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Ghana court to rule Thursday on the release of Argentina’s Navy vessel
The case of the seized Argentine naval ship ARA Libertad was heard on Tuesday by a Ghana Commercial Court which will rule on Thursday whether to release the vessel impounded on arrival last week at the Port of Tema, according to the official Ghana News Agency. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWarship?!? HAHAHA!!!
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder the Argentine government thinks it is still 1833 if they think ARA Libertad is a warship!
However, we wait to see what the judgement of the court is, but Argentina's international reputation slips further everyday.
@1 Joe Blogs
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Callate stupidito ingles with a big arse!
I think SInger was very nice to offer to release the ship for an immediate payment of u$20MM. I guess the Rgs don'r want it back that badly.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just wonder what is next, I bet Mr Singer is having fun watching them squirm.
@1 LEP
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“However, we wait to see what the judgement of the court is, ”
Yes, the court needs to legally confiscate the boat, to give it international validity.
Arifu Gobakuwi and his African brothers should be commended for their integrity and the courts too, for following steadfastly, the proper rules of law, to retrieve assets from the defaulting borrower.
I can't see Ghana keeping hold of this ship. There isn't a great deal of benefit for them coming down on the side of a vulture fund.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The various court proceedings are being done to show potential investors in the country that they take the relevant action required and follow protocol - even if the eventual outcome has been decided at a political level.
Damian, You might be surprised to learn that in civilized countries they respect the rule of law and most politicians are very hesitant to involved in court proceedings.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if you think this is settled, let's see siding with a NYC Billionaire Investor or a deadbeat country that restricts imports.
Hmm seems like a no brainer to me.
Damian - nice to see that they took the correct steps though, instead of turning a blind eye or allowing themselves to be bullied.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least it will get a court hearing and a response from Argentina.
As you say, their display of integrity should reassure investors that foreign owned assets will be treated ethically in some countries.
Oh Ghana
Oct 09th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shame on you.
And here I was, lemonade in one hand, popcorn in the other,
Waiting for the fun to start.
Come on, go for it..
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8 briton (#) What kind of “fun” are you expecting to start from this?
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No idea, one cannot predict the future.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if you have seen bailiffs,
Then you know what to expect.
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Besides this ship is an asset to you,
So you need to send your special forces to get it,
If talking fails,
Do you think they will settle and give the ship back.
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Yes I do think that it will be returned. Taking this ship will not get the Volture funds the money they claim. This is an unlawful seizure. Just like any attempt to take Tango 1 or Airliners would be. This later scenarios have has already been declared unlawful in US Courts.
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is too much not being said by Governments involved here. It seems as if not even the Ghanan press nor it's government agencies know much oranything about what is happening.
The solution to settle this dispute is for both parties to meet half way on the amount to be paid and cancel these debts. Else, this will continue to no avail and blood could be spilled unncecessarily at some point.
Both sides need to mdeclare half a victory and move on.
I am sure Singer would take 1/2 of the money he is owned. Has CFK offered it?
Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope.
Deadbeats filthy filthy deadbeats
Bye Bye IMF WOrld Bank IDB G 20
Merry Christmas
ProRG Argentinian aka The Liar In Chief
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Been having confidence building lessons from La Camping-it-up then I see from this post:
”The solution to settle this dispute is for both parties to meet half way on the amount to be paid and cancel these debts. Else, this will continue to no avail and blood could be spilled unncecessarily (sic) at some point.“
AG has had plenty of time to settle the debts that it owes since 2001 but has not done so and is now going to reap the rewards that all crooks need to experience.
Why would anybody in their right mind talk to AG unless the money owed had been paid into an escrow account beforehand? There would be no point as the whole world knows talk is cheap and Argentina is definitely cheap and untrustworthy.
And what’s with the crap ”blood could be spilled unnecessarily”? The last time AG was anywhere near blood it was in 1982 and it was mostly their own blood that got spilled.
Your so called government are a bunch of craven cowards with no honour whatsoever and even less morals. But then, you being cast in the same mould, you already know all about that.
What the argentine trolls are failing to forget....they took someones money with the promise to give it back, which they never did. I call that stealing......people, ordinary people invested their money in those bonds also and LOST them because the scumbags did not give back what they took. argentina stole money.....plain and simple. Yet they call the people that want their money back vultures.(spelling correct)
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 011 - You clearly havent a clue how it works do you. If they are awarded the ship then the value of the that they get for it at auction will be deducted from what argentina owe them. Argentina will still owe the rest of the debt. So i see more assets like tango 1 being seized in the future.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and its not an unlawful siezure either. Read the article pecifically the 2nd to last paragraph which makes it clear the immunity does not apply to this ship.
