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Monsanto suspends collection of royalties in Brazil following state court ruling
Monsanto, the world’s biggest seed company, suspended collection of royalties for its Roundup Ready soybeans in Brazil while it appeals a state court ruling on intellectual property rights. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBrazil.... Throw Monsanto out! They are killing the genetic diversity of plant-life in your country and overthrowing legitimate neighboring governments in order to do their evil. You can be a leader in the world by providing clean food from clean soils, and from non-GMO seeds. Stand up to Monsanto! Stand up!
Oct 18th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Farmers.... Return to the time honored tradition of growing your crops with heritage seeds that you can save from year-to-year, and stop spraying your soils with poisons.
The small extra profits that you make from using genetically modified seeds and chemical poisons do not serve you when they kill your independence, and sicken your families and your countrymen who consume them. Rise up! Stand together! Resist Monsanto!
#1 - You have no clue what you are talking about. RR soybeans provide us with soybeans that resist the chemical compound glyphosate. This compound has a low toxicity especially compared to other chemicals that we would have to use in its place. Check the link below for technical information on the chemical.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html
Without technology like this we would be forced to use harsher more toxic chemicals that do more harm to us farmers and the environment. And to ask us to return to our honored tradition of growing crops with heritage seeds is just crap. Those seeds you speak of are outdated, have low yield potential and thus are not economical to plant. And then to ask us to stop spraying our soils with poisons, just goes to show how ignorant you are on the subject. Without the use of herbicides and pesticides it isn't possible to feed the world. We would essentially loose our entire fields to insects and weeds. Go check out a farm someday and you will know what I am talking about.
And don't mention organics to me because those are highly expensive and the population doesn't demand it, thus we would go broke if we all tried to plant it. Plus we couldn't produce enough food for the world.
Go back to your city and just enjoy that you have food in your grocery store.
Another blow for Monsatan. Indeed at 1 Brazil should throw them out. I hope and I'm sure they , Monsanto, will loose their appeal at court in the Brazilian southern state Rio Grande do Sul.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.qwmagazine.com/2012/06/15/brazilian-farmers-win-2-billion-judgment-against-monsanto-2/
BAMFParaguay says: We would essentially loose our entire fields to insects and weeds. Go check out a farm someday and you will know what I am talking about.
Oct 18th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry, I'm confused. it was impossible to grow grain or soybean crops before GMOs, prior to the 70s when Monsanto brought the first seeds to market? Argentina, the US, Canada, etc. weren't massive agricultural exporters until the 1970s when roundup ready seeds became available?
BTW, just because the patent is gone doesn't mean the seeds can't be used. In fact, now they're going to be low cost because they're royalty free.
The price we pay for royalties is a mere 0.6% which is acceptable since the returns pay for the cost plus more.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for what we used to do prior to GMOs, the same thing, but the yields were much less, about 50% from the link below...
http://www.soystats.com/2011/page_08.htm
So we CAN go back, but we would produce less food, and thus the price would go up. Also we will need to start spraying much more. You ask but before you did it well what changed? The laws protecting the enviornment prohibit the use of many types of pesticides and herbicides that may be very effective but harm the enviornment. So new ones are created, such as Glyphosate, but it requires the use of Round Up Ready soybeans.
But like you mentioned, the patent is expiring, or will (doesn't really matter after 2014) and the technology will be free to the public. But then new GMOs will come out that provide more benefits which the public demands and we will plant those varieties, because people want that. If not then Monsanto will go broke, but I highly doubt that it will reach that point.
BAMF... You have unwittingly become a tool of the oligarchy and Monsanto.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look here: http: //www.naturescountrystore.com/roundup/
and here: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/15/dr-don-huber-interview-part-2.aspx
and here, in your own back yard:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/15/dr-don-huber-interview-part-2.aspx
and just click on any of these links on Google with the words: roundup toxicity.
Round Up is a curse on the world and you are spreading that curse. Return to the ways of Patchamama, and she will bless you.
6# These people who are supporting Monsanto know the costs involved,but in their lives they make more money.And that's what they all care about,including Monsanto.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But with Monsanto it's also about power and control,and the short sighted selfish people only see gold glittering in the fields.
It's a major problem and it highlights power discrepancies in the neo-liberal world and globalisation.
The Norwegian Center of Biosafety points out in ;
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how the forest areas replaced by GDO origin agriculture...
-- in 1991,Argentina had 34 millions hectares forests and in 2009 this went down to 29.6
-- in Bolivia forests reduced from 62 to 57 millions hectares.
-- in Brazil went down from 571 to 521 millions hectares.
-- in Paraguay went down from 21 to 17 millions hectares.
#6 -
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...due to this lack of scientific information with which to prove causation.”
So from your first link I get that the there are not enough valid studies out there. Thus anyone saying that it is VERY toxic is full of bs because, well, there aren't any studies on it. Well then why doesn't someone do one (which many have but this website's intro states this so that is why I mention it).
