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Argentina will never accept the right to self determination for the people of Malvinas
Argentina without the Malvinas Islands is an “incomplete country”, and the right to self determination is a ‘flag’ Argentina “will never allow to be used by whom were the basis of the largest empire history has recorded”, said Minister Hector Timerman on his arrival on Monday to London. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPeddling the same old crap. He sounds desperate.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0appauling dictatorship at its most despicable.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good to see argentina rubbishing the human rights again set out in the UN charter, just as well argentina does not have a say in the Falklands future....
SELF DETERMINATION.....the cure for expansionism.
If this twat is not careful, sooner or later somebody is going to promote him to dead: probably TMBOA.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as I thought Timerman couldn't get any more nuts...
Really, the Argie government seems to require some form of medication.
Boy these guys are tone deaf. Perhaps Argentina would find itself to be complete if it just accepted that it lost its Dirty War in 1982, accept and appreciate the bounty of its resources and move on and stop dreaming about its Sudetenland and East Prussia.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No every argentine thinks like Timerman. Lot of us support Falkland's right to self determination. And the free world support Falkland too.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has supported “all the struggles for self determination and independence of the all the peoples of the world”.”
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't recall any support for the European countries when they were under the Nazi jackboot in the early 1940s.
Until a couple of years ago this had all gone quiet and the talk of oil and natural resources to which the RG's constantly refer is the key here. Can you imagine how wealthy the corrupt politicians of Rg land would be if they could get their hands on black gold.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eventually the RG's will have to reconcile themselves to the fact that they will need to sit down and talk to the Falklanders themselves and when they do they will be given the bums rush.
Their bluff, bluster, bad mouthing and threats may work in South America but not in the real world.
They have clearly set their stall out all wrong and their walk away from the table a year or two ago when they gave up their rights to a share of the oil wealth has now been shown top be pure stupidity - however you would expect nothing less of the RG fuckwits.
How exactly would the islands make Argentina complete?
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why won't you talk with us Timmerman. You have repeatedly said our lifestyles will be taken into account if you take control but yet you won't even have a meeting with us. You lying coward.
I don't recall any support for the European countries when they were under the Nazi jackboot in the early 1940s. AHAHHAAHAH they were supporting uk IGNORANT!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The largest empire... Argentina is so sizeist, spain's was huge too. So Argentina is incomplete, i can believe it, no brains. It was complete until 1941, then an idiot president stirred up trouble and they've been bad news ever since.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never heard so much rubbish in all my days !!!!!!!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the amount of crap Timerman generates every time he opens his mouth we should send him out to the fields to make speeches and save a fortune in fertilizers.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly rattled about the impending referendum.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ramblings of a mad man.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Accept it, don't accept it. It makes no difference.
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,down with the brits pirates!uk is FINISHED!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has supported “all the struggles for self determination and independence of the all the peoples of the world”.”
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chuckle...he seems thave forgotten “The genocidal conquest of the desert” played out by his fellow argentines against the indigenous where was their human rights, and more recent 1982 in The Falklands not much self-determination being shown there then.
on a more lighter note a priceless piece of public humilation for another top argentinas honchos.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123411/minister-kicillof-booed-at-ferry-liner.
:)
And this guy calls himself a diplomat!! Even Costa Mendez under the dictatorship was better than him with his bons mots “Britannia no longer rules the waves, but she certainly waives the rules”
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 The Cestrian
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ay yes, the referendum. I vote:
YES!
Minister Timmerman man. Why won't you talk? What are you afraid of? Too scared you'll fuck it up and get smacked around by your lady boss? I suppose it won't be the first time people on your side get abused by people on her side.
Interesting angle on diplomacy; insult a country and its government before you arrive, do the same once you are there and enjoying/abusing the hospitality they provide, then expect that country to be sympathetic to your case ? That will work. That would be exactly my strategy. Can't see any flaws in it at all. Nope. None.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the aim of all this is ”how re-launch dialogue with the United Kingdom on the Malvinas sovereignty”?
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is he working for MI6 or something? Can he really, really be this inept?
@20
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
RG Land clearly doesnt get it. Its like dealing with a child having a tantrum. However insulting people seems the way to go with the Argentines for some reason. Baffling but an interesting lesson in how to completely fuck up your position.
16 Malvi
Feb 04th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have that on auto-text or something?
Please talk Mr Timmerman. Give peace a chance instead of insisting on all this hostility. You're frightening us.
Argentina without the Malvinas Islands is an “incomplete country”, colonial ambitions right there!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wasnt that the drive in 1982 to invade both The Falklands and chile?
so whats next, chile? uruguay? paraguay? antartica? the whole of the south americas?
the truth is argentina is complete.....complete f*ckup of a country, stuck in its imperialistic expansionist aspirations spouting COMPLETE b*llox.
Argentina is rejecting the UN non binding resolutions. The UK offered talks, Argentina rejects them. Nowhere does the UN say they are to be bilateral, show us Mr Titman where they say this,
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Right to Self Determination, even if you and your government disrespect and ignore the opinin of the General Secretary of the Unied Nations on this matter, others do no. Keep up the good work, you are doing a far better
job than the Islanders ever could, showing the worls what a small minded, bully of a state you are.
Yes I would agree that Argentina is an incomplete country.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's government is incomplete in brains and manners.
I hope our government has the sense to ignore the bumptious, odious little twat and the harpy of an ambassador.
@25, the only people who reject it are people with sour grapes over loosing their colonies, are afraid of losing conquered territory, or are looking to conquer some themselves. In other words: the C24 membership.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@MALvineiro1 (is there a two?)
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to use correct English at least, when you type your vomit.
(merco press do ask you to)
What neo-reactionary BS is this????????
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets get this right, settlers on areas of land that were the Spanish Empire can use self determination to leave said empire, but settlers on areas of land that are parts of (what he considers) countries -even though seperated by 250 miles of water, and with a different culture - cannot.
What exactly does he think would happen if the UK ever sold out the Falklanders?
Fantasy scenario: If the Falklands declared independence upon the British Military leaving what Areargentina going to do???
Forced deportation?
Military Occupation and flood the Islands with Argentines to make a mockery of democracy?
If ever there was evidence that Argentina's Government does not want the Falklands and are happy with the status quo, then this is it.
How these scum (because that is what they are - scum) have not been bounced out of the UN is beyond me.
IMO the only people who can sort this out is Brazil. The Falklanders need to plough some serious money into historical awareness in that country so there is a widespread grassroots rejection of Argentina's nazi attitude.
Argentina is Brazil's mad dog, and it needs neutering.
You are missing a piece of your brain Mr Timerman now piss of back home where you belong.for a JEW you are disgusting with your comments obviously YOU have learnt nothing from history
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands are not, have not and never will be Argentine territory.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Timerman. As bleeding from the wound, and have nothing but insults such impotence. Self-determination if only for Argentina!
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0! LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS !
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Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's so inept, ridiculous and in no way related to reality I sometimes wonder if someone in the UK is paying these people to embarrass themselves for the fun of the British.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody could take this seriously could they?
Its like someone has created some even more cringe-worthy charterers from 'the office' and unleashed them on the general public for some hidden comedy show.
It's like a child having a tantrum I WANT IT ALL MY WAY.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rabble rabble rabble
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask me to embarrass me because it is Argentine, but not as a Jew .. And I was the Racist?
@XAVIERV he kisses the ass of a NAZI (KIRCHNER) he sells his soul and Argentine and Jewish people to a terrorist Islamic country IRAN ..WHAT WOULD YOU CALL HIM????
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As if by magic, an undisputable demonstration from this man, why sovereignty can never be given to Argentina.
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@reality check, I hope someone tells him you'll be going back to Argentina with less than you came with any pride you had left you the minute you opened your mouth
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Feb 04th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep crying island .. Before you sell your soul to Argentina to Iran, you will be filled with Islamic temples in UK .. Jajaja!
@XAVIERV What a joke you are LOL, was it not your Jewish friend sitting with the Iranian minister last week when he upset all the Jews???
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Old Crissy kissing Iranian ass now to get some cheap oil??? What a disgrace worst than a prostitute.
Ah Islam again, the boogie man under the bed. We are all grown ups on here. Well most of us are.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Argentina will be incomplete for some time to come yet. These leviathons aren't pipe dreams or on the drawing boards, the first is well on is way to being complete and nothing in the whole continent of south america has anything match them. They will also carry the stealth bomber 'Taranis'.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watch and weep Argies!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nsxjWDl7Lk
It's a bit like buying a jigsaw from a car boot sale for 5p and then complaining that a piece is missing.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is there a precedent in International Law for this?
I'm getting seriously worried if Argentina takes its case to the ICJ using this as a defence - we have absolutely no chance - you are far too clever for us-we surrender! ;-)
Ahh - a new idea - Argentina is to claim that IT has the over-riding right to “self-determination” :-)
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it does, the UN gave it to them, or hasn't he got round th that porky pie yet?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if the islands are British then let all British people democratically decide whats to happen to them.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the purest form of self-determination surely.
Well done Timmerman.uk is a pirate,liar nation! Brake all diplomatic relations with the rogue state of uk!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hague is a F--- coward!!! just “BILATERAL”,the rest is of more!!!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what about the last 180 years and the generations of people that have lived there. The decision is theirs and theirs alone and they will decide in March.
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Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess Argentina will always be an incomplete nation then.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kinda sad in a way.
Will probably be a lot worse when the Islands, someday in the distant future, one day declare their independence in line with the UN and international law.
You have to feel sorry for them, in the time it's taken me to make a cup of tea, if I was in Argentina, the price of the milk and sugar will have gone up. Infact if you stand still for long enough in one of their supermarkets you could get hit with the pricing gun yourself. The price goes up between the time when you walk in and leave.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now if I was Argentine (thank god I'm not), but if was, I would be more concerned about inflation than some islands the country has never known and whose occupants would rather slit their own throats than become Argentine!
@32 “Self-determination if only for Argentina! ! LAS MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS !”
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you fascistic Malvanistas would just listen to your disgusting selves.
You would have truly felt at home at the Nuremberg Rallies.
@44
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sad those ships. They will rust away when the UK goes broke (and it will because there is no sign your deficit is gonna shrink any time in the next 20 years).
I won't claim Argentina will make you go broke, but your dogged insistence to remain a military global power when your economy and size in today's world does not warrant that remotely, is to be your downfall. Even the USA is spending too much on military, and are also to pay the price. The markets will cut you down to size eventually.
