MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina trusts in a ‘political solution’ with Ghana to release ARA Libertad
The Argentine Navy Secretary General Luis María González Day, expressed confidence on Sunday that the joint ministerial commission that went to Ghana to seek the release of the training vessel ARA Libertad will reach a successful agreement. Read full article
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Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or a suitcase stuffed full of the countries remaining US Dollars
The international courts sounds like an excellent place to end the illegal detention of 'libertad.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 ALEX VARGAS
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about a' non-binding UN Resolution ' to work it out between Argentina
and the USA, but leave Ghana out of it?
Of course, they only have less than 90 days now and Christmas is coming and bureaucracies more slowly etc etc ...
The ship will be forfeited, but then there will be 1 or 2 million $$$ in Port Fees for Argentina, pay court costs, ship the crew home...
Fuks sez 'Argentina is willing to take the conflict to courts if necessary'.....
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a goose.... its the courts that have arrested her...
So I guess what he is really saying is that if bribes dont work they will go *back* to the courts
The trainee crew don't have to stay on board.....
Its OK for Argentina to seize assets like YPF but when the one of their assets is held the courts are always wrong.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of all the stories we've had about Argentina over the years this one has definitly been the most entertaining.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm hoping the hedge fund can get on with auctioning the ship without any further reference to the Argentine shennanigans to reclaim her.
I agree the irony has been sweet.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think a solution will be reached and the ship will sail back to Argentina. However, even if NML are not successful they will not give up. They have nothing to lose, everything to gain, and endless money and time to recover the debt. Every time anything of value leaves Argentina it will be fair game and NML will be successful eventually.
Apparently Tango 1 is currently in the USA “for maintenance” - I'm left wondering if that has been discretely seized too.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its a good way of demilitarising the SWA - seize all the Latam military assets in the north.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trusts in political solution my arse, you better get your cheque book out Argies and none of that peso shit!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0A political solution? does that mean a Argentine Bribe?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one, Argentina's wishes for the demilitarisation of the South Atlantic are coming to fruition.
For the life of me I can't understand why US tax payers should protect deregulated nontransparent hedge funds through US federal courts. We as tax payers pay for the infrastructure of the court systen and yet average Americans cannot buy into these funds. If you believe in deregulation you should believe hedge funds should protect themselves.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0How are you claiming US taxpayers are involved?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Frank are you some kind of idiot.You think there is only one court.Judge Judy's is it.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find the number of people who like Somalian methods and hostile acts so admirable when the Yanqui is involved.Creeps.
“Argentina insists on the Vienna convention on diplomatic immunity”. What convention is that then? I can't find one. I can find the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, but that doesn't mention “warships”. Only diplomatic missions. It does say that “immovable” items in a mission can't be seized. But this is a ship! It's intended to move. Or be moved. Go ahead, Ghana, stick with the law. US$20 million or seize it!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again, where would Argentina take this matter? I'm guessing they think it should go to the Hague. That would be at least a 2 year process.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0What happens if they lose? Do they ignore it like the judgements from the other international courts currently have with Argentina? The 10s of Billions that the USA wants paid immediately!
The arrogance of these people is astounding. They want to use the courts when it suits them but ignore the outcome when it doesn't.
They are truly disgusting deadbeat scofflaws.
14. Idlehands from the story “ARA Libertad has been retained in the port of Tema since last 2 October following an injunction placed by a US federal court”
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0A debt is a commodity. It has value and does not just disappear as CFKC thinks it will if she flouts the law long enough. If she had any skills at all as a politician she would never have let this escalate to this level. Her arrogance might be attractive to the domestic audience - though even they are becoming tired of it - but it does not play well internationally.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NML have deep pockets and will pursue this debt until it is paid. Hedge funds may be unregulated but they are NOT illegal.
The Argentine government cannot claim any moral high ground when it flouts the law and steals companies.
TP until you know how the US judicial system works, stay in your tree.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 018. Your lack of knowledge of the USA court system is pretty astounding for an American. One would think you did not grow up in the USA.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy, idiot, imbecile or moron comes to mind. Which one are you?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it would be wise to wait and see,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0will the argies make fools of themselve Agian.
or will they change the subject Agian.
Hedge funds are not illegal yet but they should be. You either believe in deregulation or you don't. It is Monday morning and I'm excited to see the paid propagandists back on this forum. Participation was sparse over the weekend. Under Goebbels I'm sure propaganda was 24/7. Such dedication ElaineB.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the big-mouthes of the ck kitchen crew thiefs claim that they were cheated. what a joke!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now they fight on the backs of the ship´s crew and foreign visitors to get their toy back, even by court which can take months. i strongly hope that ghana stays to its decision and claims the money for the fund. it is refreshing to see that there is a country who doesn´t follow the robber line of the arg government.
Tommy, Are you attacking me because we called out your ignorance of the US judicial system?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is Mendoza today?
I heard there was no electricity in Northern BA Province last night or today.
That's nice
What happens when all the electricity and gas firms collapse? Do you think Cfk will take them over and raise rates 300-500%?
Probably.
Also 1st article I have read in BA about Hyperinflation coming.
Hmm who said the only path for Argentina is Devaluation/Hyperinflation/ Depression
Psst It was me for the whole time I have been posting
I wonder why it too the newspapers a year or so to catch on
who pays to feed them, whilst on the ship
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tompaine.Ole yankeeboy is all three of your descriptions.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He doesn't think so.He thinks his contempt for Argentina will mask his stupidity,and posters that agree with him,who also function on negative thoughts on Argentina,re-enforce his self opinion.
Isn't it common knowledge that there are issues about hedge funds and whether they are a reputable activity in capitalism,or something negative while they are unregulated.
