Voters in Puerto Rico have supported a non-binding referendum to become a full US state. The measure will require approval from the US Congress, but President Barack Obama has said he will respect the vote. Read full article
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Self-determination at work, Argies.Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
If it happens, the UN C24 decolonisation committee will immediately file a case that Puerto Rico has been colonised by 'Americans'.Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
ha, yes indeed,.. cant wait to see the all-powerful c24 complaining that this is usurption and colonialism or that the people do not deserve the right of self-determination.Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Could be a nice precedent for the FI though... it would be VERY hard for the US NOT to support the FI if they go ahead with this integration.
We have been waiting for this..........facinating stuff, self determination at work in a country that is made up of immigrants, is about 600 miles from the USA and is culturally, historically and linguistically separate from the USA......but is free to choose. Actually I think the slaves were implanted, but we won't go there. And it probably belongs to the Dominican Republic which is only 200 miles away..............Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Chew on that Malvinistas.
Oh joy.....just what we want, another state. PR is better off as their own countryNov 08th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Lol PoppyNov 08th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Your dream came true :)
Tell your sweetheart we have an island for sale....reall cheap and I hear she wants one bad enough to lie. She can have our PR.Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Realistically there are prerequisites the PR must fulfill even before Congress can bring a vote to admo=it, they first need to vote to enact....telling PR what they must do first.
Greenland has a better chance as the 51st state before PR id they sucessfully succeed from Denmark......BTW, is Greenland in the UN's decolonization sub comittee?
No Way! This will become our version of Northern Ireland.Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
1 MichaelLocke (#) Self determination does not apply to Malvinas.
The United States will not vote for staehood for PR......they are better off an independent nation island....without being a territoryNov 08th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Puerto Rico only can be part of Florida,can not a full state of US.Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
On June 15, 2009, the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization approved a draft resolution calling on the Government of the United States to expedite a process that would allow the Puerto Rican people to exercise fully their inalienable right to self-determination and independence.Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
President Barack Obama has promised to support Puerto Rican statehood if that option is chosen by the voters in Puerto Rico.
54% of Puerto Rico voters favour becoming a full US state.
I wonder if Obama's willingness to see that PR gets 'full statehood' encompasses 'full statehood within the USA'?
50 ... 51 ... 52 ... It seems that minnows want to be a full member of the club rather than minnows in a big boy's fish pond.
Thanks but no thanks, Puersto Rico. Mississippi has better ethics & a higher gdp.Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
.Gracias pero es mejor q eres libre
Argies getting jealous again,Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The envy of losers is astounding,
Perhaps argentina would like to become part of the US .
This will disappoint the current Comedy Club in charge of Argieland which supports the Puerto Rico Independence Party and is also working with other pillars of democracy like China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria and Iran in the UN C24 group for an independent American Samoa, Guam and US Virgin Islands.Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#11 who and where is 50, 51 and 52? Obama may speak of his willingness for PR tp become a state, HR needs to create a bill to send to the senate to approve for Obama to sign. Republicans will never adopt a bill for PR statehood.Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#13 Briton...geez...thanks....I wouldn't wish argentina on.....well...argentina!
But has anybody noticed that old reliable statistic 54%!Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So it must be right.
15,Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
it seems she is jealouse of others being part of a team,
A team that she has no part.
Hey, I thought we were referred to as the 51st State here in the UK? Ruins the title to the film anyway.Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
My view is that this is positive, if only because a status quo that should never even have been an option, ie non-citizenship of a non-country, the US equivalent of a BOT, has finally been rejected. Independence has its benefits, joining the US (and stregthening the demographic lockout of the vile Republican Party) has its benefits too...Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
This is great, more people to teach the yanks spanish. They do complain that the PR's don't speak english, win-win :)Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Btw J Lo looks nice in the picture, almost as good as some of the pictures of Cristina =)Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
YouB_K & Guzz on good form today.Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Chris knows the importance of 54% ..... a majority, without 51%'s element of doubt ... must be true!
PR will never become a state of the USA....period. They come and go without passports and visa already. NYC and Holyoke, Mass has more PRs than it can handle already.Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
no self-determination then? or self-determination but only when it suits you lot?Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
#23 Then will you let them be independent? Surely you don't want a BOT that DOESN'T want to stay a BOT (or USOT in this case!)Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
How you idiot.....54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that. I can say I want to work at IBM....that doesn't mean IBM is going to hire me. The state of California can vote to have Ford motors build an assembly plant in their state, it does nt mean Ford will build an assembly plant in California.Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
If Buenos Aires votes they want to be part of Chile, can they become a province of Chile?
54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that.Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
PR will never become a state of the USA....period
You ok Poppy?
of course why?Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
if 54% of them wants to become a state, and they decide as you say, then how comeNov 09th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
“PR will never become a state of the USA....period”
as you too say...?
#26 If Buenos Aires votes they want to be part of Chile, can they become a province of Chile?Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Yes, why not? Back in the real world some Chilean towns want to become Argie =)
#29 Argentina can vote and say.....we want to become a state.......that does not mean that we can allow you in just because you can to me a member to the club. Do you really think that because someone votes themselves to be a stae they get carte blanc pass to statehood? Really now guzz...thnk for a moment.Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It takes a congressional process for acceptance into statehood.There are a lot in congress and the general public that do not want PR as a state or a territory. That is why we keep asking them to vote hoping they will become a nation. There are not enough votes to remove PR as a territory, nor enough votes to get statehood.
#30 wake for you stupid siesta.....and I doubt those Chilean towns want to be RG again. My cousin spent 12 years in CHile and married a CHilean.......They have a lot more going for them that RG's will ever have under peronism.
how do you explainNov 09th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
“54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that.”
if it's the congress' decision, as you say now?