As for “and blood could be spilled unncecessarily at some point” - well since you have no other ocean going vessel, how is any blood going to be spilt? Are you going to build an armada of rowing boats and send your army rowing across the atlantic to invade Ghana!
Well heres a little sung for you all to sing whilst your doing it. “Row Row Row You're Boat Gentlely Cross The Sea.......” lol.
“Yet they call the people that want their money back vultures.”
Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good point.
People that take money, saying they will pay it back, but then, do not pay it back, are called, “welchers”.
So they pay $10M and get their boat back....it sails to the next port, gets arrested, they pay their $10M and get their boat back... and so it goes on...
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet that, if they get their boat back, she never 'goes foreign' again...
Ditto Tango One
11 ProRG_American - while a 50/50 split may sound equitable it's not going to happen. Firstly Argentina doesn't want to change it's position from refusing to pay to haggling over the amount as that would in itself be a victory for the hedge fund. Secondly you would then find the other hold-outs and those that accepted a haircut would start making similar demands. Finally I believe that the reserves are already earmarked to make the regular payments to the creditors that did agree to the restructuring. I don't know the Argentine government budget in detail but the desperate dollar clamp doesn't indicate they have any spare to throw around.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0While it's a beautiful ship it's value is a drop in the ocean compared to the debts so win or lose the hedge fund has made a far more important move in terms of pressure than it has done in recovering it's debts.
Eventually Argentina will get a president that wants to put the country back in the normal fold of international relations and it's not going to happen until this is resolved.
There should be a commando attack with the best sea captains of Burkina Faso's military and end the hostage situation of several argentine citizens in that shithole of a country. The fact people are being held against their will makes them no better than Mali or Somalia.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The crew are free to leave whenever they like. If they were hostages don't you think CFK would be screaming her head off about it? I'm pretty sure the Ghanians, the hedge fund and even the crew themselves would all like them to leave. It is only in the interests of Argentina that they stay because they need a crew to sail her home should she be released.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0However you keep dreaming of your commando attack if it makes you feel better. I'd love to see Argentina try that and make a fast getaway in a sailing ship. Even the local skiffs with an outboard would be faster.
Your seething hatred of Argentina is rather tiring.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I'm not interested in that. Countries like Burkina Faso should be an example for everyone, we don't meddle in other's affairs and don't pretend that nations like the UK or US respect us, even if like Ghana put up a front of legalist order.
@19 Arfu
Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There should be a commando attack with the best sea captains of Burkina Faso's military and end the hostage situation of several argentine citizens in that shithole of a country. The fact people are being held against their will makes them no better than Mali or Somalia.”
Really, Arifu, “shithole of a country”???
Is that any way to speak of your fellow Africans, in a stable, democratic, sovereign nation??
I am surprised. I thought you would be justifiably proud of them.
@19,21 So you think the proper way to respond to international law is by military action? And you wonder why people think of Argentina as uninvestable?
Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0To quote that eminent philosopher Ashley Cole, #BUNCHOFTWATS
19 - wow what support from Africa, we now have a pro RG African poster on the forum. What a master plan from Le Campora control to get the trolls to register an african sounding name to post on this article. Scratch the surface and you can see that 19- Posts on RG related articles as well, but the clever fox he is mentions africa every now and then, wow Sherlock Holmes wouldnt of seen through this , inspired.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know they are desperate when they have to pretend to be from other countries. We have British_Cretin, ProRG_American, Guzz, the Sussie collection and now another pretending to be African.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shall we get the admin to do an IP check on these fraudsters?
If you google “Arifu Gobakuwi ” you'll find he's been kicked off the aviation forums - unless there are two people on earth with such a daft name.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0'another pretending to be African.' ...
Oct 10th, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not just any old african... but a Burkino Fasoan... maybe he got to the Ghanaian coast on the Ouagadougou ChooChoo?
This statement clearly shows hes just an argentina african wannabe - “There should be a commando attack with the best sea captains of Burkina Faso's military”
Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Last time i checked Burkina Faso was a small largely unknown land locked country - So i'd love to know why or how they would have any SEA captains!!
