MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Cruise industry warns South America: itinerary costs are three times higher than in the Mediterranean
Representatives from the cruise industry have cautioned Uruguay that port operational costs in South America could have a negative impact on what has been a steady increase of business in the last few seasons and this impact could be felt as soon as next year despite the fact that the 2012/2013 season on the Atlantic is proving to be quite successful despite an uncertain start. “Itineraries’ costs in South America are three times those of the Mediterranean”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOf course too costly, but that's because Europeans have completely collapsed in standard of living. They can't even afford apples and pears! Germany in recession, UK in triple dip, Italy in stagsession, Spain in depression, France in austerity... no wonder Argentina is too rich for them.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@01 Arifu
Feb 18th, 2013 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course too costly, but that's because Europeans have completely collapsed in standard of living.”
You're very quick to blame an EU “apocalypse” for these needs to reduce port fees.
It is not the European clientele that MSC is focusing on, at all. They target Brazil for sales.
“MSC, one of the main operators in South America with South American clients”
Obviously, from what they have said, cruise sales to South Americans have been affected already by high port fees. Passengers are up, but earnings are down for the Cruise Lines.
Passing on the high port costs to clients will make it less affordable to South Americans and affect sales.
Chile, unlike Argentina and Brazil has reduced theirs to allow the companies a better margin.
MSC is asking Uruguay to reduce their fees too, but makes a point of saying that they are not the main culprit.
Buenos Aires IS singled out and MSC makes it clear in this article that fuel costs are not higher, just other port services.
Charging 3x what Mediterranean ports charge has got to be price-gouging, even with Europe in recession.
MSC has been very candid. It will move its assets where it is more profitable to operate, and if they have to, their new commitments will not allow them to return any time soon.
Argentina has already driven away much of the premium European and North American traffic with their intimidation tactics.
Are they now going to price themselves out of the industry, altogether??
@1
Feb 18th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually we didn't hit a triple dip and actually for now we still have a triple A credit rating. I have my bottle of champagne ready for the collapse of your pathetic economy, won't be long now, tick-tock, tick-tock!
You wonder what planet the Rgs are on? They just post nonsense designed to wind people up. Obviously have never travelled and seen anywhere else for themselves and live in a propaganda world created by their leaders that bears no relation to reality.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0They ought to get put more... You feel you ought to feel sorry for them, but you can't
@1 This article is talking about cruise lines catering for South American clients.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0#1
Feb 18th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, living in Europe you would know that !
Of course cruises in S.A, are more expensive for Europeans. They have to travel 5000 miles to get on a boat plus take 3 more days vacation to cover this time. Cruising the Med. is a better option for those who want to enjoy a sail and enjoy the onboard facilities. Distances between ports are not far and historical and cultural sites are better than S.A.
@1 You can't make statements like that without having traveled to a place first. The internet and film aren't the best ways to learn about foreign cultures. See things for yourself before you make pass judgement.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Third hand information varies in reliability. Some people are careful to use first hand information and cite sources, while the rest cling to second hand information or are completely full of crap like TELAM.
Toby, The EU declined to purchase RG apples and pears. They obviously found a better/cheaper supplier. I can guarantee that every grocery store in the EU has apples and pears on their shelves right now for sale.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you weren't old enough to remember the 90s but this is just history repeating itself for your country. The high inflation makes your exports too expensive so the sales drop, You are seeing it in every export.
I have been waiting for farmers to chime in, selling products for U$ and getting 50% of the value back in Pesos isn't going to cut it.
But oh my this will be fun to watch!
@8
Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its happening already
http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/El-campo-amenaza-con-no-vender-soja-y-el-Gobierno-reflota-idea-de-Junta-Nacional-de-Granos-20130218-0052.html
9. Oh I know.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the farmers can hold out through winter and deny CFK the tax revenue the will not be enough U$ to buy fuel.
4 months of no U$ flow should be enough time to make the gov't fall.
I am sure they know this.
