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Mercosur begins technical meetings for new proposals on trade accord with EU

Thursday, February 21st 2013 - 05:27 UTC
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Mercosur will retake next March technical discussions for a new proposal to be presented to the European Union for a trade and cooperation agreement, announced Argentine Foreign minister Hector Timerman next to his peer Antonio Patriota following bilateral talks on Wednesday in Rio do Janeiro. Read full article


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  • Anglotino

    They can talk until the cows come home but it won't change the inward focus of Mercosur.

    Associate members abound but funnily enough they are also busy signing free trade deals with other countries; an ability not afforded the full members. Is it any wonder Colombia and Chile are starting to pull ahead so much? They have the benefits of Mercosur without being dragged down by the lowest common denominator.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    They're wasting their time. France won't budge on agriculture and Argentina won't drop it's tariffs. Brazil needs to leave Mercosur and let the Bolivar revolutionaries dictate their own fate.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    “Cristina Fernandez underlined that negotiations “can’t be based on what happened in 2004”, since “in this new world there are new players and new trade exchange terms”.”

    or rewritten...

    “William Hague underlined that negotiations “can’t be based on what happened in 1982”, since “in this new world there are new players and new terms”.”

    funny how KFC's seemingly inconsistent logic flip-flops like her neck in the wind.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @2 Correct. The EU cannot even sort its own agricultural policies out and France will not allow subsidies to be cut to French small farmers, and Spain, Greece and Ireland will support that position also among others. Not an icebergs chance in hell any agreement with mercosur

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    2. Dilma can only wait so long before the Stagflation that is about to happen in Brazil takes her out of power.
    MercoSur will crumble shortly with the exit of Uruguay and Brazil.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    Its typical CFK

    “negotiations can’t be based on what happened in XXXX”

    replace XXXX with any date that Argentina wishes to forget - it was not our fault she will always say, it never happened that way.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Don't want any “agreements” with any illegitimate organisation that has argieland as a member. Who could I be talking about?

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @6 When she's talking about the Falklands she has a curious approach where she says 'agreements must be based upon some 'secret' document from 1978' whilst also saying 'agreements cannot be based upon what happened in 1982'.

    It seems she picks and chooses.

    'agreements can't be based upon people trusting Argentina' would be closer to the truth.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    Is Argentinas involvement in this meant to enhance the deal?

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    It will never happen whilst Argentina are in Mercosur.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th

    Yup, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil will need to leave Mercosur if they want “free” trade with Europe.

    Argentina killed the Free trade Area of the Americas in 2005, humiliating the USA by being the only country that killed the deal. A proud moment in our history.

    We will kill this one too. Europe and North America can sail together and sink in peace as have-beens in world history.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Optimus_Princeps

    @11 If being an arrogant prick constitutes a “proud” moment. There are a lot of high quality commodities that are being denied to regular people because of our high trade tariffs, mediocre transport system, and greedy scum bags.

    Also our industry is suffering because of high taxes for every step of production. The only good items are made by hand by local artisans, but what about electronics, and household utilities? Some of the component parts need to be imported. What about medicine? Some people's lives are at risk because they can't get what they need to survive.

    The Kirchners are economic retards, that are making life difficult for those that actually work. I hope the Donatelo Versace wannabe joins her dead husband Igor very soon.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th

    I'd rather have mediocre everything than great nothing.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @13 Yes you show just how mediocre you are with that statement snotty

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    'Welcome to the People's Democratic Republic of Retardia where we ruin it for everyone in South America'

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    13 Nostrolldamus the 12th

    If you re-read this sage “saying” from Nostril you'll notice it doesn't actually make any logical sense.

    ......if you have mediocre everything then you have great nothing

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Europe and North America can sail together and sink in peace as have-beens in world history.
    Whereas Argentina will march on to its glorious destiny, over the edge of the cliff, while Brazil marks time and the rest of the world say“what a bunch of tossers”

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    They will get nowhere, the sepoys will sabotage it :-)))).

