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Cannibalized Falklands’ war Argentine destroyer sinking in Puerto Belgrano
The British designed Argentine missile destroyer ARA “Santísima Trinidad,” that participated in the Falklands conflict in 1982 and has been out of service since 2004 moored at the Puerto Belgrano Navy base, is currently leaning to port and under the risk of sinking. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWrong pic chaps, thats 'Hercules'... the British built one that is still functioning ..after a fashion...
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Frank
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, they've cut holes in the sides so that gangs of slaves can row her into battle......
Sunk....just like Argentina's ambitions for taking over the Falklands.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, How many ships does the Argentine navy have that can put to sea?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet it's less than you think....... I bet it's less than I think.
'The Falklands Referendum: A Hemispheric Balancing Act'
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/opinion/the-falklands-referendum-a-hemispheric-balancing-act-338559.html
Deary, deary, me, - I don't think that lady has very long left afloat.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 FYI. The epochtimes is the propaganda arm of a 'cult' called 'falun gong', which basically consists of a rich racist chinese man in the USA (he claims heaven is split along racial lines) and lots of his followers in China. After life as a communist government employee, he basically now tells everyone that he's the buddha and gets everyone to buy his book for £20.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't trust their media outlet to say anything sensible.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/22/cannibalized-falklands-war-argentine-destroyer-sinking-in-puerto-belgrano
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't even scrap ships properly 0h dear :)
I wonder if CFK will bus her supporters in, organise a flyover and invoke the motherland over this naval ship?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Shed-time. Actually it's a good article. It might be on Epoch Times but was written by someone from the Institute for Policy Studies.
A terrorist mines one of their ships and they recruit him!s. Lucky fella, he should remember what happened to the last lot of terrorist that had an attack planned on the rock. As for Spain, if they had Intelligence of an attack on a fellow member of NATO and failed to disclose it, the UK would have asked for them to be expelled from the organisation.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Wait for it to sttle on the bottom and low tide'
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet most of their fleet is in this condition. I wonder if they are rated semi-submersible!
But they could call it a 'tribute to the Belgrano' and open it as a museum anyway.
LOLs, what a bunch of clowns.
9;Anglotino...Good point: could be that CFK is seeking to sticking-plaster the woeful budget for starting up a defence (Navy) programme; or, at least, invoking public sentiment in that direction. Mind you, all countries have the right to have a viable defence programme; it's just more difficult tot begin from a scrapmetal dealers yard.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Spain weren't officially members of NATO at the time of the organisation and wouldn't be for a few weeks, it would have put a little bit of a black mark on their starting record though...
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like a lot of speculation this is no accident. Possibility people were either sneaking on board to steal equipment from the ship or the guards were colluding with them
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Constantino Davidoff still around? he could make them a good offer on this.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was the infamous Captain Francesco Schettino seen fleeing the scene?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm surprised they have held on for so long to the ship. Why it wasn't stripped of essential parts for Hercules, then scrapped is a mystery.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Argentine Navy were needing spares, they could have bought one of the UK's decommissioned ships which would have had newer parts. Still, thats bureaucracy for you.
I also find it ironic that the Argentine built ship is the one decommissioned and the British built ship is still in service. Poor build quality from the Argentine shipyard? Even Hercules' refit was done in Chile.
I think they would have been refused an export licence for the ships, licences are limited to defence equipment, not only that, I believe they still have not paid for last lot they got from the UK.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 018. It is the same for their air force The USA stopped selling them replacement parts 25yrs ago over an unpaid bill.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus they can barely and I mean barely afford to buy enough LNG to keep the lights on so replacement parts for a Military CFK hates are way way down on the list.
She naively thinks that countries like Brazil and Venezuela will fight their wars for them under the guise of a 'regional cause' if it came down to it. That's what she keeps angling at. In years to come, if they get their own despotic version of NATO down there, then maybe the Falklands would have a problem, but for now I don't think there is much chance of an Argentine armada.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just watched a news program about Rgs protesting our base in Paraguay and the drones we're sending into Argentina.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the USAF is bulking up the base there. Rumors are that we are basing 16000 Marines and lots of equipment.
Silly sods, everyone knows they are RAF drones, launched from our secret base in Queen Elizabeth Land.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't say things like that about CFK and her military views, how else is Pirat-Hunter going to see he dream realised about ''Nuclear Defence program built 100% Argentina'' :D
I suppose it's as likely to happen as him leaving Canada and living in Argentina :D
@21 Do you know why they are sending drones into Argentina? Are they looking for CFK's marbles? :D
To the Brits blogers:you know that the Brits won the war by a hair?ok ,Know this!!Brits received much foreign aid,British officials recognize the value of the Argentine troops.!otherwise it would be another story!! greetings
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 you know that you lost?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By a hair? Could you expand on that theory?
