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UK summoned Spanish ambassador to complain about latest Gibraltar incursions
The Foreign Office summoned the Spanish ambassador in London and condemned Madrid’s ‘provocative incursions’ in Gibraltar waters saying that it “is in the interests of Spain, as well as Gibraltar and Britain, to avoid any incident that may damage the prospects of developing a harmonious and collaborative relationship between Gibraltar and Spain”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHas la Cretina been giving Rajoy lessons in provocation? Or has Rajoy decided that a Gibraltar incident will take preference over his internal problems?
Nov 15th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always complaining and crying. Keep off other peoples land and you won't have to worry about intrusions and having to bother with complaining.
Nov 15th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Explain...
Nov 15th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Please keep going. Want to see Spanish vessels sunk? Want to see Spanish pirates shot? Did Britain mind killing argie criminals? Won't mind killing Spanish criminals either. Stay OFF of Gibraltar. Stay OUT of British Gibraltar Territorial Waters. Treaties and international law is on the side of Gibraltar and Britain. Like cowardly argieland, cowardly Spain refuses to go to a competent international tribunal. Spain is just as criminal as argieland!
Nov 15th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As ever ProRG has zero facts and spits hate.
Nov 15th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer is for the British Navy to aggressively patrol Gib waters and any un-authorised warship or police boats are impounded by force if necessary.
That would end this overnight.
2 ProRG_American
Nov 15th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See? this is a lession of how people in the real world deal with issues on an international scale.
Not having a tantrum in the UN, not having a paddy and running to the nearest Court room.
KFC / TMBOA / Ol' Turkey Neck / The Harpy would do well to take notes...... Having said that...... Isn't it about time HMS Diamond paid an extended courtesy call to Gibraltar?
I'm sure everyone on “The Rock” would like to see a T45 up close..........
Spain is very brave when dealing with 4 unarmed blokes in an unarmed boat but they are a lot less brave with the Gib police. The police should video the incidents and raise European arrest warrants for the Spanish criminals.
Nov 15th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will now see if indeed Spain has any respect for the British or giblatarians,
Nov 15th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two things will now happen,
1, Spain will behave its self, and we can all be friends again,
2,
She will totally ignore the brits, stick their two fingers up to us brits, and show total shameful disrespect,
With the crawl ling foreign attitude today, that the British wont do anything, so fcuk the brits.
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I give it less that a week before she does it again,
Then two things will happen
1, Britain shuts of diplomatic relations, sending a type 45 to Gibraltar and telling Spain, [come back, and you will be sunk]
Or
2,
We will complain to Spain [again] and thus prove Spanish opinion was justified.
Just my humble opinion.
Sink em, and be done with all this pussying about....
@2 laughable, just as much as spains child like behaviour,
Nov 15th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0two spanish speaking countries,both in financial dire straits,both nations have civil unrest, both use lies and provocation in distraction tactics, both have expansionist ideals, both do not recognize the rights of the smaller nations they threaten, and both will LOSE!
one already has :)
S-E-L-F D-E-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N It works for me! and apparently Ban Ki Moon also :)
maybe the royal navy should send in their new 9 billion investment of new fleet.
Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0guardian.co.uk/2012/nov/15/hms-astute-submarine-slow-leaky-rusty.
@10 yep astutes an option, however a single typhoon would be more efficient option.
Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The MoD confirmed Astute had suffered some ”teething problems“ during sea trials. ”It is normal for first of class trials to identify areas where modifications are required and these are then incorporated into later vessels of the class,“
and thats why they call them ”Sea Trials” to look for problems,pretty standard practise,unless of course you pointed this out in some niave reflection that the UK as a whole is defenceless?
Let's sink one - just to make sure they really understand !
Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:15 am - Link - Report abuse 02 “Always complaining and crying. Keep off other peoples land and you won't have to worry about intrusions and having to bother with complaining”
Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amen.
Spain are only “showboating” for the latam countries in advance of Ibero-America summit in Cadiz this week.
Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 010 aussie sunshine Interesting article you posted!
Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Slow, leaky, rusty: Britain's £10bn submarine beset by design flawsExclusive: Royal Navy's HMS Astute 'has a V8 engine with a Morris Minor gearbox'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/15/hms-astute-submarine-slow-leaky-rusty
”Concern reported among some crew members about the Astute's pioneering periscope, that does not allow officers to look at the surface “live”.
So the scope view has a delay? LOL
British engineering at it's best lol.
15- teething problems that will be fixed the first boat of a new class of technologically world leading submarines. Apparently they passed the Argentine Navys test with flying colours (sit in port rusting with no power)
Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0how is the mighty Argentine Submarine force???? maybe we could do an exchange with our officers and cadets, snet your mighty sailing flagship over to the UK doh!!!!
@15 well done you can copy and paste, yet you missed out the part where the MOD states these issues were found during “Sea Trials” better to find these problems now than lets say in the future,
Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whats worse finding minor problems within RN Sea trials or.....
suffer major breakdowns in Argentines established p1ss ant navy vessels?? :)
however back to topic, Gibraltans have their own mind and their own destiny, expansionists will learn that the hard way.
you should have a book for complains complains complains
Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://nosint.blogspot.co.uk/2011/08/argentina-plans-for-nuclear-propulsion.html
Nov 16th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot your rusting aged hulls that the Rg's plan to go nuclear with teehee
Argentine Engineering at its best jajajajaa
@2 Gibraltar is BRITISH! It has been for over 300 years. The Gibraltarians like it that way. Nothing to do with any latinos!