I skipped the second link, but the third...
“...the EPA and the U.S. Department of Agriculture both recognize POEA as an inert ingredient.”
So Monsanto is using an approved ingredient in its formula. This ingredient POEA is found to be inert (they could be wrong, I'll give you that). I'm sure as more research is done and should it be found that this is a concern, then they will just change the ingredient.
The principal chemical, glyphosate, is known to be toxic, but much less so than other chemicals that we have at our disposal. That is why we farmers prefer to use glyphosate, but not necessarily Roundup. I live in a rural community and intoxications do occur, but usually from extremely dangerous red labeled chemicals; mostly pesticides (monsanto has a GMO that prevents us from using this pesticide but it hasn't been proved in Paraguay). It is a work related health hazard and there are means to prevent accidents.
Look, whatever chemical we use is going to have some danger to it. But with glyphosate, it is safer than most and we can use much less of it. It isn't perfect, but there isn't an alternative.
#7 - I want to make money, that is why I work. If what we farmers are doing is so bad then why is the world living so much longer. I am selfish, but at least my selfisness helps to produce food for the world.
#8 - Biofuel subsidies has put pressure to open more farm land; deforestation is greatly linked to the policies of government. 50% of USA corn goes to fuel, that land could be used for food instead.
9#Working and money is one thing.But how much money and at what cost is another.You are being used by Monsanto.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your selfishness doesn't help the world it just so happens you might think it does.The whole criticism of Monsanto is that they are competing in an area of business that exploits natural resources and they want to eliminate competition so they become dominant.Will that benefit the world or is the nature of business to look after itself rather than the world.Isnt that why they have ethical policies and governance policies.
You are being naive with your simplistic making money and helping the world.
I produce food, some GMO some conventional. I help to feed the world. And in the process I make money. I then use that money to hire people and produce more food. Then I make more money, hire more people, open up industry, and produce more stuff. Then I make even more money, hire on more people, and well you get the idea.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it is that simple.
My question is how many people do you hire? How many families are dependent on you paying them their monthly salary? How many children of your workers do you help go to private schools? How many people have you pulled out of poverty?
Monsanto is just a company that offers a product. The problem is that they use the government to get favors. This business/government relationship is the problem. The government should never have anything to offer to a company, be it subsidies, protective tariffs, nothing. Companies should live and die by the product they sell. If it is good, it will sell, and they will live. If it is bad, they won't sell, and well, they will go broke.
Companies become dominant because the government helps them to become so. Amtrak in the USA is a monopoly only because the government allows them to be so; their product sucks. Monsanto gets laws passed that give it an edge over other competitors. Thus they grow bigger. But this ONLY happened because the government got involved. Remove the power of the government and let the market forces take care of it. Let you and I, the consumers, decide on an even playing field what products we think are the best.
Just think about it Yuleno, these BIG companies only survive because of BIG government. You want Monsanto to have good competition, then you have to have smaller government. Monsanto LOVES BIG GOVERNMENT.
11#
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What kind of talk is that you posted.Shall we drain the oceans to get rid of pollution.
You are painting a picture with the color you want.Tell me about terminator technology.
Yuleno, the terminator technology is essentially a gene that Monsanto altered in the seed that it sells with the intention that the grain (or seed if you so desire to call it) that is produced from the plant that came from one of Monsanto's seed, would be infertile. Monsanto wanted to prevent farmers from utilizing its technology without paying for it. For example, some farmers will use the grain that they produce as seed for next year's crop. Or they will sell it to their neighbors. In these cases Monsanto doesn't profit from it.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I could care less what Monsanto does or doesn't do. I, nor you by the way, are forced to buy their product. Yes it is their product and they can decide to do with it as they please. When Fiat makes a cheap car that doesn't last past 100.000 km, we as customers have the choice to buy that car, knowing full well that it won't last much past 100.000km. Yet millions of Fiat's cars are sold. I guess the customers have decided it is worth it.
If Monsanto had put that terminator gene into practice, some farmers would stop using it, some wouldn't really care. It could have been a good or a bad business decision, but it is their product so who are we to decide for them.
As for draining the ocean, i guess you refer to the elimination of government. I don't advocate anarchy, but instead a small limited government. Government is necessary to protect people's rights; right to life, liberty and property. We citizens can handle the rest. Name me just one thing that the government MUST do because the citizens CAN”T do themselves.
On government.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make law ,protect from invasion,ensure order etc.
On Monsanto.
The idea that a business is a law to itself and that profit justifies its actions are well out .In today's world business has a responsibility to society.To people if you like.So your position that profit justifies the actions is not adequate.A business has to state what it is intending to do and making money is not an intension in the statement it makes.It is assumed that its actions are to make profit.This statement is required by law and therefore a business is inferior to a state.You in your work/business have to conform to law and there is no claim being made that you or Monsanto don't conform.The argument is an ethical one as well as a political one.
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