@24 What's up, pain? No arguments, so you're down to ad hominem already? Your pals in La Campora telling you how to do it? You do realise that Thomas Paine was English, don't you? He also supported the French Revolution. But the French didn't like him. And, when he died, only 6 people attended his funeral. In addition, he was a failure at most of the jobs he had. What a role model for an argie!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy, I only attack after being attacked! Like I said, you being an idiot wouldn't understand that. By the way, how on earth do propagandist feel gratified preaching to the choir all day? You see, because you and your other friend propagandists don't speak Spanish no one else is listening. You better hope your employer does't figure this out. An unemployed Yankeeboy would be sad because you seem to have limited skills.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0corruption index, Argentina #100, Ghana #69
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
it's possible they find a “solution” for this, but i doubt it. Argentina is out of hard currency pronto.
Wouldn't it just be easier for Argentina to start dialogue with NLM to seek a solution with paying up.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At Tompaine, Yankeeboy asked a question that seemed reasonable enough to ask - do you know the US legal sytem. Do you need to resort to insults when someone gives you an awkward question that you can't/don't want to answer??
Tompaine
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are living up to your tag, at least the paine bit.
You anoint Yankeeboy with labels more suited to yourself whilst continuing to display the most lamentable lack of knowledge of your own countries legal system.
In the first instance a simple claim under the civil court would kick everything off for Singer.
As you are incapable of finding out the court charges for yourself, they are here:
http://www.nycourts.gov/courts/nyc/civil/fees.shtml
These are just the start of course. The real costs are the lawyers, but Singer will have a 'plague of lawyers' working for him anyway.
If you continue with this mendacious attack on western posters we will begin to think you are an argie troll. You have, after all, the necessary intellect for it. I am sure even you understand the sarcasm in the last sentence.
Surely a hedge fund has to pay for federal court time? Still don't see how it affects US taxpayers.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NB Why does everyone have a downer on such an eco freindly fund as one that likes to plant bushes? Maybe they want to buy CFKs too?
Argentina may think that this is about politics, but it isn't. This is about upholding international law.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International law that the Argentine government has flouted for years. There is no political solution to this problem of theirs, it is a financail solution that is needed.
So Argentine government, cough up US$20,000,000 from the absolute abundance of dollars that your President boasted that you had (only second to the USA in the amount you hold) and start paying off your debts.
Maybe if you show good faith in paying your debts, the international community may start investing in Argentina.
I won't hold my breath though.
@32 Yes, it would be the sensible solution. Instead the Argentine government runs around like a spoilt child crying ' It's not fair'. The problem is, it is perfectly fair and within the law. (Whether or not it is morally palatable is another topic entirely).
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFKC always plays the victim, rather like her supporters.
18. Your lack of knowledge of the USA court system is pretty astounding for an American. One would think you did not grow up in the USA.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you consider this an attack you are very immature, thin skinned and weak minded. Definitely Argentinian.
It is annoying how these Argie-trolls claim to be from other countries.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone can see through it, it's pointless to carry on.
Many can actually live abroad and even speak other languages, but you can never hide the Argie-logic, it's one of a kind.
@35
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe if you showed respect for non-British lifeforms, the world would start respecting you back. Just sayin.
29. TPaine was English - There were no Americans before the Revolutionary War. I guess you missed that in Wikipedia. These are the times that try mens' souls. We needed T Paine t inspire us to kick English ass. And yes the French helped us too.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Yankeeboy was fully and thoroughly traumatized by that mythological character Truth Telling Troll. He believes any person that threatens his mindset (a clam has enough mental prowess to achieve this with him), must be “toby in Mendoza”.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow he must have been irreparably cortically scarred by that legend of Mercopress lore.
@39 - AG
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This isn't about Britain (Tobias - your racism is showing through again!), this is about Argentina not paying debts that she owes.
You make a sweeping statement (typical TTT) about me regarding respect. You don't know me, or have any idea who I respect. What I will tell you is that I don't respect any government that lies, cheats, steals and bullies it's own people, let alone the people of other countries.
Respect is earned, pretend African (TTT), and the Argentine government has done little to earn the respect of its own people, let alone people from other countries.
Now after years of believing they have 'got away' with stealing people's money, the Argentine government has been humiliated on the international stage.
Whether Argentina gets this vessel back or not is irrelevant. How Argentina responds to this situation is relevant. So far, the Argentine government's words and actions have been woefully lacking in substance, truth and strength.
The world knows for sure that Argentina is in deep financial trouble when they can't cough up a mere US$20,000,000 (a mere drop in the ocean compared to a national budget surely?) to get their ship back.
I would also advise the Argentine representatives not to attempt to bribe the Ghanaians. Just think of how much kudos the Ghanaian government would get exposing Argentina for attempted bribery!
We live in interesting times, it seems.
@33
Oct 15th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'plague of lawyers'
Sorry dear boy but I believe that the collective noun you are looking for is 'eloquence. An eloquence of lawyers.
Murkypress have failed to update this story with the funniest bit . Govt newspapers like Pagina 12 are trying to blame the Navy for this fiasco , alleging that Navy chiefs are in league with NML and deliberately sailed the ship to Ghana so that it could be siezed. Opposition papers , notably Clarin , are publishing the truth , which is that the Navy questioned the wisdom of going to Ghana , but were ordered there by both Puricelli and Timmerman . This issue is seriously polarising the country ,and has cost KK any political goodwill she had left , which is why the trolls are either keeping a very low profile or desperately tying to change the subject .
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By arguing with the court the government is simply pushing the cost of recovery up . If they abandon the ship , the Kirchnerite legacy will be destroyed , she will have to cave in .
CFK is lost, going downhill fast,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0looking for a way out,
looking for someone to blame,
and no doubt if she could some how , some way blame the british she would.
