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Majority of Puerto Rico voters, 54%, favour becoming a full US state

Thursday, November 8th 2012 - 01:45 UTC
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Voters in Puerto Rico have supported a non-binding referendum to become a full US state. The measure will require approval from the US Congress, but President Barack Obama has said he will respect the vote. Read full article

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  • MichaelLocke

    Self-determination at work, Argies.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    If it happens, the UN C24 decolonisation committee will immediately file a case that Puerto Rico has been colonised by 'Americans'.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    ha, yes indeed,.. cant wait to see the “all-powerful” c24 complaining that this is “usurption” and “colonialism” or that the people do not deserve the right of self-determination.

    Could be a nice precedent for the FI though... it would be VERY hard for the US NOT to support the FI if they go ahead with this integration.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    We have been waiting for this..........facinating stuff, self determination at work in a country that is made up of immigrants, is about 600 miles from the USA and is culturally, historically and linguistically separate from the USA......but is free to choose. Actually I think the slaves were implanted, but we won't go there. And it probably belongs to the Dominican Republic which is only 200 miles away..............

    Chew on that Malvinistas.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Oh joy.....just what we want, another state. PR is better off as their own country

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Lol Poppy
    Your dream came true :)

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Tell your sweetheart we have an island for sale....reall cheap and I hear she wants one bad enough to lie. She can have our PR.
    Realistically there are prerequisites the PR must fulfill even before Congress can bring a vote to admo=it, they first need to vote to enact....telling PR what they must do first.
    Greenland has a better chance as the 51st state before PR id they sucessfully succeed from Denmark......BTW, is Greenland in the UN's decolonization sub comittee?

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    No Way! This will become our version of Northern Ireland.

    1 MichaelLocke (#) Self determination does not apply to Malvinas.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The United States will not vote for staehood for PR......they are better off an independent nation island....without being a territory

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LightThink

    Puerto Rico only can be part of Florida,can not a full state of US.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    On June 15, 2009, the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization approved a draft resolution calling on the Government of the United States to expedite a process that would allow the Puerto Rican people to exercise fully their inalienable right to self-determination and independence.

    President Barack Obama has promised to support Puerto Rican statehood if that option is chosen by the voters in Puerto Rico.

    54% of Puerto Rico voters favour becoming a full US state.

    I wonder if Obama's willingness to see that PR gets 'full statehood' encompasses 'full statehood within the USA'?

    50 ... 51 ... 52 ... It seems that minnows want to be a full member of the club rather than minnows in a big boy's fish pond.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Thanks but no thanks, Puersto Rico. Mississippi has better ethics & a higher gdp.
    .Gracias pero es mejor q eres libre

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Argies getting jealous again,
    The envy of losers is astounding,

    Perhaps argentina would like to become part of the US .

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    This will disappoint the current Comedy Club in charge of Argieland which supports the Puerto Rico Independence Party and is also working with other pillars of democracy like China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria and Iran in the UN C24 group for an independent American Samoa, Guam and US Virgin Islands.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #11 who and where is 50, 51 and 52? Obama may speak of his willingness for PR tp become a state, HR needs to create a bill to send to the senate to approve for Obama to sign. Republicans will never adopt a bill for PR statehood.

    #13 Briton...geez...thanks....I wouldn't wish argentina on.....well...argentina!

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    But has anybody noticed that old reliable statistic 54%!

    So it must be right.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    15,
    it seems she is jealouse of others being part of a team,
    A team that she has no part.

    Nov 08th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Hey, I thought we were referred to as the 51st State here in the UK? Ruins the title to the film anyway.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    My view is that this is positive, if only because a status quo that should never even have been an option, ie non-citizenship of a non-country, the US equivalent of a BOT, has finally been rejected. Independence has its benefits, joining the US (and stregthening the demographic lockout of the vile Republican Party) has its benefits too...

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    This is great, more people to teach the yanks spanish. They do complain that the PR's don't speak english, win-win :)

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Btw J Lo looks nice in the picture, almost as good as some of the pictures of Cristina =)

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    YouB_K & Guzz on good form today.

