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Argentina’s flagship trapped in Ghana by creditors with no political solution in sight
The saga of the Argentine Navy flagship ARA Libertad retained in Ghana seems to have no short term political solution as the government of President Cristina Fernandez was expecting, while in Buenos Aires the head of military strategic intelligence resigned and there is mounting pressure on the Ministry of Defence. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA war ship? “Armament: Four Hotchkiss 47 mm cannons, 1891 model, which were transferred from the previous School Ship ARA Presidente Sarmiento and are used as a salute battery”
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Suits us, go against any of our ships today and see how far you get, actually try any of our ships built in the 1950's like this one and... oh wait, we scrapped or sold them all. Never mind.
“Argentina thus seems limited to diplomacy and international pressure to try and obtain the release of the Navy’s flagship ARA Libertad.”
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pay your debt, maybe?
Sorry for the ordinary Argentine citizens.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK gang - better send your ' task force' for your Blood Ship.
Send your airline to take the sailor cadets home.
Oops! Better charter a Brazilian plane so you don't lose more assets. :-(
If it's there for 400 days the docking costs will have been the same as the debt they might've paid. Just...pay it!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fuck pride and pay your debt!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Trolls yet.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sleeping ?
Embarrassed ??
Pirat-Alex, anything about nuking children in Ghana ????
Argentina thus seems limited to diplomacy and international pressure to try and obtain the release of the Navy’s flagship ARA Libertad.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL.... A country that won't be bullied into doing what KFC wants? Mind you, they've tried it before without any success so why should they think it would work now?
Just pay the bill then f**k off!!
Nicely and diplomatically handled by Ghana's government and separate judicial systems.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Yes, I thought that.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Argentines can't get the Ghanaian government to intercede now, just what makes them think that whinging about it the UN will work? The UN won't get involved because Ghana hasn't broken any international laws.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0This bit made me laugh though:
“Apparently and according to Buenos Aires media reports President Cristina Fernandez is collecting all the possible information on the case before making a decision since she is not prepared to assume the political costs of the international incident.”
Someone should tell CFK that as President it is all her responsibility! The buck (or Peso) stops with her. Hey Cristina, you've embarrassed your country enough already. Do the decent thing and resign, give the Argentine people a chance to elect a decent government who cares more about them and Argentina than they do about lining their own pockets with dollars.
It looks like either Putridjelly or Timidman might be for the chop! I wonder if that's why Timidman was making such a nuisance of himself at the UNSC meeting, to show CFK how useful he is?
Argentine government; cough up the money (from the vast mounts you're boasting that you have), get your ship back and slink back off to Argentina with your tail between your legs.
Then you can do what you usually do and rewrite history. The Government will start telling the people that the brave Argentine Special Forces retook the ship from the forces of Dr Evil (aka Singer), and sailed it home under the Ghanians nose's, leaving the Ghanaians weeping and lamenting about how they shouldn't have got involved with the mighty Argentina.
However, it's probably too late for any Argentine citizen to believe that fantasy, except the most ardent La Campora troll, of course, and they're paid to 'believe'.
CFK has admitted that NML has a case by her actions of sacking those that were involved in sending the Libertad to Ghana.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its now a typical case of Argentina wanting to ignore rules and judgements that do not suit then.
Not being too versed in the rule of international law, if CFK continues to refuse to pay the bond does Singer have the ability to file for possession of the ship?
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or using CFK logic, will he just expropriate it for the reason that the Argentine government is not investing enough in his hedge fund by not paying the release bond, send a security team to clear out the ship and rename it the USS Repsol.
Swallow your latin pride & just pay what you owe, Argentina.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt will only hurt for a little while, then the world(except us, snigger)will forget about it.
giggle, snortle, snigger, he he he, ha ha ha, hor hor hor, tears running down face.
stop it, l can't take anymore, my sides are aching. sniffle
“to a certain extent Foreign minister Hector Timerman are fingered as responsible for the ‘international embarrassing situation”
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So to cover up for his cock-up he goes to the UN to complain about testing defensive missiles with a 4 mile range (that has been happening for 30 years).
