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ARA Libertad: Defence minister takes responsibility; Ghana embarrassed with the incident
Argentine Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli took responsibility on Thursday for the fate of the navy training frigate Libertad, which continues to be impounded in Ghana. Meanwhile from Ghana a top official said the country was “embarrassed” with the whole incident. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo to paraphrase the Sun, so beloved of some argies:
Oct 25th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“IT WAS TMBOA THAT TOLD ME TO DO IT!”
“It wasn’t me honest!”
LOLs
Some wee while to go for a resolution on this it seems. May the Ghanaians be bold and play the Argentines a long ball.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are the Argies going to pay the $50,000 per day mooring costs? Or will they claim they are skint and ask to only pay 30% of the amount the owe.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sums these thieving bunch up!
I am a little surprised that Singer has not instructed his team to go for an enforcement notice in his favour from the court.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given TMBOA’s latest diatribe and seemingly giving up on getting the ship back it seems the realistic option now. The Ghanaians seem to want the ship out of the way and this is a perfect solution to that problem.
If the Captain is lucky Singer might offer him a job on a permanent basis to move this and other AG vessels they will get in the future back to where Singer wants them. LOLs
The debtors are after Tango One - perhaps this will happen when Cristina makes her next mad dash to the UN.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should wait some Asian (Pacific)countries' commentators opinions they are sleeping right now.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should be Argentina that's embarrassed.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0& 7
Oct 25th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote reply to you about religions at related article.
At some point, the docking fees will be so much that, whatever the outcome, Argentina will have to hand over the ARA Libertad as payment for all the acrued Port / docking fees!!!!!
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I would love to be there when they try and settle THAT bill.
5 Brit Bob
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that would be good, but AG has got a settled decision in California 27th March 2007 that as Commander in Chief TMBOA Tango 1 is considered a military aircraft and therefore exempt.
See No. C 07-80084 WHA.
This is a ‘local’ (to Ca) decision and would not trouble a man of Singer’s fortitude: he would trump it with a NY and UK decision(s) as long as the plane was in either location.
Well done Ghana. They are playing the diplomatic game well.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, it does seem that Puricelli has been told to take the blame but he is pointing the finger at CFKC. : ) I think they under-estimate how annoyed people in Argentina are about this.
“Meanwhile from Ghana a top official said the country was “embarrassed” with the whole incident.”
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be! Your judges and officials are taking brives and kickbacks by seizing other nations property illegally.
11 ElaineB
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that, TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / KFC under-estimates how p*ssed off EVERYONE in Argentina is with her.
Not a day goes by that she doesn't embarrass her country or upset the population or some forgien power.......... May I suggest that she is liviing on borrowed time and that time is running out.
@ 13
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, what....the USA keep borrowing billons of dollars just to keep afloat! the USA ship is sinking and stinks!
@13 I certainly hope so. Her biggest mistake is turning on the military and her own ministers.
Oct 25th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 ProARGIE Amerindian
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You should be! Your judges and officials are taking brives and kickbacks by seizing other nations property illegally.”
“Illegally” seizing property,
(Ghanian)“Judges and officials are taking bribes and kickbacks”
Really?? - those are very serious libelous statements against principled Ghanian court officials !
They had a legal Court Order from a US court allowing the creditors to seize the ship.
Otherwise, they would not have done it.
Unless... you are calling them crooks???
12- Arg Govt when first issuing the Bonds declared all its assets liable and thus waived right of normal immunity etc - care to dispute it?
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where is Puricelli now?
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is he in NY or Ghana??
Can he go home? Ever??
15 ElaineB
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But is there any country left that would take her in? I mean, she has upset so many people that I should think that when the sh*t hits the fan, she won't exactly be welcomed with open arms by the rest of the world will she?
She may find a lot of Embassy's have their door shut with a sign on them saying “Back in 5 mins”.
18 Troy Tempest
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where is Puricelli now?”
He's in a helicopter heading out to the plate for a quick trip: he won't be coming back!
LOLs
High sea diving again?????? LOL
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now ladies and gentlemen be informed that the Tema port is 100% operational again and STATUS of ship at Berth N.11 is:
ARRESTED
ooops ... my memory ... I've forgot that ship's name ... help me please ;-)
@12
Oct 25th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like Repsol?
11 ElaineB (#) ”Well done Ghana. They are playing the diplomatic game well.'
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmmmm! It's as if this is being done for or with the help of an unmentioned party. I wonder who?