Retaking with odds against at 3/1 in Argentinas favour, retaking the mountains outside Stanley against troops dug in after tabbing over 50 miles across the moors, a success rate of 23 for 0 for the Harriers, the Argentine navy which turned tail and ran for home after one loss.
I say again, by a hair?!
Oh yes, British officials did/do recognise the value of Argentine troops. However, the officers nor the leadership of Argentina did in 1982.
@24 - I wouldn't say we received much foreign aid. Even parts of the US administration were definitely sitting on the fence as they were trying to keep the Junta onside.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point is why we received *any* aid from our overseas friends - I would suggest that it was that they saw Argentina as an aggressor. If we had unilaterally decided to bomb Argentina (or any other country) without reason then I very much doubt that we would have received any support from anyone.
there will always be another chance!! :)
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Gustbury
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another chance of what?
@28 you know 'you lost twice now' and Einstein defines an imbecile as 'someone who repeats the same action expecting a different outcome'?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 Gustbury:
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Matters not how close a run thing it was, we all know how amazingly our British troops performed, covering that distance at short notice, then loosing all our helicopters on the atlantic conveyor which was sunk by a French Excocet, launched by argentine aircraft.
Then the British troops making do with out air transport, and tabbing/yomping the huge distances over the Islands to tackle well defended 'dug-in' argentine positions that had weeks upon weeks to prepare, - And on 14th June 1982 General menendez surrendered to Major General Jeremy Moore.
You lost.
What part of that can't you accept?
You. Lost.
26@with respect to our officers, you are right, it was painful!
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another chance to negociates or fight ,I dont know,who knows!???
Yeah, lost the war by a hair, yeah sure, if it makes you cope with the shame better, you believe that mate!
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much foreign aid, latest US side winders, which we would have had anyway and Intelligence, that's it. What did you have, Peruvian Mirages (replacing your losses) with an offer of pilots. French Exocets, Isreali weapons, Uruguayan, Brazilian and god knows who elses intelligence.
British forces engaged you in well defended positions with ample air cover and gave you a proper drubbing. Logistically it was close, our gear had to come 8000 miles, yours 300 miles. Tactically you had all the advantages and you still lost.
As for your troops, some! some of them were good, whereas all of ours outclassed them by miles.
You were not in our league and your still not.
Greetings.
@32 Negotiate what exactly?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 do you know that you lost and lost all of your rights to the islands in perpetuity?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I very much doubt that Argentina will get another chance to take the Falklands by military conquest. First of all, the United States would never condone naked aggression. Secondly, American firms have a great deal invested in Falklands oil. If the quantity of oil is as great as is suggested, then the United States will assist Britain to protect a free Falkland Islands.
Argentina is hoping that the other South American countries will come to their aid if they stir up trouble again by interfering with fishing or oil exploration, but the truth is that they won't. They have far more pressing matters of an internal nature to deal with. Even Chavez will be soon gone & his replacement is not guaranteed to be as friendly to Kretina.
The oil revenues will enable the Falkland Islands to purchase the most modern navy that money can buy. That navy will be operated by the Royal Navy, but focussed on protecting the Falkland Islands interests. Have you any idea how many Astute SSNs, or Type 26 or Type 45 ships they could buy with just a small proportion of their annual revenue? The Falkland Islands could restore the Royal Navy to the status she once held.
Any dreams that Argentina will once again conquer the Islands only enhances the Islander's resolve to protect their way of life. Argentina needs to grow up and realise that cannot build trust with someone who you continually threaten. The Islanders will never trust Argentina, because of 1982. The only way that Argentina can come to terms with her national aspirations, is to put them to one side and forget about them.
33. Their Navy has had one embarrassing event after another this year. I think it is all rotting away. The last time they got any $ was in the 90s!
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Air Force has no fuel, they can't train and their jets crash just about every time they take off.
So how in the world would they move troops? Ask Brazil? I think they'd hang up and not answer the phone for awhile.
I thought we all ready negotiated and accepted their surrender, it's in all the history books. Well, the real history books that is, those not written by Argentinians.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe our nuclear submarine in the south Atlantic can deliver the coup de grass via a tomahawk
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Slattzzz
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems a bit wasteful, what with the ship being on the bottom and all.
At least when the British ground their ships (which seems to be almost a standard part of sea trials) we recover them and they are usable...
Compare our relations with Japan and Germany in the 1970's to our realtions with this lot, after a similiar 30 year period.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They really need to get over it and move on.
marco- dear marcos - where are you - and your comments about rustbuckets going to Turkich Beaches!
