. Patriots tend to believe in friendly relations with other countries while some nationalists don’t.
In patriotism, people all over the world are considered equal but nationalism implies that only the people belonging to one’s own country should be considered one’s equal.
A patriotic person tends to tolerate criticism and tries to learn something new from it, but a nationalist cannot tolerate any criticism and considers it an insult.
Nationalism makes one to think only of one’s country’s virtues and not its deficiencies. Nationalism can also make one contemptuous of the virtues of other nations. Patriotism, on the other hand, pertains to value responsibilities rather than just valuing loyalty towards one’s own country.
Argentines are nationalist.
British are patriotic.
This is sad really. The most voulnerable have the most to sufer with these measures. The effects of these measures are the same no matter where they take place. Resulting in less employmentt, less medicine, less education, and more poverty of the weak and inncocent. Hopefully there will be solutions found for Europe soon. Meanwhile, more being spent on her Magesty's “armed forces”. Britain must keep the flag flying way up high for all to see
Oct 08th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://dtelepathy.zendesk.com/attachments/token/vll8ysar61oxwqx/?name=pirate-flag-xb.gif
British are patriotic
Oct 08th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true very true.
@17
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the F.UK does your anguished views on Argentines have to do with this topic?
The topic is, U.K and its dire financial straits.
@ 20 TTT, I was responding to 16. He brought up Argentines. Try reading slowly before you post.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not an excuse, you tell me to stay in topic even when others deviate from it, or are you living up to your British roots and being a hypocrite?
Stay in topic, and get ready for Austerity #3, 4, 5 and 6.
Like I told you months ago, you are just getting started with this. The funny thing is the more austerity you do the more austerity you need to do. And you said I was wrong.
Yuleno went off topic and I politely responded. Why don't you try to moderate him?
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't respond to your comments on austerity, Captain Obvious. Next you will be telling us Nelson Mandela has been released.
The British are Monéyotic nòt Pàtriotic.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 ElaineB
Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Raising the next generation is one of the most important responsibilities and it should not be taken lightly”
Couldn't agree with you more Elaine. unfortunately successive governments have either not learnt this or are ignoring it. Yes, I see the need to stop those women who choose getting pregnant as a career and those council estate toe-rags who think claiming benefit and dealing drugs is an acceptable way of life.
But DO NOT pressure a woman who WANTS to stay at home and be there for when her kids come from school. DO NOT make out that she is doing something wrong when she wants to do that. It is a far more responsible thing she does than these women who squeeze one out and then shove them into child care at 6 months old.
Have you been to one of those places? Kids, 6 months to 5 years old dropped off at 6 o' clock in the morning and not picked up until 6 o' clock at night. A whole generation who has been disconnected from their parents. who see them for about 2 hours a day at the most. just when they are getting picked up and just when they are being put to bed.
Is that the best they can hope for? forming a greater attachment to their carers than to their own mum and dad? no wonder this country is so f**ked up, kids don't respect their parents 'cos they don't bond with them, don't see them. A whole generation, the future of our country brought up to understand that human relationships and “family” don't mean s**t, just as long as you earn lots...........
Thanks Came-moron but no thanks. Yet again, the government has picked the wrong target. Stay at home mothers should be cherished and encouraged, just like breast-feeding mothers. NOT made to feel dirty and like they are doing something wrong. They are bringing up the next generation and should be celebrated and not be told to “Get back to work” and what is that other offensive piece of b*llsh*t?? oh yeah “start contributing to the economy”
You really are a clown Cameron
@25
Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it's any consolation, eventually London Dave won't have any picking and choosing to do. He will have picked every single one of you...
... pick you dry that is. Just like the French, Italians, Spanish, Dutch, Belgians, and most of the rest of Europe are and will be.
Austerity #3, #4, #5 and #6. On their way.
Are you sure Cameron has targeted stay-at-home mothers? I listened to George Osbourne's speech today and I didn't hear that. I didn't hear the PM attacking breast-feeding mothers either.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I absolutely agree that the majority of mothers are best at home bringing up their children before they start school. In most cases it is best that a child is cared for by a parent (mother or father) in their formative years.So, why not financially plan for that? But even if they have not there is not question of them losing benefits for staying at home. The ONLY rumour has been that families where parents do not work may not have their child benefit increased over a certain number of children. They would still receive all the other benefits, housing, unemployment, free prescriptions etc.
Working parents - either one or both - have to plan for the expense of children so why shouldn't that same measure be applied to people not working but living on benefits?
But another area touched on in reducing benefits is to perfectly able-bodied young adults. Something I happen to agree with because the longer they are are unemployed the more likely they will never work. There has to be incentive. Some self-respect and responsibility. A sense that they contribute to society.