You know some argentines here, really ought to learn to do their homework. It would sure help to improve their level of education lol.
It all boils down to pay back money when you owe it, its simple really, but then what can you expect of a Country like Argie Land.......soon when they all wake up to see all the damage KK is doing it will be far to late...............the whole Country will BR LOL
Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 019. You are as African as I am. 2 times in 2 days you have offered typical Rg solutions to a simple problem. Both violent and over the top and not even in the realm of possibility for your weak and destitute country.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since you pretend to be so smart why don't you walk us through how Argentina would carry out a commando assault by invading another country and rescuing over 200 hostages?
Step 1 Assemble a Trained Commando Team
2-9999 please fill in ...please no fantasy
Step 10000 how do they get 200+ people out of Ghana
This is what you should do before you post something completely idiotic again...
@19 That should be funny. Burkino Faso is land-locked and has no navy. According to research, it doesn't even have a fishing industry. Where do they get these “sea captains” from? As it happens, they also seem to be a bit short on rivers!
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Are you getting tired of our “seething hatred” of argieland (aka the cesspit)? Good! Why don't you shut up?
@29 Seems to me that this is going the right way. I like Frank's idea of the vessel getting arrested in every port it enters. Meanwhile, perhaps St Helena could extend its territorial waters in order to “cut off” the route “home”. Hms Dauntless, there's another job for you. You need to patrol the Gulf of Guinea and stand by for boarding exercises.
Yankee he is so stupid pretending to be from Ghana that is it funny. I suggest that when he has another meltdown and identity crisis, he chnage his writing syntax and style and of course his references.....lol
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 we got more chance of seeing these mystical Burkino Faso Sea Captains he mentioned then we have of seeing him giving up his day job of having multiple indentity crisis's on mercopress each day. lol
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 032. I bet Toby dreams of being Gabriella Sabatini every day.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's true these argentinians have their thing with cross dressing and chicks with dickss..:(
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a US citizen I sure don't feel like defending a bunch of vulture investors who extracted ungodly interest rates with no intention of risking their capital, especially knowing tax payers, courts or the military would protect them. I say let them take the loss like everyone else has had to do in this recession (depression).
Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tomi, If you were a US citizen you would know citizens fight their battles in courts the military has nothing to do with collecting debts.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rg idiot.
Look at all the clueless minds searching the wikipedia to learn about Burkina Faso. Real informed gentlemen know everything about the homeland.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like they deleted your vacation pictures, possibly because you stole them from somehwhere else so you could pretend you actually could leave Mendoza?
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Minus Burkina Faso, 200 lands to go...!
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/970717/
Arifu Gobakuwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted Sun Oct 16 2005 07:24:47 your local time (6 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 771 times:
I made it clear to you two days ago.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea what's begun here.
Please everyone allow the process to unfold before engaging in unwarranted rhetoric, both sides.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yeah TH EUNDERTAKER...
Oct 10th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oooh we are all so scared!!
A poor under-educated boy from a less than 3rd world country living in forgotten bankrupt province is going to cause me problems. The only way that will happen is if my gardener doesn't' show up to plant my winter flowers.
tompaine.....this statement alone tells me you are about as America as my ass is a gourmet meal:
Oct 10th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“especially knowing tax payers, courts or the military would protect them”
Care to tell us where you are from?
#38 tittyboi, only you ference wikipedia, thats a la campora trining tool, their bible of knowledge for idiots.
@11
Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“blood could be spilled unncecessarily at some point. ”
Yes, Argentine blood unnecessarily spilled as in 1982.
Argentinian peronists are not really masters of cause and effect are they?
However it would be hilarious to see what task force Argentina assembles to invade Ghana.
40. Please lay out your Ghana hostage rescue in detail. We are all waiting to see how smart you really are!
Oct 10th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee, the RG's have been diligently working on things behind the scenes. Amazon just processed a massive shipment of “SEAL TEAM 6”, “DELTA FORCE 1” and “BEHIND ENEMY LINES” video games the the argentine military. It would appear they are seriously training for a snatch operation.....unfortunately they forgot to buy the Xbox.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 040... What would you know about it, your trolling from ba!!!!
Oct 10th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine The Rgs will scape together the small sum of cash and pay up, it's a warning..pay your debts
46. Yes I too have put on a tin foil hat. I think the UNDERTAKER is listening to my thoughts.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would bet in the next 6 months you will see a lot of the spanish speaking call centers being shut down so it will give them a lot more bandwidth. That is probably why they are waiting to bring me us all down.