Result?
BIG FAT ZERO-testing will continue.
Argentina still has an impounded ship and the world says “OK, whatever, next case please”.
Although the Argentine government is one of the most incompetent laughing stocks in 30 years (they seriously want to out do Galteiri), would it not help the Falkland Islanders if these goons were all re-elected?
Oh yes- ALL MALVANISTAS, THIS IS PETE BOG, ALL MALVANISTAS THIS IS PETE BOG, DO YOU READ ME , OVER?
When is Argentina taking all these companies prospecting for oil around the Falkland Islands to court then eh?
Another Negligent discharge of Bullsh1t from Buenos Aires?
Stil waiting...........................Lol, lol, ROFL and ha ha haaaa.
just scupper the heap of shite
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, the ship is beautiful. Blame the feckless owners not the ship.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, when we talk about the concept of rule of law on these pages we have the perfect example. A couple of times I've been told that Argentina has a different rule of law to other countries meaning that they can break the law. After trying to explain that this means that rule of law doesn't exist, I've just been shouted down.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look and learn. The Ghanaian government sides with Argentina however, the courts have made their decision and, as such, the government cannot interfere. This is called division of powers. Each side operates checks and balances on each other to make sure that they don't overstep the mark. Lesson learned I hope...
Owned, in the most literal sense, arf
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hell of a plaything for a disgruntled hedge fund owner to mess about with on the weekends...
What the Argies are struggling to understand is that the “Law” is above everything and everyone. This is not a diplomatic or political issue so talking to Ghana's leaders is going to achieve nothing. If they believe that this is an illegal act then they need to mount a legal challenge.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK started to introduce the concept of “the leadership” being bound by the law back in 1215. Why in 2012 is Argentina still struggling to grasp this concept?
Because they are a bunch of mafia styled monkeys! If the ship had docked in a similarly run country as RGland then they would have the dingy back!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they have law schools in RGland?
Argentina, how deep can you fall? When one thinks, you've reached the bottom, something like this comes up.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing, the once “proud” Argentines are being humilliated and forced to it's knees by an african 345th world banana republic.
International argentine humilliation can't get worse, can it? Reached the end of the “eating chain”.
This ship is a tribute to the Argentine shipyard that built it and is probably the last example of the country being able to get something right.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has also undergone a refit and is in very good order.
It is a pity that it belongs to a bunch of weasels as are the 'government' of AG and perhaps it would be better (for the ship) if Singer got it.
AG failed to understand the British legacy that exists in Ghana. Most of the top Lord Justices (NOTE MP they are most certainly NOT bench Magistrates) have been educated in Britain and are / have been members of the Bar. The whole legal system is a duplicate of English Law and their constitution separates the government from the Judiciary for reasons that can be seen in AG with the political interference from TMBOA.
The Supreme Court can only rule on matters of the law. It DOES NOT decide on individual cases and I have little doubt that Lord Justice Richard Agyei-Frimpong consulted with the Justices of the Supreme Court because of the nature of the case. His present ruling has not been interfered with by the government as the stupid argies thought would be easily the case, and I have every confidence that Ghana will continue to support the law of the land, THEIR land not Argentina.
The pro RG posters must be in a campora meeting discussing how they MUST respond to this news! Bless me, the little monkeys !
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a bit early for them, that's all.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rg trolls don't start posting until 10am EST except Guzz who probably hasn't ever been to Uruguay.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As predicted Pols won't interfere in Court rulings. Ghana has won a lot of respect in the financial and civilized world.
CFK should pay the U$20MM and let the ship sail directly back to Argentina without stopping anywhere if that is possible.
I have a feeling sacking the heads of the Navy is going to cause some internal strife a bit down the line.
The population is just at the boiling point.
Something will tip it shortly
I just don't know what...