33. ChrisR. I can see you are an expert on trolls. What kind of corporate troll are you? Shame on you for only preaching to the choir. You have to admit, you really don't have anything relevant to say. Who pays for the judge and the infrastructure of American courts. The answer is the American taxpayer. I am tired of these vulture capitalist that have brought the world economies close to collapse. Of course they want bailed out. Investment without risk is not the deregulated way.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 044. Yep it looks like CFKs cabinet is about to collapse under the weight of their lies.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh I hope so!!
Gleefully awaiting the total and humiliating collapse of Argentina!
@43
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry dear subjugated Welshman but I believe the general noun you are looking for is pettifoggers.
An eloquence of pettifoggers and a thimblerigger.
@28 Hedge funds are regulated. Both in the U.S. and Europe.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 You get respect when you earn it. Argieland hasn't earned any respect in the last 70 years, rather the contrary. You haven't earned any either.
@40 “TPaine was English”. I said that, didn't I? My actual words were “You do realise that Thomas Paine was English, don't you?” So what's your point? And yes, “the French helped you”. How? “France, Spain and the Dutch Republic all secretly provided supplies, ammunition and weapons to the revolutionaries starting early in 1776.” Didn't stop the Royal Navy capturing New York, did it? And the French didn't do too well, did they? Their involvement ruined France's economy and drove the country into massive debt. Neither did it get the Americans either Canada or, at that time, Florida.
I see that no argie troll has been able to find the “vienna convention on diplomatic immunity”. Nor have they chosen to explain how this non-existent convention exempts the Libertad from detention or seizure. And so argieland fails again!
@48
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect.
Tw@t
Correct, you are subjugated. Ever since 1200.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-205528-2012-10-14.html
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-205528-2012-10-14.html
Pagina 12 says the foreign office blames the navy & Clarin says the navy blames Timmerman.
Either way they're a ship down.
49. Proves my point - you have nothing relevant to say. You'd be lost without Wikipedia. Truly, what is your point. Oh, I know it's to bash Argentina all day like your corporate masters instruct you. Is the best job you can find?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 T-P
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“29. TPaine was English - There were no Americans before the Revolutionary War. ”
Hmmmm, sound famsame as there was no Argentina before BA left Spain
Incorrect, I am free
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tw@t
Did you know assualt with a deadly weapon is up 21% this year in Buenos Aires?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's an awful lot considering the Rg posters here say how peaceful and lovely it is there,
I wonder who to believe?
@55 ... unlike the Libertad. What delightful irony.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you believe the people when it come to inflation, but not the official statistics.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore you believe the statistics when it comes to crime.
There could be another theory: you are tin foil american right wing nut who believes the news reports/statistics that reinforce his world-view, and calls those that don't a grand conspiracy.
There was an interesting article in a sunday magazine about this new phenomenon. In the USA the conservatives said a few weeks ago that the economic reports and election polls where a fraud, a massive global conspiracy involving media, government, the UN, and individuals.
Last few days, election polls have turne in favor of the conservative, and some economic reports have been more negative. Those same exact people now bruit about those polls and statistics as the 2nd coming of the Tablets of Moses.
What a bunch of quacked people, to use the data sources that some weeks ago they purported to be the work of the Antichrist, because now they work in their favor.
Sad stuff, that is the new tin foil American society.
Who said I believed the Arg crime stat? I don't I think most crime in Argentina is under reported for a few reasons, citizens are afraid of the police, the police are uber-corrupt, the gov't wants to have lower crime stats.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would bet the increase in violent crime, kidnappings, assaults and robberies is much much higher than the stats show.
First thing someone told me when I moved to BA is never to call the Police it will cause much more problems that whatever you were calling about.
@55
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
@59
La Bonaerense is just as bad as any American police department. In other provinces they are no where near as trigger happy, rotten, and corrupt.
la campora must have finally killed of truth telling troll, aka....titty boi for being so incompetently stupid. It was about time, he was having a serious role crisis from the constant stress of trying to support egomaniacs. May he RIP. I hear they do not have ceremonies at the lab at la ca,pora, they just flush them do the toilet and wipe their ass.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three choices for ARA Libertad 1-The Hudson next to the Intrepid 2- Boston Harbor next to Old Ironside, the USS Constituion, or 3-Mystic Connecticut at the Sea Musuem with the other ships. Its a draw bridge so she can get in there.
@60
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wanker syndrome
stop changing the topic troll
@62
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your captors treating you well huh? But... do you have a Welsh passport? Do you have the recognition of the worl as a unique culture and society? Can you close the border if you wanted to? Can you desist from having to join wars of agression your captors initiate?
you really know nothing. Wales is a principality, not a soverign. You might find more luck if you used that line of argument with scotland. Stop changing the subject.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since Argentina is one of the most corrupt countries in the world your statement is utterly false.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever been to BA? Seen the cops smoking and talking on their cell phones while crimes are committed RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM?
56#
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder who to believe?
You can believe Tom Paine,yankeeboy.You are stupid from reading too much and trying to apply it to your prejudices.
Conkerer.you also seem to read but not understand.Hedge funds are not sufficiently regulated.They have emerged from regulation that is established for a different vehicle.This is generally acknowledge within investment circles.You know different dont you.Keep reading.Look for regulation and business law specific to hedge funds.
@64
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes most captive learn to accept their new names too, that's part of the brainwashing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF_nNmgiAf4
youtubamaniac's is typical of those that cannot find sufficient facts.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are the Rgs still to broke to get their flag ship back?????????
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or is it someone else fault as usual
The RG's have a substantial “book of blame, the RG way”
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arifu, I asked a friend of mine who has a house in Pinamar if he knows your shop. After rolling on the floor laughing he said No,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any way you could post the address or website for us?
I would love to buy some jade and obsidian for Christmas gifts,
I know business must be really tough there.
When was the last time you could import anything to sell?
There are LOTS and LOTs of small shops closed on Florida, Santa Fe and Recoleta Ave. I bet you could open another location very cheaply in BA now.
Thanks!