I think the real message here is that all sections of society are going to feel the pinch. No one is going to be dog poor like the villa miseries, but no one should expect a free ride.
I am smiling a little. If you knew the nature of my work you wouldn't doubt my commitment to the plight of women in society. I repeat again, for every single mother there is a father. Why don't they get so much heat?
27 ElaineB
Oct 08th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They did. Do you remember the CSA? and what a roaring success that was, might I add. sending the bill for child care to dead fathers, billing the same father twice, exposing young children to all sorts of wrongness because the paying fathers now wanted visiting rights.
Tracking down ex-boyfriends for girls who were in abusive relationships and thought they had escaped only to be told that their ex-partners now knew where they were again.......... oh the list of it's achievements goes on and on................
Gordon Brown said it... That's where I heard it before. I knew some idiot had said it. On the subject of stay at home mum's. He told Jon Snow that they should “Get back to work” ASAP and “start contributing to the economy” all things considered I think that Came-moron is set to continue his good work and pick the easy target instead of council estate toe-rags, teenage girls who think that a baby is a passport to an easy life and people who just think that it's “ok” to be on the dole.
The stupidity of this government never ceases to amaze me.........
What a disaster that country is. Only diference between then and Spain is London still can rally the banks around 'nationalism' in order not to drive their interest through the roof. If they had no London City (which is also full of corruption as revealed by LIBOR), they'd be already in need of a bailout from the EU.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe in lots of help, but free will.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom is more important to the spirit than food.
Most Poor:
North Korea
Entitlements took two generations to turn from a country that fed themselves to half a million dead from straight famine. Command economy.
And if you escape the country like dude did this week, it's the three generation rule: your children and your parents are arrested and put in the prison cities.
Least Poor:
the bottom 10% of Singaporeans make $1500 a month, their apts range between $18-to the jumbo massive size $250 a month homes.
Getting of topic seems to be the vogue here.I think it's because it's too difficult to stay on it.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After 2years of gvt the current regime is having to make more cuts.
a/because the last gvt spent too much.
b/because the current regime spends too much.
c/The last one borrowed too much.
d/this one spends too much
e/this gvt has caused a deeper recession than the previous one and the tax take has declined.
And there are other reason/ causes but our friend,Elaine thinks a bunch of welfare takers and the last gvt is the causes.
It should have been easy to address if that was the case.It seems that the new gvt has no idea what's wrong,growth,spending or SA not helping out buying British stuff they overprice or SA doesn't want.Should have got more trade from Brasil,I guess.
You see....is not only Argentina that is having bad economic times....
Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK is telling to the whole world....the recession continues... and more cuts should be made....to surive!
lol
@28 Yeah, the CSA was a badly run organisation that cost more than it collected.
Oct 08th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But there has to be a deterrent to assuming everyone else is going to pick up the tab. You know, personal responsibility. Women as well as men have to take responsibility. The only suggestion I have heard is that child benefit won't be increased over a certain number of children. I haven't heard that women are going to singled out.
But really this is all about appeasing middle-England. It is always the middle-class that bear the brunt of recession and cut-backs. They are never going to accept the squeeze on their income when they think the unemployed, never-want-to be-employed are still getting endless handouts. I have every sympathy for workers that through no fault of their own lose their jobs and can't get another straight away. They deserve help and support.
“IMF cuts growth forecast for UK”
Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 008 Oct 2012
“The Chancellor suffered a blow as the International Monetary Fund slashed its forecast for UK growth, in its sharpest downwards revision for any advanced economy”
Looking good Camoron keep the good job.
@toooldtodieyoung
Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I have to admit that I agree, growing up a new human been is a full time job, requires a lot of dedication and is time consuming.
So why not to be pay for doing that?
If a parent desire to take full time dedication for their children in the end it not better for the society as a whole in the future?
I know that necons that like to live in 1830 they will preferred have British to work like dogs and not having children, after all if they are short of worker in the future they will import new workers from cheaper places with the Euphemism of multicultural society and tolerance.
Oh! I guess they have been doing that since long time ago...
@ ElaineB
George Osbourne is a calamity he is encouraging workers to give up their rights in exchange of share of the company where they are working. We all know how that ends up... Workers fired for no reason and with shares with depressed value that the same owner will buy back for pennies. But he will not rise a penny taxes to bankers and richer Sir Lords that have profited from the sweet easy money made from the huge debt taken buy them.
Why poor have to pay the debt of the Sirs Lords, bankers and rich politicians?