You dont do business or buy/ sell a car like this so why would you behave like this in international politics?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just a wind up nothing more.
Saddam Hussein also felt that Kuwait belonged to Iraq, remember how that ended up? The economic professor they have sided with, Kicillof is a marxist. The last time I remember, marxism and the right to self determination DO NOT mix.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is obviously not interested in discussing anything with the UK, that much is obvious. Of course the opposite could also be said.
Simple as that. The UK is irrelevant for Argentina in practical terms and viceversa.
@58, careful TTT/Tobias/Nt8 thinks Saddam Hussein is as much a victim as Poland when it fell before Axis. He made that point very clear just before the close of 2012. Disgusting little man.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Disgusting YOU and your country for engaging in a WAR OF AGRESSION.
End of story. The UK in 2003 acted like Nazi Germany in 1939. Attack without provocation. That is your history, and that is your legacy. Suck it up and deal with that embarrassing and ignominious fact for your country.
@61 You really take the cake. Anything to present your country as a victim and find friends among the most revolting of regimes.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to remind you. “Too bad the UK equipment didn't disable itself when you gratuitously invaded Iraq, the “Poland” of the middle east. ”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/12/28/pm-thatcher-never-never-expected-argentina-to-invade-the-falklands-it-was-such-a-stupid-thing-to-do
Equating the victims of mass graves to an irredeemable regime who dug and filled mass graves of its own and used chemical weapons on its own people. I opposed GW2 but I would NEVER make such a loathsome analogy, but not you. And all in the name of whataboutery to deflect criticism from a your own fascist Junta and its crimes against humanity that you pretend to oppose. Mask came right off there didn't it!
It's time to relax after a day of Argentine successes .. The day was ours!! because:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never be a FALKLAND ISLANDS COUNTRY!
Just know that quiet sleep until my last days ..
Here in Argentina the majority of the people do not give a shit about the islands. The government tries to make of this thing a national cause, a patriotic quest; but it has no support. This matter is seen as something very far away, something that Argentina will never be able to achieve. The people are more concern with the 25% inflation rate which does not allow the citizens to make ends meet. Here, the price of food goes up every week. Who gives a shit about the Falklands when the high inflation eats you alive every week. Please, Cris lower the inflation rate.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 64
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me which country does not have internal problems? In Argentina, if inflation is not something else, it always will. But that is no excuse for the world not to raise the issue Falklands. Perhaps in UK do not know what to do with the high birth rates of Muslims, whether they stay or leave the European Union? Neither cares much to the average Brit what happens in remote islands .. Argentina had, has and will have many problems as any country .. But there's always room to raise our right to claim our territory usurpation by a foreign country, former “British Empire” is now only a mask of what was. But it still does not want to admit that its decline in the world is inevitable..
@65XAVIEV
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Perhaps in UK do not know what to do with the high birth rates of Muslims, whether they stay or leave the European Union?”
What do Muslims breeding have to do with this subject????
Do you have a dislike of Muslims or a racial prejudice against them??
With that attitude, I hope you and the other La Campora enjoy your new love-fest with Iran!!
@66 Troy
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xaviev is terrified of Muslims, so he believes that everyone else should be as well.
His 'obvious facts' are that muslims aren't the 'same' as other people, and should be 'demonised', 'hated' and 'feared'.
And he can't understand why we British don't hate and fear Muslims. He can't understand that British muslims are just that - British, no different than British Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Bhuddists, Jedi Knights or atheists.
He really is screwed up.
But then again, look at who's running his country! A man who stands up and basically says that the Falkland Islanders have NO human rights!
Mr Timmidman, you are a disgrace to Jewish people everywhere. You are a disgrace to Argentina, and you are a disgrace to the human race.
But keep it up. Everytime you open your big trap the world sees the real reason why Argentina shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Falklands, or Antarctica, or anywhere else.
You're all just a bunch of Nazi bullies.
This is being “played” perfectly by Hague. You have to hand it to him.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The more Timerman becomes frustrated the more Hague plays him like a fiddle.
self determination only applies to certain people
British people don't have self determination because their empire was bigger than Spain's
We will never accept self determination of islanders but let's discuss
We are incomplete without the islands but lets discuss
We want to discuss with out terms being set, here are our terms
This is becoming a farce, embarrassing for Argentina.
All the while and for 180 years the islands remain, happy flying their Union Flag next to Desire the Right. happy developing their fishing and oil industry.
Watching the Argentines just 300 miles away, defaulting on debts, high murder rates, high inflation, shit wine, embarrassing politicians, Nazi propoganda.
LOL....
Haig 5 Timerman 0
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Einstein said, “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome”. Don't the Argentine delegation have any professional diplomats to help pull them out of this nosedive? Surely they must have foreseen that Hague would play it straight and offer no other commentary that might up the ante. So far, the Argentine Plan B has been to repeat Plan A.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silly stupid man.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Self determination is our flag; a flag that we will never allow to be used by those who were the basis, the cradle of the largest empire history has recorded”.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did he really say this or is it a bad translation of what he said? It is kind of meaningless.
@Lep
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Timerman is saying that everyone else can have self-determination except the Falkland Islanders because they were part of the British Empire? ?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is this guy for real!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbecile
@67LEP
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Xaviev is terrified of Muslims, so he believes that everyone else should be as well.
His 'obvious facts' are that muslims aren't the 'same' as other people, and should be 'demonised', 'hated' and 'feared'.
And he can't understand why we British don't hate and fear Muslims. He can't understand that British muslims are just that - British, no different than British Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Bhuddists, Jedi Knights or atheists.”
You are bang on, Sir!
My questions to Xvv, were really just rhetorical, :-D
I know the answers - they are so xenophobic and paranoid, that it is really remarkable! They must be terribly fearful and insecure. Their inferiority complex makes them scared and hateful of others.
I am shocked though, that as a society, there seems to be such a casual racism that is displayed as commonplace.
Any Argie criticised by an outsider or themselves as doing something 'bad', is dismissed as a 'Jew', a “Muslim”, a “Bolivian”, a “European” or what have you!!
Anyone they disapprove of is easily identified as a member of some 'loathsome' group, or less-deserving type of person, or non-person.
There appears to be no personal accountability for actions, or groups of people are vilified as scapegoats.
Somebody please tell me that this is not true of the regular citizens - I see mostly La Campora on here, and they must be poor representatives.
@Lep
Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I work in a hospital like you. There are 73 different nationalities working there. The old chapel has been replaced by a spacee, Jews, Muslims, catholics, Hindus all use the same area to observe their beliefs, it is a truly amazing place. Access is off the main corridor, it,s not touched away out back in the service area.
What goes on there is amazing, what you see is respect shown between people for their way of lives.
Okay, the UK is not yet a perfect diverse culture, but it is a damn site better than most.
He should be asking himself, why so many different people choose to come here if is such a terrible place?
Better not let them have the Falklands, they've contempt for the islanders and the brits. They'll feel incomplete without britain's antartica claim, incomplete without South Georgia, incomplete with bits of Chile. Want want want!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If “completeness” is the aim then they should demand back Uruguay (Oriental province) and the western half of Tierra del Fuego, Cape Horn, and both sides of the Straits of Magellan. If Argentina were Australia the people in those countries/territories would jump at the mere suggestion but who in their right minds would want to belong to such a crappy corrupt country?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0... and Germany wouldn't be whole without the Sudetenland, Austria, etc. He's beginning to sound like a cantankerous old zionist demanding the remains of jerusalem.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fascists, best to just ignore them.
...and Iran wouldn't be whole without wiping Israel from the face of the planet.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is just so funny, you really couldn't make it up.
I wonder if the Argentines believe that shouting loudly makes people appear strong, and being quiet and polite makes people appear weak.
It's the only reason I can think of for this behaviour.
Unfortunately for Argentina, the rest of the world knows that the minute you have to raise your voice in anger and start getting hysterical to get your point across, you have already lost.
Not only that, but they find it embarrassing and distasteful.
The Falkland Islanders do have the right to self determination and are exercising it as we speak. The only thing Timerman is exercising is his left hand.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@81 Why? Is he counting all the gold bullion that he's clipped from the queen's coin? That's all probably safely invested in derivatives 'betting' on the demise of the argentine economy.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just think how much Argentina could achieve in diplomatic terms for the good of the country if they actually focussed on something which else. That amount of rhetoric which is coming out is astounding and it is not making one bit of difference. Personally I think this is a humans rights issue ultimately as the question being asked affects the way of life on 1000s of people.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, how is the international community supposed to look at this. Does it mean that if the islanders vote to keep their current status under a free and fair referendum recognised by the UN that Argentina will escalate its actions towards the islanders? This is an agressive stance and at odds with the UN. Are we, therefore, seeing Argentina distancing itself from every international organisation?
Ban Ki Moon has stated that the Right to Self Determination applies in this case.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone, please explain, how do they interpet this has being, the UN says that it does not apply.
All I can think is that it comes from the C24. They do realise that this is a committee of the UN, surely!
@84 - RC
Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's obvious they every day in Argentina is 'opposite' day. So when someone says one thing they mean the opposite.
So when the UN says that the right to self-determination applies to the Falkland Islanders, in opposite world Argentina, it means that it does not.
But like all fanatics they only believe what they want to believe. It's like the UN resolutions they keep banging on about. They interpret them as the UN demands that the UK hands the Falkland Islands over to Argentina, no questions asked. Wheras any sane person knows that no UN resolution has ever said any such thing.
As Churchill famously said: A fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
@84 The argentines have historically tried to get the UN to put their faux-territorial integrity above self-determination with regards to the decolonisation process. They failed.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Banksy Moon has categorically stated the UK is not ignoring any resolutions.
The fact the Argentines are saying the opposite is because they're playing upon mainly latin-american people's lack of education, ignorance, and lack of access to uncensored press.
They know they're telling baseless lies every day, but it's hard for other people to know.
@ 66, @ 67, @ 75
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0So I'm a racist and xenophobic? That my point about Muslims is only a problem of my imagination? I feel panic for them??
Well, just so you know, live so isolated that they believe their problems are the only problems with the British. They think that the issue is not a problem of Muslims in Britain. For now it is not your problem, but it will be in the near future.
Read this article and then refute my position. I do not accept that disqualify me without reading this!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9836109/Muslim-patrols-could-become-more-prevalent-and-more-violent-warns-anti-extremist.html
From presonal experience I can tell you categorically, anyone, muslim or not, mounting patrols on a British stree, threatening or causing people to fear violence, is going to nicked and nicked damn fast.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0slow getting to mercopress today however:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Timmerman is quite obviously desperate and completely bonkers.