Yankeeboy, funny! I was just walking down Santa Fe ave this morning and noticed several Xerox machines being taken in to a local business. So what's your point? Paid propagandist, what a lowlife of a job yoy have!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when I was there in February there were a lot closed storefronts along Santa Fe. I image there will be a lot more when I return.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 073. Good point! When I was in Los Angeles about a month ago I noticed the same thing. Might be the same in many world cities since the great recession caused by errant bankers happened.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the machines were being repossessed and taken back to Xerox?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt Xerox has been able to import anything for a very very long time. I think they talked to the US State about that already. I think your Prez got a little ear full last time she saw Obama.
It is also the reason in Dec your ill be thrown out of IMF/WB/IDB and most likely G20.
It is hard when you lose the support of the USA...
That ship will be so pretty sitting in NY Harbor.
Must be restful to snuggle at the bottom of the global judicial barrel http://worldjusticeproject.org/country/argentina
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 075. Sounds like free trade you're so proud of. Americans are not dissatisfied with Argentina. We are on the side of the UK when it comes to the Faulklands. Many people in Argentina do not support the current Argentine government when it comes to the Faulklands either. But your attempt to constantly bad mouth the Argentine people is ignorant and non productive. Look at it this way, if Argentina's economy falls you'll be out of work. Your corporate trolls aren't going to keep paying you for propaganda after that. Your world is so black and white.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 046 Tompaine
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will be gentle as you have not been on here before, at least under the tag you have now.
I am a Brit, a retired professional engineer and businessman.
I am not a corporate (whatever you mean that to be) but I do intensely dislike those who abuse those from western society when they themselves have demonstrated traits associated with the AG misfits known as malvinistas or peronistas.
AG knowingly sold these bonds without sovereign immunity, because they could not get buyers otherwise. Some bondholders for whatever reason took the 30% offer, others did not.
Singer then bought the hold-out bonds and has pursued the AGs for their debts at face value plus interest, just as if AG had honoured them as they should have.
Now, please tell me what is the problem with that? You may not like Singer, so what? You may not like your civil court time being used for battles of this nature, but so what? It is what the court is there for.
Given your attitude to a legal action, I take it that you blame Singer and others like him for your financial misfortune?
You are wrong. It was the responsibility of OBarmy (when he was a Senator), the FED and our BoE who failed us miserably by not understanding what derivatives were in the first place and then not banning them in the second.
An American who doesn't' understand free trade and supports the flagrant disregard for treaties, contracts and the rule of law, hmm odd.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds more like an Rg than an American to me.
Excitedly waiting for a complete and humiliating collapse
Should happen any time now.
BTW there isn't 1 person that grew up in the USA that would misspell Falklands.
Idiot
64 Welsh Wizard
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore him
Don’t give em sweets to play with,
They are but envious and jealous of the British,
Sticks and stones,
.
@67
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The five sovereigns of the Tudor dynasty are among the most well-known figures in British Royal history.
“ Of Welsh origin,” Henry VII succeeded in ending the Wars o the Roses between the houses of Lancaster and York to found the highly successful Tudor house. Henry VII, his son Henry VIII and his three children Edward VI, Mary I and Elizabeth I ruled for 118 eventful years.
Mind you boyo!! I do not suppose you have ever heard of the Tudors.
losers always complain.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bla bla bla .
Today in New York some Argie lawyers presented the case of the rightfully seized Fragata Libertad to about 50 international organizations. Guess how many responses they got? None! Kretina pay your debts and save your country, you are sooooo selfish!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tis argentina that is, in fact finished,,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any opponents to this .
.
if you can possitivly prove otherwise.
@67
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The surname Tudor, within the United Kingdom, originates from the Welsh forename Tewdwr, Tewdr or Tudur (the Welsh equivalent of Theodoric or Theodore).
The tudors were if fact welsh
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and peoples point is what.
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=658645
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A diplomat loosing sense. Un poroto al lado de Timmerman, Castro
No point, just a few historical facts for our RG/African friend, or could it be TTT?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom fyr ye Welsh.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye yee sassenach, us Scots shall be puttinr yer on yer bikes sooon too, we'r tyred of bing sent to waars that ur concocting, tyred of our lads coming back pan breid. Jeist accept'thats how tis to came 2014, on yer trolley noow.
yankeeboy yer looking habberdaashed t'day.
88
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you mean like [89]
the envy and greed of argies know no bounds.
@90
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hww daire ye call me argie? Am'ur nay! Look at me face! Do I look a boot?? I'm purrty and sexy. And I think yankeeboy the Septic is soow braw beatyful.
Dae'talk mince noow.
The latest news is now Commodore Alfredo Mario Blanco, and Admiral Luis María González Day have been suspended from the Argentine Navy. And of course they are being blamed for the Libertad being held in Ghana. Neither one of them are on the ship, of course. Once again Kretina has found someone to blame, in true Argentine style, they never take responsibility for the problems they've caused and they punish and murder their own (remember the poor 30,000 souls during the Junta). Kretina, grow up!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know realise or understand,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That if the Mayan prophecy really did come true,
Then its goodbye from him,
And goodbye from you.
Just a goodbye thought.
91
what makes you think, that the American man thinks the same wat as you.
So I hear pretty soon either the USA goes broke (big downgrades of debt coming soon the rumor has it), or there will be a massive tax hike that will lead to a depression, and a 20% cut in military which will mean the US can't even replace the bombs they will use in Iran.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 079. You got me, I misspelled Falklands. I am one of the few Americans who have actually been to the Falklands. It was on a Princess cruise in 2010. Ate fish and chips and took a tour to see the penguins. If you were American you'd understand how many of us can't spell. We also come up short when it comes to geography. We can all spot paid propagandists when we see them though. All countries have faults, but it is idiotic to totally diss a country because of one issue. Nobody still holds Briton accountable for the opium trade with China in the past.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Susan.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye, the bitch is jealous cos yopu tupped Simon Cowlell the nooh!
