MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Political mission” sent to Ghana for release of ARA Libertad returns empty handed
The Argentine tight-lipped ‘political’ delegation sent to Ghana to try and achieve the release of the Navy’s flagship ARA Libertad impounded by a US based fund and confirmed by an Accra court, is returning to Buenos Aires empty handed not before experiencing a tense incident with the crew of the vessel docked in Tema. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo the Argies wanted the the government of Ghana to twist the arm of the judiciary. That is like saying “we know you are more corrupt that us and you don't care about the rule of law so please reject your law and let us have that boat”.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How insulting can the Argies get? Have they not heard of Magna Carta
They left empty handed. Chuckle Chuckle!
Apparently the political delegation was unable to convince the Ghana government ‘to twist the arm’ of the courts and two diplomats were left in Accra
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently after the visitors left there was a “sigh of relief” because some members of the crew confessed to the officers they wanted “to punch them in the face”.
the story that just keeps giving lol
the political delegation was unable to convince the Ghana government ‘to twist the arm’ of the courts
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stupidity and arrogance of these RG hooligans is breathtaking.
They have have no idea how a functioning democracy works.
Sickening
I wonder if the Argentine “political” delegation took the bribe dollars back to Bs. As. with them or if the Ghanian politicos relived them of their heavy burden?????
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the judicial separate in Argentina?
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is Argentine diplomacy at its best :) they wont have a navy left by the time they have finished
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hopefully the Ghana government keeps strong on its decision and does let itself intimidate by the arg government robber gang.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is so nice to follow the story of the kitchencrew of housewife ck. when will they lift the knifes against each other?
And just when you thought Argentina couldn't be embarrassed anymore...
Oct 19th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So basically they tried to bribe the Ghanaians, and failed.
Who is CFK gonna blame this time? Apparently nothing that goes wrong in Argentina is her fault despite the fact that she's President.
Putridjelly: Madame President, the invasion is off, until we can recover your flagship.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK:I thought you said our Pampers jet can take on the evil English?
PutridJelly: Er, I asked the pilots and they said they wanted some Typhoons.
CFK: Well easy we take out another loan, buy the Eurofighters from England then just don't pay them back.
Putridjelly: Well we are brassy enough to try anything but what about some Astute submarines?
CFK: No way, I want my overseas money stash overseas in case we get kicked out.
Putrid jelly: OK, can we salvage the Santa Fe?
By the look on Putridjelli’s face he is waiting for the Sword of Damocles to drop and put him out of his misery.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha, oh joy!
I wonder how many more of TMBOA will get rid of?
She will blame the uk as it is a British legal system , yes the Brits are to blame again for usurping her property
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their plan says everything one needs to know about the Argentine (no) justice system.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank CFK for not paying the ransom money for the kidnaped ship, and thank you for saving tax payers money from wasting it on navy relic ship that has Never cut a pirate in Islas Malvinas Argentina, all Argetines hope we use that money to build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina. We salute you CFK and keep up the good work meet this criminals in the international courts. And remember that this bastards already have all their money back that's why we don't have it. And our resources is for Argentina to have jobs not for them to theft. I also demand Argentina to bring up the royalties collected for mining. Closer to what Australia and Canada charges from 25% to 49% and no industry complains.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2002/2-2.html
Maybe CFKC would send you $1,000 so you could return to your beloved Argentina for good. : )
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Oct 19th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few points.