2) Xavier has some serious xenophobia/racism issues
3) Timmerman is totally out of his depth and his lack of diplomatic training/experience is showing
4) The Argentine Government doesnt seem to realise that what works inside its own country, with a strangled media, simply does not work outside of Argentina: people have access to a free-press and so this sort of ranting makes them look juvenile.... particularly when it so obviously goes up, directly against, the fundamental principles of the UN Charter.
bonkers.
@10 No, they weren't. When was it argieland put in its claim to the British Antarctic Territory? When did Peron come up with his nonsensical claim to the Falkland Islands? And how about the equally ridiculous claim to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands? All on the basis of what Hitler promised.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Up yours!
@32 Stuff you!
@49 Please!
@50 Timidman is a F------ COWARD! And a F------ TWAT! And a disgrace to all other SLUGS!
@56 Sorry to disappoint. They are built not to rust.
@59 Please follow your practice from '82. But this time, don't paint red crosses. Paint targets!
@61 And the Falklands War was what? An argie WAR OF AGGRESSION. The difference? Iraq was ready. The Falkland Islands weren't. An argie WAR OF AGGRESSION against peaceful, unarmed civilians. The only sort of “enemy” argies can cope with!
@63 The Falkland Islands are already a country. Would you like your “sleep” to be permanent?
They can be so ignorant those Argentine politicians.. .the decolonisation committee is basicly stating that in any disputed area the people themselves decide... Here you have Argentina fighting with a 3th country over other peoples rights... in a UN comittee that has a charter stating the right of self determination... 180Years passed ...and more will pass.. without anything for argentina if they keep on being like this.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0For if there were doubts, Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota told him in the face Hague what Brazilians say. Appropriated According to AFP, the Brazilian foreign minister said his country and the rest of Mercosur, “supports the sovereignty of Argentina and dialogue between Argentina and the UK under the auspices of the United Nations.”
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Falklands will be under our control within 20 years, says Argentina - Argentinian foreign minister rules out military solution but says 'not one single country' supports UK right to govern over islands.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands Islands will be under Argentinian control within 20 years, the South American country's foreign minister, Héctor Timerman, has said in an interview with the Guardian.
Visiting London for the first time, he ruled out a military solution to the 130-year-old sovereignty dispute but claimed the world increasingly recognised that the islands were a product of colonialism. He accused the British government of being motivated by a fanatical desire to hold on to the islands and claimed “the United Kingdom has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity to find a solution for the Malvinas”.
“I don't think it will take another 20 years. I think that the world is going through a process of understanding more and more that this is a colonial issue, an issue of colonialism, and that the people living there were transferred to the islands.”
He vowed that the interests of the existing islanders would be protected under Argentinian rule, including “their way of life, their language and right to remain British citizens”. But he drew a distinction between the islanders' interests, which could be met, and their wishes, which could not.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/falklands-under-our-control-argentina
It is midday in the UK 5/2/2013
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have trawled all the news media here and there is absolutely no mention anywhere of this creep's visit to London. As far as we are concerned his rudeness and total lack of diplomacy makes him a nonentity.
Surely Argentina has professional diplomatics who are able to handle this appalling situation in such a way that mutual respect will prevail.
@92:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Brazil Patriota is widely regarded as a clown. (The latest of many scandals involves the issuance of diplomatic passports to evangelical clergymen.) Only the most fanatical leftists still respect him. So wake up. Brazilians will never wet their feet to help further inflate their neighbours' astronomical egos. Get off your fascist horse and give freedom its very first chance in your pathetic country.
Re my 94.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the Guardian as in @93
Rubbishy insults, as usual!
“not one single country” except:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, India, Denmark, Belgium, netherlands....etc etc etc...
Commedy Genius in the Guardian article:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have been trying to find a peaceful solution for 180 years”
erm.. 1982 ring any bells?
fucking moron.
(and i very rarely swear)
PMSL!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman, you are a Neanderthal halfwit with an incomplete brain .. as are the imbeciles who hang on your moronic ejaculations.
You are off your tiny deluded head, Argentine sovereignty in 20 years, going to be a lot of disappointed Argentines in 2033 then, LMFAO.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In twenty years billions of dollars will have been spent on devleoping the Islands Hydro Carbon Industry, infrastructure will have been improved, Falklands Economy will be booming and the Islanders will be living a comfortable enviable life style. Then they are going to turn it all over to you, because you said they would, yes!
You numpty, smoke something before the interview did you? or have you been mixing your meds with alcohol again. Think the Islanders, supported by the British, might not agree with your stupid prediction.
In fact, it will be minor miracle if Argentina even exists as a viable national entity in twenty year's time.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Biggest load of bollocks I have ever read, avoids answering any question, not an interview, an advertisement. Wonder what other papers will give him space.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98. And he said it in the freakin' UK!!!!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The stupid!! It burns!!
Last train to London
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lae2i-OcfjY
With spanish subs for Some Spanish speakers on those Islands
Come on sing lads
Last train to london,just headin out,
Last train to london,just leavin town.
But I really want tonight to last forever
I really wanna be with you.
Let the music play on down the line tonight.
He only picked 20 years because it's far enough away that he won't be proved wrong while still in the job but in the meantime it might raise the hopes & spirits of a few fanatics daft enough to still believe him. Since he is going to rule the Islanders in less than 20 years but has promised to protect their way of life then does it not logically follow that he would need to meet their representatives to see what their way of life is? Otherwise how can he make such a promise?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104 - Dany
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who let you out of your padded room?
I suppose you support the Nazi Argentine regime. No doubt you are busy building the gas chambers so you can get rid of those people who refuse to bow down to your facist Nazi ideals.
What a pathetic soul you are.
By the way, you never did answer how your invasion plans are going. Are you realising that you are a complete plonker who knows nothing of military tactics, logistics and legality?
Any normal person would be humilated by the way your supposed governments. But I think sanity sailed away from people like you a long time ago.
Hey Hector, if your sovereignty claim is so solid, why don't you take it to the International Court of Justice?
You won't because your sovereignty claim is a LIE, and a pathetically WEAK lie at that. Weak, just like CFK and her cronies have made Argentina. Weak, and a laughing stock.
Show us where the UN said that the Falkland Islanders DON'T have the right to self-determination?
You can't because they never said it. More lies, Hector? The world is ROFL at Argentina and it's pathetic excuse for politicians right now. :)
The article in the Guardian is an embarrassment. He claims that the Falkland Islanders are steal ALL of Argentina's resources. Really? So they have nothing else? I am sure Argentines will be interested to hear that.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the FCO or FIG gives a point by point answer to Timerman's nonsense rambling.
Interestingly, there are very few comments supporting Timerman's fantasy, even in the Guardian.
@107 The whole thing is silly. He starts talking about new settlers in the west bank, as if it's in any way appropriate to the 180 years that the population has grown, and as if there weren't palestinian farms there.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The irony is that it's all very goebellian, contrasted with the fact that he's a jew.
What happen boys don't you like the music?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about this one?
Indus's UK Tour 2009-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MT-NchFW38
You ask I deliver...
@107. ALL of their resources! That's not an pair of matching islands! That's Dr Evil's volcano lair!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But really. The comments. The GUARDIAN comments! Total fail. This is the saddest and most pathetic smackdown since Andy Kaufman stepped into the ring. With the ~Guardian~ readers not buying it, how is he going to find 18 people to validate him?
Independent reader's comments:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This man is a disgrace. From Argentina please accept my most sincere apologies. He does not represent the majority of our nation and his threats are nonsense.”
Alejandro Córdova
#109
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy it Dany. Music from one of the 21st centuries soon to become superpowers. As an aside, they mainly speak English, not Argie/Spanish
That Guardian article is pure genius. I don't believe Hector has any idea how badly he is coming across. He's stuck in his developing world mentality and seemed to forget who his audience is.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait for the papers under the 50 year rule when he's revealed to be an MI6 agent and agent provocateur
“What happen boys don't you like the music?”
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are misunderstand the point Dany: everybody is agog at the sheer stupidity of Timmerman, nobody is threatened by him.
In fact most people have been thoroughly enjoying Timmerman's visit so far.
Falklands in Argentine hands in 20 years (hilarious)....read Timmerman here:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/falklands-under-our-control-argentina
@113 I wouldn't be surprised to find that he's doing all this for some other reason. I'm still putting my money on the fact he's bought derivatives that pay out if Argentina collapses, so he's doing everything in his power to get that.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina collapses? WHEN Argentina collapses. If you can find a bookmaker, anywhere in the developed world (which as we all know doesn't include the Argentinian armpit) who will give you odds on Argentina not collapsing, then I will give you your stake and double it.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His “20 years” claim is just wishful thinking and an attempt to spread the message that it's a foregone conclusion.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm amazed he forgot to mention that the UK is threatening him with nuclear weapons. It'd take more than one to crack that thick skull of his.
If Timerman had a skull. Unfortunately he just has two arseholes and has trouble deciding which one to speak through ... so he takes the easy option and just shits incessantly through both of them
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This whole Malvinas thing is more than just wanting the islands back. It seems to be more of a national psychological issue. Argentina has deep scars and deep divisions (both historically and now). I don't think that the Malvinas issue is brought up just for drum banging purposes; it seems to me that the Malvinas are a natural and obvious manifestation of Argentina's issues and a repository for decades of blame. There seems to be this idea that if they got the islands then everything would be ok, that divisions would cease and the internal problems plaguing the country for so many years would disappear. I think it manifests itself in the WAY it is spoken about, not by use of facts and reality, but highly emotive language which seems to betray and fuel this idea.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, the importance place upon the war and the number of commemorative statues/plaques seems to out weight and be vastly disproportionate to the number of people who died. Put this into context with the 30,000 disappeared and you realise that the airtime or the political importance placed on this gross act is not 400 times greater than the Malvinas. Especially when you consider that this was Argentina person on person violence and something which in the future you are more likely to be able to control thus giving you more of a reason to do something about it, use that as your repository with the motto “lest we forget”.
It is a similar concept to the wife beater who blames the same childhood issues for his current state over and over again.
As such, I am not surprised at anything said regarding this especially when it comes to total denial of the truth e.g. “we have tried to resolve this peacefully for 180 years”. Argentina is getting to a point where this issue will dominate political decision-making and national consciousness for generations to come which will, in turn, fuel a lack of accountability for political decisions which actually affect the long term health of the country.