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least the Uk recycles or uses its old ships as targets - they dont fill up their own harbours with sunkedn junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@36 I'd disagree. Obama is under a lot of pressure to develop a significant policy shift towards the states in South America, and letting the Falkland islanders go to the wolves if necessary. His actions show that he doesn't really care much for Europe, with the US's gaze firmly on Israel and China. It is highly unlikely that they would jump to anyone's aid, certainly not the Islanders.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once independent, it's better that the islanders just build up their own economic and defensive strength without relying on the USA. Remember that it was Canada and not the USA who dug their heels in about the Argentinian statement about the Falklands at the OAS.
Maybe canada and australia would come to help instead.
The South Korean Supergun might be of interest to FIG to supplement the existing garrisons and extend the time limit for emergency reinforcement from UK.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 It is likely to be targeting Venezuelan F16s, if we're all going to be quite honest.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 no better practice than a live firing
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not know about that, after this latest display of ARA naval prowess, I am suprised they are not asking for Wills and his yellow buggie, to be sent back to the Islands.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of our Argie trolls are saying she was already scrapped well I say why not get millions in scrap value instead of letting her sink and face the bill to clean up afterwards
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Floating spare parts, that's what she was. Still the more they cannabalise, the safer the Islanders will be.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 if it was scrapped, then it would be on some beach in india with a team of welding men hanging off ropes on either side.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is funny as fcuk
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With their subs and ships rusting and sinking at their moorings, it sounds like their naval base is going to become a huge artificial reef and fish habitat.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 052. It is not like they're going to clean up all the oil and toxins being released from these ship so there won't be a fish habitat for many many years.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Sounds a bit like Haliburton in East Timor.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lmao. Just, lmao.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worst navy in the entire world, Bar none.
@55 even better than the Bolivian Navy?
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alas, I agree with @43 to some extent.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While I don't buy into the Dinesh D'Sousa “0bama” (MP needs a font that includes a slash through the zero there!) narrative but as long as the current status quo remains with the Islands undoubtably and irrevocably in the hands of the inhabitants. the US will likewise support the current diplomatic ambiguity as they do with the ROC no matter how loudly AR spouts its lies about the FIs history, status, the right of self-determination by its people, and the illegality of AR's 82 invasion.
AR is banking that this ambiguity will continue through the referendum which I suspect it officially will unless AR tries a provocative stunt. In that case, they'll find out that the Americans don't like being hockeychecked into choosing between its friends/neighbors/allies. AR tried that in 82 and despite cold war realpolitik, Americans sympathized the Islanders (and the UK) over Argentine Fascism and expanding their Dirty War, regardless of American “quasi-neutrality.”
The realistic “worst-case” scenario (which I'd love to see, actually), would be for Obama puff himself up and try to broker talks (and ~that's~ unlikely). But at that hypothetical juncture, he would not be able to refuse the UK from sending the elected FIG and other FI delegates in its place to give direct and personal testimony against AR's violation of the Islanders human rights in '82 and continued negation of their rights through '13. AR would have to accept the right for them to self-represent or be rightly seen as acting in bad faith. And AR's hiding behind non-binding resolutions, which it refuses to honor by treating the Islanders a non-entity, will be there for the whole world to see (as if it hasn't already).
@57 The argentines simply want the UK to react in some kind of way so they look like the victim. Their society is sicker than this boat. They're basically going to keep baiting the UK hoping they'll get a response, then they'll add it to their long list of grievances about bias in the Security Council, and why they're not a permanent member.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best response is always no response.
I guess JoseMalvinero will have to take a paddle boat to fight against the “pirates”. Aw shucks. I hope he takes all the violent degenerates with him, and hopefully that boat won't be in a similar state of disrepair. Otherwise, they might sink before they get lost halfway.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just end all relations with other nations. Argentines have no interest to be friends with other countries, nor enemies. This whole “world community of nations” crap makes me sick. I want nothing to do with relations with other countries.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60 Dream on. Not your call, not possible. Overall, international trade is good, and so is having allies. Don't you like having light bulbs that don't explode and plugs that actually work? Unless you want to live in the medieval ages, be my guest. Your laptop is made of imported components, so I wouldn't be so quick to say something so ridiculous.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being an immature belligerent botox inflated retard isn't good for foreign relations in trade or diplomacy. Isolationism doesn't work unless you want to be like the happy people in North Korea. Cuba is slowly starting to communicate more with the outside world and participate in trade. At least Fidel creates doctors and not criminal garbage.
@61
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you leave the country?
There are no allies, they are all our enemies.
Toby, Argentina will never be self sufficient. Without the USA UK EU and to a lesser extent China you would not be able to find/extract o/g, mfg anything, have any technology, web, TV, Movies, Books, Agriculture (esp SOY, CORN) etc etc etc.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is not one thing Argentina makes that can't be found cheaper and of better quality somewhere else. All the rest of your Mfg is either owned by foreigners or supplied by them. You couldn't even grow SOY without seed from Monsanto for gosh sakes! That is your only real export!
here is the prove that Argentina lost the war for buying this worthless vritish ships and the french useless missiles, this is why I support a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
www.fihplc.com/index.php?section=0
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
Unless talking wins wars,
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you have no chance of getting nothing.
talk , talk, just like her indocrinated bloggers, mmm
@63
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We woudn't need anything if we kept the food to ourselves. Any “lab” crops are only used to increase yields for export. If we didn't export anything we would have enough for our internal needs totally naturally.