1. You can't 'kidnap' a ship.
@13 give it up knob you will never have a nuclear defence program, you are boring, she will never go to international courts because she is a coward and made to look the twat that she is and her so called friends are making it even worse, and I demand that you shut the fuck up about the Falklands and sort your own shit out. Can't you see it, most of the topics on here have nothing to do with the Falklands just your own failure across the civilised world, but you then turn it round to be about the Falklands. Train crash (falklands fault) Ghana (falklands fault), Tinman a tit (falklands fault), Harvard embarrassment (falklands fault), Dollar clamp ( falklands fault), plastic sugery not working (falklands fault) etc etc etc, yada yada boring twats grow up and do something about it instead of gobbing off, and I don't mean whinging to Nato or the C24,25, 26, red cross, SC, blue peter, newsround etc etc, faggots!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARA Libertad Spanish for freedom i think not, this has been the best comedy of errors i have ever seen.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one Ghana!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BooHoo Argentina...still no flagship, go cry some more :) :)
pirat hunter join the rg army and be a man and not a keybord warrior
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there are any Canadians here, you really need to get rid of alex vargas,,,,,,,aka the puddle hunter.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting how hostile the crew feel towards CFKC's politicians. Their pride is hurt and their government has made them look fools. Look out Madam President.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My previous post was incomplete so I'll start again.
1. You can't 'kidnap' a ship.
2. You won't be saving taxpayers money if you're being hit a $50,000 a day port fees.
3. You can't build a nuclear defence programme with $20 million.
4. You're a tit!
it makes me laugh the twat thinks nuclear weapons are the answer to his deluded problems, we could launch 1 (one) missle 12 independant warheads and wipe the arseholes off the face of the earth, 90 million a missle, cheap at half the price if you ask me, my point is people like pirate munter have no idea what they wish for, and sometimes what you wish for comes true. Standby for some rhetoric and complete crap.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did once go through the coatings of developing a nuclear weapon programme with Pirat-hunter once.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My estimates of developing, building weapons and delivery systems, security of the weapons against terrorists, and general maintenance of those weapons and delivery systems would cost several billion US dollars, with an approximate US$20,000,000 annual maintenance cost.
If Argentina ever did get nuclear weapons hey probably wouldn't maintain them, or their delivery systems, jut like they haven't maintained their naval vessels.
PH is a deluded boy. It's easy to talk the talk, but not so easy to walk the walk.
What was observed by other countries represenatives is confirmed by the article: “...political delegation was unable to convince the Ghana government ‘to twist the arm’ of the courts ”...
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perfect example of the Argentine diplomats and Admiralty arrogance. Ghana is not going to be intimidated.
A warning to those who say goodriddance to the loss of a national symbol, especially striking ones colors in defeat. Voters will become very unhappy...
@ 8 & 9
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how about me....I'm scare
lol
@24 if their flagship is anything to go by, any nuclear defense would be in the shape of a tri plane with a suitcase bomb strapped to the front, piloted by an argentine world war hero with no pension.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually that would never happen,Argentina have no war heroes.
Ghanaian bailiffs best bailiffs.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hold firm and don't let the idle bluster intimidate you :)
@24 he knows jack shit talks a good fight, that's his lot probably on his mothers teet as we speak, “mum i'm being bullied by those nasty brits” as I said before if they get twitchy about rapier (range 4 miles ) what are they going to be like at next Trident d5 test launch (range 6000+). PH knows fook all about fook all
Oct 19th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that the crew will take Mr. Singer up on his invitation back to their homeland. I hear he has also guaranteed the port charges if he gets the boat. Pretty soon Argentina is going to have to pay that bill and at U$50k/day it adds up pretty quickly. I heard the navy is already freaking out about the bill.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That bipolar hag should just cough up the $ and put this to rest. I think she gets dumber every day.
You have to feel for all those cadets... the biggest adventure of the lives thus far totally screwed up by their 'commander in thief' and her cronies.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would query the wharfage cost of $50,000 a day. That is usually tonnage based and I would have expected it to be waived on a courtesy call by a navy ship. Maybe it is charged on a sliding scale.... first week free, $2k a day second week, $4k the next, $16k the next..... that would bankrupt Casa Rosada muy pronto....