You know Yankee, I really can't understand the military sitting back and taking this. Typical the military of most countries are relatively conservative. They must have someone that can use a Barret or have the equivelent.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something tipping in Argentina? My money is on a bunch of students creeping up to Maximo when he is asleep at night and trying to tip him!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maximo tipping - might just catch on!
I just sent an email to timmerman telling him that the head of the army said something about his mother. *sits back*
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently the argie bloggers have been ordered by the supervisor in chief, not to attend this meeting,
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it is a lost cause and an embarrassment.
Apparently they will see you all on another blog that suits them. lolol.
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Still,
We are about to see just how much influence CFK has at the UN.
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$27 Lol like cow tipping in the USA midwest.....lol Want the RG trolls out in force? Let them know they have not been blogging on the “economic ” articles.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Ghana find in favour of the plaintiff then no Argentine warship will be safe. The Falklands is holding a navy day and all the Argentine warships are invited, just remember to bring about $20m us spending money for each ship.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rg's have a few warships, but mustly transports and tugs. Even at that, what fuel will they use, buy it from YPF? lol
Oct 19th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(26) Captain Poppy
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are dangerously close of breaching USA's and Argentinean legislation, matey....
If I were you, I would moderate such “apology of crime” comments.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dIiV4AKzOM
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if an argie warship visited Brazil. And it was impounded.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very funny.
We do take it, that these hedge people, can ask every court in every country to hold argie ships in every port,
Is this true.??
Considering that past trips on the presidential plane Tango 1 have been cancelled due to the risk that it could be sized it is likely CFK knows that any government property is at risk. As a naval chief has lost his post over this it sort of confirms that or they would have just gone down the legal avenue with immunity for the ship.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually its a greater mess than reported here in MercoPress. Several high level intermediaries (Including from Chile's Embassy in London) were sent to assist the Argentine defense. Comments cannot be shared on this page, but the overall opinion was that the Ghana officials were appalled at the Argentinian arogance. Diplomacy should always be made politely, especially when you do not have a naval attack force to back you up. (This could be scripted into a very funny movie plot.)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment is pathetic. So what you are saying is
A)The Ghanans are anything but the objective people claimed here to be, and will decide judicial matters base on the “attitude” of the parties and not the evidence.
B) the Ghanans are a bunch of cowards who, if this ship was from China or India, would not dare detain it because of a “naval attack force” threat.
Well, thank for clearing that up about the Ghanans.
@33 Desperation. Argieland in deep shite. Learning that some places put “law” above political bribery or threats. This matter needs to be fully investigated in order to determine whether a criminal and corrupt regime should have a “temporary” seat on the UN Security Council. Especially as this is a “member” that ignored a Security Council mandatory resolution. argieland should have been expelled from the UN 30 years ago. Did it save itself by saying it was going to be democratic? It lied, didn't it? Argieland always lies. Expel the faggots NOW! Expel the faggots from every organisation dedicated to democracy, honesty, human rights, legitimacy, self-determination, truth.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror, there would be too few countries left within the UN...
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, the simple act of quietly paying a settlement does not seem to be what CFK will pursue, so I assume this will drag out for some time. Bad press for CFK, and 20m is minor compared to letting this escalate. But the Mad Empress without clothes is in a rage. She needs a good spanking...
Think....clarifition your intent?
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36......titti boi....what a desperate stretch of your limited imagination......now go find your momma's nipple!
If Ghana is a coward, what does that make argentina that cannot get their ship....Wah Wah all the way home.....on a chartered flight
It may be simple that CFK cant pay due to not allowing US$ out of the country, i wonder when the ship will end up on e-bay
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I think he is trying to say that the Ghanaians expected the Argentinean delegation to be polite when asking them to “bend” the rule of law for them, they didn't expect them to turn up and demand that it was done (softly, softly, ccatchy monkey approach). I think you might have misread...
The second point was saying that if you are going to turn up at a diplomatic event such as this and demand that thisa are doen then you better have a decent amount of leverage over that country (whether that be a massive value of trade of a very large battleship sitting off the coast). In this case a government might fear for its life and give in (but still unlikelyu). Again, I think you might have misread...