All the other stuff you don't need to “live”.
Sure no country can make everything, but unlike you at least we would not starve. The USA agriculture would be gone tomorrow if all subsidies were lifted. You would produce no food at all.
Watching CNN international right now. Again watching images of police officers running desperately around a school... and kids running scared shitless for their lives... how do you live in a place like that??
@64
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Pirat, my deluded friend. As I mentioned in #19, there is more chance of you leaving Canada and living in Argentina than the ''nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina'' ever becoming a reality.
By the way, you do understand is was bad planning, preparation and execution of the invasion of the Falklands that led to Argentina's defeat. Of course you don't. You would rather blame it on someone else. The ''useless french missile'' statement makes that perfectly clear.
I'm surprised you are not blaming the Italians as well for the Aermacchi MB-339 being part responsible! :D
@64 Prat Junta
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ship that sank in port was assembled by the AR shipyards.
It was also the target of mines by your own people in 1975, the guerrilla group Montoneros almost sunk the docked destroyer with underwater mines.
Don't you ever read the item before you make yourself look a complete dickhead?
BTW, do you even read your own links? I think not looking at this crap.
@61 I'm considering it. When Cristina gets removed from power, and replaced by someone that is a little more in touch with reality, that would be a good time to return. Maybe I should go to Canada and break one off if PH's unhygienic bum.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 A nuclear program requires Uranium which would be available if mining operations weren't hindered by Botox Face's own stupidity. You would need foreign help except most of the countries that have nukes don't like Crustina. The people here with the knowledge would rather ingest cyanide than help that cow. Also, I'm pretty sure with such a weak military, someone would intervene. You should read more, and spend less time wanking to pictures of a baboon faced harlot.
@69
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You woudn't need to return, you like everything that is foreign, and dispise everything from this country (I have NEVER seen you make one positive comment), so unless you are a masochist...
-Nostradalmus the 8th-
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should get off the computer and internet - because their existence like virtually all technology in the world has nothing to do with Argentina - and go live in a cave. Nothing wrong with living in a cave if isolation and prehistoric life pleases you ... but why are you here?
@71
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? You would be sadly mistaken there... but that's just your racist streak peaking out, assuming Argentine scientist or education have not made any contributions.
Very interesting, that Spain, despite its current bellicose & aggresive attitude towards Gibraltar, it has twice (as acknowleged in public) prevented terrorism towards British interests. Despite the history between the two countries, it still knows who its real friends and allies are.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Argentina does not have such hinderances do we. We know you are our enemy, want us destroyed, or at the very least work to subjugate us behind the scenes.
Tobers, the last widely used item invented by an Argentine in Argentina is the ball point pen.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since then they continually rank the lowest on won patents year in and year out.
They don't respect patents so if somebody is smart enough to invent something they move out of that horrible place.
@75
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really? Then eat lots of carrots and tofu... So you can keep your word and never ask for bioptic eye surgery or require open-heart coronary bypass.
And how would all other inventions be sketched, the contracts signed, or demonstrated without self-portable ink pens, or animation?
Get out of here. The fact that you from a country of 320 million needs to compare yourself with one of 38 million is in itself laughable.
'“That a moored vessel sink reveals the abandonment of our fleet” - Congressman Gustavo Ferrari said it is “contradictory” to “mount a party” to welcome the frigate Libertad while “is left to sink” the Holy Trinity. “ It's a tremendously sad fact ”, said Captain'
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.infobae.com/notas/692667-Que-un-buque-se-hunda-amarrado-revela-el-abandono-de-nuestra-flota.html
@75 yankeeboy
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bíró filed his first pen patent in Britain on 15 June 1938 three years before even moving to Argentina.
LMAO! Seems old Nostrolls has never heard of a quill. Supposedly so educated and yet STILL CAN'T ARGUE.
@74 bellend 8th:
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody wants argentina destroyed, we (as in humanity) no longer do that in todays world - You are simply an arsehole, and along with all the other arseholes, you will end your days knowing that the Falklands no sons argentinas.
Nobody takes you seriously enough to want to (as you put it) destroy you.
Don't flatter yourselves, by implying we see you as any kind of a 'threat'
78. Oops then they have never invented anything anyone uses on a daily basis. I stand corrected.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80 yankeeboy
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hehe sorry!!! LOL Always here to 'help'!
Can't wait for his usual inadequate comeback.
Its a shame that the Argies have let the old girl fall into such disrepair, the Type 42 Destroyers are very beautiful vessels.