Nov 16th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 I'm in favour of Apache gunships. Far cheaper to operate than Astute or any surface warship. MUCH quicker response time. Cruise speed 161 mph. Therefore, a couple of Apaches could reach any “incident” within 3-4 minutes. The Apache systems should permit any “incident” to be videoed. If the worst came to the worst, the Apache's armament should enable it to give a good account of itself, even against a warship. Consider what an Apache could do compared to any warship, surface or sub-surface. I suppose an Astute-class would have rifles and machine guns aboard, but it would take far longer to get anywhere. Similar considerations for a Typhoon. But the problem there would be that it is too fast!
@18 There is a complaints book. It has to be completed in English and is prominently marked “Not for use by uneducated latinos”.
British Engineering at it's best LOL!
Nov 16th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see how many nuclear powered hunter killer submarines has Argentinian Engineering produced?
Whoops, that's right! a big round figure of Zero, none, zilch, bugger all.
Okay, so how many conventional boats have Argentine Engineers built!
Whoops! same again!
Criticise other peoples engineering capability when you possess the same yourself, not only can you not build the technology, you can not ferkin buy it either!!!!
Not because of any moral reasons about selling you the technology but because no one trusts you to pay !!!!
Oh
21 RC
Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, why should we waste £10bn on(useless) submarines like Britain?
The Prophecy of the Fox
”Her army and her navy
England shall cast aside;
Soldiers and ships are costly things,
Defence an empty pride ...
@22 Screwed you though, didn't they?
Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British list, although this is only a small percentage of British Inventions;
Nov 16th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Micrometers , DC Motors , Internal Combustion Engines , External Combustion Engines , Computers , The Internet , The Lightbulb , Engineering , Pies , Pasties , Ale , Acurate Newpapers , Darius Turbines , The Jet Engine , The Radial Engine , Proplers (Air and Sea), War Ships , Rifles , Bombs , The Nuclear Reactor , Nuclear Power , The Police Force , The Air Force , Dog Fights , Cock Fighting , Football , Rugby , Hockey , Polo , Polo Mints , Heat Seeking Missiles , Radar , Sonar , Lasar , Lasar Gun Sights , Trains , Hovercraft , Pubs , Fish & Chips , Cotton Cloathing , Peace in Europe (TWICE) , Sterio , Radio , Printers , Typewriters , The Dictionary (admitedly not this one) , Phones , Mobile Phones , Standard Measurments , Barometers , VHS , DVDs , CDs , Cameras , Camera Flashes , Commandos , After Burners , Central Heating , Radiators , Deodorant , Chemical Warfare , Prison , The Aircraft-Carrier and everything to do with it , Torpedos , Submarines , Sea-Side Holidays , Pop-Music and THE Chart , Rock-Music , Motor Bikes , The Driving License , Double Glazing , Vacuum Cleaners , Lifts , Escalators , Machine Guns and The Tank.
British Engineering at its best.
It is beginning to look like “stronger action” is going to have to be taken against the Spanish.
Nov 16th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Punitive would be better, but is very unlikely at this stage, however watch this space.
One has to wonder the level of education these Argies have,
Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leaking subs, sinking,
[Example]
Sub is made, sub put in service , sub leaks , hits a wall and sinks ,
And the uneducated Argies would cry, how silly to send a sub to sea in service without testing it first.
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Point taken perhaps,
Its called sea trials for that very silly reason, so they can find any leaks or other problems before it goes into service,
Still,
When it does enter service, it may well be Argies that end up leaking,
And not from their arse.lol.
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#1 La Reina Cristinita is nothing like Rajoy the austerity disaster!
Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#20 But the Gibralterians ARE Latinos. British Latinos, at least for now. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, you bigot!
@27 “La Reina Cristinita”. So it's really a dressed-up faggot!
Nov 16th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Been to Gibraltar. More than once. Nice people. Unlike Latinos. Or Scots. Gibraltarians will be British for as long as they wish. They will move, when ready, from BOT to independence. No other option. They will NOT be given to Spain. Scots? Who cares? Must remember to drive up to the border occasionally and toss a few stale, mouldy crusts over. Really looking forward to watching them grovelling in the faeces-impregnated muck.
22 Marcos Alejandro
Nov 16th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, oh dear!!!
”You are right, why should we waste £10bn on(useless) submarines like Britain?”
Have you even got £10bn to spend???
The article fails to mention the critical fact that the UN continues to list Gibraltar as a territory that needs to be decolonised by the UK.
Nov 17th, 2012 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is pure obfuscation to insist, as the UK does, that the current inhabitants of Gibraltar have a right under the principle of self-determination to determine the nationality of the land they live in. Under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists. This is the case with Gibraltar.