“I think the real message here is that all sections of society are going to feel the pinch”
Really? You are so naive I guess.
Why don’t you rise the taxes for bankers, Sirs Lords and co?
The only ones that are going to feel the pinch are the weaker as always it is.
Don’t you understand how the full scam works?
The richer encourage govt to get huge debt that are taken by them while providing cheap credits for people to by their products and services. When the system is ready to collapse all them get bailouts and the poor and workers have to pay the economy disaster caused by necon richer elite. In the process they double, triple their fortunes, buy assets abroad and wait for the next booming time.
Can you give any explanation why a banker is more important than women with children?
I love the hypocrisy of the Argentinian supporters.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They on one hand dismiss the IMF if criticism is aimed at Argentina but support it when it is critical of the UK.
@35 I don't agree at all with George on workers swapping rights for shares. Employment law is very strong in the UK (though not as strong as Germany where it is almost impossible to sack any worker no matter how bad they are) and their rights protect them. If I were an employee, I wouldn't take the bribe. Why would anyone give up their employee rights for the liabilities and responsibilities of shareholding without substantial reward?
Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are South American's so obsessed with class and money? I can only assume it is the lack of social mobility there. In the US and the UK you can be born to a humble beginning, work hard, use your brains, and become rich. No one hates you for it. In SoAm anyone with any money is 'the evil rich'. Is it because there is no chance of anyone moving from poor to rich?
And how do you square that hatred of the rich with having CFKC as President. She LOVES all the trapping of wealth and flaunts it. Shouldn't you be hating her for being so rich when so many of her 'subjects' are dirt-poor?
I think after 2years of the new gvt there would be growth but no there isn't.Nor in the USA and not much in Europe.How can SA continue to grow if it doesn't trade within SA and the rest of the world,the others are deflating the world economy.A form of protectionism I believe.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 It is a world recession. Even the developing nations like China and Brazil are experiencing less growth. It will be another year before we see any progress and then many more years before the economies recovers.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No country is immune. Some will suffer more than others. The real shame is there are no world leaders with balls at the moment.
@ ElaineB
Oct 09th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can only assume it is the lack of social mobility there. In the US and the UK you can be born to a humble beginning, work hard, use your brains, and become rich”
Really? None get rich in UK or US just by working hard or by using her/his brain madam I would like to know what you consider to be rich to start with.
For example KaMoron personal assets is considered to be 4m pounds 6,48 million dollars.
Do you think he is rich?
When I talk about rich I think in really rich, big fish having billions of US dollars not just upper middle class with few millions dollars in assets.
I don’t consider Queen Cristina with 25millions to be a so rich person as you say but she is doing pretty well.
So don’t panic at least you don’t have more than 50m USD in asset we will not hate you...
The UK Debt Bombshell tic tic tic booooooooooooooooom!
Oct 09th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is broke!
Kamoron is worst than CFK!
41
Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You speak utter rubbish.
Your predictions are as good as winning the war of 82.
Hey Elaine!!!
Oct 09th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How much sense must I be making when the likes of DanyBerger starts to agree with me?
I've just re-read my comment at 25 and you know what? for a moment it almost sounded like I knew what I was talking about. In some sad, small way, it actually sounded like I had something to say. I can pride myself with a job well done.
Oh, by the way, 41 adorable
call me paranoid but isn't the phrasing and style of the post a lot like SussieUS / 2012 ????
@ 42 briton
Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0come on....read the UK national debt clock.....YOUr country is broke!
@ 43 too old to keep living..... aka Joe Blogs.....aka sel-determination aka british bulldog...same phrasing and style of a big stupid!....hihihi
The UK is not broke,
Oct 09th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it does have debts,
its biggest problem, is it gives billions of our money to others,
whilst demanding cutbacks of it own people,
so either we are not very wise,
or the others are very lucky.lol.
Elaine
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasil and china are experiencing less what did you say.
I believe Brasil Argentina china and many other countries are progressing today.Admittedly Europe UK and USA appear to be declining,or as you think,are worst hit in this global downturn.
If these countries where to promote trade and growth,are they concerned they would not grow as they would fail to compete.Are they sticking at this point and refusing to twist.
@45 briton
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! come on ...read the UK national debt clock reaching 2 trillon by 2013...
you dont belive what you read.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you !
The UK is flat broke, the “royals” scandals are unacceptable and briton is a rubbish bloody OLD MAN!
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sticks and stones,
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Envy and jealousy,
I wouldn't put Argentina in the same bracket at China or Brazil. Argentina is way behind and moving swiftly downhill.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Listening to Cameron's conference speech, I don't hear him singling out mothers at all. I can't say I agree with the man on very much but I totally agree with housing benefit caps and making people actually work rather than live a life on benefits. It undermines the whole concept of cradle-to-grave welfare and healthcare when some people see it as an alternative to working. /rant.