If you don't think the military protects the interests of corporate investors I refer you to one one the most heroic Americans I can think of. Please read War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Butler. Written a long time ago but definitely relevant today.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can pay ghana the 20 million Argentine pesos if they give us a receipt for the cancelation of the complete vulture fund debt. I think Argentine will extend the favor when ghanas turn comes up.
Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#49 you need to stay current, that was a century ago. Unless you've worn an American military uniform, I suggest you stick to the little you think you know. Military protects American interests, not corporations. Support your statement please. Not utube, cite where and when the US military protects corporations without a national interest at stake?
Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dollars PH......that would be 125 million pesos......today, tomorrow....130 million.
Intriguing that despite claiming to be from a mainly Islamic Sudanic speaking country Arifu Gobakuwi has a Swahili name and types impeccable English, even though he would have to be using a Burkina Faso keyboard or a French one....which if anybody knows is virtually impossible to type impeccable English with!
Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arifu (I'll play along)
Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you think of these apples?:
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Ghana-wont-to-free-Argentina-warship-20121011
52, But when he types German the T and H are replaced with ZE ( one key) and the C is a K. Weird what kind of key board is that?
Oct 11th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, Are you readying your hostage rescue mission. Care to share it here so we can point out your errors or as I like to call it fantasies.
@53 Poppy
Oct 11th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link:
Ghana won't let CFK's boat go...
“Accra - A judge in Ghana on Thursday rejected a bid by Argentina to have one of its warships released from a port near Accra, where it is being held under a court order linked to a debt dispute.
”No sufficient basis has been made by the applicant [Argentina] to set aside this court order. The motion is dismissed,“ said Judge Richard Adjei Frimpong of the Commercial Court in Accra.”
Maybe the Falklands should just confiscate the Argentinian war materiels when they try to invade.
The precedent has been set now.
Even though the request may be legally accepted, the Ghanaian government is violating the Vienna Agreements because the ship was on an official invitation (guest) in the country and granted permission to dock. Furthermore it is an Argentine Navy ship (and an Embassy as well) so it is considered a warship and hence Argentine sovereign soil. There are 8 Uruguayans, 15 Chileans, Brazilians and other nationals on board. The captain should dismiss the unlawful court order and leave port immediately without any other argument with the locals (under fire if necessary). If unable, Argentina can now call on UNASUR support of the ARA and send a military mission to escort the ship safely out of harbor. A call to Itamaray is due to free up the Sao Paolo; now back in Rio, in case that Ghana refuses to abide by International Law. If UNASUR allows this flagrant violation we must as well burn the Geneva Accords. Its credibility is now at stake.
Oct 11th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The case must be brought forth into an emergency session of the UN and OAS to make clear that there is a rescue mission under way under International Law and not an act of war. UNASUR must explain its position clearly to the AU that there is no attempt to harm neither Ghanan property nor lives and that it is only a mission to secure safe passage under International Law.
Let the diplomats solve the issue later.
It it was a warship....defend itself....teehee...sure! The government can invite and not be aware of the law until someone, in the case a creditor, takes an action. Rgland waived dipliomatic immunity over this debt. Deal with it. Charter a damn jet and get and get the crew home!
Oct 11th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0++++++++++++++NEWS FLASH++++++++++++++++++
“ Argentina is not even flying its presidential plane anywhere until it has the assurance of the destination country that they are not going to seize it at the request of NML.”
++++++++++++Aborad the Libertad+++++++++++++
“We are ambassadors and we stay here to build better relationships with the countries we visit,” said Luís Melicán, chief of communications on board the Libertad.
“But we have been visiting lots of tourist sites whilst the ship is held in the port. We have been to hotel swimming pools and we have been going to the mall. It's not too bad for us.”
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Perhaps they do not WANT to return......bahahahahahaha
56 ProRG_Argentinean aka The Liar In Chief
Oct 11th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not read the judgement then or just lying through your teeth as usual?
NO OFFICIAL INVITATION COULD BE PRODUCED IN COURT.
Also, the sovereignty of the 'warship', what a hoot, was overruled by the numb-nuts waiving sovereignty on the bonds. This they had to do before anybody with a half-a-brain would buy them. People with a full brain knew better than trust any argie government.
You just will not accept that this bunch of second-rate crooks 'running' (ha, ha) the country cannot tell the truth if their lives depended on it.
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