Whiff of fear from tinman
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Malvinas islanders referendum has no legal value,' Timerman
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123486/malvinas-islanders-referendum-has-no-legal-value-timerman
My mother made a good point when I mentioned this aritcle to her, it is a point I don't want to think too hard about and is rather cynical/morbid but a valid one nevertheless:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK polictical parties currently support our cause but who knows what could happen in 20 years from now? At least we have oil, otherwise the UK might lose interest in us altogether.”
Personally I would rather believe that we mean more to the UK than oil and that the UK would never just dump us but there are some very anti-British political parties in Britain (yes I wrote that correctly) who would love to pass the FI over to Argentina. I know I will be branded as rascist for saying this but, the muslims have never supported the Falklands and if they take over the UK we're doomed. I can only pray that commen sense will prevail and immigration laws will be tightened preventing minorty groups from taking over the UK through sheer numbers.
Vote UKIP I say
““The UK polictical parties currently support our cause but who knows what could happen in 20 years from now? At least we have oil, otherwise the UK might lose interest in us altogether.”””
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0self-determination still wins regardless... the UN have already thrown out a Spanish/Argentine proposal to say it doesnt apply in the case of territorial disputes.... so unless the UN Charter changes......
@123
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope and pray that you are right. I have no problem being a part of the UK and maybe one day we will be strong enough to gain our independence....but the winds of politics are ever changing
@122 I would not worry too much about that. I think people misunderstand the whole reason the UK supports the Islanders. We will gain nothing from the oil, tourism and success of the islands. Like so many times before this is about honour, principle and protecting the rights of the Falkland Islanders. It is about right over wrong. When push comes to shove, the UK government will be there.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't want to insult your mother in any way but where on earth does this idea that muslims are taking over the UK come from? The Daily Mail? The British have always been comprised of a mixture of ethnicity, religion, race etc. It is the British culture that is important.
@121
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RG Land is shit scared of the referendum especially being marshalled by independent observers. So much for the lie that the Islanders are RG's being held against their will - ho, ho, ho.
@94 Gordo1
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Mr Timerman has achieved his objective, of making headlines in the UK, this story is now spreading around the world...
http://www.france24.com/en/20130205-falklands-will-be-ours-20-years-argentina
http://www.france24.com/en/20130205-falklands-will-be-ours-20-years-argentina
@124 Fundamentally, the reason for going to war was not to make Margret Thatcher popular, because a lot of people hated her nearly as much as people hate Tony Blair. The reason for doing it was because it was the right thing to do. Whilst pretending not to be catholic and in the pockets of Murdoch, Blair tried to sell out the Gibraltans, simply because he thought it would get him support for the presidency of Europe. That all failed to happen, because it was , like him, fundamentally evil.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Falklands you have some hard decisions to make. We all know you want to stay like the Shire, or Hobbiton, but you have Saruman and the hourdes of Mordor at your door. You have to find the right way to defend yourselves and become stronger as a proto-state, without ruining all that you have.
I wouldn't worry though, Singapore has done it and they started from a similar position, far smaller, and without any resources to use.
It's basically all about making the cost of war with the falklands high enough that the Argentines never invade again, and modern technology makes this cost quite low.
@127, pity neither has comments like the Guardian. I will settle for those, for an anti-Tory rag, they are hilariously critical.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Muslims”? Are you for real? Are you really so Neanderthal that you can't tell the difference between Muslims and Islamists? Muslims as a whole, in the UK, are amongst the most progressive and are as repelled by Sharia as anyone else - witness the fact that 90% of Muslim MPs are today voting in favour of same-sex marriage (if only the same could be said of Christian and Jewish MPs) .. rather than living up to the UKIP stereotype that they would see gays stoned to death (which ironically is closer to UKIP's point of view than this generalisation you call “the Muslims”).
But do please enlighten as to your evidence for your claim that “the Muslims have never supported the Falklands”.
As for minority groups taking over the UK . It would behove you that immigrant groups have ruled the UK for pretty much all of the last 2,000 years and that the overwhelming majority of Britons are of immigrant stock .. even Nigel Farage, UKIP's very own fascist leader, is of French ancestry and married to a German.
No doubt what you mean is Muslim immigrants. Well, even at the current rates of immigration, it will be very many lifetimes before they are a majority .. and even that presupposes that they would continue to identify as foreigners (which the vast majority of 2nd generation immigrants don't).
@125
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you that the UK supports the Falklands for many reasons besides oil development, but the Falklands is as much a popular political mission for the brits as it is for the argies. It is a matter of national pride for both sides, and I'm happy with that if it means the UK continues to support us. Doing the right thing can only come around if there are people in power who believe in it.
Ah, my mum, yes....she is a housewife and although I love her she does nothing except read online news all day every day. She is also the most right-wing person you could ever meet and can be very bigoted at times. I get daily lectures about how awful the world and people in general are; it doesn't matter that I am now in my early 20s and quite capable of forming my own decisions!
I think I am straying somewhat off topic here......
Self determination by its very meaning includes all people, not just the ones the Argies want to give it to!
The UK & Fig need to counter this idiots comments. How a aggressive foreign minister is allowed to come to this country and spread his hate filled rhetoric concerning colonising a BOT is appalling, the behaviour of these so called politicians on behalf of Argentina should be condemned at the highest level it could almost be called warmongering.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN also needs to release a statement re-affirming its support of self determination in the Falklands islands and condemn the behaviour of the Argentine government.
@132
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. Its frankly outrageous and he obviously wants the UK to take the water in and bite. They show themselves up as an insulting bunch of corrupt hypocrites.
The RG Govt has absolutely no shame and seems to be getting more and more frustrated by any sort of progress on the issue. In the end they'll have to slink away quietly.
No chance will the FI or the UK give an inch to the RG's. We have no need to.
6 Rob the argentin
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not everyone thinks like Timerman Argentines. Many of us support the right to self-determination Falkland. And the world without the support Malvinas well.
All Argentine and Latin American and the rest of the Anglo-Saxon world are proud as our President Cristina Kirchner Fernandezde and defend our Foreign Minister Hector Timerman Argentine rights over the Falkland Islands against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century.
They support this claim such important bodies as the UN Assembly Resolution 2065, the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, the Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi
Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty”
http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397.
Always keep in mind the Constitution Argentina:
“La Nacion Argentina ratifies its legitimate and sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the corresponding maritime and insular areas, being part of the national territory. Recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty , respecting the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are a permanent and unwavering goal of the Argentine people. ”
CONSTITUTION ARGENTINA, Prime transitional provision
E-Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
@130
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you are getting UKIP confused with the BNP
I support gay marriage and I can't understand why people are getting in such a flap about it. So two people of the same gender want to marry, who gives a cr*p? I also believe gays should be able to adopt children if they could provide a happy positive environment.
Remind me of the last time a Christian, Jew, Hindu, or any other religion flew a plane into a building full of innocent people. Or walked into a public place with a bomb strapped to their chest? Muti-culturism doesn't work unless the people immagrating want to become part of the culture they are moving into. I include any brit who moves to another country in that belief.
Why to the liberals slap the 'fascist' label on any party or movement they don't argee with? UKIP just want Britian to be for the British, like Gandi wanted India for the Indians. No one calls him a fascist. And who cares where the leader of UKIP was born? If he is a British citizen then he is British.
@122 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you also considered the fact that the “Falkland Islander” identity encompasses a broad range of ancestry? English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Scandinavian, Russian, German, Argentinian, Chilean, French, Dutch, Spanish, Channel Islanders, Gibraltarians, Saint Helenians, Ascension Islanders, Bermudians, Caymanians ...... do you really think that could happen if UKIP had their way?
@134 “All Argentine and Latin American and the rest of the Anglo-Saxon world are proud as our President Cristina Kirchner Fernandezde and defend our Foreign Minister Hector Timerman Argentine rights over the Falkland Islands against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”
bet you they dont.
and, you colonised Patagonia and you are trying to colonise the Falklands... so be careful calling other people colonisers. ;-)
@135 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If he is a British citizen then he is British”
Yes, and exactly the same goes for Muslims who settle in Britain, so there goes your argument .. and no, I am not confusing the small-minded xenophobic racists who support UKIP with the BNP.
I notice that, by tossing in a ridiculous straw man about suicide bombers and flying planes into buildings, you attempted to dodge the invite to support your preposterous assertions with evidence. Plenty of Christians have been responsible for far worse atrocities - the church itself has been responsible for far worse atrocities – so once again, do please give us evidence for your repellent comments.
@138
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no interest in becoming a part of the 'who is the worse racist' contest with you.
@139 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fine, I take that as an admission that you don't enjoy the luxury of evidence to support your xenophobic drivel .. which, quite frankly, sounds more like the sort of hateful clueless spew we are used to from members of the Argentinian government.
137 Anbar
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you do not.
If they do.
This was substantiated as important organs such as the Assembly UN resolution 2065, the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, the OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan Maguire Northern Ireland, Rigoberta Menchu Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi
Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace compel the United Kingdom to resume negotiations on sovereignty”
www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397.
and colonized Patagonia and is trying to colonize the Falklands ... so be careful calling others colonists. ;-)
The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, Falklands-Malvinas Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Besides the UN resolutions are referred to a colony.
See 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. It is a territory to colonize.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony. Example Wikipedia.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comité_de_Descolonización
face1354@hotmail.com
”Timerman said Argentina is willing to sit to dialogue with the UK but in accordance with the Untied Nations mandate and rejects “the participation of the people from the Falkland Islands in any Malvinas sovereignty negotiations”.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try reading the resolutions you plasticine- wanabee -Wallace -and -Gromit model moron, they say the Islanders interests have to be taken into account.
That means you have to talk to the 'population' you ignorant fuckwwit.
Where the feck is he in London? I want to give this racist facsist a piece of my mind.
@140
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not xenophobic because I think that those who say all white people will burn in hell are bad people and that these people should not be permitted to live in the UK. I don't want to cause harm to muslims or anyone else for that matter, I just don't believe the UK can continue to soak up the world's dissplaced peoples. I don't want to stop all immgration because that is just daft. But we need rules and we need to be careful who we let in. I suffer from the consequences of having a neighbour that wants to wipe your race from the face of the planet all the time. I know the Falklands is made up of different races but these races come together under one banner: kelpers. The same can not be said for the millions of races in the UK. If that were true there would be no rascist motivated attacks in the UK, like there are none in the Falklands.