Very observant,
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But factually wrong,
In the last great recession, they actually built them selves out of it, and of course war helped a great deal,
Perhaps history will repeat it’s self.
One things for certain, those at the bottom should never ever wish, that those at the top,
Falls on them,
As those at the bottom will always get hurt.
boing
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#94 jungle boi-aka-titty boi-aka truth telling troll, point me to this article?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not any of those you address, but I will help you anyhow.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/white-house-dire-cuts-for-military-if-congress-fails-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff/2012/09/14/73d796d8-fe90-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
The funny thing about that is that Americans, both government and people, think those cuts are “optional”, in other words that they can be avoided.
No they can't, they will happen either on your terms or the markets terms, in two months or in two years (and then it will be far worse).
Your choice.
I would suggest you
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/white-house-dire-cuts-for-military-if-congress-fails-to-avoid-fiscal-cliff/2012/09/14/73d796d8-fe90-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
now while you still have a military.
What is with all of these fake accounts. Tobias are you schizophrenic?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not content with pretending to be African we've now got a fake sweaty sock too!
It seems Argentinians think its acceptable to post under numerous fake identities. It all seems very in-congruous.
100. I wonder where you call home.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Political leaders have joined thousands of Ghanaians for the funeral of president John Atta Mills, who came to symbolise Ghana's maturing democracy.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Dozy wanker!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 Why would I bother? It's argieland that is being chased for its huge debts, not the UK. Incidentally, 80% of all European hedge funds are based in the UK. Guess who's gunning for you?
@72 What was it? A pawn shop?
@77 Don't want any argies on OUR side. Might make it possible for some argie scum to escape retribution. Rules of engagement for any new “conflict”. If it moves - exterminate. No argie has ever been honest or truthful anyway.
@83 Love it! Please tell me they got booted out while everybody laughed themselves sick!
@89 & 91 Piss off, sussie. You've been reported.
@94 How can you “hear” anything? The interpretation of sound waves impacting the ear has to be done by a brain.
@95 “We can all spot paid propagandists when we see them though.” You can't. By the way, is that north American, central America or, with a few exceptions, the cesspit that is latin america?
@102
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Y?
Some on here seems to think Argentina is better than it thinks.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lost in the Falklands,
You’re losing with Ghana,
Perhaps you would like to make it 3 in a row,
And try your luck against the United States of America,
Still,
They do say 3rd time lucky.
Ha ha
Go on try it, you know you want to.
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Let me get this straight, losing to Ghana because... the boat isn't taken back by force? Woudn't such action be breaking international law?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you approve of the boat confiscation because you want international law respected (in this case, paying debts)?
So which one is it?
I think the answer is you are a bitter old man with a massive chip on your shoulder, and that boulder has Argentina chiseled all over.
103. I can spot an asswipe, just look in the mirror. You very well know which America I was talking about. Boy you sure showed all of us with your multi number response. Of course you must be an expert on cesspit. Especially a person with your outlook on life. Do you really think you add anything relevant to any conversation.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He thinks his country be-the-bomb, yet its in a severe recession, record budget deficits, soaring racism, and may not even exist as a country by Jan 1 2015.
108 Ysabel_Sarli
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never been to the UK, that is for certain.
Posting this utter twadlle is just hilarious.
If this is the best you can do I would go back to La Camping-it-up and ask for a new assignment because you are useless at this.
LOL
Nuke em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!............................oh that's right you can't, in fact you can't even send a real warship to scare them can you, pathetic, grow up. You whinge and whinge, threaten and threaten, and do fook all, just pay up and be done with it, your on a loser here, but your used to that, hope you don't need to send Tango one anywhere for maintenance, you wont see it again unless it's got British Airways logo on of course :o)
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey tittiy bou/truth telling troll/arifu, when you visist my country, learn how it works. And only stupid little SA jungle monkeys like you would reference ytube.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because they created a law does not make it constitutional jungle boi. SHe here in the USA, our President does not control congress or the judicial like in RGland. If you really think 20% the USA military will be cut, I have a nice boyfriend for you monkey boi.
20% loss is still bigger than all SA put together
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can see the seething hatred of Argentina in the last four or five post. Remarkable what a nukeless, warshipless, broke, poor, devalued, country can do. Poor dogs, the anti-argie racist crowd.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0110. Jesus man you can't be serious. Obviously you have a small penis.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christhepiss...
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me that I lie when I say the UK is in yet another severe recession.
Tell me that I lie when I say the UK is in record deficits.
Tell me that I lie when racist acts both individual and institutional have not risen.
Tell me that I lie when I say there is a chance that by 2015 the UK may be no more.
If you can't to any or all of those questions, keep yourself in all fours.
#114 So pirate hunter, with your penis envy statement is is obvious it's you......lololololololololol
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do you really think you add anything relevant to any conversation.”
Your penis statement sure is relavent. Obviously you only like large penis.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
When I talked penis I see who the first to respond is. Is that you Captain Kirk?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@114 no actually i am better endowed than most but heyho.............my statement @110 is known as sattire if you can't catch the balls don't throw them. @ 113 we are not broke we have nukes (lots of them) we have plenty of warships and Submarines, and a lot of dogs as well that probably have a better quality and standard of living than most of your population due to a certain CFK
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Radio Colifata - Argentina
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uubnBO9bdE
I am pretty sure they moved into Internet Posting
Hey slattzzz, I'll bet you've caught a few balls on your chin, if you know what I mean. Of course this is only satire. There are a lot of nukes in the UK but you and I both know no one would let a nimrod like you get near them!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong matey how do think I know so much about them, as for balls on chins thats your part of ship matey, they don't call you Guzz in another life do they?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121. In the words of Geoff Peterson the robot, “what the hell are you talking about?”