Jan 22nd, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Nostra...
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are still on the internet...
Actually I wasnt being rude about Argentina and surely some innovation has come from Argentina but in the greater scheme of things Argentina hasnt contributed alot - thanks in great part to Peronism - an ideology and system that fears the change and empowerment that innovation brings.
Im still waiting for someone to tell me why computers should cost twice as much in Argentina as they do in most parts of the developed world
@70 The things I like about Argentina aren't relevant to this thread. I've got a good set of friends, coworkers, and contacts. Basically, normal hardworking everyday people is what I like about Argentina. Also the food here is amazing.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we're talking ab0ut news, and politics; which most people don't discuss at the dinner table with friends because it's often a crap shoot. That's what these threads are for right? Discussing political issues. If something merit worthy occurs that is deserving of praise, I'll say so; but it hasn't, yet.
Ahh I was awaiting for this story. It's always funny to see how self-contradictory these war mongers are: we have no navy, no army, yet they threaten us with their first class killing machines, they call us “aggressive”, they say we “sabre-rattle”, yet 'Camoron' is the only leader who can threaten with war and violence and have its people excited.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they laugh at us.. HA!!! At least we're not a threat to mankind.
@85PGH
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0you threaten your own people - their freedom, their health and well-being, their intellectual freedom.
You threaten the 3,000 neighbours on the Falklands, by economic blockade, aggressive political rhetoric, intimidation and condemnation.
You may have no military to speak of, but your SA neighbours do, and you are using every other means you have, to dispossess the Islanders of their homes and their culture, if not their lives.
The Falklanders have the right to DEFEND themselves, whether you like it or not.
@84 well said
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that the ship sank because the nasty 'english' wouldn't sell them stuff after they had used it to invade sovereign british territory
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17434:the-captain-of-the-ara-santisima-trinidad-said-that-after-the-war-england-qrefused-to-sell-spare-partsq-&catid=42:politics
bad english.......!
Tooo funny
Now they are saying it could of sank because of foul play as the ship was not that old and in good nick!! Deluded Idiots.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9820163/Falklands-warship-sinks-in-Argentina.html
Putridjelli is a fool.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0However that is a remarkably illwritten and illustrated article in the Telegraph.
Most navies worry about their ships sinking in the open sea during open warfare.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine having to worry about them tied up in port during peacetime.
http://noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/para-el-gobierno-el-episodio-del-buque-pudo-ser-un-atentado,4d0ad3807546c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO
92 fill00000
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ooooooooops - that's the end of that then! No museum for them.
Would not sell them spares to maintain a warship they used in a military assault on British sovereign territory. Fuck me, they will be asking for us to replace the ammunition they used next.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puricelli says Santísima Trinidad sinking, 'possible sabotage'
Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli.
Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli said today that there was a possibility that the sinking of the ARA Santísima Trinidad would have been a planned sabotage attack.
The minister spoke about the ship, which sank in Puerto Belgrano in the southern part of Buenos Aires province yesterday, admitting that when Cristina Fernández de Kirchner asks him why the ship sank, he cannot help but drop his head with shame.
“When the president asks me, she will have to look at my embarrassed expression when I tell her that a ship that was anchored in a port, sank,” the Puricelli told radio reporters this morning
ha ha
I can't think what purpose would be served by sabotaging it. Who would that benefit? It's not like there are rabid anti-malvinistas in Argentina wanting to stop it becoming a museum.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe an Argentine sailor wanting rid of Puricelli - or more likely a drunk sailor with the “I wonder what this does” idea in his head!?
Were there any flat bed trannies seen in the area? No, then it wasn't DIDS wot did it!
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is odd that wiki has the ship classified as “reserve” not as decommissioned. Doesn't look like they have many ships functioning at the moment. Although how would you know since they can't afford the fuel and that is going to get even more difficult once Chavez is in the ground.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I actually felt a pang of sadness when I saw her all the way over.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/para-el-gobierno-el-episodio-del-buque-pudo-ser-un-atentado,4d0ad3807546c310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
@97 reality
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Were there any flat bed trannies seen in the area?”
Flat bed “trannies”??
LOL, only Sussie, and he's not much of a threat.
Is this vessel the flagship of the Argentine Navy?
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Transit Vans mate, the prefered method of transport for our scrap collecting community of Didicoits or Dids, (Romany for non Romany travellers.)
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in next weeks' instalment , the roof of the Casa Rosada caves in due to lack of maintenance..........
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wake up Argentina , this government has robbed the country blind .
20% devaluation next week .