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @18 those bloody sepoys getting into Argentina and ruining Nestor and Peron's great plans.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    18. Of course they want to blame everything on someone else. They have since Peron.
    Evil this Evil that
    Blamin' the man for keepin' em down
    Look at the Rgs posters here, Toby and Think we are looking at you. Maybe now a Stevie should be added to that mess too.

    Everybody's fault but their own.

    But in their defense maybe they are too stupid to read contracts, agreements, treaties...

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @18 That article is hilarious and we all know there are Argentines that believe that kind of conspiracy theory.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian


    If it wasnt for the pathetic whining about “imperialists” and “pirates” then the south american continent might be able to move on and become prosperous nations instead of being brought into their corrupt fold by communists such as Kretina, Chavez and arseholes in Ecuador and Bolivia.

    how can a whole continent be so stupid and why would you want to choose friends like Syria, Iran and Cuba ahead of the likes of the USA, UK, Eu, Canada, NZ, Australia etc. (for all their faults).

    It makes no sense.

    As for this article, get rid of RG land and the other communists and there may be something to talk about but as has already been said agriculture isnt one of them. Start with what they have in common and move on from there.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    20 yankeeboy

    I agree that Stevie (no suffix) should be put onto the list. We should all remember his attributes among which are:

    Commie lover, wants Uruguay to be 'ruled' by another, well known, commie;
    Citizen of the planet no less, pompous ass;
    Gets most of his stuff he spouts off the web (but it doesn't make it untrue!);
    Capable only of spouting generalities to foment unrest;
    Easility pricked to deflate his ever expanding ego, just use the truth;
    Will piss off like he did some time ago when everybody has had enough of him;

    Don't you just love his sort: I know I don't.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahaha Chris!
    Zabalza is a communist now? I almost believed you knew who he was earlier. Do you even know what communism is, or is it just a word you use to scare kids with?
    Feel free to add me to whatever list of your choosing, Hilarious!

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Got a feeling you are going to tell us, comrade!

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Not at all, I'll just read and laugh. This site cracks me up. As it is, I should thank you guys and do what I can to foment your ideas. Best of arguments from my side of the fence.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    not only do I know what communism is, I also know what it is not.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Yes, an old fashioned idea of a social utopia that was great on paper and lethal in practice, particularly to those living under it's control! Unless of course you were one of it's leaders!

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Zabalza He has never worked in his life apart from being a paid union official living as a parasite of his union members subscriptions. Calling him a communist is too polite. He is an anarchist like others of his breed, Richard Read for one

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Poor CFK
    Everything she touches turns to failure.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Why am I getting the feeling our new Stevie friend may be someone else in disguise?
    Mayhaps we have worn out yet another nick?

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @18 CaptainSilver: Oh no, they are onto us!!!!! Just whistle and try not to make eye contact.

    “ ...for two centuries [sinister foreigners] have been doing their utmost to prevent Argentina from becoming the superpower bestriding the southern hemisphere”

    They could at least wait for an Argentinian Bicetenial before making that claim.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @28 Hark, North Koreans get more than enough shoe soup and honest labour to fulfill their needs. Furthermore, their freedom from economic slavery as a member of the proletariat is shown merely through the smiles on their faces and clapping of their hands while their great leaders who do naugh but feast and provide advice on the making of tv sets.

    ... the discomfort of free-market capitalism is truly sh!te in comparison.

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th


    And what's your goddam problem with Ecuador and Bolivia? Are they claiming Galapagos Islands from the mighty British? What have they done to you?

    Feb 21st, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    @34 Snotty your nose is running again. Away and get a paper hankie before the drop drips into whatever you are drinking
    Ecuador, Bolivia, the Galapagos Islands? What the hell are you on about?

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia The problem with your prediction is that Brazil is geographically is where it is. And it must be committed to a strong Argentina. This applies irrespective of who is in power in Brazillia and BA.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @35 I think he's 'having some issues'

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Unlike the Falkland Islands, the Galapagos have never been nor have they ever been claimed as British. They are Ecuadorian.
    What's your point!