Politics eh, interesting to see nothing has changed and alway's good for heated debate in the pub :)
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do find I agree with Elaine on most of what she states, the problem with our benifit system is it pay's for some not to seek work, many have no goal in life and are more than happy to claim benifits when they are capable of working.
As somebody I know once said “why should I work? As long as I've got enough money for my baccer & a few tinnies on a Saturday night I'm happy”. His wife doesn't work, nor does any of his kids who are all grown up. We also have a generation who refuse to work because they believe some jobs are beneath them such as cleaners, production line workers etc.
as a result company's hire immigrant workers who then ship their wages abroad. This attitude to work has been caused by a too generous benefit system, I am all for the genuine needy to recieve what is right and for those who GENUINLY cannot work to recieve benefits to lead a comfortuble life. We also need to route out benefit fraudsters, how many of us knows somebody claiming dissability who in real fairness shouldn't be entitled to it? Driving around in a brand new car renewed every few years, tax and insurance free, when all that is wrong with them is natural old age or obesity, these claims are increasing every year and seem no longer just for the genuine dissabled.
I also believe the wealthy should do a little more too, unfortunately protecting the wealthy is a Conservative trait. We need to stop overseas aid until we become more stable & quit making payments to the EU and pull out.
However we look at it, we are in a bit of a mess & cuts or raised taxes will affect most, we just need to buckle down and get on with it.
@52 I know of two families close to me. Both have two parents and two children.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The working family have two professional parents and their children went to state schools, have some but not all luxuries. No play stations, labelled clothing or TVs in their rooms. They had one family holiday a year and usually in the UK
The unemployed family have two permanently unemployed parents and their children have everything. Every new gadget, TV's and computers in their rooms, 52” TV in the sitting room, holidays, labelled clothing, all paid for with benefits (plus a cash-in hand part time job).
The working family's children are both now at University paying student fees and both with clear career goals.
The unemployed family's children are both unemployed. One spends all day playing his playstation (or whatever they have now). The other rarely gets out of bed. They are the lost generation.
They are able-bodied, moderately intelligent young men - though their social skills are lacking - who should be taking pride in working and contributing to society. It has to stop.
I also agree that the tax avoiders should be tracked down and made to pay. The lost revenue is more than we pay out in benefits.
52#and53#
Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your stories are very interesting.It leaves me with the feeling that you are not coping with things as well as you would like.I don't think there is a solution in sight.Your economy is declining and your ability to compete is becoming less favourable increasingly.The country is not creating enough jobs(proper jobs*asMT said) for welfare payments to decrease soon.(you know unemployment has been high since Thatcher's time and the ability to compete in the world should improved since then,but the country failed to do that and has ended up with a higher level of unemployment.So you must get used to people not working,there are not enough jobs.What it is,is you don't like them getting so much benefits while you want more for yourselves but have no bargaining power and therefore have to accept what you are given)
The moral is-you are in decline and it is not nice when you are accustomed to feeling good about yourselves as doing the world a favour in return for a comfortable lifestyle.The world is changing as is the climate.Cameron can only think for his own class.Not to worry.
54
Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly are you on? Did you actually read posts 52 & 53?
I think you will find we have full confidence in a full recovery, we were merely suggesting areas that we see as being 'soft' for benefit louts or tax evaders.
There is work in the UK if people want it or are willing to undertake any job, what Elaine & I was proffessing is that the state has become too soft.
We will be back soon. not that we ever went away.
Argentina however has never nor will ever be there.
55# please tell me what you think the unemployment figure is,how many young people are on training projects and how many job vacancies there are. Then you can tell me what your hopes are.And you can tell me whether the UK is declining faster in the 21st cent than it was in the last decade of the 20th cent.
Oct 11th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way I believe Cameron highlighted it was a choice between decline or getting off ones backs in a conference speech.However I don't think it as easy as he makes out seen as the conservative want high unemployment to depress wages and with a large proportion of the population unproductive they are handicapping the effort.Of course they'll be meaning earnings on capital and not everyone's improvement,won't he
ha ha I like to see optimist people they never lost hope even deaths.
Oct 12th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in the real world UK's GDP going to the drains faster and recession hitting again...
I guess at this rate hardly would be among Turkey, Australia, Spain, Iran or may be even fighting to not be surpassed for Jamaica.
57# they don't like hearing the truth they like only the good things and they are getting fewer for more of them,so they stop listening
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