    Chris knows the importance of 54% ..... a majority, without 51%'s element of doubt ... must be true!

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    PR will never become a state of the USA....period. They come and go without passports and visa already. NYC and Holyoke, Mass has more PRs than it can handle already.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    no self-determination then? or self-determination but only when it suits you lot?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #23 Then will you let them be independent? Surely you don't want a BOT that DOESN'T want to stay a BOT (or USOT in this case!)

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    How you idiot.....54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that. I can say I want to work at IBM....that doesn't mean IBM is going to hire me. The state of California can vote to have Ford motors build an assembly plant in their state, it does nt mean Ford will build an assembly plant in California.
    If Buenos Aires votes they want to be part of Chile, can they become a province of Chile?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    “54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that.”

    “PR will never become a state of the USA....period”

    You ok Poppy?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    of course why?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    if 54% of them wants to become a state, and they decide as you say, then how come

    “PR will never become a state of the USA....period”

    as you too say...?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #26 “If Buenos Aires votes they want to be part of Chile, can they become a province of Chile?”

    Yes, why not? Back in the real world some Chilean towns want to become Argie =)

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #29 Argentina can vote and say.....we want to become a state.......that does not mean that we can allow you in just because you can to me a member to the club. Do you really think that because someone votes themselves to be a stae they get carte blanc pass to statehood? Really now guzz...thnk for a moment.
    It takes a congressional process for acceptance into statehood.There are a lot in congress and the general public that do not want PR as a state or a territory. That is why we keep asking them to vote hoping they will become a nation. There are not enough votes to remove PR as a territory, nor enough votes to get statehood.
    #30 wake for you stupid siesta.....and I doubt those Chilean towns want to be RG again. My cousin spent 12 years in CHile and married a CHilean.......They have a lot more going for them that RG's will ever have under peronism.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    how do you explain

    “54% want to be a state. Like the Falklands it's not our call. It's the people of PR that decide that.”

    if it's the congress' decision, as you say now?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It's a two way street......like buying a house.....someone has to be selling it in order to buy is. As I said before we would prefer that PR becomes a independent nation than a state. Just becuase the President supports statehood doesn;t mean he can make them a state. Unlike argentina where congress is the presidents lap dog. All laws of this country come out of congress and the president is the administrator of the government. Becoming a state is a process......the group of people, whomnever they be has to want statehood and congress has to approve of them being a state. Now that PR voted for statehood, congress has to bring up the vote to act on, if it is important enough to make the agenda set by the speaker of the house. If it does, the first vote is to enact that sets the stage for what PR must do first.....requirements. If they do, the next is the actual vote, and if that vote passes, the bill is then sent to the senate for them to vote, if it passes there, it gets sent to the president to sign into law.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Simple question Poppy - why don't you want them?

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Their governor (equivalent to their president is REPUBLICAN, British Kirchnerist. You're reliably surfacey.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    It's a simple analysis of benefit/cost analysis, plus I don't think we are in the position to support a state where the vast economy is based on tourism. That would mean PR would have more federal dollars going into PR the going out....I prefer to cut the cord. PR is an extremely poor island and I personnally do not feel it's my responsiblilty to support them, or anyone for that matter. They would contribute just under 4 billion to the treasury and based on formulations, they would reseive about 20 billion from federal allocations. It wasn't me that annexed PR.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    U.S. here-and the OVERWHELMING number of Redditors with Captain Poppy.

    Let Puerto Rico GO.
    The U.S. just let it be a U.S. territory out of 'cold war' fear,
    not desire.

    They get waay more Federally than they give.

    Their level of ethics is not up to speed, eff that, that is ESSENTIAL.

    Their gdp per capita is less than mississippi and NOONE needs another Mississippi.

    Consider what Hawaii GAVE when they joined:

    Hawaii is:
    • the wealthiest state per capita.

    •At the TOP in income equality per GINI index.