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th


    My point is you wonder why we Argentines hate you?

    You claim and took the Falklands? (OK, fair enough the people there are British). But that doesn't send things to a good start even if it is not strictly unfair sine the inhabitants are British.

    You claim the exact portion of Antarctica as we do (not the Australian piece, not the New Zealand piece... there is even an unclaimed portion of Antarctica, you could have claimed). Don't bring me the crap you claimed it first, if that is true (debatable), you still could have decided not to claim the portion right under South America, but you did. That shows the contempt your country always had for us.

    You tried to claim Tierra del Fuego and parts of Patagonia and tried to steal them from Argentina before we had established sovereignty by sending settlers there (including pregnant women), so that you could then pull off the same self-determination crap.

    You tried to take over Buenos Aires, twice, against the will of the people there. Never respected our self-determination.

    You tried to exercise control over both the Rio de la Plata AND the Parana (well inland), even after we were independent. WHAT KIND OF GOOD RELATIONS DOES A COUNTRY WISH TO ESTABLISH WHEN IT SEEKS TO CHOKE A FLEDGLING NATION COMPLETELY BY USURPING HER OWN WATERS?

    You meddled in the Argentina-Brazil war in favor of the Brazilians, and then Uruguayans.

    Resuming, your country has always been our enemy and always sought to choke us, undermine us, steal territory, side with our enemies, and abuse our people.

    Then you wonder why we treat your people, vessels, and interests the way we do.

    Always been our enemy, always will be our enemy.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @39 Your ridiculous arguments were only usurped by the fact you claim the UK shouldn't have claimed the British Antarctic Territory because it was an affront to Argentina's desires for more territory. As if anyone even thought about Argentina when they did it.

    You never seem to blame Spain for delivering unto you cyclical-fail and considering you came so late to the antarctica party, why don't you go and claim the unclaimed parts in the name of Peron?

    You're simply a dreadful logician.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th


    You just proved my point you loser,

    “As if anyone even thought about Argentina when they did it.”

    Thank you for proving it was YOUR attitude towards us, seeing us as less than human, as not an independent country, for over a hundred years that has engendered this utter antipathy and legitimate loathing.

    You thought about the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans when you made your claim right? Why did you think of them?

    What a coincidence you just happen to claim the one piece that face just below South America... you want us to believe you “didn't mean it”.

    It just proves you saw us as inferior from the beginning, the whole country and your government, and you will prove it again in your next post with your words.

    You can justify the Falklands, you can even justify with warped logic attacking the people of Buenos Aires. You can't really justify Antarctica but with mendacities and prevarications.

    And you certainly can NEVER justify siding with a monarchical power (which Brazil was in 1826), against a fledgling republic, when you claim your nation always stands for human rights and democracy.

    And you even less can justify trying to essentially blockade Argentina alongside the French by basically taking over territorially the Rio de la Plata and the Parana,

    You want us to treat you with respect when you NEVER did.

    Out of all the nations of the Americas, 34 of them, the only one you have time and time again sought to undermine is us.

    And if I maybe serious for one more moment, I'm not blaming our domestic issues on YOU. I'm blaming your 150 of culturally racist, colonialist, economically and territorially hostile maneuvers towards us. We did nothing for you to kill Buenos Aires civilians, we did nothing for you to side with Brazil, we did nothing for you to try to choke our ports, we did nothing for you to see us as inferior and ”not even think of Argentina', when you did think of the other Southern Hemisphere nations.

    Own your acts.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Fantastic Article on Stratfor about the growing unrest in Argentina. They're usually spot on with their analysis.

    Gonna get ugly...

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @41 You have a huge inferiority complex and hate that eats away at you. If you are a young, intelligent man, go out and make something of your life.

