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MPs call on Timerman “to listen to the people who live in the Falklands”
After a first day of mixed results, Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman Malvinas lobbying in London is looking ahead to a more friendly, less combative two-day scenario at the Argentine embassy with the ‘Pro-dialogue’ group where he plans to promote Argentina’s Malvinas sovereignty claims that reject point blank any dialogue or the right to self determination for the people of the Falklands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHague commented over Timmerman visit:
Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmevJzXALpk
Good job Timerman!
Argentina's claim is not supported by the (non-binding) resolutions, they just call for dialogue. Hague only refuses to meet Bi-laterally on the Falklands subject, everything else is up for discussion bi-laterally as Hague has constantly stated. Timerman is a constant shameless liar.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic, but about what can be expected.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder who will be part of the League of Appeasers they have scraped together for today's whining session.
Herr Gott is now an historian !!!!!!
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And this is all reported by “Argentine official news agency Telam” !!!
Gott and Betts hahahaha mere puppets :-)
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 yes, after a day with the grownups, the little fascist will have two “less combative” days of mutual validation by the useless and bitter before going back to his little bubble. And all of them will pay up for their free lunch by saying that the opinion of the 21st century Czechs means nothing against the inheritors of the Reich. Until March, that is, when their universal right to self-determination is exercised by the free and ignored by the scum of the earth.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, what a bunch of non-entities the Argentines have gathered together.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not one European leader. Not one person who actually has any clout.
Well done Mr Timerman. You spend the next 2 days being told what you want to hear by your own sichophants, and then you can return to Argentina hailing it as a triumph...
...Meanwhile, in the sane world, the UN, EU and Commonwealth will all respect and acknowledge the Falkland Islanders right to self-determination.
Fascinating article on Malvinista manipulation of the education system. I wonder will this be on the agenda for today?
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/las-malvinas-son-argentinas-who-taught-you-that/
I think that William Hague should accept the invitation to go to Buenos Aires with the caveat that the matter of the Falkland/Malvinas should not be discussed.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman - go home! Your behaviour here as been execrable!
Argentine and British government agree on the same outcome. Ah, no fibs again.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Invited to talk in Argentina with no conditions, bilateral, no rights for the islanders. Ah no, fibs again.
Was a he even at the same meeting?
Gott and Betts hahahaha mere puppets :-)
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0lorton: LIAR to the core! lorton=lordGAGA!
uk is FINISHED down with the pirates brtis!
11- yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Reichs circus is in town, herr Timmerman and his gang of handpicked lackies.... love it jajajajaja the intellectual world looks on and laughs at the pathetic rambling of a third world nation that is Argentina.
Malvi boy
Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shouldn't hang around for the end. You are going to have a long, long, long wait. Still if it helps you cope with your disappointments and obvious envy, keep prattling on!
Marcos.
What's with the posting of the Argentine Army mascots. Thought we returned all 14000 of them home to you in 82.
Your home in Argentina, not here in the UK!
If Timerman attended this meeting looking for potential allies in the opposition parties he was really wasting his breath.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad to see that my MP Mr Derek Twigg (Lab) gave him short shrift, and told him straight, that the rights and wishes of the Falklanders are paramount, and only they can decide their own future. No negotiation of the fundamental human right to self-determination as laid down in the UN Charter.
Mr Timerman, you have lied so much and so often in the last few days, that no one would believe you if you said water was wet.
Go back home to your Nazi mistress, and grovel before her. You have made a right pigs ear out of this.
Oh, and I also think Mossad will be keeping tabs on you, with you being a traitor to Israel and all.
You really put the icing on the cake with the Israeli settlement crack, and the Israeli government aren't going to forgive you for that.
Lep
Feb 06th, 2013 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Climbing into bed with Iran and their Hezbollah affiliates, is not going to go down that well either. Suprising developement given the support they have recieved from Israel in the past.