Well. Captain, you and your crew are in for a long haul. Just continue being the fly in their ointment. Just wait for the rotation crew. The corrupt Ghana authorities were expecting a quick payoff, don't let it happen. It is your chance to avenge this illegal seizure.
Interesting to see the way these sackings and resignations have been going... straight up the line via the Head of the Navy to his boss... Putridjelli...
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who should be next? His boss? who is?
They should be embarrassed!
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://lettersblogatory.com/2011/11/16/nml-capital-goes-to-europe/
NML tried in USA, Belgium and France. They were denied by international law. They had to go all the way to Ghana to find someone that didn't have a problem making a fool out of themselves for some bucks. And now their port is blocked....
@25
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try, Guzz, but those cases concerned diplomatic immunity under the Vienna Convention. The Libertad isn't a diplomatic mission. Note also that in the French case the Cour de Cassation recognised the principle of a state waiving its immunity.
The Ghana court judgement also examined the issue of legal opinions elsewhere, and concluded that in Ghana it was Ghanaian law that counted. I'm sure you wouldn't want to deny Ghana the sovereignity to have its law respected in its own ports.
Would you also care to answer the question I've been asking you on the other thread, which is, why did Argentina sign a contract with a waiver in it, if it now considers the waiver invalid?
26
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I thought you said one could contract ones way around international law...
To answer your question, Argentina waivered everything not protected under international law, simple as that.
Guzz : I am truly amazed the argentine foreign office haven't recruited you . You knowledge of diplomacy and international law is breathtaking , your loyalty to the Kirchnerite cause is undoubted , and finally , your constant whining is never ending .
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To summarize :
The Falkland Islands are still British
The Libertad is not a liberty , it's a ward of the Ghanean court , surrendered without a shot been fired (I detect a pattern here... er 1982 and all that ? )
@24 Frank
Oct 25th, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hint
the Commander in Thief ;-)
@3 Beef
Please don't be mislead by poorly researche and reported, and self-replicating, news:
$50,000/day are for accruing interest for delinquent debt.
“mooring costs” (I was told the term is not accurate, but I suppose you mean the fee just for berth occupation) have been reported by some articles at $3,000. It seems to me a reasonable estimate (my guess was a little lower for just staying there).
@27
Oct 25th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the contract says Argentina waives immunity over “**any** of its revenues, assets or properties”. No exclusions, exceptions, or qualifications there. So why sign such an article if it's not what you meant, or if you think it's invalid under international law? Was it just incompetence, maybe? Or bad faith already
at the time of signing of the contract?
30
Oct 25th, 2012 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0USA thinks international law counts first.
Belguim think international law counts first.
France thinks international law comes first.
Ghana thinks... does what they are told.
@19tooold
Oct 25th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”She may find a lot of Embassy's have their door shut with a sign on them saying “Back in 5 mins”.
Or,
Sorry, full-up, we already have an Assange!!
you need to publish a list mate!
Oct 26th, 2012 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where you can go and what you can use to get there.
What a state of affairs, terrorism or war restricting the free movement of your citizens? No! it's the ferkin bailiffs!!!! Oh the shame! you have become the laughing stock of the world and you only have yourselfs to blame.
33
Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chris has plenty of lists...
And no, I'm not Ghanian...
@Guzz - Lol you keep quoting international law and USA, yet you forget that Ghana acted on a court order from the USA.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You also forget that under international law, when you waive immunity on all your assets, that all assets military or not no longer have immunity and can be claims by the other party as security when you fail to pay your debts!
35
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is why you lot had to take it all the way to Ghana? Face it, as you've done 28 times before :))))
To the Brits.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz is in his 'deny reality' mode at the moment.
When he calms down a bit he will be OK.
Chris
Oct 26th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reality is, that the vulture fonds wont get no fregata. Either ;)
@38 Guzz
Oct 26th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now who do I believe has the greater knowledge of the law in this matter?
His Lordship Justice Richard Adjei-Frimpong of the High Court Of Ghana, using ALL the written international judgements relating TO THIS CASE (not all the other distractions you have used) so that he could arrive at his CONSIDERED JUDGEMENT?
OR
A bunch of lying, deceitful ‘ministers’ and TMBAO, spouting ‘we will never give in to the vultures’ or some other nonsense?