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whatever mate 6 years in faslane and coulport (google it). Nimrod fantastic piece of music, part of ship (google it), balls on chin, well carry on sweetie
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#2 i am sure the international court of justice will decide the outcome, this things take a lot of time and this ship is of no use to Argentina, fully operational it costs more money then scraping it. Not even mentioning how many navy's in the world still serve and train in a 16th century sail boat, this might very well be a blessing in disguise because Argentina really needs a nuclear defence program made in Argentine not a outdated tool used only for modern day enjoyment. Nuclear subs are way more useful. And by the way we didn't invite Ghana into the dispute they got invited by USA courts. Can't shift that blame on us! you looser?
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol let's not make up our minds on what the international courts will do, justice is what's important and the Argentine people want to see accountability from the elite, so let's open the IMF accounting books and see where the money went whom received it and when, as well as the how or why was the debt created. I am sure once it all becomes clear this vulture fund will have to pay both Argentine and Ghana the financial cost of their robbery and documented lies. Here is just a little sample of the global theft told by the head leader and no other then the creator of the scam.
www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2002/2-2.html
#7 ever since menem sold off all Argentine assets today in the expropriation war Argentina has a lot more to gain then to lose. Yes pride can be lost but a lot of thefted Argentine wealth will go back to our nation.
#8 I think montsanto and many world class airlines still land in Argentina don't they. How long do you think USA can push before us Argentine go on the street and take everything belonging to USA still in Argentina. I always admire castro's huge ba!!s to confront US trained terrorists.
#9 as soon as the international court decide to make expropriation legal, I am willing to pay Argentines to expropiate an airport from a Brit in entre rios.
#10 I got my expropriation list ready, just say the word.
I see you homosexual latency is out full blown....no pun. #122...you are really sad . Try staying on topic.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS
Most people do not care what you enjoy entering you, it's your body.
123. In the US nimrod means doofus! It's commendable that you served in the Royal Navy for 6 years, but remember when bragging about ordinance, “loose lips sink ships.” Also, remember, braggadocios behavior implies insecurity and weakness.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Toby has had yet another melt down. I really wish CFK would share her lithium with him these multi-personalities and other general craziness is out of control!
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Expulsion/Devaluation/Hyperinflation/Depression
125. You are right captain Kirk, I forgot the topic is relentlessly bad mouthing Argentina & not talking about what you and Spock do behind closed doors.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@126 try 28 years, 6 years in afore mentioned, and I ain't told you anything matey the truth would keep you awake at night, insecure and weakness aren't in my vocabulary, I'm proud of what i've done what have you done? No lies tell the truth. GUZZ
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how none of the new posters want to be Argentinian any longer
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't blame them one bit
I defer to you. I haven't done anything to compare to you. I respect your service and won't mess with you any more. We all have a right to express ourselves, but I believe your opinions outweigh mine.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103# Concurrer.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You read Wikipedia did you?
Yankee would you want to be? lol
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0133. After living in that horrible place and traveling throughout SA for many years I thank my lucky stars every day that I was born in the USA.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are so lucky! While I lived there I studied USA history and became very patriotic. I love my country. It far superior to any place I have ever seen or heard about and I will never live anywhere else again.
#16 I think Argentina will aim to end diplomatic immunity in Argentina to rid our country from international corruption and expropriate the offices used to manage global crimes, and we Argentine's stand 100% behind CFK. If we lose we can simply do as UK does at the UN, ignore them is the status quo.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#19 obviously you never bought stocks lol. Ignorance is a bliss, did you know that high interest rates are set do to a the high risk of a loan. I lost money with stelco mining and am still waiting for the Canadian government to give me my money back. Why am I targeted? And people only stand up for this wealthy crooks. O well now we know you work for this crooks.
#32 why solve our ship detention when we can use it at the international level to brick wall USA and start a expropriation campaign in Argentina against all corrupt multinationals and polluters, we also have courts in Argentina that can protect us Argentines. Keep the ship we need the savings for a nuclear defence program, it's clear this ship never done anything good in all of history.
#33 if vulture fund want to invest more money to milk a dead cow it is all up to them how much more they will loose. A sail ship that cost Argentine tax payers to maintain more then what they will ever get back from it is a win win situation in a country where the navy used to drown their own civilians not too long ago. We hope you keep the ship that brings so much cost to the Argentine economy. That way we can save enough to build a nuclear defence program in Argentina.
#35 the international courts will deside if the theft of the Argentine ship is legal or not, not USA or Ghana. Sit tight this might take a few years. Mean while thanks for saving Argentina money wasted on a useless sail boat. To catch illegal oil rigs and fishing ships we need a speed boat not a sail.
#36 when you done no wrong you go to court and let the evidence expose the truth. I will love to see the paper work and how far IMF will go to hide the theft.
@134 YankeeNOBODY
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am from the USA..I can post my home address...my post office box address my telephone number....my driving license number...my passports numbers from the USA and Argentina....
Come on....why don't you do the same?
are you really scare someone might break your neck?
YOU DAMN UK WIMP!
@136 adorable...course you will.............................no guts. Just give us your facebook name end of, if you dont want us as friends dont accept friendship ...........simples. PS can we have your credit card number and pin please :)
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LAdies & Gentlemen. I have a feeling that at the end of this ordeal one of the biggest winners will be the Argentine Military. Just stay tuned.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A country with Tuberculosis outbreak in the west, West Nile Virus pandemic all over, Meningitis epidemic, and Salmonella vomiting people everywhere. All at the same time, right now at this very moment.
And the homeland of H1N1.
And the mass shootings.
Please stay there. We don't want to be infected with any such illnesses.
138
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha ha,
3 days ago you said the ship would be given back, and its still their,
139
the only anti on here are argies, and you know it,
envy thats all you are,
and ya talk a lot.