I suspect, that they value the money they expect to earn from shady dealings with Iran, more than they value Israeli Int and hardware.
@15 - RC
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0True. You are right, all the Argentinian government can see is the chance to get their hands on oil, and trade their every dwindling supply of food for it. It won't be long before the people of Argentina are rationed so the Argentine government can pay for the oil they need.
However, it's a bad move, as most countries may stop importing goods to Argentina in case they pass them onto their good buddies the Iranians. Since Iran is under UN sanctions, governments are very wary of trading with anyone with links to them.
However, I suspect that Argentina has been put on Israel's 'list' of undesirable countries.
This could be another reason Israel is getting closer to countries like Brazil. Brazil who is the real power in South America along with Chile. Argentina is a 'has been' country. No that's wrong. Argentina is a 'never was' country. So Israel will form a close relationship and trading partnerships with the likes of Brazil, and the Argentine government has managed to successfully cut themselves off from the International Community even more.
The next step will be CFK visiting Kim Jong-Un in North Korea next, and supporting his claim to all of South Korea, while he mouths his support for Argentina's 'Malvinas' cause.
It's just a matter of time...:D
Federico Lorenz ,Richard Gott,Marcelo Kohen ,Alejandro Betts, Mr Gott ( 2nd coming) , Alexis Litvine ... the tea lady.... I wonder who the other 11 are?
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hague should go to Argentina and talk about trade and a number of other issues. He should also state that, if discussing the Falklands, he would expect that the islanders would be represented. The Argentinean foreign ministry can then impose the condition that talk can only take place if the islanders are not present thus imposing a condition. Tit for tat.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, it should be noted that the foreign office missive we sent out said we would be happy to talk about everything else bilaterally but if discussing this which impacted on the Falklands then they should be present. As such, Timerman had the opportunity to discuss other points of importance.
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Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could not agree more. He has raised the matter before the UK public who now think, “what a jumped up shower of prats who really need sorting out ”
Britain should thank Tinman and his motly entourage for providing the best part of a weeks entertainment in the West End. I hear that Cameron MacIntosh is very interested in making it into a show.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Walnut brain Timerman has given everyone in how to loose friends and alienate people. Gott and the rest of his syncophants are a laughing stock of nonenities. There is not one person of any significance attending Tinmans whingefest that is in any way recognisable or influential.
Argentina is a washed up nation approaching the status of an international pariah. It has lied cheated and stolen from Italy and Spain once its closest skies. Rampant inflation, socialist mismanagement abound as it aligns itself with Chavez Castro and Iran, the axis of evil. Within 20 months Tinman and KFC will be history.
The Falkland Islands have a bright future under the protection of the UK and all right thinking people who believe in freedom around the world support the notion of a proud island people choosing their destiny as will be demonstrated in the forthcoming referendum.
We look forward to this odious little fool scuttling off back to his chaotic dump of a country as soon as possible.
WW
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure that would be a good idea, given the current atmosphere in Argentina with the Referenda on the islands.
For one, I am not sure that he would be afforded the same degree of respect from Argentine politicians, that Timmerman received here. Then again, there is the prospect of Campora staged demonstrations and stunts, which I would absolutely expect to occur.
If there were to be such a meeting, it would better to hold it at a neutral venue, with the same conditions. Falkland Islands participation, though it would seem to be a pointless excercise, given the predictable outcome.
@17 Frank (#)
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:24 am
Good point. So is this lot the headline act? George Galloway has to be there doesn't he? I will be disappointed if he isn't.
“”“”“”“””“They have to stop with this ‘malvinismo educativo’ (‘educational malvinism’),” comments Vicente Palermo. “Government should promote a sober education: this instilling children with clichés about the ‘Malvinas cause’ seems toxic to me. And it is still in school nowadays.”“”“”“”“”
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey MARCOS - Where is Timmerman at Press Interviews? he refused them- what a shame as the Ilsabds Elkected Councillors turned up and have been beseiged by South American press for interviews and TV shows - they are flat out at it - and showin to S America the letter Timmerman refused to accept as he is so scared of us.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree - well done Timmerman - you are a great asset to the Islands and are helping our case!!