@141 Raul
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) As always, none of those UN resolutions refer to the Falklands as a colony.
2) Nothing in the link you provided translates as ”Six Nobel Peace Prize REQUIRE the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty” .. besides, none of them are in a position to require anyone to do anything.
3) The the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations isn't an important body. It is an irrelevant laughingstock that has precisely zero authority.
4) The the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations does not consider the Falklands a colony. It lists them as a “non-self-governing territory” .. which in any case is irrelevant since they are more self-governing than many territories that have been removed from the list. They only remain on the list for political purposes.
LEPRecon (#80)
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I wonder if the Argentines believe that shouting loudly makes people appear strong, and being quiet and polite makes people appear weak.
It's the only reason I can think of for this behaviour.
Unfortunately for Argentina, the rest of the world ... find it embarrassing and distasteful.”
I think it is a mistake for the 'histrionic ones' who travel outside their culture to try and use their shrill tactics on the likes of Sec. of State Hague.
This Brit is the very last one one would wish to engage in diplomatic debate, and the more so if Argentinian debating style is employed.
It is like sending lambs to the slaughter.
Self-evidently, the deployment of Timerman and Castro is to play well to the audience back home.
There seems to be a non-comprehension in Argentina that the rest of the world finds this 'Hectoring' ... yes, ... simply embarrassing.
Slightly more difficult for 60 million diverse people to get along together than 3000, or would you not agree?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/5/minister-vows-falklands-back-argentinas-hands-with/
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina’s foreign minister said Monday he will bring forth a “diplomatic package” that United Kingdom governing officials couldn’t refuse and that within 20 years, Britain will relinquish ownership of the Falkland Islands.
This will no doubt be the same “diplomatic package” that the Rg politicians get frequently - LOL.
@143 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xenophobic is exactly what you are, because you are making crass generalisations Mulsims, and blame all Muslims for what a small minority of Islamists say.
You also seem to overlook the fact that the overwhelming majority of racially motivated attacks in the UK are perpetrated by those who claim to be true British Anglo-Saxons (quite comical that you can claim to be true British whilst reverting to the names of two tribes from Denmark and Germany).
Honestly, if you were my neighbour, I would probably be ashamed and secretly wish that someone would make you vanish in a puff of smoke.
@141 Raul
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know what the Decolonisation Committee is for? It exists to help former colonies achieve autonomy/independence by a variety of means. It absolutely does NOT exist to prevent them achieving independence by forcing them to become part of another country. That certain countries on the committee are using their positions to keep the BOTs on the list against the wishes of the people who live there is pretty shocking really - but no surprise.
Regarding Nobel Peace Prize winners from Northern Ireland, you might want to ask David Trimble whether he also thinks that the people of the Falkland Islands have no rights.
@148
Feb 05th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I DON'T blame all muslims for the actions of a few. My original point was that there were groups within the UK who would glady hand the Falklands over to the Argies without a care. How is it that Islamists can get away with calling us the “White Infidel” but we can't speak out in response without being called xenophobes?
When did I ever claim to be “true British”? I am a Falkland Islander first and formost. “Two tribes of Denmark and Germany”? What are you on about? Is it my username? I used the phonetic alphabet for that, 'F' is Foxtrot and 'I' is Indigo or India. In otherwords it spells out FI Falkland Islands.
FI
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Course there will be minority groups who will take there side, just has there were minority groups who supported them during the war.
The majority of the UK people will not let countenance any transfer of sovereignty to the Argentines, especially when they read the loony rantings of that eminent statesman Timmerman. That is apart from that same loony minority we are herein refering to.
@151
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True...I just forgot that the UK polulace are not allowed to have an opinion unless it obeys the PC thought police guidelines.
@150 Foxtrot Indigo
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your original statement was a grotesque and sweeping statement about “the Muslims”. If you aren't man enough to stand by it and accept that you are a xenophobe, then I suggest you retract the statement. As for not supporting the Falklands, I know plenty of British people who would gladly be shot of them - I don't agree with them (unless that is what the Islanders want), but that is their right .. and whatever anyone's views are on the Falklands, it has nothing to do with being either British or a Muslim. It is just opinion.
The reason that your response to being called a “white infidel” (which by the way I am calling you out as a liar on, because I don't actually for a minute believe that anyone has ever said that to your face), is that you are smearing ALL Muslims with your rabid hatred.
“When did I ever claim to be “true British”? I am a Falkland Islander first and formost.”
DOH! Where did I say that you claimed to be “true British”. Oh, that's right .. I didn't.
Anyway, as you clearly don't have anything rational to say and still refuse to support your first assertion with any evidence to show the truth of your pig-ignorant assertion that “the Muslims have never supported the Falklands and if they take over the UK we're doomed”, I will leave you to your suppurating hatred and ponder the fact that you are worse than DanyBerger .. and probably also that if your views are typical of the Falkland Islanders of today, then good riddance and let the Argentinians make hay, because you disgust me.
PS: “Two tribes of Denmark and Germany”? What are you on about? Is it my username?” No - it refers to Anglo-Saxons. Angles and Jutes were Danish tribes from southern Jutland, who migrated to Britain en masse, and Saxons were a tribe from Germany.
I just think the Muslims are having a bad time of it at the moment, they used to be really modern, crazy and scientific with their whirling dervishes and their mathematical knowledge... I'm sure they'll be back out of it soon enough. To be fair even the Catholics (IRA, et cetera) love to blow things up, like busy shopping streets and manchester city centre and that was all paid for by our friends in the USA. Even the Israelis love a bit of a massacre like in Deir Yassin.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two things confuse me though, which are:
a) why does KFC continuously say that nations like Argentina shouldn't listen to individuals like the old pensioners who held tango-bonds, or the owners of the hedge funds, but then Argentina says the UK should listen to some individuals who Norway gave one of their highly politicized peace prizes to, and occasionally an average film or rock star?
b) why do english ladies fantasize over argentinian men and people tell me that argentinan women look hot, when from what I've seen argentinian men look like fat greasy-mullet personified and argentinian women look like reanimated corpses?
@154 Shed-time
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably because English ladies have sampled the fruits of Stockwell and know the secret that only gay men are privy to: that Latino men generally have an awesome sense of rhythm and are HOT in bed ;)
@147 The Cestrian
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn't ask for a better excuse for double entendres could you?
UK and Falkland Islands unimpressed by the size of Argentina's diplomatic package...
@156 Rufus
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... because it isn't big enough to touch the sides if you stick it up your Junta?
A diplomatic package that would be impossible to refuse........does it contain some nice jam donuts maybe?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Vuggevise
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) As always, none of these UN resolutions relating to the Falklands as a colony.
There are none so deaf that will not hear. There are none so blind that will not see. What planet do you live? all refer to a colony that are implanted. You consider yourself to your point four.
2) Nothing in the link you provided is translated as “Six Nobel Peace compel the United Kingdom to resume negotiations on sovereignty” .. Moreover, none of them are able to require anyone to do anything.
Have sufficient moral authority, that the UK does not have. They struggle against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century. What a great thing the have awarded. England bid to violence and colonialism. Argentina commitment to peace, dialogue and territorial integrity. Argentina suffered four 1806-1807-1833-1845 British invasions.
3) The Committee on Decolonization of the United Nations is an important organ ..... It is an irrelevant joke has precisely zero authority.
Why do you mock and adjective do not know what? The committee is one of the most relevant and important organs of the United Nations that works in tandem with the United Nations General Assembly and the International Court of Justice. It is widely read and respected in the world, for the world public opinion, especially for global organizations and human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, nobel peace prize, etc.. .
4) The Committee on Decolonization of the United Nations does not consider the Falklands a colony. They are classified as a “dependent territory” ... which in any case is irrelevant, since they are more autonomous than many territories that have been deleted from the list.
Quite the contrary. It is totally relevant. Just to be a “dependent territory” is synonymous with colonialism and imperialism. Read the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (2065) and the decolonization committee. Never have been removed from the list.
Mr Hague, thank you for meeting me for these bilateral talks, now tell me, when and how are you going to hand over the islands to us?
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Timmerman, you asked for them, how about when hell freezes over. Now shall we move on to the next item, ah yes, flight BA 123, leaving Heathrow in three hours time, be on it.
@159 Raul
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Not a single one of them uses the word “colony” . Feel free to go and read them on the UN website.
2)Nice, so now you change what I write and still put it in quotation marks; but even that feeble attempt fails because there is still nothing in the link that translates as “Six Nobel Peace compel the United Kingdom to resume negotiations on sovereignty” .. and it is still the case that none of them have either the moral authority or the position to “compel” anyone to do anything.
3) One again you change what I wrote and still enclose it in quotation marks. Yet again you fail miserably, because the fact still remains that the C24 is an irrelevant body with no authority. If it works so closely with the GA and the International Court of Justice, why have none of these condemned Britain over the Falklands in living memory .. and why do Argentina and the C24 refuse to let the International Court of Justice pass judgement on the Falklands?
4) I didn't say they had been removed from the list, you ignorant twerp.
“”Why do you mock and adjective do not know what? The committee is one of the most relevant and important organs of the United Nations that works in tandem with the United Nations General Assembly and the International Court of Justice. It is widely read and respected in the world, for the world public opinion, especially for global organizations and human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Mothers of Plaza de Mayo, nobel peace prize, etc.. .“”
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the head of the UN said it needed “revisiting” because it was so out of touch and patently failing those who it is supposed to be helping.
Raul - you're a joke... you cannot see what is rightin front of you: the C24 has no Authority whatsoever and the Spanish & Argentine attempt to make the “territorial integrity” argument supersede/trump “self-determination” was THROWN OUT by the General Assembly (the whole body of the UN) 2 years ago.
get up to speed fcol.
Stop the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respect the self determination of Argentina and quit the militarization of Antarctica. End message, simple!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/argentinian-foreign-minister-says-not-one-single-country-supports-uk-right-to-govern-over-falkland-islands-8481542.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/argentinian-foreign-minister-says-not-one-single-country-supports-uk-right-to-govern-over-falkland-islands-8481542.html
Resolution 2065, dated 1960. All resolutions prior to 1982 are defunct, Argentina resorting to armed force as a method of resolving conflict rendered them void. Take it to the International Court of Justice if you do not believe me, what the hell, take it there anyway.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's the matter, you are not so timid at taking other issues before a court. Is it that you know that you will lose, that is what is stopping you, is it not? The UK is willing, why is Argentina avoiding it?