@102 She probably sank because the sailors were nicking all the non-ferous in an attempt to augment their pitiful wages.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The ship from sinking tied up in port for lack of maintenance reveals the deterioration and abandonment of our fleet, vital to the defense of a sovereignty that our President loses no opportunity to claim before the world but would be very far from being able to defend”, Ferrari complained in a statement.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103 ..The national legislator ironically: “the country advanced that tells the story, the only thing that really seems to be advanced is the deterioration and not only of our armed forces, but also to the road, railway and energy infrastructure”. SORRY FOR POOR TRANSLATION
@104 Did someone steal the brass plug at the bottom?
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone else see the irony that it's called 'Port Belgrano' and she sank in it?
“Holy Trinity” what a very appropriate name.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Father, Son and Holy!!!!!! shit!!!!!! there she goes.
Defence Minister says it may be sabotage!?!?!?!?
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/122436/puricelli-says-sant%C3%ADsima-trinidad-sinking-possible-sabotage
108 Gordo1
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of Course it's sabotage!! and if you are looking for the culprit (s), look no further than KFC et al......
They are guilty of bleeding their armed forces dry through underfunding.
Perhaps this is a prototype for one of the nuclear submarines Pirat-huner is always banging on about. LOL
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 - Shed-time
“Does anyone else see the irony that it's called 'Port Belgrano' and she sank in it?”
Oooh you are awful, but I do like you....LOL
Its one thing after the other. Argentina has so much potential and look what these parasites do to it. Argentina is a failed state.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lep
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a damn good name for KFC.
“The Irony lady.”
Why is it never their fault, and always someone else’s .
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The One Thing Holding Argentina Together Seems To Be Falling Apart
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now it looks that Argentina could lose even that. Weather conditions are working against the country's cash crop. This summer it took a big hit due to a lack of rain, this fall it suffered from too much. This intense rain (and in some cases flooding) has lead to delays in planting.
Here's what Morgan Stanley had to say about it:
The highest Oct-Nov rainfall totals in over 30 years across Argentina’s corn and soybean regions have led to widespread flooding, preventing farmers from planting their crops in a timely fashion. The Buenos Aires Grain Exchange reports that by the first week of Dec (comparable to early June in the US), only... 54% of the nation’s soy crop was planted, down from...65%... last year. Even today, farmers are scrambling to plant the last... 4% of the soybean crop — the equivalent of planting in mid-July in the US.
Adding insult to injury, January weather across much of western Argentina — which accounts for roughly 33% of the country’s corn and soybean production — has turned drier than normal, with soil moisture levels in the region now below 20% of capacity and little rain in the forecast through the next week... Our local contacts have also expressed concern that the wet start to the season discouraged adequate root depth, leaving crops more vulnerable than usual to dry weather today.
Morgan Stanley says that the soy crop could still be saved. Soy beans are planted later in the season, so if this dry weather ends the tide could turn. If it doesn't though, things will take a dramatic turn for the worse, hitting the soy crop at just the wrong time.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/argentina-soy-crop-suffers-from-flood-2013-1#ixzz2IprpQ66m
SAS at it again ... job well done
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone know? Has that old heap of crap sunk yet? Also, what about ARA Santisima Trinidad? Has that poor old girl been lost also?
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@114 So, let me get this straight... the Argentine economy is tanking, we know. However, history shows that whenever the Argentines get into hot water, they try to invade the Falklands.
Jan 23rd, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, yes your links to economic woes are nice. But are those things are really important, verus the USA's lack of support of self-determination, their use of the term 'Las Malvinas', their crawling up to the Argentines, their lack of support for democracy, lack of open support for self-determination and lack of taking any moral stance in the face of someone trying to steal someone's land.
From reading the works of your forefathers, I thought the USA was supposed to be all about freedom and promoting democracy, but let us face facts... when we're all suffering the outcomes of the cyclical demise of the Argentine state, the USA isn't going to be there to help... again.
Hooray!
117. If the Falklands wants action from the USA they should hire a lobbyist and get the word out and the politicians on your side. How many Senators or Congressman have you invited to the Islands? You gotta do the work if you want to be recognized. Set up your own office in DC, come on I really shouldn't have to tell you these things you can't outsource your diplomacy.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back on track.... if Putridjelli survives this fiasco one has to assume that he has photos of KFC with the donkey... and knows where the skeletons are buried.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame 'Santísima Trinidad' wasn't in Mar del Plata being used as a presidential viewing platform upon Liberturd's return when this happened... now that would have been worth buying tickets to watch.
I agree with Yankeeboy. When the Islanders get out there, as evidenced by their C24 delegation, they do a fantastic job of bringing the justice of their cause to the world stage. I don't know? do the Islands have an office in DC? perhaps one of the guys or gals on here could answer that.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was going to suggest, that once the oil revenue starts to come in, they would be able to finance such a thing. Then I remembered, after March, there will be no need for it!
I seem to recollect a US dignitary visited the Falkalnds early last year, and was most impressed. (a Senator?)