Can the Argentines be polite ! i know they are expert at throwing their toys out of the pram.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK's approach has always been to demand
@36 I can imagine the scene you described. You can understand the Argentine delegation acting in desperation. If they return without the ship they will have to face the wrath of the Mad One and their jobs will be on the line. They know they have no legal route to pursue so opted for the 'bully and demand' option. It just does not work outside of SoAm and even there it has limited success.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT Try to stay focused. You are confusing the judiciary with politicians, again. Outside of Argentina they operate separately.
Interesting precedent, wonder what other Argentinian property might now get impounded around the world.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also will the future trips of this ship (if they ever get it back) all be non-stop around the world voyages.
The vulture funds will all be circling now, the beast has been wounded and they smell money.
Just a thought, I wonder if they might be interested in buying the Lady Elizabeth, she is lying at the east end of Stanley Harbour. A little rust repair and i'm sure she would make a good ship! the only part of the bargain would be that it would have to carry the Falkland Islands Flag... :)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that the hedge fund has done this deliberately at this point and to this ship to make a massive statement...with regards to state assets outside the country they are trying to say...your ass is grass, and i'm a lawnmower.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting game of Cat and Mouse will now follow...
Hi Elaine,
Oct 19th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its been reported the non-Argentine envoys were subdued and quiet in the meetings as well as in the bars and resturants. Apparently at the Movenpick Hotel, an Argentine made a scandal about the wine and the “monkeys” that served it...
The hotel manager politely asked the entire Spanish speaking group to leave.
@34 Briton
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We do take it, that these hedge people, can ask every court in every country to hold argie ships in every port,
Is this true.??”
They can certainly ask but unless the country upholds international judgements (such as Ghana: based on English Law) there is little likelihood of an injunction being issued.
Brasil seem to want to be on the world stage but have many years of corruption under Lula to overcome. Dilma appears to be unsure what to do next and may not want to cross TMBOA on any issue.
I think it unlikely that any LatAm country would issue an injunction presently except Paraguay and they are landlocked!
If AG has non-diplomatic premises in Paraguay, whose title could be proven, then Singer could go after those.
The only reason for other countries sending their envoys would be to look after the interests of their cadets on the ship. It would be a bit of a junket for them I reckon.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any sightings of Tango One recently?
Still no news, how embarrassing for the RGs, this will take months to sort out jajajaja
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Ghana officials were appalled at the Argentinian arogance”
Surely not !! How could this be ? Argentinians are known for their mild, well mannered behaviour. It must be a mistake in translation. Their favourite words in any negotiation are “We demand” or the “whole world agrees with us” - seemingly not !!!
33 Think (#)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 19th, 2012 - 02:01 pm
Brilliant post, Think, well above yor usual standard, especially the Youtube link to a Mafia boss warning his future son in law that he has his eye on him!!!!!!
Does this mean that you at last realize that our government is just a “sucursal” of Cosa Nostra?????????
Arrogant Argentinians with bad social behaviour...gads who would have thought it!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One thing that drives me crazy when I travel there is they talk so loudly, in restaurants, on cell phones and at really inappropriate times. They also don't know how to queue a line. It the mid-to upper middle class that are the worst most obnoxious uncouth monkeys I have ever met. It's always fake blond women with knockoff handbags or long haired middle aged men with cheap shoes and a scarf trying to budge the line. Since the are cowards they back right down when catch them though.
Cut the rope captain and steam out to sea. Even if under fire.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 Interesting and a bit sad. I know a lot of lovely Argentines that would be ashamed they were being represented in that way. However, any representative of the current government seems to think they are both untouchable and superior.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 - PRoG
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Steam a sailing vessel away!?! I can't wait to see that. What are they going to do, light a fire under the kettle in the galley, and point the spout to the aft of the ship? LMFAO
In the meantime the wind drops and the Ghanaians arrest the Captain and he goes to prison for breaking the law.
