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Panama files dispute before WTO against Argentina’s trade restrictions
Panama filed a dispute against Argentina at the World Trade Organization on Wednesday alleging the government of President Cristina Fernandez had broken WTO rules by discriminating against imports of goods and services. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSimple response - close the canal to any Argentine flagged vessel.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This cannot be so......the whole of Latin America and the world agree with Argentina on EVERYTHING.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think argentina has any blue water merchant vessels.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More enemies? Bring them on.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Look at that. 40 countries AGAINST you. Who'll be next? Is there any “country” that isn't against you. Oh, sorry, I forgot. You have a little organisation of your own. “Pariahs of the World”!
Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is find mind you. Argentines love being hated. It is not us who will pay for trying to destroy our country and way of life.
“It is find mind you”. Is this Olde English then Tobias. You certainly keep the profits up for Collins.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is fine”.... happy.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like “by virtue” ... happy Monty?
I have such an expansive IQ I can remember the most picayune of details effortlessly.
@8 Tobias
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your IQ is average at best.
The only people intent on destroying Argentina are your government and YOU.
Eventually one of three things will happen:
1. Argentina gets a decent government, one who honours the treaties it signs.
2. Argentina will be cut off from the rest of the world and become like North Korea.
3. Argentina will p!ss off the wrong country who will give you a good shoeing. My bet it'll be China.
Good luck in your poverty Tobias.
Panama lol isn't that a US province. I don't think a trive run by an alien state count but let them complain we have never nor will ever trade with panama, we don't offer them anything and we don't want anything from Panama. Good Parana.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 08
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You shouldn’t celebrate your country’s actions and I doubt that you really approve them. Argentina is behaving like those people who use the bus or metro, but don’t pay. They get away with it due to a mixture of public apathy, reluctance of most citizens to pick a fight and even a little sympathy from some. The problem is that at some point the good people decide they have had enough and throw you off the bus.
Yeh, yeh, I know the bus is foreign built, uses leaded petrol, the driver hates you, you don’t want anything to do with the other passengers, the bus will probably crash and it is good exercise walking anyway.
“Yeh, yeh, I know the bus is foreign built, uses leaded petrol, the driver hates you, you don’t want anything to do with the other passengers, the bus will probably crash and it is good exercise walking anyway.”
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the wittiest, sangfroid contributor here, with an admirable equanimity in conduct. And to top it off, you can redact cogent analysis/opinion.
If all antis were as yourself, this website would be an outpost of elevated colloquy instead of a mudpit of porcine wallow.
6 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:51 pm
Tobias, you just keep on doing it, you DO NOT speak for us all, and in no way do I like being hated, quite the reverse. I personally am happy to like everybody and hope that most people like me, that way there are fewer conflicts!!!!!
@13
Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU ARE NOT ARGENTINE!!! You are an expat of some sort! Like the many one meets in Mendoza all the time, talking about how glad they are to have left the north with its eternal stream of bad news and depressing developments.
There are more Agentine's like Simon then teenage la campora's like you tobi
Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6
And it's the UPE.....United Pariahs of Earth. lol All 3 or 4 of them.....
Toby, How was the riot at Obelisco last night?
Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was it filled with nice peaceful happy people?
You know the Expats will leave if the economy gets much worse and riots start breaking out don't you?
They're the lucky ones, like me, that can go back to civilization any time they want. They'll leave for the same reasons I did.
Oh well, 8 countries with WTO claims against Argentina... Plus all the other conflicts regarding seized assets, and generally upsetting most civilized nations, does have some positive aspects:
Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. It keeps a lot of Argentinian goverment workers activity employed.
2. The “mad empress without clothes” has more excuses of why she is being unfairly persecuted.
3. It's a great example for other countries not to consider the Argentine model for economics.
4. A gentile reminder for a probable socialist president in Chile to continue maintaining a strong defense budget.
Hahaha, a NorthAmerican talking about civilization. If it wasn't tragic it would be abderian.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:53 pm
Yes I am, and 5th generation. My maternal ancestors are Mapuche, and my paternal ones were Vasco/French.
What I don't like is the arrogant way you try to speak for all of us on this web page. All you can do is speak for yourself!!!!!
Well just one little example, I can walk up and knock on the front door of a U$35MM house down the street from me.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No guards, no walls, no commando assaults or kidnappings to worry about.