    And please stop claiming you speak for all Argentines because you don't. That 'we' you bandy about can only really mean you, your mum, one or two friends and people feeding you lies on the computer.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus the 12th


    Why instead of petty, asinine, personal attacks don't you address the points I made?

    You can't, maybe?

    You like to talk about how we Argentines have victimized the islanders by our actions. Fair game.

    You British never have sat down and actually perpended on the actions of your government towards us, well before there was a Falklands row. Maybe you should have. But your carcinogenic pride to never admit fault against the argies does not afford you that luxury. Your problem.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, You really need to see a psychologist about your Persecution/Paranoia complex. It is a serious problem this crazy stuff you believe is all in your head and nowhere else.
    Why don't you list the provable unilateral actions UK has taken against your country over the last 50 yrs so we can debate them 1 by 1?

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    An interesting article by Carolina Barrios in the Buenos Aires Herald entitled “No Minister”

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Brother in South América, please, show me more information about Brasil X Argentina war in Cisplatina Question, and England interference in our favor. Thanks.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @45 Yankeeboy

    He does indeed have a persecution complex. I especially like how he keeps try to squeeze past actions of an imperial power into the modern world.

    And it absolutely gold his whine about the UK's claim to Antarctica below South America. As if the UK was preempting an Argentine claim. The Australian Antarctic Territory was initially British and then transferred to Australia. The NZ territory was British managed through New Zealand. So the British claimed a fair amount. And they definitely claimed before Argentina.

    Anyway back to Nostrils. He tries to project his hatred which eats away at him.

    I don't hate Argentina or Argentines. How you could hate an entire country or people is beyond me.

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Friendship: Brasil x Argentina.......dos histórias, uno destino:

    Feb 22nd, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Well snotty you going to reply to brasileiros question or not?

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia That tune takes me back. :)

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Cisplatina or Uruguay is very important for us. Independence to Cisplatina is dream for breack the Argentinian dominance in Plate River.

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    WOW! Nothing says “I have a small penis” more than that last Youtube clip.

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    31 yankeeboy

    I could be mistaken here, but Stevie posts like Guzz did until he lost his marbles and got himself banned.

    He also made the comment to me, 'you will be surprised to know who I am' or something like it.

    I originally got on very well with Guzz.

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Chris Guzz still living in Denmark I wonder?

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    55 redpoll

    I would imagine so if his plans worked out: he was due to change emphasis to a green ship concept but looking at what is going on in deep sea ships I think he may literally have missed the boat.

    Feb 23rd, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I would love to know when and how this supposed Brazil/Argentina friendship has happened.
    As far as I know Brazilians hate RGs as much as Rgs hate Brazilians.
    Brazilians think Rgs are arrogant for no reason and Rgs this Brazilians are beach monkeys
    Plus wasn't Brazil the driver of Operation Condor and wanted to bomb BA in ww2.
    Doesn't sound too friendly to me
    I think this supposed friendship is about as good as the MercoSur relationship which is falling apart and UnaSur that will fall apart as soon as they eclare Chavez dead.

    Feb 24th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    @4 They seem to phrase everything into “what can't happen” , or it's not like s. Then they sit and pat themselves on the back for being sm“año xyz. Nunca mas! Basta!”

    Feb 24th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia How courageous of you to reveal your problem to us all here.

    You should not feel embarrassed because you have a small penis. Remember the saying - “Size isn't everything” - its just 95%.

    Feb 25th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Remember, dynamite comes in small packages !

    Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia So do rectal suppositories. What's your point?

    Feb 25th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    61 Hepatia

    “What's your point?”

    Well, you would know the point if you shoved dynamite up your culo instead of a suppository.

    But at least WE would have a laugh.

    Feb 25th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia I see. So your point is that you view Anglotino as a violent, homicidal thug. I think you are being overly harsh to Anglotino.

    Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    63 Hepatia

    And you have just proven what the rest of us thought about you is correct. Well done!

    Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Two bits of important information: First you think; and you are happy. Good news!

    Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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