PRoG mayhaps you should just accept that the only way out of this for Argentina is to cough up the money, either that or abandon the ship. Unfortunately it's far too late for Argentina to get out of this mess with any dignity intact, but if they have people of your intellect doing their planning, that's probably why.
I saw that Singer offered to pay to send the whole crew back home.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like a nice guy!
Comment removed by the editor.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 - Did he suggest they send Tango1 to collect the crew? I hope they don't as my life insurance doesn't cover laughter induced asphyxiation.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If CFK left the ship in Ghana she would lose face as she likes to have her own way after all the ship is the flagship of the Argentine navy.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't UK and USA killing Muslims women and children all over the middle east and africa! Why do they want to theft our tax money, if Ghana can theft our boat we Argetines should expropiate USA industries in Argentina. Start looking for your plot of land people we will soon all have a chance to push back US property in Argentina. International Monetary Fund (IMF). Its bailout recipes - privatization, trade liberalization and other austerity reforms - amount to seizing the target countries' natural and other resources, and turning them over to the NWO elites - just as surely as the British Empire did by using cruder methods.”
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You’ve also seen us warn as far back as February 1998, about the dire consequences of globalization in Argentina, for example (see “Don't Cry for Me, Argentina” - TiM GW Bulletin, Feb. 14, 1998):
“(Carlos) Menem's globalization of the Argentine economy - read privatization and sale of former state-owned assets to foreign interests - has caused millions of Argentineans to become exiles in their own country. They were disenfranchised by their own elite in the name “free trade” and “progress.” Just as were the millions of Russians, Poles, Hungarians, Koreans, Thais... later on.”
Four years later, as bloody riots, looting and killings have followed the hardships caused by globalism, the Argentinean economy lies in ruins as another monument to man’s gullibility; another testament to Wall Street’s imperialism.
http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2002/2-2.html
(40) Captain Poppy
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No ”clarifition” needed….. Message delivered and understood.
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42 Welsh Wizard
I ”Think” that both Chicureeo and you have misread…
He was talking about ”Argentinian arrogance” all right……. Argentinean Naval Officer’s arrogance…..
A characteristic that our “Guys in White” share with the rest of the worlds navies......
Ask Chicureo (Ex- AdC) or DoveoverDover (Ex RN) if you don’t believe me.........
Anyhow….. This is bigger than just one wooden ship held in a minor African Country's harbor…
As you say…: ”An interesting game of cat and mouse will follow...”
Just remember Tom & Jerry :-)))
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(53) Simon68
Dear ”Mister Focker” is NO Maffia Boss……
You got the film ”All Wrong”, matey….
The same as your Country….
Think your impotent threats are laughable.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Psst they do and you and CFK are apparently learning the hard way,
About time too...
Too bad its another world wide embarrassment so many in the last couple months. I wonder if she has tripled the lithium.
Anal breath, I mean think, you need to learn to think. I am dangerously close to nothing idiot. Your insepid threats(though hardly a threat from a cholo)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like the enjoy of Moe, Larry and Curly returned on their Venezulan charters empty handed......an inside look at the report to cuntina kirchner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRrMu7B1L2I
65. Is that link an Indec meeting or CFKs Cabinet?
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#63
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tom and Jerry - which one is Argentina ?
#59
Declare war on Ghana - what a brilliant idea ! You should offer your services as the Argentine Foreign minister.
For a start, you could not attack a nursery school creche !
The whole of Black Africa would wholeheartedly support you in this measure. Nigeria and South Africa would send troops to help you --NOT.
You will soon be a member of the UN Security Council. I am sure you can count on their votes as ”the whole world agrees with us ”
I know it is difficult for you to reason in a rational way, but count to 10 before posting any more stupid statements.
Even the Argentine government is not as stupid as that.
Good luck with your nuclear program - we are funding research on plasma death rays !