A coloniser cannot legally disrupt the territorial integrity of another State by implanting its own population unto the territory it is colonising. In cases such as these, the inhabitants of the territory have a right to have their ‘interests’ considered but they have no right to unilaterally determine the nationality of the land they live in.
Both the UN and ICJ have confirmed that the principle of territorial integrity complements and constrains the right to self-determination in cases such as Gibraltar. This is the reason why the UN adopted Resolution 2353 (XXII), which observed that the referendum conducted by Gibraltar in 1967 was invalid.
The UN has repeatedly invited the UK to participate in discussions to achieve the de-colonisation of Gibraltar. The UK has also failed to honour its commitments under the Brussels Agreement in regard to Gibraltar.
Spain has never recognised British sovereignty over the Bay of Algeciras. Not surprisingly therefore, it will continue to ignore the protests of the colony of Gibraltar and its British Governor and continue to exert its sovereignty in any way it sees fit.
Which UN resolution constrains self-determination?
Nov 17th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Answer: None
Argentina and Spain did sponsor a GA assembly, trying to qualify and constrain self-determination where there is sovereignty dispute. It was rejected, overwhelmingly so.
Similarly, there is no ICJ resolution that constrains it either, point of fact recent developments such as the opinion on Kosovo support the opposite. Which explains why Spain and Argentina argued against it.
The facts are thtat the territorial integrity clause in UN 1514, were intended to ensure that acts of decolonisation occurred within the boundaries of dependent territories and prevent the administering power from breaking them up to keep choice pieces for themselves. It is there to protect the people of dependent territories, not to deny an external state a premise to deny basic human rights.
You can state a lie repeatedly, doesn't make it true.
UN Res 2353 (xx11)
Nov 17th, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 04. Declares: Invites the Governments of Spain and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume without delay the negotiations provided for in General Assembly Resolutions 2070 (XX) and 2231 (XXI), with a view to putting an end to the colonial situation in Gibraltar and to “safeguarding the interests of the population” upon termination of that situation;
SAFEGUARDING THE INTEREST OF THE POPULATION.
Sounds like that might be a reference to Self Determination to me!
@Betelgeuse
Nov 17th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN lists many territories as “needing decolonising”, which were in fact decolonised some time ago. This is why the C24 cannot survive much longer.
According to the UN all people have the right to self-determination, according to Ban-Ki Moon, all the non-self-governing territories have the right to self-determination, “be it independence or some kind of government in their territories”. He has repeated this many times now.
Gibraltar was ceded to the British by the Spanish in perpetuity, therefore does not disrupt the territorial integrity of Spain, as by agreement of the Spanish it was no longer a part of Spain.
As Gibraltarians are genetically mainly of Spanish origin, and Spanish speaking, I fail to see how you can call them “implanted”. Which incidentally coming from a Mapuche murdering Criollo Conquistador, S. American Planter, is hilariously funny to us.
Like “but they have no right to unilaterally determine the nationality of the land they live in”. So it’s not Argentina that you live in then.
The referenda in Gibraltar and in the Falklands are the basis on which the UN will eventually decide these territories are self-governing, whether you like it or not.
Whether the Spanish recognise BG territorial waters or not is largely irrelevant, as the British will, if necessary, enforce it as they see fit. F*ck all the Spanish can do about it.
Just as Argentina does not recognise the Falklands, but stays out of Falkland’s airspace and territorial waters, because the British enforce it.
Yep when it comes down to it like in the FI and with this case as well when the gloves are off and the bigger boys start fighting the Spanish and the Rgs will scuttle off again humiliated and set up home in looserville
Nov 17th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain, famous for surrendering to Al Qaeda, bunch of wimps, would not trust them to have my back in a pillow fight, nothing to worry about there!
Nov 17th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Conqueror Just wait until after 2014, when we watch England fuck up because of their inability to understand that voting Tory means that the poor get even poorer. Meanwhile, we'll be rebuilding or industries and continue as normal. Just remember who has the $1.5 trillion worth of oil and builds all of the ships for the Navy. Most undecided Scots will come to realise that being independent is actually a good thing. Current polls (not from the biased YouGov, or English papers) show that support for it is around 36% to 43 %, up from 30 at the start of 2012. ;)
Nov 17th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#35 So they should have just stayed in Iraq to prove a childish macho point, even though around 80% of the population were against the war even before it led to hundreds of dead on their own trains. And oh yes, I almost forgot the pro-war government (in which Rajoy was deputy PM at the time!) then lied and said it was ETA because that would be easier to spin in their own favour, a real indictment of the Spanish people they didn't re-elect that crowd!
Nov 17th, 2012 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 036.... Very odd all the recent articles and polls suggest a fall in support!!!
Nov 18th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And PS scotland doesn't build all the navy's ships , an the 1.5 trillion pound oil reserves is utter rubbish.
if you understood the issue, like many SA troll poster fail to you would realise a majority of English, welsh and NI would rather Scotland leave the union, the UK pays, put in more money to Scotland for health benefits, free tuition, free prescriptions etc etc than Scotland makes in GDP.
no story here, most English would rather they leave, North Sea oil is not what is was in regards to a bonanza and hasn't been for years, ship building is alive in England.
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