It is a security you will never know.
and the main reason I moved back TO CIVILIZATION
We had so many commando assaults and kidnappings in my neighborhood in BA is was terrifying!
and I noticed it is getting much worse there day by day
When hyperinflation hits people will probably kill you for a bag of sugar.
I hope you stocked up
Interestingly, the US and Argentina have approximately the same homicide rate.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I read somewhere that crime rates have not been reported since 2010.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is common knowledge that crime is escalating rapidly I wonder if they will ever release the current stats,
“Well just one little example, I can walk up and knock on the front door of a U$35MM house down the street from me.”
Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy, just because you live within the ranch of some oil baron sorrounded by 10 hectares of zealously patrolled farmland. So of course you can walk up to the 35 million dollar house... you sleep in the stables and report to work at the door by 6am!
No I live in a major city, one of the most beautiful cities in the world, safe, clean, quiet with polite happy people going to work and enjoying themselves everyday.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 I'm curious. What part of Argentina do you live? The only way that anyone wouldn't have a problem with the current state of affairs if they're a lazy dimwitted lowlife that collects government checks and whose family and friends are the ones causing the mayhem on the news everyday. The types of people that use their siblings to beg for coins a 5, drug mules at 9, and prostitutes at 13. The types of people that have their nephews/nieces when their still teens because their uncle forced themselves upon their sister, and worst of all they don't care.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you collect a government check or were you handed a government job?
You've posted a lot of anti-US/European drivel, but I want you to for once talk about the domestic situation and tell me if it bothers you.
@24
Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure you do... happy like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_2q_erTK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs_2q_erTK0
What a happy country, wanna move there right now.
Simon68
Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have said this before, do not take this forum as being representative of the public in the UK. The opinions expressed are purely the opinions of the contributors. Frankly, I am embarrassed by some of the vindictive and foul language used on this site - on both sides.
I do not hate ANY Argentinian. I assume that they are , in the main, just like anybody else - good and bad.
Like the people in the UK they just want to get on with their lives without any hassle.
Politicians are the same , some good and some bad.
When you vote, you hope they will improve things for all but power also goes to their heads and they gradually turn into dictators if left in long enough.
After this preamble, what I mean to say is, if I post anything derogatory against the Argentine, I mean the government and not people such as you.
As for Nos., my perception is that he is a young academic who is a bit devolved from the real world and relishes the challenge of showing off his debating powers and his self-proclaimed knowledge in a style of English that would fail him from university entrance in the UK.
@25
Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever read “Martin Fierro”? Therein lies your answer.
Besides, don't you get enough debate about Argentina's domestic affairs from the Anti-northern-fiends?
I wanted to hear it from you in your own words. My neighborhood was a nice place to live up until 3 years ago. It's now covered in spray paint, and it's no longer safe to go outside without an instrument of self defense. These are things that have an immediate effect on daily life that are effected by the ineffective police and massive government handouts.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are accounts of the servants of manor lords having wicked tendencies, largely due to having their life's expenses covered no matter what. Hard work develops character, and strengthens a society. Free money creates these kinds of problems. Are you in the least bit worried about your family's safety?
I don't discuss domestic affairs in a forum overrun by foreign entities who manifest clear antipathy and animus towards this country. I have no idea where you reside, nor does it matter honestly, but if your account is genuine... that's most unfortunate. However, things change. Some neighborhoods lose their formerly serene nature, new ones are built further out by those seeking to regain such tranquility. That is true in this nation and around this planet. There are even some neighborhoods that become “reglizted” arfter having decayed and remained forlorn for some time (San Telmo being an fitting example).
Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cities are living organisms, and do not remain exanimate.
To discourse on argentine politics here is a non-starter. Again, pore over Martin Fierro.
The “outsiders” are at the gates with their flails and flares, ready to burn us all downin a pyre of revanche or tear us asunder as a rag, at the first sign of evinced internecine contetion.
29. The police in Argentina are worse than ineffective, most of them commit the crimes! When I moved to Argentina my friends told me to never call the Police and NEVER let them on your property.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another thing we don't worry about here in the USA
My friend's grandmother lives in San Isidro and is terrified to leave the house because all of her friends have been injured while being mugged. She has lived in the same house for over 50 yrs!
@1. And why would exactly Argentine flagged vessels have any interest in using the Panama canal? and you people are supposed to have common sense...
Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you see “Optimus Princeps”... Right on queue.
@27 Don't be ridiculous. Statistics indicate that 60% of argies are like Nosy. Pick a negative word and it will doubtless apply. Hopefully, 40% of Argentines are like Simon. Educated, intelligent, sensible. That is why one must differentiate between argies and Argentines. In case you don't get, CFK is an argie. But it's not enough. The backward, ignorant, neanderthal, uneducated argies are violent. They need to be reduced, by whatever means are necessary, to no more than 5% of the population. To give Argentines like Simon a fighting chance. But fighting WILL be necessary. The mindless mob characterised by Nosy will have to be defeated. Possibly destroyed. Without a second thought. Regrettably, every society has such mindless louts. A society's success can be measured by the degree to which it has destroyed the neanderthals.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 You don't “discuss” anything with anyone of significance. You don't have sufficient education, intelligence or maturity. I appreciate that you may have made as much progress as that of which you are currently capable. However, it would probably be best if you stayed away until you have finished kindergarten. We are aware that parrots can “speak” advanced words. But parrots are neither educated nor intelligent. Can you laugh? So can hyenas. And that is what you remind me of. An uneducated, unintelligent, scavenging, carrion-eater. A bottom feeder. Whose ass are you eating from?
@32 It's somewhere where the “crew” can stick their feet down and feel the bottom. Otherwise, they have a “Belgrano” moment. “Target. Mark. Shoot!” Glug, glug, glug!
@31 There was a shoot-out in downtown Buenos Aires today.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 He does discuss his domestic situation on this forum a lot. He tells us often that he lives in Mendoza, that all is well there with little crime and a booming economy. He left education early through circumstances beyond his control but he continues to educate himself, presumably online. He is young and poor which he is very proud of because he believes poverty equals freedom.
Other than that he tells us he doesn't date girls or boys, appears to live on the edge of society, has NPD and wants the Argentina to be as isolated from the world as he is from society.
I have pulled him up for speaking for an entire nation - he sometimes tries to speak for the whole world - because it undermines his assertions. He is perfectly entitled to make his opinions known but his constant need to claim he speaks for a whole country is a classic NPD symptom. I have met and am friends with many Argentines but have never met any like TTT.
He is idealist (not a bad thing to be) but with no life experience to set it against. The arrogance of youth, I guess.
@35
Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clap, clap, clap.
Kudos, to this piece I must accord, with reluctance of pride given the source conflicting with a duty to confer what is merited. Wry humor, but more touching of all was the near punctilious concern for biographical detail. And I appreciate any patent attempt at being compendious and succint yet exact.
Good post Elaine, were it not you who redacted it I would catalogue it as a demure hagiography. My accolades.
Right on queue
Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0on 'cue' not 'queue'
Thank you. Pedantry is a most underappreciated form of admonishment but essential in vocabulary and math.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 He doesn't live in Argentina Sweden isn't it GUZZ
Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine I married an Arentine and nerver,ever met any like him or any that claim to be argentine on this site. Then again I never met any that like cfk either.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#30
Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the trouble, you don't discuss.
You pontificate,preach and harangue to satisfy your ego, believing that using arcane and verbose language, this will convince people that your thoughts have gravitas and must merit deep respect.
Wrong !
What is it with the commoner's logophobia?
Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I don't discuss, with you. Do you discuss with me British “politics”?
#31 USA armed created and organized bin laden and the Al-CIA, giving terrorists refuge in Pakistan the US secret allay, I don't think neither Brits nor north Americans have the moral grounds to even talk about right and wrongs to Argentines, so do us all a favor and keep your views to your own nation, and if you are all going to trash Argentina please don't come cry wolf later blaming us for being protectionist, when in reality we defend our country. If you don't like Argentina go back to your country, Simple no one in Argentina wants none of you here.
Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#43 piss holer.........you are correct, you don't think. If you do not like the posts here, do not turn on your Canadian internet.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 27 Clyde15
Dec 15th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I do not hate ANY Argentinian. I assume that they are , in the main, just like anybody else - good and bad.”
I have lived more than three years in Argentina and can confirm that you are absolutely right.
Most Argentinos in the provinces are very good and friendly people. Buenos Aires OTOH suffers from being too populous, lots of nice people, but even a small percentage of them can give it a bad name.
Is Panama stillone of those US puppets in Central America then?
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