@139PRodded American
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“LAdies & Gentlemen. I have a feeling that at the end of this ordeal one of the biggest winners will be the Argentine Military. Just stay tuned.”
Well, so far, CFK has blamed the Argentine military, the Navy, for allowing this to happen.
If they want to take it back by force - it will be an international incident.
If they were to fail, who will CFK blame, then?
The military???
To take this ship by force.
Oct 15th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would need the minimum force necessary,
Special Forces,
Amphibious forces,
An aircraft carrier, or an helicopter carrier at the very least,
An alternative would be a sub,
A rescue team in case it goes wrong, and plus an abstraction team,
Air fore cover were required,
Diplomats to cover open ground and to stop the sparks flying,
Oh and or course special agents in place,
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Which of these items do the great powerful argentine military does the mighty, powerful CFK poses.
Answers on a post card please…
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@142 briton
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh and or course special agents in place,”
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PH Alex Vargas is just your man!
He says he knows much about how MI6, Moussad, and CIA operate.
Of course, he's pretty comfortable in Scarborough ...
He should volunteer immediately,
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If of course he was loyal .lolol.
CFK expects every man to do his/her duty.
Troy the military can really be winners very easily by court marshaling their CiC
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 15 Yuleno ... no need to be offensive you fucking dickhead.......
Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was in the courts... RG land look for a diplomatic solution.... ie a big fat bribe for whoever... that fails... back to the courts....
How do you manage to bring Somalia into it? Oh .. Ghanians and Somalians all black people ( well the Somalis are more brownish) ... therefore all corrupt.
That is pretty rich coming from you , are you a fascist latino twat....?
Somalis, British, Italians, Azerbaijani, whatever. I am not a xenophile in the slightest. Burkinabe or Argentine only for me.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting New York Post article:
Oct 16th, 2012 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/singer_really_hipshape_fbXAzgLMhFESe41cbjODpI?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Business
Included, is a downloadable pdf of the actual 25 page Court Order to seize the vessel.
The Judge specifically points out, in the document, that the ship does NOT have immunity as a ship of war in a Ghanian Court.
Further, he outlines that Argentina agreed, in a UK Court of Law, to waive all immunity from seizure, as part of their financing terms.
He goes on to note that Argentina had agreed in Court, to repay their creditors, but had not done so.
Nothing to argue, really.
147 'Arifu_Gobakuwi' ... thats a bit of a mouthful ( as the actress said to the bishop )... can we just address you as TTT (Tiresome Tribal Twat)?
Oct 16th, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Frank I always preferred titty boi. I am convinved his anger is rooted in moms premature release from nursing.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can profile an individual,psychologically,from what and how they respond to stimuli,verbal or other stimuli,but then we knew that didn't we?
Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0148 Troy Tempest
Oct 16th, 2012 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The excellent judgement by the Justice of the High Court of Ghana makes every attempt possible to let AG have its say and to provide EVIDENCE that would allow him to set aside their immunity that THEY originated and signed for the bonds.
Given the unusual fact that AG have in the bonds themselves provided in the legal opinion of the UK Supreme Court (to which AG had appealed the first contra-judgement) Lord Collins stated “This was the clearest possible waiver of immunity”.
So they only have themselves to blame.
BUT, (there’s always one) AG seem to be relying on their type of justice to give them the ‘get out of jail card’ where the state can interfere with the justice system by removing judges from the case.
Of course, Ghana, being an ex-British colony had the good sense to follow the British example and keep the state well away from the judicial system. This is clearly stated in the COURTS ACT
1993 (ACT 459) of Ghana. The Supreme Court follows the usual (in civilised countries, not AG) where the lower courts must refer points of law to them, BEFORE making a decision. I have no doubt that this has been the case.
I particularly liked the way that the Honourable Richard Adjei-Frimpong, Justice of the High Court published his CONCLUSION, the final sentence: “If that option (of AG providing security and taking away the ship) is unattractive for whatever reason, so be the order of the Court. The motion is accordingly dismissed.
It is difficult to see a way forward for AG to recover the ship other than to pay the money. The Supreme Court has no remit to intercede and the government of Ghana would not be so stupid to do so in the high profile case.
But it wouldn’t be the first time that AG have weaselled out of something.
148 Troy Tempest
Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina agreed, in a UK Court of Law
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Like we said troy,
CFK will almost certainly blame us..
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briton it will be interesting to see if they actually bring it to the international courts. If they do an lose, they will esentially be slapped down at the point by the world. If they don't......they can still bark, cry and blame everyone else. I am not sure if thr rg's will chance that.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you see or imagine any navy in the world allowing a ship to be taken without resistance? Albeit it is a traning cadet vessel, but typical not far out of reach of there iron sister ships with fire control systems. If I were the skipper I would make way, what will they do.....sink her?
well the Germans sank most of their fleet in protest.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they could burn it,
but something tell me, this time next year, it may well be a rust bucket sitting in the harbour.
The international courts sounds like an excellent place to discuss the lawful detention of 'libertad.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is OK for Argentina to seize foreign assets like YPF while grossly disregarding the Argentine constitution (First Part, Chapter I, Section 17: “Expropriation for reasons of public interest must be authorized by law and PREVIOUSLY compensated.”), but when an Argentine asset is seized according to international law, all we hear is whining.
It is always somebodyy elses fault.
I don't they the Ghanan's would create an international scene as burning it, afterall they are only holding it for a 3rd party. I think at some point Singer will send an seafaring tug to tow her back to the states. However I do not put it past the RG's to borrow some fuel and send the Almirante Brown to intercept and sink her rather than having her displayed as a financial trophy from a deadbeat nation.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth_Telling_MickeyMouse aka Arifu_Gobakuwi aka Tobias - all from the Mendoza province.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You often tell us how clever you are, and yet you use the same 18th century dictionary and thesaurus under both those pseudonyms, as in:
“monarchical demesnes”, “insecure troglodytes”, “pantheon of internet Demiurges”, “the cynosure”, “athwart”, “stellify”, “turpitudinous”, “noetic nabob”, “irreparably cortically scarred”, etc.