Let me think for 1 second, divided by the number googol.
I think you have the answer.
What I'm saying is that you lot had to take it all the way to Ghana to find someone that agreed with your version of the law. My bet is that Frimpong tends to agree with the biggest sack of gold...
Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will just not hold in ICJ, and should it work, SA will know why.
Win-win, at least for my cause :)
And Argentinas version of the law(dont pay back our debt its all false, give us the falklands they are ours even though you foudn it first) is better? please take this issure to the ICJ, and see where it gets you.
Oct 26th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
Oct 26th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who was it that listed the computer state in a decreasing manner (a listing I believe).
But you don’t need me to tell you in a list what countries that AG DARE NOT take anything that does not have diplomatic immunity: ANY country in the world that respects International Judgements and will not be coerced or bribed by you mates AG.
Perhaps Iran, Syria, N. Korea: MAYBE Russia, The Chin, and of course the lefties in LatAm.
No-one of any consequence though, not even Angola who TMBOA thought were her new big mates.
And do you really see this bunch of crooks going to the ICJ or any of the respectable International Institutions, you know, all the ones AG have pissed off in the past?
Come on! Give yourself a break from defending the indefensible otherwise we will have to call you The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha! :o)
That's a point, what the hell ever happened to Angola?
Oct 26th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely, at least 1 of the 400 she took with her managed to con, I mean, arrange a deal with some of them. Why no news of it?
Argentine people around the world support CFK 100%.
Oct 27th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we demand CFK to create a vulture tax for imports coming from all nations in support of vulture funds. There is no need to travel around the world to deliver a message when you can do it from your home. We kindly thank all outsider for their cheerful support and self serving contributions, but ultimately is the Argentine people who will bear the consequence of our actions. When every friend is out to back stab you it is better to stay home with your family!..this tax will do exactly that make those vulture funds supporting nation keep their busyness at home, a hefty 25% vulture tax can be a good starting base. Just an idea, One of the many because apparently a nuclear defence program is costly and we need as much revenues as we can gather. A few years ago in Ontario Canada I witness how the government overcrowded jail with panhandlers and homeless to use the excuse to build a new super jail. All in a days work for the “gringo”, I wonder what the squeegee kids are doing this days? last time I seen them they where steering up trouble with the occupy movement. We love you CFK you are the best.
@44 Pirat-Alex
Oct 28th, 2012 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0STOP SPAMMING with your off topic rants.
MODERATOR, please remove.
Anyone wonder why he lives in a Country he obviously has no respect for?
Oct 28th, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 PH ALEX Vargas
Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another spam-post by you, generic for every thread subject.
Here is my spam answer to your statements:
Alex, what tripe are you peddling now?
- first, it's way off-topic, another Toronto-centric rant because you cannot travel, and have experienced nothing else.
- secondly, this is just one more unsubstantiated wild conspiracy theory
-also, what is the significance of “gringo”?
Do think perhaps the chip on your shoulder and your racism may be a barrier to integrating in what is a very egalitarian and inclusive society ??
With it's large percentage of immigrants, Toronto likely has less than 60% of it households speaking English or French as a first language.
You are the odd (supposedly reluctant) immigrant that does not fit in.
- Occupy Toronto, how long ago was that? A year? More?
And what happened in Canada - they were given lots of press and were unmolested, though many health, property damage, and drug laws were broken.
In Argentina, I don't think they would put up with protests - split a few heads, maybe? But then, who cares - those people deserve it and are not productive for CFK and Argentina, right???
I think alexis vargas has watched to much field of dreams. If they build it, they will come is stuck in his insignificant brain..........Every morning he wakes he repeats......if I say it, it will happen....if I say it, it will happen....if I.......
Oct 28th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 Poppy
Oct 28th, 2012 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is at Church today with his mother, waiting for God to tell him who deserves to be maimed and killed.
Later, he will check with “The Madonna and Child” on the Internet, CFK and Maximo.
Well, Puricelli's still in post, seems like he was just mature, accepted his responsibilities, and moved on, despite the frantic chatter about purges on here...
Nov 03rd, 2012 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 BK
Nov 03rd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are digging for something to say - going this far back. This thread died and the last comment was a week ago.
Still... I'll play ball for you:
Yes, the 3 Stooges are still there, Curley (Timerman), Larry (Putridjelly), and Moe ( known to us as “Maxi - Moe” )
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