So Argentina will never accept the right to self-determination. So what? Militarily, they're capable of nothing. So, at the end of the day, so what? The Argentine government is full of shitheads and they should be allocating their energy and efforts toward a lot of other things that are far more relevant in the near term.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163 Pirat-Hunter
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will Argentina decolonise Patagonia and the Pampas?
One colonial question at a time guys! Right now they have their hands full trying to colonise the Falkland Islands.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think most realize that the comments made by this putz (Timmerman) are mostly for argentine consumption - that is what they do, whip up national fervor over non-issues to get folks to stop worrying about little things like inflation, crime, corruption, dollar policy (e.g. dollar restrictions) and the dismal state of affairs 2 Kirchner regimes has handed the people. argentines get what they voted for - despoitism at it's finest if ever there was. Only a matter of time now until they devalue the peso and the fun will just be getting started - we'll see if FI matter much then lol..
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best way to have one over a bully is exactly what Willy Hague is doing ( ignoring him )
Feb 05th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will someone please remind Raul that they turned their backs on UN negotiations into a popular war that they lost, ignoring the UN security council in the process. Argentina is a third party to the decolonisation process, and no, it's not an important 'organ' because they only produce draft resolutions which don't mean anything.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it had anything to do with decolonisation any more, then patagonia would be on it, but it's not, so it's not.
islas Malvinas Argentina are not negotiable the Brits can go be Brits in UK. We Argentines support a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina, that's all, if anyone here is against a nuclear defense program 100% made in Argentina start by giving up nukes in your own country first, other ways you can all go to hell.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_64333.shtml
@171 Pirat-Hunter
Feb 05th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of, I am sue the unanimous verdict on your calls for the unprovoked nuclear militarisation of the South Atlantic will be greeted with a resounding “Bring it on!”. Anything for an excuse to sink a few more leaky Argie tubs.
PS: Nice link. Good to see Hector Zimmerframe making a fool of himself and overlooking the fact that more countries are on record as supporting Britain's position on self-determination than are on record as supporting Argentina's claim to sovereignty :D
171. Your backward thinking and threatening ways are the reason the UK hangs on to their nuclear deterrent. We call ours Trident. In my opinion, La Casa Rosada should feel the full force of it, if anything close to 1982 should start to reoccur.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171 stop posting reports from papers that are only reporting what tinman said not what the papers or thier readers actually think, you really are a thick Rg Canadian aren't you. If i was to post a link that Clarin think CFK is a twat with a report would you believe that as gospel, although they'd be right of course which is the difference
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Timerman's analysis is mistaken. The truth is that Argentina will be an “incomplete country” as long as it insists on personality politics over serious institutions.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They reality is they do not have to accept it, they only have to live with it. There is not a damned thing they caan do about it.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HEy piss hunter the RG Canadian immigrant, if you ever went back you would see that they can't collect garbage off the streets and you expect them to develope weapons of mass destruction.....you're a fucking joke!
Let me clarify some points to you blind british propaganda eaters:
Feb 05th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- For the UNGA and the UN Decolonization Committe, the islands are a non self-governing territorie, where the United Kingdom is the administrative power and whose sovereignty is in dispute with Argentina. Expecting the argentine foreign minister to talk with common british citizens about Malvinas is like asking your prime minister Camaron to talk with a common argentine citizen about the same topic. absurd.
2- The same UN bodies, says this is a bilateral sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina where they must find a diplomatic and peacefull solution that ends the sovereignty dispute.
3- What makes you think that the settlers of the COLONY, im sorry, the NON SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIE, must be the ones that negotiate sovereignty with Argentina along with the UK. does the UN resolutions specify this arrangement? no. Does UN resolutions specifically says there is three parties in this dispute? no.
4- Does the UN recognize a legitimate government in the Malvinas islands? no. The UN locate the islands in the list of territories under colonial systems. Identify its colonial administrators, in this case the UK. Thats how we keep on track how many territories are colonized by the UK.
Clarify away all you like, the fact remains they have and will retain sovereignty over their islands and if you want to talk about that, you are going to have to talk to them. Not that it will do you any good anyway, because they are not going to hand any form of sovereignty over to Argentina, as the Americans say, period!
Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RC, you say that they have and will, and im talking about if they should or should not. Big difference.
Feb 05th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be you are right and they have and will retain the islands. but they shouldnt and we will claim them until we recover them.
And you thinking that saying “period” you can end a dispute, a discussion or a debate. Go to your home and check if your wife is alone in there becouse i think she is cheating on you.
@177
Feb 05th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“with common british citizens about Malvinas ”
The problem you have is that they are not common British citizens.
Some of them have emigrated from the UK recently as people have emigrated to Argentina.
There are also people who have emigrated from Chile and countries other than Britain (ie England Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland).
Are the Chilean people who have become Falkland Islanders from the UK as well?
2.“bilateral sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina where they must find a diplomatic and peacefull solution that ends the sovereignty dispute.
Most of them have been born in the islands. The Falkland islands are 8000 miles away from the UK therefore any born on the islands cannnot be from the UK.
I am from England. unless I live for a certain period in FI I have no right to vote in the islands or become a Falkland Islander as GUESS WHAT? I was not born in the islands.
2.”bilateral sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina where they must find a diplomatic and peacefull solution that ends the sovereignty dispute.”
You will be aware then if you have read the resolutions requesting Argentina and the UK to talk, that the interests of the Islanders must be taken into account. That means they have to have a say. Also you will have read the resolutions that say that the provisions of ther UN charter must be taken into account. All of them support the Falkland Islanders, (not Argentina and the UK). As Argentina refuse to take these into account, it therefore breaks the resolutions.
Argentina by invading the Falkland Islands, broke resolution 2065, a mistake which Argentina tries to pretend did not occur. Argentina did not comply with resolution 502. Argentine itself frequently breaks UN resolutions and ICJ judgements , so has NO right to criticise the UK.
3. The citizens of the Falklands have this right by birth.
4. Ban Ki Moon accepts the universal right to self-determination and has said the UK is not in breach of any resolution
Pete: They are british citizens and we deal with the british government as requested by the UNGA and Decolonization Committe. Those resolutions says that the UK and Argentina are the ones who have to negotiate sovereignty in order to end this colonial dispute. Of course the interests of the population must be taken into account, which doesnt mean they have to negotiate as a third party. At all. And interests does not mean its wishes. Our government and our constitution specially recognize that we will respect islanders wishes.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Participating in a sovereignty dispute as a third party means there is a sovereignty dispute involving three nations. If you think for a moment the islands are a nation you should complaint to the UNGA and Decolonization Committe and ask them to be delisted from the colony list and ask them too, to be recognized as a nation or a separate nation integrated to the United Kingdom Becouse obviously they dont think so.
The Malvinas islands are still listed as a non self-governing territorie by the UN, where this same body recognize the uk as the administering power of that colony. Where all information related to the islands are not requested to the illegal government of the islands but to the administering power of that colony.
You can find out in the UN webpage all the Uk's reports on the situation of the islands to the Decolonization Committe.
About the population, if you read their “census” you will find out that according to the 2001 “Falklands” census, of the total 2.971 inhabitants, 48% were born in Great Britain or Commonwealth members and only 45% is originate from the Islands. The remaining 7% was born in third countries. That without taking into account the 1500 soldiers born in britain and like 700 more born in britain that are workers of the military base. It doesnt sound very natural that population located here in south america.
And besides population, the judges are born in britain too, as most of teachers, engineers, etc.
True to form at least they're consistent. Argentina never accepted the right to self determination for the indigenous people of Patagonia. They dispossessed , enslaved and slaughtered the original inhabitants of that stolen land.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The last word in the first paragraph i wrote in my previous comment is not wishes but interests as expressed in our constitution, that says we will recover the islands by diplomacy respecting international law and the interests of the islanders.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The indigenous people of Patagonia had no nation, no frontiers recognized internationally and were considered savages back then. Instead in the Malvinas case, Argentina was recognized by the Uk in 1825. We were a sovereign nation when the british invasion of 1833 happened.
@183 Liberato
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You were not a sovereign nation in 1833 when Britain kicked an illegal military penal colony off our territory - territory we claimed since 1690.
In 1833 Argentina did not exist. What existed where the United Provinces of the River Plate. These provinces consisted of the territories that would one day become Argentina and Uruguay. And since most of the administration for the UP was done in Montevideo, it actually gives Uruguay a better claim to the Falkland Islands that it does Argentina.
The Republic of Argentina was ratified in 1853. Prior to this there was a lot of infighting between the United Provinces causing them to disunite into Uruguay and the areas surrounding Buenos Aires.
As for the indigenous people of Patagonia you say they had no nation. What right to you have to say whether they were a nation or not? This is typical NAZI thinking. They're not a nation, so they have no rights, they're not people, so they have no rights. They're just savages, so its okay to murder them and steal their land.
By the way, when HMS Clio turned up in 1833, they found that the UP garrison had mutinied, murdered their commanding officer, raped his wife, and were running riot over the Islands, endangering the colonists. Does that sound like civilised behaviour? Or maybe you do consider that civilised in Argentina.
This is exactly the same attitude you and your government are showing to the Falkland Islanders.
Yet the Falkland Islands community dates back to the mid-1820's. It has developed separately from South American and from the UK. They have their own way of life, culture and government.
I would also like to mention the census you mention. So what? The last Argentine census showed that only 500,000 or so of Argentinians had native Amerindian backgrounds. The other 43,500,000 of you are ALL from somewhere else.
Now since there NEVER where any indigenous people on the Falklands, the indigenous people are the ones who live there now.
@177 Liberato
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really show a touching faith in a UN which has done very little in your favour. In fact, in 50 years of whinging, all you have managed to obtain is the recognition that a sovereignity dispute exists, and a recommendation that the dispute be resolved peacefully. (which, of course, you breached in 1982).
Whenever you have tried to get anything more substantive, such as UN sponsored negotiations specifically about sovereignity, or limitations to the principle of self-determination, you have failed miserably, and the only support you have been able to muster has been a coalition of cronies, crooks, nutters and assholes not big enough to carry for the day for you.
Yet now you would have us believe that the UN has abandoned its fundamental founding principle in your favour, on the grounds that it hasn't said it hasn't.
Right.
Oh yeah, and when the Secretary General has stated precisely the opposite.
What was that about blind propaganda eaters again?
Liberato calls the natives of Patagonia “savages”. I rarely read such disgusting and outdated comments such as these when referring to indigenous peoples.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liberato you need to look up the difference between NATION and NATION STATE as your ignorance is clearly showing.