    •Voted most happiest. Also has Gallup's most happiest person.

    •Best health in the U.S. (less health care drain which is #2 priority after military)

    •Pacific locale

    •People actually CARE FOR the environment.

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    BK
    Read “they have no oil”...

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Hawaii has no oil exploration, dum du du dum

    Nov 09th, 2012 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Puerto Rico became a possession of the USA from the Spanish American war with Spain. After we kicked there asses out of North American, we paid them for PR, Cuba, Guam the Phillipines and a few other possessions. ( did argentina pay Spain for the Falklands?). We owed Cuba until we give them there independence, which was the cause of the war, supporting Cuba's independence. Puerto Rican's have been US citizens since, just as Guam and the other, except the Phillipines who wanted their independence as well and got it.

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Go Cap'n Poppy, Go Cap'n Poppy!! *does dance*

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Ayayay, what's your thought on PR being a state, you're a n American. Chances are now in the next 10 years they will probably be the 51st. 4% want to be independent, 54% do not want the status quo and 63% want statehood. Maybe we owe it to them.

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    So, to sum it up.
    If you want somebody elses land, you always have a legal excuse to get it, calling it self-determination, and if you want to rid yourself of land you don't want anymore, you dump it, calling it self-determination.
    I get it now, self-determination is for yourselves only... and law will make sure it happens. Your very own law...

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    based on your logic...math is 1+4 =2. It is spelled out in our Constitution that it takes a congressional vote to become a state. There are 438 Representatives and 100 Senators representing 50 states. A simple majority is all that is needed.....period. There to not work like argentina's congress, they do what is in the best interest for their state. You don't seem to understand that as in argentina they vote for what asslips tell them to and what's in the best interest for cuntina kirchner. I have a very difficult time comprehending the flow of your logic, please explain how you first sentence is applicable to anything that I stated?....if you can? What land is the USA taking and what land is the USA getting rid of?

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    *tips hat to Cap'n Poppy*

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Ayayay.....a cerveza for you.

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Poppy
    Self-determination does not mean “the decision made by someone elses congress”, no matter what you say...

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    So the USA must allow them to become a state, you are saying? You do realize that you are showing you are an idiot on a international platform. Self determination is no guarantee that will will achieve what they aim for, it merely means they decide for themselves, someone else does not choice their path. You are either playing dumb, quite well I might add, or you are really dumb. No group of people can just choice a country and claim they want to be a part of it unilaterally.
    PR made their decision of statehood, but there is no guarantee. Self Determination does not ONLY refer to alliances, it is a broad concept that goes well beyond that one little concept you keep eluding to like a broken record. They determine their own taxes, governmental structure, mission statement, constitution, energy choices and so on.
    Like I said, you've shown on an international platform just how narrow your thought process is to assume that it only relates to who they are. No country will ever become a part of Chile, Argentina, Englan, France, Russia,etc....unilaterally and the same applies to the USA. If you would like a good book on world politics, give me your address, I will even get it in spanish.

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    No, that's what YOU are saying, claiming they have the right of self-determination when it comes to becoming a state...

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    you are driftwood

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    And you are confused...

    Nov 10th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I really hope you are sterile, because the thought of breeding is a nightmare, stupid kids from you is frightening.

    Nov 11th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Too late for that, matter of fact, my youngest could outwit you any day of the week.
    He has some troubles with his pronounciation, but in logic, he would toss around with you...

    Nov 11th, 2012 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    poor things, at least out of south america, they have a chance. Perhaps when they realize their lineage, the will get a blood transfusion

    Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Keep on typing Poppy, I'm using your idiocy to show them how not to behave as human beings. You are the perfect idiot for the cause :)

    Nov 11th, 2012 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Looks like you will let the nits grow into lice like dad. Fruit never falls far from the trees.

    Nov 11th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guzz

    Indeed, and the fact that we fook like rabbits doesn't help your cause a bit...

    Nov 12th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Whatever, but your smartest move was getting them out of your country

    Nov 12th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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