Gosh, this is funny. Having the usual set of imbeciles turning up to have a round table chat and then make yet another statement along the same lines is hilariously derivative.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this whole thing is fantastic, we should invite him back for more fun and fascism.
I feel greasy just looking at this bunch.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im-_aqyZZpE&feature=youtu.be
“Nevertheless Mr Hague has also been invited to visit Argentina where he will be able to appreciate democracy, respect for human rights and for the diversity of opinions” Unless of course you belong to a country we want to colonize then these rights don't apply to you because we say so.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“to hold meetings with me and with any group he wishes because when a Foreign minister visits Argentina we don’t impose conditions”. Except when we have written into our constitution that the only outcome of talks is complete ownership of the Islands
@26
Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just watched it, the mans off his fucking head, loved this bit.
“The british empire has, thank god been defeated world wide and is not what it was in the 19c.!”
How the hell to talk to a complete prick with an attitude like that, he thinks he's living in the 19c.
Forget talking to them, talk with their shrinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@11 What's Betts going to do then? Read out that “diary” he made up last month? Last time I listened to his drivel, it sounded remarkably 20th century.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor argies. Deluded and delusional. Daren't listen to anything that might not fit their delusion. How about the next time Tinpotman wants a “one-to-one” meeting, the Islanders sit in the next room watching and listening through the one-way glass? Then, at the appropriate moment, they can appear and stand in the doorway so he can't get out!
Just for Mr Timmerman.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4
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The foreign secretary said he welcomed the results of the islanders' referendum on sovereignty in March.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He earlier met Jan Cheek and Dick Sawle, of the islands' legislative assembly, at the Foreign Office.
He added it was a “shame” Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman had declined to attend that meeting.
'Settlers'
Mrs Cheek and Mr Sawle said they were “disappointed but hardly surprised” at his absence.
“Mr Timerman dismisses us as 'settlers'. Well, we are settlers. Like countries across the continent of the Americas, we came into existence through waves of settlement from Europe and elsewhere,” said Mrs Cheek.
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We want good, neighbourly, relations with Argentina, we are willing to talk with them and we cannot be ignored”
Jan Cheek
Falkland Islands' Legislative Assembly
“Indeed, we Falkland Islanders settled in our home long before many parts of Argentina were settled by the Argentines,” she continued.
“Mr Timerman knows full well that it is simply untrue to say that we have fewer political rights than anyone else, or that the United Nations has said that self-determination does not apply to the Falklands, or that UN resolutions preclude Argentina from sitting down with us.
”Repeating these misrepresentations doesn't make them any truer, however inconvenient for Argentina.“
Buenos Aires was ”deeply worried about our referendum“, she said, ”which is why they spend so much time dismissing it“.
”Talk of the Falklands being Argentine in 20 years makes for good headlines - but smacks of desperation.
“We are a thriving community, with a growing international voice. We want good, neighbourly, relations with Argentina, we are willing to talk with them and we cannot be ignored. Self-determination is a universal right.”
You are also by far, better diplomats than they will ever be!
Feb 06th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The simple, but sad, truth is that practically nobody in Argentina appears to have the balls to acknowledge the Falkland Islanders to even talk with them.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the short-term this will play out well with Argentine homeland consumption, but in the long term it will prove a disaster when the UN finally gets around to kciking the C24 into touch or de-listing the BOTs...
of course the incumbent Argentine Government is on its way out anyway, so it clearly doesnt care much about the “Long term”, instead it appears to want to go out on a high of piling as many abusive lies as possible against the Islanders and the UK.
They see that they have little time left and are clearly out to “enjoy it while they can”.
What this does for the Argentine people in the long term is, perhaps, the saddest part of this all.