It's a valuable lesson that even Europeans are slowly starting to comprehend: The PROBLEM - is the Wall Street mafia in New Yaaark. The Europeans underestimated them - while that Mafia sold crap as investment for governments and investors in Europe, (but also in the USA!). In the meantime - Latin American governments had learned from their own gullible mistakes in the past century - and had stopped listening to “good advice” from Wall Street “banksters” and the U.S. government. That's why most nations in Latin America today have positive growth, and increased social benefits. Now of course “British LIBOR Banks” are also being dragged into federal courts in the U.S. and in Europe....and that will be far more costly to “Great Britain” then a mere sailing ship or $ 320 million!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel sorry for the crew who are told nothing about the situation, I am not surprised they are angry but the worst is still to come when they get back home and are paraded as heroes before CFK that will be a true humiliation
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 032. Anyone dumb enough to use the term “banksters” shouldn't be allowed to post.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23 what is more laughable is him thinking they can build a nuclear defense on credit...they have no international funds.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frank I feel for most any military because they are the ususual pawn of most poilticians, one that have control over them I mean.
( 25) Chicureo
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“ A warning to those who say good-riddance to the loss of a national symbol, especially striking ones colors in defeat. Voters will become very unhappy...”
I say:
The “Libertad”, pretty as She is, is NOT a national symbol.
It’s no more then a symbol of the privileged military elite.
A symbol, many of us would be happy to see disappear.
Besides; the Libertad (as her sister Esmeralda) is stained with the blood of opponents to the tyranny….
The Plan Condor was to involve every branch of the Armed Farces in the killings…. and so it did.
Anyhow…. It seems that finally that pretty ship is fulfilling a useful mission…..
Any defeat to the “Vulture Funds” would be a victory for the progressive forces all over the World.
Sadly, international law does not permit countries to sieze other's warships. There are no exceptions. I expect Ghana got a deal where their BS debt was cancelled or refi'd in return for going after the Libertad.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Argentina is going to have to cut that ship out, since Ghana has committed a clear belligerent act and has refused peaceful opportunities to clear up the situation.
I'd really like yo know what this statement :“to punch them in the face”. was about. More interesting than the rest of the article,..maybe some inside information?
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Argentina is going to have to cut that ship out,
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahahaa
With what? You don't have anything that can get across the Atlantic!
Idiot
The crew 'wanted to punch them in the face' LOL
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good old Argentina never fails to deliver at embarrassing itself on the world stage.
Whats next from the ministry of maniacs?
@37
Oct 19th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should try reading up on the judgement of the Ghana court. http://www.graphic.com.gh/news/page.php?news=24264&title=Argentine%20Government%20Loses%20Bid%20To%20Free%20Naval%20Ship%20Libertad
It seems they weren't terribly impressed with the argument that signing an agreement to waive sovereign immunity doesn't count if you're Argentina.
Think: Despite both tall ships being tarnished due to the incredible poor leadership of the Argentinian and Chilean Admiralties, they remain an important symbols of our countries, promoting peace and solidarity. Look at the number countries with cadets aboad now. It is one of the most valuable training methods known to promote unity worldwide.
Oct 19th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can perfectly imagine the frustration and anger of the crew and officers caught up in this mess.
What sent a chill to the back of my neck was to read: “The court further ordered the Harbour Master, whether by himself or his assigns or agents, to preserve the presence of the ship and also go on board to take possession of all its mandatory documents.” For a commanding officer to surrender his ship's documents is one step below having to strike the ship's colors, which is a disgrace. The captain and first officer will be humiliated. I feel so sorry for them.
I wouldn't worry about the cadets. Ghanaian ladies are some of the most beautiful in West Africa!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - define progressive for us please. I have yet to ever see a group of socialists progress anything except poverty, oppression and misery.
“It’s no more then a symbol of the privileged military elite”
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now there is a first. How bad does a country have to be for the military to be considered an elite class of society? The military is many things, tough, relentless, elite trained force, but never an elite class of society. They are usually pawns for politicians.
Beef, I fully agree with your last statement. And as cuntina kirchner said, “the model is not finished”. That's because some RG's still have money, land and houses to take.