It's a two way street......like buying a house.....someone has to be selling it in order to buy is. As I said before we would prefer that PR becomes a independent nation than a state. Just becuase the President supports statehood doesn;t mean he can make them a state. Unlike argentina where congress is the presidents lap dog. All laws of this country come out of congress and the president is the administrator of the government. Becoming a state is a process......the group of people, whomnever they be has to want statehood and congress has to approve of them being a state. Now that PR voted for statehood, congress has to bring up the vote to act on, if it is important enough to make the agenda set by the speaker of the house. If it does, the first vote is to enact that sets the stage for what PR must do first.....requirements. If they do, the next is the actual vote, and if that vote passes, the bill is then sent to the senate for them to vote, if it passes there, it gets sent to the president to sign into law.Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Simple question Poppy - why don't you want them?Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Their governor (equivalent to their president is REPUBLICAN, British Kirchnerist. You're reliably surfacey.Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It's a simple analysis of benefit/cost analysis, plus I don't think we are in the position to support a state where the vast economy is based on tourism. That would mean PR would have more federal dollars going into PR the going out....I prefer to cut the cord. PR is an extremely poor island and I personnally do not feel it's my responsiblilty to support them, or anyone for that matter. They would contribute just under 4 billion to the treasury and based on formulations, they would reseive about 20 billion from federal allocations. It wasn't me that annexed PR.Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
U.S. here-and the OVERWHELMING number of Redditors with Captain Poppy.Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Let Puerto Rico GO.
The U.S. just let it be a U.S. territory out of 'cold war' fear,
They get waay more Federally than they give.
Their level of ethics is not up to speed, eff that, that is ESSENTIAL.
Their gdp per capita is less than mississippi and NOONE needs another Mississippi.
Consider what Hawaii GAVE when they joined:
• the wealthiest state per capita.
•At the TOP in income equality per GINI index.
•Voted most happiest. Also has Gallup's most happiest person.
•Best health in the U.S. (less health care drain which is #2 priority after military)
•People actually CARE FOR the environment.
BKNov 09th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Read they have no oil...
Hawaii has no oil exploration, dum du du dumNov 09th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Puerto Rico became a possession of the USA from the Spanish American war with Spain. After we kicked there asses out of North American, we paid them for PR, Cuba, Guam the Phillipines and a few other possessions. ( did argentina pay Spain for the Falklands?). We owed Cuba until we give them there independence, which was the cause of the war, supporting Cuba's independence. Puerto Rican's have been US citizens since, just as Guam and the other, except the Phillipines who wanted their independence as well and got it.Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Go Cap'n Poppy, Go Cap'n Poppy!! *does dance*Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Ayayay, what's your thought on PR being a state, you're a n American. Chances are now in the next 10 years they will probably be the 51st. 4% want to be independent, 54% do not want the status quo and 63% want statehood. Maybe we owe it to them.Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
So, to sum it up.Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
If you want somebody elses land, you always have a legal excuse to get it, calling it self-determination, and if you want to rid yourself of land you don't want anymore, you dump it, calling it self-determination.
I get it now, self-determination is for yourselves only... and law will make sure it happens. Your very own law...
based on your logic...math is 1+4 =2. It is spelled out in our Constitution that it takes a congressional vote to become a state. There are 438 Representatives and 100 Senators representing 50 states. A simple majority is all that is needed.....period. There to not work like argentina's congress, they do what is in the best interest for their state. You don't seem to understand that as in argentina they vote for what asslips tell them to and what's in the best interest for cuntina kirchner. I have a very difficult time comprehending the flow of your logic, please explain how you first sentence is applicable to anything that I stated?....if you can? What land is the USA taking and what land is the USA getting rid of?Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
*tips hat to Cap'n Poppy*Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Ayayay.....a cerveza for you.Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
PoppyNov 10th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Self-determination does not mean the decision made by someone elses congress, no matter what you say...
So the USA must allow them to become a state, you are saying? You do realize that you are showing you are an idiot on a international platform. Self determination is no guarantee that will will achieve what they aim for, it merely means they decide for themselves, someone else does not choice their path. You are either playing dumb, quite well I might add, or you are really dumb. No group of people can just choice a country and claim they want to be a part of it unilaterally.Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
PR made their decision of statehood, but there is no guarantee. Self Determination does not ONLY refer to alliances, it is a broad concept that goes well beyond that one little concept you keep eluding to like a broken record. They determine their own taxes, governmental structure, mission statement, constitution, energy choices and so on.
Like I said, you've shown on an international platform just how narrow your thought process is to assume that it only relates to who they are. No country will ever become a part of Chile, Argentina, Englan, France, Russia,etc....unilaterally and the same applies to the USA. If you would like a good book on world politics, give me your address, I will even get it in spanish.
No, that's what YOU are saying, claiming they have the right of self-determination when it comes to becoming a state...Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
you are driftwoodNov 10th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And you are confused...Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I really hope you are sterile, because the thought of breeding is a nightmare, stupid kids from you is frightening.Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Too late for that, matter of fact, my youngest could outwit you any day of the week.Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
He has some troubles with his pronounciation, but in logic, he would toss around with you...
poor things, at least out of south america, they have a chance. Perhaps when they realize their lineage, the will get a blood transfusionNov 11th, 2012 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Keep on typing Poppy, I'm using your idiocy to show them how not to behave as human beings. You are the perfect idiot for the cause :)Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Looks like you will let the nits grow into lice like dad. Fruit never falls far from the trees.Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Indeed, and the fact that we fook like rabbits doesn't help your cause a bit...Nov 12th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Whatever, but your smartest move was getting them out of your countryNov 12th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0