The Falklands are a NATION and one day they will decide to be a NATION STATE.
It doesn't really matter what Argentina wants or thinks.
Meanwhile Argentina will never accept the right to self determination of the Islander. That is a fact...
Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing that Rgentina IS accepting is the fact that the Falklands is:
Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 01-IS self governed
2-IS supported by the UK
3-IS not aligned with Rgentina because of the Great Cunt of Buenos Aires (GCOBA)
4-Will probably never deal with Rgentina as long as the nazi peronists are plundering Rgentina.
One by one, the world is growing tired of Rgentina's renegade actions and tactics.
That....is a fact.
Considering the unimportance of Argentina that is not really a problem.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please support this page - Falklands Forever British - dedicated to Falkland Islands current affairs, keeping the islands free and poking fun at the lunacy of the Argentine government and their various claims and winding up their Internet trolls - https://www.facebook.com/truthfk
Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0183 Liberato (#)
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:27 am
“...The indigenous people of Patagonia... were considered savages back then...”
Not true, racista de mierda, the Mapuche Nation existed, and was recognized by the Chileans as Auracanía, it was also recognized by the genocide Julio Argentino Roca, before enslaving the majority of the Mapuches and slaughtering the rest!!!!!!!
Have I missed something.... Its not 1st April is it.??
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This man's programming must have short circuited
However, 10 out of 10 for persistantly spouting nonesense
BUT
Zero out of ten for failing to face up to reality.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is straight forward about self-determination for the 16 territories on the C24 list:
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are “16 Non-Self-Governing Territories remain on the UN list.”
“ It is essential for the people concerned to understand the options regarding their political status and to be able to exercise their right to freely choose their future.”
www.un.org/sg/statements/?nid=4547
@Simon68
Feb 07th, 2013 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Charles Darwin was the first to call Aborigines Mapuches, Patagons, etc.
“Those salvages forgotten by god”
And in fact he thought that the aborigines where so salvages and ignorant that they were not even able to communicate by a talking language just sounds. Of course the idiot didn't know that the Patagones for example have more words in their language that the English. ha ha
So is funny that you call Liberato Racist and partner with the ignorant English.
Idiot who?
LEPRecon, i cant believe i have to discuss the history of my own nation with an ignorant foreigner. Amazing.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0//You were not a sovereign nation in 1833 when Britain kicked an illegal military penal colony off our territory - territory we claimed since 1690.///
Totally wrong. According to your own textbooks The islands were never claimed by the brits in 1690. That’s simple a lie or you are too bad with history. Even to the british position on the events.
British timeline with their views on the events:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/1500to1982Overview.cfm
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/1500to1982Overview.cfm
Argentina used several names, but there was not a new nation nor a nation uniting the República Oriental del Uruguay And Argentina Republic. There was one nation united by several provinces, including the oriental province (Uruguay). Many provinces that formed part of the united provinces got independence from it. The provinces that kept in the union, the 13 provinces left, often used different names for example the United Provinces of the River Plate, Argentine confederation etc. Those name were all valid to refer to our nation. The United Provinces of The River Plate is as legal now as back then to refer to our nation and that name never left being legally ours.
In 1833 we were still the same nation the british recognized a few years before with the treaty of amity, commerce and navigation without making any protest of the islands being in control of Argentina (or the United Provinces as we were known).
//The Republic of Argentina was ratified in 1853. Prior to this there was a lot of infighting between the United Provinces causing them to disunite into Uruguay and the areas surrounding Buenos Aires.//
The republic of Argentina is officially independent in 1816 and your own government recognize this in its webpage:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/history/1500to1982Overview.cfm
Read more,,
#65 xavierv
Feb 07th, 2013 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't give a shit about the Muslims or the British Empire, I care about the Falkleners. Having a bit of compassion for mankind I don't want for these people to suffer what the Argentines have to go through: 25% inflation(ruthless),corrupt gov. officials, corrupt politicians, corrupt Vice President, high criminal rate, clamp on the independent media, Peronists all over the place, and now Camporists. Fellow, these problems you only find them in Argentina for the past fifty years. They have become a way of life. Argentines should be called “Universal Soldier” they are ready to take anything.
This is not about economy, and we are not talking about Europe. We are talking about islands located in South America that belongs to south americans.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your government hate communism and returned Hong Kong to China becouse it was a chinese territorie. As simple as that.
You british will never learn. And your government will some day have to answear where all the oil of Iraq went. Where are the weapons of mass destruction that made you invade them and ruin millions of lives. Some day the Uk will have to answear about Lybia and its natural resources. The same with the Malvinas and Diego Garcia islanders. The same with the concentration camps for islamists. Etc.
@Liberato
Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t waste amo with these stupid ignorant, they know very well that what are they saying is a lie because is the same for UK.
UK had in it history several names until in 1801 when they proclaimed the annexation of NI.
The Union was repealed by the Irish parliament later and they were fully recognised in 1983 as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Lets say the U “KGB” I, so according with their own fantasy sense of history U KGB would never could claim anything because they didn’t exist.
@197 Liberator
Feb 07th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0> Your government hate communism and returned Hong Kong to China becouse it was a chinese territorie. As simple as that.
Exactly. And the Falklands were never Argentine territory. Which is why there is no question of returning them to you. Ever.
194
Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your quote:-
“Of course the idiot didn't know that the Patagones for example have more words in their language that the English. ha ha ”
You know how I hate to disagree with you Dany but how did you arrive at this conclusion ?
The Oxford English dictionary reckons that there are about 750,000 words in the English language.
For a primitive tribal community in Patagonia, it stretches belief to take your comment as gospel.
Would you mind quoting your source for this as I have an interest in linguistics and would like to know more about this highly developed society.
195 Liberato
Feb 07th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0198 DanyBerger
!Liberato and DanyBerger excellent response!
Leprecon, I can not believe I have to talk about the history of my own nation with an ignorant foreigner. Amazing.
Liberato:
It's amazing the ignorance that have World History and American History especially with some forumers English. (Leprecon, Alexei, HansNiesund, Anglotino, simon68, dixie rebel Redrow).
The funny thing is that Argentina intended to teach history. It's really funny and pathetic.
They forget that Britain in 500 years of history genocide committed in the five continents of the world long before Nazi Germany with their policies of colonialism, imperialism and racism and want to continue it in the 21st century.
Also ignore the decolonization committee. He considers colonies.
UNITED NATIONS THAT say about it.
“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ............. described the announcement of a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands as a” political stunt “, insisting that the islanders can not appeal to the right to self-determination according to them, because in the Malvinas case ”is not a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ”.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
The UN recognizes the difference and why Argentina side made 40 resolutions supporting their bargaining position between 2 parts. Argentina and the United Kingdom. No third party.
Having Equador in Chair of the decolonization committee is like Hitler safegaurding jews or Kadaffi in charge of the UN committee on Human Rights.......a fucking joke.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Rgentina thinks the Falklands are theirs....take it of shut the fuck up. The feces running down the Rgentines leg is starting to stink..........what a bunch of crying pussies. Stand up if you don't like being bent over all the time.
Raul the Chairman of the C24 said no such thing in his official capacity. I've proven this wrong before but you insist on lying.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do people like you need to lie so much? You claim I am ignorant but you keep advertising your own ignorance every day.
You shame your country!
@Clyde15
Feb 07th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English doesn’t have 750.000 words that is the more stupid thing I have ever heard.
According with Oxford publications and own papers modern English language has only 171,476 from what 50.000 are obsolete and half of this are nouns and also are counted repetitive entries like House and Houses.
English hardly use 25.000 words in their vocabulary and this was in the past when they were more educated.
Now may be 1000 with the predominant F@ck.
You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that...
And BTW this was not my conclusion else was a scholar conclusion from UK that I have read when I was in England. Like I read studies from professor Stephen Oppenheimer who through scientist methods like taking samples of DNA he arrives to the conclusion that Britons came from Spain.
So you are more Hispanics than the whole Latam
What does being British mean? Ask the Spanish
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3348004/What-does-being-British-mean-Ask-the-Spanish.html
I’m not expert in Aborigine languages and I don’t have a clue about it but you can start with these Aónikenk, Penken, Téwesh, Guenaken, Ona, etc.
Source for your consultation “Los Shelknam”, “Martín Gusinde” (Germany), Lehmann Nitsche (Germany).
Have a lot of fun.
#204
Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would have thought that the most stupid thing you have ever heard was that the Falklands belonged to Argentina.
However, back to the above, I stretched a point but here is what the Oxford Dictionary on line says:-
“This suggests that there are, at the very least, a quarter of a million distinct English words, excluding inflections, and words from technical and regional vocabulary not covered by the OED, or words not yet added to the published dictionary, of which perhaps 20 per cent are no longer in current use. If distinct senses were counted, the total would probably approach three quarters of a million.”
“Of course the idiot didn't know that the Patagones for example have more words in their language that the English. ha ha ”
Where is your proof of this or have you plucked it out of the ether? I looked at some of your references but this did not help. It only talked about the Selknam genocide - which never took place according to some of your fellow posters
Your genetic line for Briton has been known about for years, however, I don't think the Basques would take kindly to being called Hispanics.
Other research has shown that the N. of Scotland has a Fenno-Scandinavian background dating back before Britain was an island. Even more up -to - date research on Scotland's DNA has shown inputs from the Berbers, Middle East and Central Asia over and above Scandinavia.
All this is academic as all our ancestors walked out of Africa about 190, 000 years ago.
Don't tell NOS. this-he thinks he was beamed down from space into Argentina with no antecedents anywhere.
Let's all have is very clear: If the Argentines get the Falklands, they will chase off all the Kelpers. They have made that quite clear.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Question: The population of Santa Cruz province, the nearest one to the Falklands is over 60% Chilean or first generation Argentine of Chilean extraction. If Argentines don't like to go to cold, windy Santa Cruz, why would, other than a small group, they go to the Falklands which are much more unpleasant and remote than Santa Cruz?
Another question: With the dishonesty andincompetence of the Argentine Government, the failing economy, high crime rate and high probabbility of the usual 10 year economic collapse, wouldn't it be a crime against humanity to put the Faqlklands under a Argentine government?
Little detail: The Falkland Islands GDP per capital is U$S 57.000, eighth in the world. Argentina's is U$S 17.000, 68th in the world.
@Clyde15
Feb 08th, 2013 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said in post #200 Clyde15
“The Oxford English dictionary reckons that there are about 750,000 words in the English language.”