I just figured out why they are obsessed by pirates --- they themselves are pirates, lying, cheating, stealing, expropriating living as outlaws, ignoring all legal action, now we got one of the pirate ships, boom!
Oct 19th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If alex vaargas.....aka pirate hunter, more aptly puddle pooch, ever left Canada and seen argentina he would know that as well. But he lies in the cradle of comfort and freedom provided to him by Canada and North America. Something he would never experience in argentina
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0(43) Beef
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“I have yet to ever see a group of socialists progress anything except poverty, oppression and misery.”
I say:
You mean...pauver, oppresed and miserable like the part of the world my Clan originated from?
(Social-democratic Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Holland)
Maybe you should travel a little more to democracies and not to all those arab autocracies, monarquies and dictatorships you so muchseem to favor.......
I'd say start mass deportations of all west africans, close the Ghana embassy. They wan to play by the law, fine. There's a few thousands of illegal west africans in Argentina over the last 10 years. Send them to them, drop them in Accra. The ambassador too.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0At 48, great strategy! That will solve it! Idiot!!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get your thesaurus out and give us laugh instead of the above tedium!
Did I say anything untrue? Everyone knows theres a few thousand of stowaways from West Africa all over Argentina. Not legal, sent them back. It's not lawful to be illegal.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I guess when its for Argentina's benefit you are not in favor of the rule of law. Of course, typical brit.
@20 Captain Poppy (#)
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If there are any Canadians here, you really need to get rid of alex vargas,,,,,,,aka the puddle hunter.
@22 Lou Spoo (#)
My previous post was incomplete so I'll start again.
1. You can't 'kidnap' a ship.
2. You won't be saving taxpayers money if you're being hit a $50,000 a day port fees.
3. You can't build a nuclear defence programme with $20 million.
4. You're a tit!
Well, here he is on facebook:
Lots of photos of snipers in Afghanistan, YPF flag, political cartoons about 'NATO should keep hands off Libya', many pics of Ghadaffy, Bin Laden - some anti-semitic stuff - brain-washed hater.
Falklands - pics of “ RG Governor”, Vernet and his grandmother, Malvinista maps etc.
https://www.facebook.com/avargas2001
Alex Vargas
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=332871196758497&set=pb.100001068575678.-2207520000.1350436
I just looked at the Alex Vargas link. If any of the readers here are not understanding the mentality of the Argentine government in handling it's Economy/International Policy/Domestic Politics, I suggest you read the news article about “Cristina reflota sueño del auto argentino”.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only in Argentina, would anyone think of something so incredibly stupid.
Which gives us a minor understanding of why Argentina is such a disaster.
@52
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really? What does Chile produce after 30 years of development? Nothing.
Keep your arrogance to your military “might”. When it comes to actually producing industry, Chile is an utter failure. Once copper fades as a valuable, what the heck is there left?
I think its great that this vulture will keep the ship just as long as the courts gives us a receipt for the 20.000.000.00 $ dollars they originally asked for ransom, mean while Argentine would be well advice to work on building a nuclear defence program and end the theft of The Argentine resources by mining corporates as well as foreign land owners. National security should come first.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=BQZbOY5Q3ZU
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=BQZbOY5Q3ZU
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?feature=plpp&v=BQZbOY5Q3ZU
Our economy is too dependent on world copper prices, but we continue to diversify into a wide range of valuable exports. In the past 30 years we've paid off our international debts and the level of poverty has dropped while the middle class has grown. the Chilean instfrasture has drastically imoproved and our. Defense forces are far superiour in the region. Our public medical and educational system has been neglected and we need to solve urgently.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is strong belief here that we will enter into the club of a First World Nations in 2018. We lack nuclear power pltant
like a game of chess, if the Govt. of Argentina pay up, the floodgates of asset seizures will open, if they don't, inward investment will dry up.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0check mate
@49
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a shame. When he was the Troll, he had a style of his own and some originality in his positions. Now he's little better than second fiddle to the moron Alex Vargas.