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even found out about the US's role in the history surrounding 1833 etc. (USS Lexington)
Puricelli has not ruled out sabotage. Here we go again......
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I admit it, it was me. I used a wok to deflect gamma rays onto the hull of the boat, thus causing a BURST PIPE to sink the ship.
@122 - ElaineB
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it's sabotage. It was sabotaged by the Argentine government. This report in the BA Herald is quite damning of the funding given to the Argentine Navy.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/flota-navega-faltan-repuestos-municiones_0_853114726.html
Their ice-breaker has been out of commision since 2007!!! And they have supposedly been given $100 million to fix it!!! I wonder where all that money went?
Added to that is the fact that the Argentine Navy has been reduced to 161 days at sea to be shared between their entire fleet (only 16 vessels actually sea-worthy)! That's 10 days at sea per ship!!! It really does beggar belief.
I do feel sorry for these young men and women who are being sent to sea in poorly maintained vessels, after being betrayed by their government like this. If any of them die due to this neglect, I hope that the government are held fully accountable.
@123 I wonder if they really did get $100m. Is it more a case of the Argentine government saying they will give them $100m but it never materialised? They do that a lot. Have grand ceremonies and announcements of investment in projects that never happen.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@124 - ElaineB
Jan 24th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are of course right. If there ever was a $100 million, it disappeared into someone's off-shore bank account years ago.
Argentina has found a new “Naval Architect”
Jan 24th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are now discussing the term of employment.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/man-lucky-to-be-alive-after-raft-odyssey/4483280
Putridjelly has said that the reason the ice breaker is stil unserviceable. is because it is costing more and the contractors have been renegotiating. Let me translate for you. The contractors have not been paid for work already done and will not carry out any more work, until they have been paid and paid in advance, for the rest of the work that needs to be done.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That icebreaker was supposed to be back in service many years ago. It is shocking that a country that has glaciers doesn't have an icebreaker!
Jan 24th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What in the world are they going to do rely on the good graces of other countries?
How embarrassing.
@128
Jan 24th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be a contract with the British to save their necks, just like the luxury jet for TMBOA.
That REALLY would be a laugh.
(@121 EDdie... that was Sensenbrenner [R-Wisc, House - our lower house, not the Senate]. He's not the best advocate for the FI in DC and he's something of a jerk and is hyperpartisan, though these days who isn't... But the clincher is that he doesn't serve on any foreign policy committee and his visit just doing a google and search had little impact outside of the FI. If the FIG were to invite a serious US congressional delegation it would serve them well to host at minimum a Democratic ~AND~ Republican from ~BOTH~ houses [4 tops, 2 minimum]. This really is where I have to fault the FIG. US State Dept has to be ambiguous due to realpolitik and even a UK-alicious US State Department is going to be hesitant to send a high profile visitor. The congressional delegations are much better at keeping the public pulse, even when they effectively become the umpteenth congressman/woman from inside the beltway.)
Jan 24th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0130. There are a lot of small (not quite countries) that have trade/tourism delegations in DC. It is not inexpensive but the Falklands wouldn't require much a 2-3 person office would probably suffice. They could also hire a law firm to represent them that may be more expensive but it is easy because they already have contacts. Maybe the UK would give you room to start at their Embassy it is HUGE!
Jan 24th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A US congressman visited the Falklands this time last year.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He got to learn about the USA's involvement with the Islands before, and up to 1833. (USS Lexington)
@131, yes, that actually would be a terrific idea. They certainly have been working a charm offensive south of the Rio Grande and it works well when AR representatives aren't in the room, which speaks volumes of AR statecraft on the matter. But they are not hitting the US with the same enthusiasm and I think that is a mistake.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132, You know ED, it's really great, he came, I truly think more people (bipartisan this time) from congress should see the place for themselves and bring that information and sentiment of the residents back to the House and Senate *FR* committees and intern make no bones about this to “State.” But to my frustration (and low-burn anger), his visit seems to have had little impact. Sensenbrenner's visit did not make The Hill or the congress's own pages. A quick search on the congressional pages shows one correlated page with him and the Falklands on it. It is dated 1997 and his attention is Antarctic efforts. Heck, the visit isn't even on his own website and more's the pity. (If you can find something in the US Gov area documenting his trip, please let me know because I would love to see it as a matter of record.) I think the FIG and the UK should make a very strong overture to the Foreign Relation committees in the house and senate to send delegates (likely they'll be able to afford just a couple aides, preferable from both party/house) to the referendum.