Then in post #204 DanyBerger I said
“English doesn’t have 750.000 words that is the more stupid thing I have ever heard.”
Now you come with “a quarter of a million words” which are 250.000 words that could turn into 750.000 by approaching distinct sense?
Well that is crap because you would be counting for example language (one word) and languages (two words) or the word have, has, had, etc. as different words.
And why not You, Ya, U, you too, U2, etc.
You are confusing entries records with real unique words, if you can find a dictionary of English with 750.000 unique words on it I will give you a Million dollars.
Don’t worry you will get pay if I ‘m wrong, I will use the same 100 dollar bill counted 10 thousand times as you do with your words.
Now about Briton Genes pool.
Scottish, Welsh and Irish are relatives Celtics coming from Northern Spain, central Spain, Portugal and west France.
Have the same language and heritage in common like Gaelic languages, etc. Even the same instruments uses like the “Gaita” in Spain and “Bagpipes” in Scotland.
Gallegos paying “gaitas”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiRaKw-GIIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiRaKw-GIIA
Can you see now where you come from?
Please support this page honouring all those who helped liberate the Falklands in 1982 and dedicated to keeping the islands liberated and free of Argentine colonialism.
Feb 08th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/HonourRestored
203 Anglotino
Feb 08th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0President Raul to C24 said such a thing in his official capacity. I tried this bad before, but you insist on lying.
I do not lie. you are lying. The Decolonization Committee of the United Nations not lying. Check it out at this link:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ............. described the announcement of a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands as a” political stunt “, insisting that the islanders can not appeal to the right to self-determination according to them, because in the Malvinas case ”is not a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ”.
@209 The recolonisation committee is nearly as big a joke as your official statistics, and the chairman is an Argentine stooge that no one listens to.
Feb 08th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get over it.
201 Raul
Feb 08th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The chairman of the United Nations Decolonization ...”is not a principle of territorial integrity“ of Argentina, which is above other considerations and the UK is the ”occupying force“ since 1833 ”.
I think you have the correct legal analysis below. Not what an obviously biased political hack has to say. What the UK did in 1833 was perfectly legal under international law at that time.
ICJ judge, Dame Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: ”Attractive an aphorism though [self-determination] is, it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination” (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994)
The British jurist Rosalyn Higgins arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.80“ There was therefore little doubt that Britain acquired title to the Falklands by extinctive prescription. In other words, it was in this mode that the strength of the British claims resided.
80. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
The Falkland War : Britain versus the past...Daniel K, Gibran.
It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared
in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'
Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
209 Raul
Feb 09th, 2013 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't link to a newspaper article. I once read a newspaper article that said Chavez was dead.... does that make it true?
If it is an official policy or statement then it will be in a UN press release or statement or resolution.
So please show me where the UN makes these statements:
“a UK referendum on the Falkland Islands is a political stunt”
“the islanders cannot appeal to the right to self determination”
“the Malvinas case is a principle of territorial integrity of Argentina”
Territorial integrity in dealing with non self governing territories “is above other considerations”
“The UK is the occupying force since 1833”.
If any of the above are UN policy or belief then you will easily find these on UN websites. A country verbalising these beliefs AT the UN is different to the UN issuing a statement saying the same thing.
I am sure Pazmiño think his wife is the most beautiful woman in the world.... and he has probably said it. However that is not official UN policy either. It's called a personal opinion for a reason.
So jump onto www.un.org and please show me proof of your claims.
Otherwise stop making them. (Especially considering Terence’s above comment).
The continual repetition of lies is why Argentina's position becomes weaker and not stronger. That is why I think people like you do your country a disservice continually lying.
“Argentina will never accept the right to self determination for the people of Malvinas”
Feb 09th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0..................and there you have ladies and gentlemen!!!!
Proof that some fools really don't learn...........................
There are two issues being debated:
Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 01. the ending of British Colonial rule on the Falkland Islands by the decolinisation & self-determination of its population
2. Argentina's sovereignty dispute with Britain
After the foundation of the UN in October 1945, the UK listed the Falkland Islands as a Non-Self-Governing-Territory in accordance with UN Charter Chapter XI Article 73, because the population were a British colony subject to British colonial rule from the British metropole who were deprived & denied their own free political institutions & self-government. The purpose of the listing of the Falkland Islands as a Non-Self-Governing-Territory is to apply the Article 73 decolonization process to the population & to allow self-determination independent of the political interference of their Administering Country, the UK
In 1965, Argentina brought its dispute to the UN General Assembly under UN Charter Chapter VI Pacific Settlement of Disputes under Article 33
In 1965 UN General Assembly Resolution 2065 confirmed the General Assembly resolution 1514 of 1961 concerning the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries & Peoples covers the case of the Falkland Islands & invited Argentina & Britain to negotiate a peaceful solution which satisfies:
1. the provisions & objectives of the UN Charter
2. resolution 1514
3. the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands
Argentina's choice to terminate negotiates in March 1982 in favor of ending its dispute by use of force in April 1982 to annex the Falkland Islands & its dependencies by its armed attack & invasion. This Argentine act of war was a breach of its obligations under Article 33, to settle its dispute by pacific means. Britain invoked its right to self-defense under article 51 & recovered sovereignty by uti possidetis; to challenge the status quo post bellum Argentina must claim at the UN ICJ
Britain's obligation to the population of the Falkland Islands under Article 73 remains
Raul
Feb 10th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ban ki Moon said Britain was not violating any UN resolutions.
The Falklands have never been part of Argentine territory.
No usurption ever took place.
Read these 3 facts again and again.....good.
All Argentinian trolls. I agree with EVERYTHING you say, just to shut you up. ( little hope of that I expect)
Feb 11th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it is the FALKLANDERS that will have the final say on what they want. It is their choice to decide on THEIR FUTURE
Roll on 26 days then they decide.
Meanwhile in the real world Argentina will keep pushing an nothing will change.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina will never accept the right of SD”
I guess the title of the article is self explanatory...
They will never accept it, yet they can never change it either. The people of the Falklands, the name as recognized by the UN, are self governed, will be self governed and shall always remain that way. Again there is nothing that Rgenturdland can do to change that. It has never ben an issue of concern with the UN SINCE the '65' resolution.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0DanyBerger (#)
Feb 12th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feb 12th, 2013 - 05:40 am
“Argentina will never accept the right of SD”
Argentina doesn't deserve the right to SD. In any event you'd be better off being ruled by Brazil....or Chile even.
Still Argentina will never accept that because is illegal and has none implications to her claim over the territory.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So more free stunt for the masses like a Romanus Circus.
If it is illegal take it to the ICJ or shut your sperm hole.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@dany
Feb 12th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Still Argentina will never accept that because is illegal and has none implications to her claim over the territory.
So more free stunt for the masses like a Romanus Circus.”
How is it “illegal”?? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Any links??
No?? I thought so.
Do you even know what the “bread and circuses” analogy refers to??
Please explain - if you can!! :-D
Troy.....in Rgentina they use a phrase.....champagne and futbol, meaning the samething.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@223
Feb 12th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Poppy
LOL, I myself, understand the phrase, fully.
However, Dung Beetle seems to be implying that the Falklanders are holding the Referendum to distract the people from their 'troubles' or bad government, erosion of freedom etc.
In fact, things could not be further from the truth. The Islanders are poised for great economic development and wealth. After the Referendum, their autonomy and self-determination will be confirmed. Such recognition will put their enemies, Argentina and Peronists, further at bay and inspire even more confidence in investors.
Therefore, Dany's analogy does not fit and he is in error.
He is merely attempting glib scare-mongering and obfuscation of the real situation.
Dany, can you explain your comments clearly, please???
Waiting.
He is somewhat a straightshot idiot. I think he is a troll that is not even in rgentina. He is a replacement troll who's predecessor was far more effective.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@225 Poppy
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A replacement Troll??
Is CFK having such problems with the Unions ???
Would this be mgmt “scab” Troll ???
LOL
@ Troy Tempest
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know idiot...
That means the same as “Panem et circenses” or “panis et circenses” when governments want to hide the real issues that concern the population with cheap stunt like the type UK, “Dick socks” & CO are doing right now.
“stunt for the masses like a Romanus Circus” is the same just anaesthesia for the uneducated masses like you mate.
“Illegal” means “illegal” you are carrying out a referendum over Argentina soil and that is illegal none authorised you to do that.
“After the Referendum, their autonomy and self-determination will be confirmed. Such recognition will put their enemies, Argentina and Peronists, further at bay and inspire even more confidence in investors.”
This is another lie like if I made a referendum in London asking if they want to be part of Pakistan or Nigeria.
Just cheap stunt to entertain the masses and to avoid to face reality.
So grow up boys.
@ Crap tain Poop Y
Oh! Poor you instead to be concerned about the problems in US that really has a lot, you are avoiding reality by putting your nose where none had called you.
Lol dumburger you still forget my reasons and why I am concerned for rgentina. Too bad....ask the troll you replaced.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know you have married and Argentinean girl and she resulted to be very expensive and not even enough with that you have to maintain your father in law, your mother in law, her brothers, their sons, etc.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And their are complaining all the time that the money you send to them is not enough and that their economic situation is bad and your poor dollars are not what used to be so you have to take another job.
Sad, very sad I really wouldn’t like to be in your situation.
Have you tried to convince them to work?
Actually, DanyII , he was not complaining about THEM, he was concerned for them be us their country is fukked.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And their are complaining all the time that the money you send to them is not enough and that their economic situation is bad and your poor dollars are not what used to be so you have to take another job.”
I'm sure his “poor dollars” but many more pesos than they used to, a year ago.
In another year, they'll buy at least 10 Argie Pesos per USD$$!
Power outage again???
Asswipe.....the inlaws are phsycians, lawyers and business managers. They people that TMBOA like to take for haircuts and pillage their earnings. Work....what would you know about work?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now......rgentina WILL accept reality....does accept reality. They just like to whine about the Falklands being a free state that chooses not to affiliate with rgentina. Deal with WHAT IS......not WHAT YOU DREAM AND WHINE ABOUT. Have some cheese
PS
if my dollars are not what they use to by, what does that say about your peso?
@Troy Tempest
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let see if I understood you are also married with Mr. Crap tain PooP Y wife?
How much is your share in the family maintenance?
Why you don’t take the whole family with you so we can save all this soap opera?
Anyway a dollar of $10 makes manufactured good cheaper to be exported so who cares?
Look China slowly, slowly with a cheap Yuan had become the biggest world trader...
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