The gov't is scared, they are cornered watch for them to start growling and biting
You'll hear,
THE SOY IS THE PEOPLE'S of ARGENTINA
THE RICH FARMERS ARE MAKING THE PEOPLE FREEZE
THE GREEDY FARMERS ARE KILLING OTHER BUSINESSES
THE OLIGARCHS ARE PLANNING A COUP
on and on
watch for the signs and graffiti in BA
it is all about to start
Good timing with the other unions planning on national strikes at the same time
Looks to me like the peasants are revolting
shouldn't be long now
This guy seems to be confused. If his customer base is LatAm why is he bothered about Med Cruises being cheaper due to port charges.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can you possibly compare cruising in a puddle with Europeans to the opportunities in SA?
The real point is of course the stupidity of AR. They are at the end of a long leg and ships may not bother expending fuel oil for the risk of state sanctioned threats and possible injury to their customers in AR ports.
Cruise operators have been complaining about the costs of calling to Punta and MVD for some time now and I would much rather the subsidies which Pepe and his wife introduced SOLELY for the argies (I am sure all Uruguayos recall her bleating in AR) who have houses etc. here be used to attract cruise ships. The passenger revenue in the shopping centres must be way above what the argies contribute due to the concessions on IVA and all the other giveaways that the local people cannot benefit from.
It will only take one or two visits to South Africa and the endemic risk of robbery in Cape Town or, worse still Lagos Nigeria, and the cruise ships will be back pronto.
Pepe needs to listen to this guy about Uruguay and act accordingly.
Congratulations to the United States, once again at the VANGUARD of the world in thought!
Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.yahoo.com/thanks-lincoln-mississippi-finally-definitely-ratified-thirteenth-amendment-024920825.html
Welcome to the early 19th century, USA!!
Good Morning Toby, I see it is a lucky day internet is up and your electricity is on. I guess the temperature isn't over 30c yet.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better get your posting done while you still can.
I hear they are expecting high temps and rain today it's a terrible combination for the Rg posters.
So, how does it feel now that on February 18th, 2003, the people of the US have officially renounced slavery? You must be so proud to be so progressive in comparison to the rest of the world.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 You don't seem to understand the difference between individual States and the United States. Look it up.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, good morning miss “I am proud to show every morning I didn't finish 6th grade logic class”.
So if Formosa province has some law where crimes against indians by white men are always “self-defense” regardless of circumstance, you anti-argies would make it clear that this is not “ARGENTINA” but just an isolated backwards province???
I thought so, you would all say, and HAVE said, it's Argentina.
So once again, your hypocrisy machine is on “spin mode”.
Tell me, why does hypocrisy form such an essential part of your culture?
as I was saying, the United States has abolished slavery today, 2013. Congrats.
Did you get any more spam today? They know you are depressed, lonely and desperate.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I get is spam asking me for “investment” money.
Funny the difference huh?
Those spammers are so clever.
Classic Nostrol' on here today. He leapt in first with a load of bollocks that got shot down by the very next poster that came along. Then nothing from him for half a day. When he does post again it's not to explain why his first post was wrong. No, his next post was a complete change of the subject.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Children love attention above all else. If they can't get positive attention, negative will do just as well.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT, you are forever telling us that Mendoza is better than any other Province in Argentina. It cannot be THAT difficult for you to understand the difference between individual States and the United States.
The majority of people from the USA will agree there are some redneck, shit-kickers there, just as there are a minority of racist morons in the UK. The difference is we don't defend them, whereas you would defend any Argentine just because they are Argentine.
Are you beginning to understand the difference between being patriotic and being nationalistic?
Anyway, maybe the Falklands can lower their port fees. Without the ships 1/3 of their economy is gone. If Argentina stopped receiving all ships because the poverty-stricken Europeans can't afford it, it would be at best 0.0003% of our economy.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once 3/4 of the states ratify an amendment it is federal law so whether one, two or a few states don't ever get around to actually voting on an amendment is irrelevant.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are probably some states that haven't ratified some of the other ones either. It really doesn't matter though no one cares.
@12 And the relevance of your comment to “Cruise industry warns South America: itinerary costs are three times higher than in the Mediterranean” is what? Numbskull!
Feb 18th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Didn't your “education” include “adding up”?