What is the origin of the word “colony”?
St.John......he is alson always referring to events of 200 years ago that keeps him all RGs in the past.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ysabel_Sarli (#)
Oct 16th, 2012 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Inmaigrants are to blame all of Britains woes you know. It is clearly shown by all of the comments in this site.
@160 says you sussie/2012/prorgamerican an IMMIGRANT, sponging of the US, you two faced twat.
Oct 16th, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155 briton
Oct 16th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be ironic if CFK's reign is remembered for destroying the Argentine economy and sinking their iconic “Blood Ship” best remembered for torturing opponents of the government.
:-D
160 ProRG_Argentinean aka The Liar in Chief
Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you read that post of yours and you claim you were an American navy man. FFS!
#161 we are hunting for her now.....lol
Oct 16th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sussie claims everything, she just got off a two week long gin bender! I think it was being reprogrammed at the lab
162
Oct 16th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i agree.
@162 @165
Oct 16th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK WIMPS!
lol
Troy I can't imagine her being remembered for anything else, maybe her NYC shopping sprees.....Imelda Marcos of south america
Oct 17th, 2012 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@166 Sussie/ Pro Arg-am
Oct 17th, 2012 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you :
http://m24digital.com/en/2012/09/06/controversial-video-of-a-rock-band-with-erotic-images-of-president-cristina-fernandez/
@168, awesome video, I hope this group continues their creativity, they have the image of Kretina down to a T!
Oct 17th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARA Liberdad's Wikipedia entry has been updated:
Oct 17th, 2012 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Name: ARA Libertad (Q-2)
Owner: Argentine Navy (nominal), Ghana (currently)” :))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Libertad_(Q-2)
170# begs the question as to what Wikipedia is doesn't it.
Oct 17th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yulena...we agree on something....wikipedia is a rag that anyone can update. We all know the new owner is SInger and his group, not Ghana. Ghana is merely the intermediary.
Oct 17th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So all you rg trolls, listen to yulena because he is correct....no more wiki references; ad utube while you are at it.
Interesting story here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-17/argentina-says-it-won-t-seize-more-energy-firms-clarin-reports.html
reminds me of the three great man lies:
1-I love you
2-the check is in the mail
3-I won't c#m in your mouth
and now a forth
4-argentina will not seize anymore businesses
just heard they are sending a bill through the senate (expected to pass, what a surprise..) to allow 16 year olds to vote. kirchner is one step closer to 'dear leader' status..
Oct 17th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes so the peronist can indoctrinate them young
Oct 17th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I say Wikipedia was a rag poppy?
Oct 17th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are jumping too quick.Wanting to get a cheap remark in on my behalf.Where is your military training taking you.
Did I say you said that? Please point that out for me where I said you called it a rag? You seem to be a premature shooter, a central american quality of what I recall from my military days. Premature shooters and afraid of the night.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Desperate are you popsy @176#
Oct 18th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whatever you divert to yulena, you know it all .
Oct 18th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said poppy.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, ARA Libertad still not released? Those docking fees must be building up nicely.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 193 Conqueror?captain PUP
Oct 18th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am you wife....can you see my name...please tell everyone we are married or I file for divorce!
lol
@180LEPRecon
Oct 18th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hmm, ARA Libertad still not released?”
Just Whst I wAs wondering about, too.
So far, we've heard nought, and they've been there a week.
Probably told, “don't come back without the ship”.
arrangements are being made for official turnover a tow to the USA
Oct 18th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lep its your oxfam money that will pay the fees.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ironic the ship is called freedom they may have to re name it ARA impounded lol
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy.....it's so interesting the see just what level of shame the RG's will crown themselves. As for cuntina kirchner, her philosphy as leader in charge peronists..: as president, take all the credit for good thinds (quite elusive) and blame everyone elsefor the negative.....except tinnman. She is a poor example of leaders:
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*Having tunnel vision(Falklands)
*Micromanaging (always)
*Being incompetent (speaks for itself)
*Being rules oriented and not people oriented
*Demanding perfection(only of others)
*Having low self-esteem and confidence(self evident of dress and makeup)
*Having emotional insecurity and immaturity
*Making decisions based on emotions(the economics proves it)
*Blaming others for failures and taking credit for successes(axed naval officers)
*showing favoritism (self evident)
*Reacting negatively to criticism(Sends in the AFIP)
These all are self evident
*Making assumptions without fact checking
*Not willing or not able to change and adopt
*Not willing to learn and grow
*Not take no for an answer
*Not listening
*Not caring about how their actions impact others
@186 Poppy
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-) I noticed!
I do not have much Spanish, but watching her speeches to the Argentine friendly press and gov't officials, her attitude is mocking and flippant, regarding what should be serious issues.
Not for her, “just” the people.
She tends to speak down to her audiences. Most leaders of the free world tend to speak humbly when giveing a true press conference. One where the press actually asks questions.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(186) Yankiboy.....
Oct 21st, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0*Having tunnel vision...
*Micromanaging ...
*Being incompetent....
*Being rules oriented and not people oriented....
*Demanding perfection (only of others).....
*Having low self-esteem and confidence (self evident of dress and makeup).....
*Having emotional insecurity and immaturity.......
*Making decisions based on emotions.....
*Blaming others for failures and taking credit for successes......
*Showing favoritism....
*Reacting negatively to criticism......
*Making assumptions without fact checking.....
*Not willing or not able to change and ad(a)pt....
*Not willing to learn and grow....
*Not taking a no for an answer.....
*Not listening.....
*Not caring about how their actions impact others......
Well ............you just described a typical woman ;-)))
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