As usual his statements are far more for internal consumption than any external effect.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He clearly came with absolutely nothing constructive to say on the subject. And probably never even expected to persuade anybody of anything.
But it all looks good back home, looks like he’s doing something, even if nobody knows what.
The reality is that the negotiation he claims Argentina want so much, are even further away now, than they were before he came.
And it was no chance before he got here.
His comments increasingly remind me of Comical Ali in the last days of Saddam in Bagdad. He claimed they were winning with the world behind them.
They are trying to brow beat us into submission,
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To pressure us into talking,
Then what next,
Just give the islands away,
We should tell them,
Enough is enough,
No talks until you bloody well grow up and respect other people right,
So Soddy offy.
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Timerman's statements are a good example of the kind of agressive nonsense Uruguay has been getting from Argentine governments since Perón's time.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it is difficult to believe some people are really that rude and arrogant, until you witness it for yourself. They have often been described on here as being just that. Well now we know it's true and man, oh man, how it's true.
Feb 06th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are rude, impolite, nasty, arrogant, liars,
Feb 06th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deceitful, anti British, anti democracy , anti civilised ,
Abusive , intolerant , inflexible , con merchants , thieves , braggarts ,
And who are these heathens we are talking abt,
Why the Argentine government, any objections.
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The whole trip is nothing but a cheap propaganda exercise for Argentinian internal consumption. About the only good that will come of it is that a bunch of MPs will have seen, first hand, Argentinian arrogance and unpleasantness.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman did not fall into the trap set by the UK.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman was right. British citizens on the islands are represented in London. They planted a colony. There are a nation. No English fell into the trap. The committee supports UN decolonization to Argentina. Timerman met with international law to comply with UN resolutions.
See the following link:
All Argentine and Latin American and the rest of the English-speaking world are proud as our President Cristina Fernandez Kirchner and Foreign Minister Hector Timerman defend our rights over the Malvinas Argentinos against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century.
They support this claim such important bodies as the UN Assembly Resolution 2065, the decolonization committee UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR and MERCOSUR and several Nobel Peace Prizes as Adolfo Perez Esquivel, Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, the Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu Tum, the Desmond Tutu, Jody Williams of the U.S., and Iranian Shirin Ebadi
Read the following link.
“Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty”
http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=630397.
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Feb 07th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All Argentine and Latin American and the rest of the English-speaking world are proud as our President Cristina Fernandez Kirchner and Foreign Minister Hector Timerman defend our rights over the Malvinas Argentinos against colonialism, racism and imperialism of the 21st century.”
What does this mean? Its completely incomprehensible!
You're clutching at straws Raul. Have a referendum in Argentina.
Feb 07th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q) Do you want the Government to continue to lobby the world ( ref the FALKLANDS ) or do you want the Government to address the financial crisis that Argentina finds itself in. You have serious financial problems to address. The UK atleast is addressing or financial problems.
if the world backed your queen,
Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then we presume argentina and her newly elected world queen will be in charge by friday then.
you argies live in a dream world,
Looking at the number of Nobel prizewinners since 2004, there have been approx 100. That means that 94% of the prizewinners have NOT called for negotiations .
Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To quote from ambito.com:-
”Failure on the part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the United Nations resolutions, unwillingness to dialogue with a country (Argentina) democratic and fully demonstrated commitment to peace, and the installation and maintenance of a military base on the continent (Falkland Islands), constant reinforcement and military maneuvers aero-naval, put seriously threatening peace and harmony of this part of the world, “argued the pacifist leaders requested, ”
It looks as if they have prejudged the issue already and blithely ignore the facts that the door is open but Argentina will not come in for talks and also fail to note that Argentina will accept nothing but sovereignty from these talks.
Timerman has said as much, even more forcibly in his grand tour of London.
If the British allow themselves to be brow beaten into submission, all for the sake of appeasement and peace,
Feb 07th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then all is lost,
I don’t trust politicians,, never have , and never will,
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