Lol actually that can very easily be an Indec being overseen by the commander in chump herself
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hehehe and Still no ship for Argentina, Surely Argentinas naval occupation in ghana classes as a militarization of the african continent regardless of how sh*t the vessel is, if im not mistaken is this not expansionism and colonization into africa?? :)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is no collateral such as ships .....
whoever lended the monies to ARG.... is the stupid!.
lol
@70 where is your flagship????? HEHEHEHE :) :) :)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh thats right your dont have one do you :) :) whos stupid now, stupid! lol
no seriously, where is your flagship?? surely you havent lost it??
Now, there are two basic choices. Pay the bail, or send warships and commandos to take it back. Call it bluff, perhaps with the intention of a military action will make them think twice. Poor as the ARA is, I am sure they can put 4 destroyers a submarine, supply ship and the command ship to make the statement. How we will react in the USA and UK...it is a different story.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72 - atk357
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only naval vessel the Argentines have that can cross the Atlantic is currently impounded by the Ghanaians. They have no subs. They have no planes that can span the distance to Africa.
But should they try, they would p!ss off the African Union, and Ghana could call upon the Commonwealth for help, assuming its own forces actually needed help against the Argentinians.
So that would be Argentina against the African Union and the Commonwealth of Nations.
The Argentines will just have to face the fact that there are only going to be 2 possible outcomes to this incident. Either they pay up and get their ship back, or they refuse to pay and the ship is auctioned off.
Either way Argentina has already lost. It only remains to be seen if they will attempt to recover some dignity and act like adults, or whether they fall back on their 'we the victim” ploy.
A ploy that has been rather over used lately, and isn't believed by anyone.
I always have to laugh at prat hunter, he always tries to justify Argentina but no one listens :)
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Miss Simon68
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Callate you dam Zhivago!
It's amazing how he can justify. I know there is no way he can have a straight face when he types divel like that. I guess all the strikes are a clever plan from cuntina kirchner to lower there wages and force them into submission. I see the children have taken over the schools again.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it WASN'T for this dude buying the broken bonds, the crinkly Italian retirees would have been more jacked today. You know how well Southern European grandmas and grandpas are doing. It's not like they had much time left, right? This admin can afford a billion dollars in football for all, Arg can afford a new “Hollywood”.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't care about them. They are European. Besides, they wanted high risk? Well you win some you lose some.
Your a fraud! whoops Freudian slip! you are all ferkin frauds, what was I thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 075 Britonskare
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Sussie, I was in Buenos Aires last week and I saw you in front of Retiro, you were selling pasteles. I was going to say hello to you as you weren't very busy but I had to get to Sipan Cocina Peruana & Pisco to meet some friends and when I passed by again you were gone. Maybe next time! By the way, you are incredibly ugly!
@80 Z-go
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ you are incredibly ugly”
That's because Sussie is a man, not “an attractive 5'6” 145lb proud Argentinian woman”
LOL LOL
Ahhh, Soozy,soozy. who winds you up? whirr whirr whirr.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 081
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget the perfect “roman” nose! I hear La Campora is paying for her vaginoplasty if she manages to make one credible point in this forum, unfortunately she has yet to come up with a single one and is therefore still flapping in the wind!
@80!
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did not mean to offend Sussie...she is spanish not italian and lives in Las Vegas Nevada USA. Nice argentinian
84 Sussie
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You aren't smart enough to pull this off. Looks like you may have to pay for your vaginoplasty yourself.
The level and heights of her stupidity is boundless and infinite!
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@84 Sussie
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember what you said about impersonating other users?
You were not happy about it:
““Cristina looks like me after a day of work. As a working woman I understand her. I am a strong Argentinean woman and not matter what you say I will be here for 4 more years.
Those people who copy me...///... you can’t copy me, I am Susana Brown.
I do live in US. I came here to escape from my town in Patagonia. I grew up there but when was I very just being sexually active girl I was looked after by a Peruvian worker. He used to pick me up on way back from school. I didn’t like him first but then I like to call him papi. When I got pregnated for the first time by him my baby looked like a Peruvian. My parents sent me to USA. Here I have to work real hard turning lots of tricks, lots of man...sometimes 15 a day. ”
How embarrassing for you!!!
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