It should be remembered that this is not the first Argentine Navy ship to sink due to incompetence.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1989, the ARA Bahía Paraíso sank in Antarctic waters off the American base at Palmer Station. They took copious pictures of the grounding and eventual capsize.
http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/threads/gran-duda-ara-bah%C3%ADa-paraiso.5467/
Curiously, there is some question over whether the ship actually had 2 Sea King helicopters on board as the Argentine Navy claimed. There was no sight of them when the ship sank with the hangar doors open and empty. Maybe they were exaggerating their loss for the insurance?! Some suggested that when the hangar doors opened the Sea Kings broke their chains (really?! are helicopters capable of breaking their own chains at will when they want to?!) and rolled off the back of the ship into the water. More likely, they were flown ashore back in Argentina before the ship went south.
The Argentine Navy recently sent another vessel down there, ARA Bahía San Blas, which was a bit risky given their poor maintenance record! to dive on the wreck and recover small boats, fuel drums and fuel tanks.
http://www.zonamilitar.com.ar/foros/threads/gran-duda-ara-bah%C3%ADa-paraiso.5467/
Could it be that they were recovering more than just boats and fuel tanks? It is far more likely that they were recovering materials which proved that Argentina had yet again violated the treaties over bringing military hardware into the Antarctic area.
@134
Jan 25th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember Marcos howling about the brand new Astute, just out of the navy base, that had managed to get onto a sandbar?
I have saved the link, just in case!!
Helicopters, what helicopters? LOLs
@134 well now he'll have two to howl about Ambush was handed over to the RN this week. HOWWWWLLLLLL away Marcos you IDJEET
Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@136 - slattzzz
Jan 26th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0He'll definitely not like this...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2203110/Deadly-Hunter-Killer-submarine-capable-hearing-ship-leaving-port-New-York--sat-underwater-English-channel.html
It seems that the aptly named HMS Ambush could probably hear Argentine ships sinking in port all the way from the UK! ROFLMAO
@137 Only Artful, Audacious, Anson, Agememnon and Ajax to come, you can hear rgenweeners and Marcos's HOOOWWWLLLS from here. Looked at Queen Elizabeth yesterday fookin huge and well ahead of schedule and loads of Prince of Wales units sat on adjacent jetty waiting for dry dock
Jan 26th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the comparison for the Malvanistas of their 'navy' against the Brits.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link is here:
http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/databases/navy/navalforcesoftheworld.asp
Naval Forces of the World
This chart shows the world's 40 most powerful fleets, which represent 98 percent of the world's naval power. The fleets are ranked in order of combat value.
NATION COMBAT %of Total 1k tons SHIPS QUALITY
VALUE
Argentina 2 0.41% 39 17 60%
Australia 5 0.8% 57 16 80%
Belgium 1 0.09% 7 3 75%
Brazil 6 0.98% 86 24 65%
Britain 46 8.11% 510 102 90%
I thought the originators of the table were very generous to the argies in the 60% rating, encompassing as it does maintenance and training of service personnel. We all know they don't do any!
The UK of course is 23 times the combat value of the argies, 20 times bigger than them and 13 times the battleweight.
AND that is without comparing effective firepower. Ha, ha, ha.
Eat your heart out you useless gits!
@85 Who's a funny child? According to research, your “navy” has 42 vessels (41), your “air force” has 220 aircraft and your “army” has 44,233 personnel. The Royal Navy only has 96 vessels, the RAF only has 827 aircraft and the British Army only has 138,500 personnel. Not a lot of difference considering WE have to go all around the world and you only have to go a few hundred miles. You have to understand the concept of “threat to mankind”. You are a threat to the gene pool, you are a threat to sanity, you are a threat to peace, you are a threat to the world's economy. You're not a big threat. Last time around, you cost us 258 British people and 74 days. You've not paid for that yet. Give us an excuse!
Jan 26th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98 Yeah, but wiki says they have destroyers. Would anybody with a proper navy call those things “destroyers”? They are frigates at best. Calling a rowboat a “battleship” doesn't make it a battleship.
@114 ? Is it rust?
@118 How about when we drop one of those missiles you sold us on Buenos Aires? Will you notice? By the way, what's the effect if we fire it without a warhead and it hits the middle of a city?
@119 KFC with a donkey? Has she been going upmarket?
@131 Of course it's HUGE. That's because of all you OWE us. Your existence, your language, your ideas of democracy, justice, freedom. Although you weren't too quick on the last one. You haven't quite caught up yet on quality instead of quantity.
@139 So the UK has the second most powerful navy in the world! Wonder how it will rate when all the Astute class subs and the QE class carriers are in service. And if we save £53 million a day by ditching the EU? More carriers? More aircraft? More Type 45s? More Astutes? Successors? Type 26 frigates?
lol
Jan 28th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians were and are totally unable to do anything since Peron, why they want the Falklands anyway, they have a large territory that is empty , producing nothing , stuck in the 70's , they cannot keep one single little boat in good shape. (The truth was told by the discovery channel when war veterans of both sides were free to talk). UK could have destroyed Argentina some few times if it were necessary. If you still have a miserable poor country then thank the British for being so nice after all. Avoid electing nut people.
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