@16 “Formosa” isn't really argieland. It's stolen Paraguayan territory! Its acquisition by argieland dates from after the War of the Triple Alliance. Uruguay, Brazil and argieland against Paraguay. And still it took them 6 years. Well, we all know about lousy, cowardly argie “troops”. Greedy argieland tried to get the whole of Paraguay using a “secret” clause of the “Treaty of the Triple Alliance”. Blocked by Brazil, who wanted to be reasonable, and Britain. So argieland only got 1/3 of what it was after. Another “reason” for it to hate Britain and Paraguay! Argieland has so many “enemies”. Largely because others wouldn't allow it to do whatever it liked! Thought it could “take over” from Spain. And thus its arrogant, colonialist, imperialist attitudes! But even Spain couldn't beat Britain!
@22
Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it that when you talk about “Britain's greatness” is always in the past tense! bAhahahahah... have beens.
#20
Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting point. Could it not just be that they do not want to go anywhere near Argentina whose reputation for welcoming hospitality is sliding down the tubes ? Many Europeans would rather spend their money elsewhere
You blithely quote that only 0.0003% of your economy would be affected. I will accept your figures and in the great scheme of things this may be insignificant; however this means many of your countrymen's jobs and livings will have gone. When they have no income, explain to them that it does not matter.
Cruises to Alaska are very popular now with no risk to the passengers - apart from a few bears. More and more people are enjoying cruises to Norway and the Arctic circle visiting civilized countries en route. Cruises in the Pacific visiting the Polynesian islands and finishing in Australia or New Zealand or on the increase. There is an abundance of choice.
No European need to go to S.A. for a holiday cruise.
Toby, if you ever are able to leave Mendoza and can travel to London you will see how stupid and out of touch your postings are to everyone who has been to both UK and Argentina.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To sum up:
Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby starts by maliciouslyslagging Europe - but the story is about South Anerica and SA passengers.
Toby is kicked to the curb and shown to be 'misdirecting' or as journalists say, “lying”.
Mature debate ensues for a few posts
Seversl hours pass and Toby re-appears and tries to deflect the conversation with an artless OFF-TOPIC post about a non-event in the USA, accompanied by moral condemnation.
Toby is called out, and slinks away.
To conclude, the Fslklands are more aware of the importance of the Cruise Industry in SA, than Argentina. There is a risk of losing it to more profitable destinations, at least for a time.
Some ports like Chile and Uruguay may accomodate the Cruise lines. Others like Argentina will not. Already, Argie posters like 'Vestige' are referring to “threats against Argentina” and repercussions.
@24
Feb 18th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't need to leave Argentina to see anything different, fair enough. Europeans stay home then.
@25
The opinions of a biased hater of Argentina are irrelevant and duly discarded. You would not say anything good about Argentina even if Milton Friedman was dictator for life with 100% of the vote, everyone fawned at the fact you are American, and held hostage under threat of castration.
After all of this time you don't know me at all.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your country was run by someone like Pinochet for a generation I am sure I would like it just fine.
It is pretty and after a generation free of corruption, the lazy people learned to work, the scofflaws learned to obey laws it would be a perfectly acceptable country.
Unfortunately you are stuck with what you have todayand the path your're on is turning you into Venezuela.
I hope you have your toilet paper, sugar and laundry detergent stocked up by now. I see there are lot of people lined up doing what I recommend before the April price controls are released. That should be a doozy of a month for the inflation figures. What do you think 5-10% I would guess.
i prefer to fly....no dirty ships for me.
Feb 18th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 you are correct, there is nothing about Argentina that is good, it could only be good if you learned to be truthful and stop ignoring the truth. It only takes one lie for people to lose faith, 1000 lies and there is no going back. your dooomed. :)
Feb 19th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Feb 19th, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0That means the UK stopped being good on May 2nd, 1707... :(
@10 you're too optimistic, again. Even the farmers don't have enough power to overthrow Cristina. Even if they manage to do that, do you know who will step in (assuming Boudou is kicked out as well)? Beatriz Rojkes, whos husband is directly responsible for the genocide of thousands of indigenous people (he's the governor of Tucuman) and also the one who said “we are not censoring Lanata cuz you can watch him online”. Rojkes makes Cristina look like a saint. But Cristina will most likely appease the farmers somehow and finish her term, unless a catastrophe occurs (and no, it hasn't happened yet)
Feb 19th, 2013 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0#31
Feb 19th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I reluctantly have to concur with your statement....we became bloody brilliant !!!!!
“Argentina is too rich for them” - Too rich? Rich in “pelotudos”, of course!
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Feb 19th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, sluttzz is back!
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