Bring back the Troll, I say.
It seems the crew of this ship have very little sympathy or hope with regards their own government.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0They, at least, are realists.
@47 I don't Think aka ‘The Turnip In Chief’
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lesson 101 in English (not American; not capitalising letters ignored)
(43) Beef
You say:
“I have yet to ever see a group of socialists progress anything except poverty, oppression and misery.”
I say:
You mean...pauver, oppresed (Sic: oppressed) and miserable like the part of the world my Clan originated from?
(Social-democratic Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Holland)
Maybe you should travel a little more to democracies and not to all those arab (Sic: Arab) autocracies, monarquies (Sic: monarchies) and dictatorships you so muchseem (Sic: much seem) to favour (Sic: favour).......
FOUR errors this time. I should start thinking Think, whether it was a good idea to take the piss out of me when I was being open and honest about learning Spanish.
I wish I'd got up earlier today. I would have had so much longer to laugh at argieland's ineptitude, stupidity, embarrassment and failure. I reckon that, when you don't have diplomatic relations with another state, it's not a good idea to set off to another continent with a fanfare of publicity about your intention to get a court of law overruled. If said political delegation had departed, and arrived in Ghana, in a low-key, unnoticed fashion, it wouldn't have been quite so embarrassing to get the bum's rush.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Well, alex, I see you're off on your usual hunt for a nuclear defence. Why don't you pop over the border and ask the Americans if they have anything they could sell you cheap. Given your country's expertise with munitions, we can confidently expect your “nuclear defence” to blow the place up. Saving us the trouble.
@32 I read your comment with interest. My initial impression was that it was going to be sane and intelligent. It wasn't. But perhaps you gave yourself a “get-out”. That's why most nations in Latin America today have positive growth, and increased social benefits.“ If only you'd inserted ”except argieland“!
@36 Of course it's a national symbol of argieland! Represents ineptitude, stupidity, embarrassment and failure.
@37 Sounds luike a ”sussie“.
@48 Mass deportations? How? AA doesn't go there.
@50 Who let them in? Wouldn't they sort of stand out?
@54 ”National security”? Since when has argieland had anything anyone would want?
@55 You don't have a lot of hope of entering the club of First World Nations. You need to look up what it means. Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-world_nations On the other hand, if you stop kowtowing to argieland..........?
Well Conqueror,
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you consider the current economic growth here in Chile with our very independent Central Bank and open private investment opportunities (exports are tax free) we seem to be on our way.
I made a typo on the last post that We lack nuclear power only because of our concern for earthquakes like in Japan.
Cheers!
@61 Well Chicureo
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had any guts (aka courage, balls, integrity, honesty, responsibility), you would understand that entering the club of First World Nations requires a little more than transferring your economy from goods to services. Why is it that LatAm countries can't understand “maturity”. Chile may be “advanced” in terms of “goods”. Otherwise they are shit. Democratic? Only when it suits! Free? Except that it has to obey argieland. And we mustn't forget that exchanging students with the Falklands isn't allowed. Goodbye Chile. You are “owned”. Will you be “Chile” province? Cowards!
@53 George 'Tobias' Popodopolos
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you're an anti-American, here's a song for you ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
Enjoy
13 Pirat-Hunter
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a weapons-grade idiot of the highest order.
@ 48 Tobias, T_T_MickeyMouse, G_O_T, etc.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There's a few thousands of illegal west africans in Argentina”
Argentina is and has always been an immigrant country, where nobody is illegal:
Fallo de Cámara asegura que “ningún ser humano es ilegal” http://www.cij.gov.ar/nota-7044-Fallo-de-Camara-asegura-que--ningun-ser-humano-es-ilegal-.html
@66
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha, yeah sure. Mass deportations, their coming. It's the law.
66 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0.............................Clown.............!!!!
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