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Kerry refuses to comment on Falklands’ referendum; US position remains unchanged
Starting in London his first trip overseas as the new US Secretary of State, John Kerry kept strictly to US policy on the Falkland Islands and refused to comment on the coming referendum when Islanders are expected to decide on their political status and future. Read full article
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the argie bloggers will be in heaven.
Still
Even bugs must have some hope.
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Obama hates Britain and he is calling the shots. Nile Gardiner sums it up for me...
Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Not exactly an encouraging start for Mr. Kerry, who is already parroting Hillary Clinton’s line on the Falklands, which looks a lot like Cristina Kirchner’s stance as well: don’t recognise the rights of the Falkland Islanders, and call for a negotiated settlement between Buenos Aires and London over the future of the Falklands. This isn’t neutrality – it’s the de facto position of the Argentine government.
This is yet another slap in the face for Britain and the Falklands Islanders from a US administration that cares more about appeasing a third-rate, declining socialist regime in Latin America than standing with America’s closest friend and ally. As I’ve noted before, Barack Obama is the most anti-British US president of modern times. His administration’s stance over the Falklands speaks volumes about its contempt for the Special Relationship, as well as its disdain for the right to self-determination of the Falkland Islanders themselves.'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100204229/in-latest-insult-to-britain-the-obama-administration-kowtows-to-kirchner-on-the-falklands-referendum/
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your opinion,
the fact of the matter is,
if the british goverment went to war,
would the Americans back us or not.
What does it matter anyway. Who needs American support? They won't Britain because:
Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) Obamas family were partly Kenyan
b) Supporting us would compromise their position elsewhere
c) They have little influence in South America
So what?
@ 4
Feb 25th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Flapole”. ... ; )
Why is kerry's chin as long as Cameron's slap-head is long?
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Obama still not over his 'daddy has 42 wives, left my mummy, and spent no time with me' thing? Can't he just be nice to us once?
Guess not.
It's quite disappointing but not surprising given Obama's obvious dislike of the British.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He can't go one step further as it would cause problems if the UK decided to withdraw support for American operations oversees and decided to become more friendly towards the EU and other nations. The UK is America's most important strategic ally even if Obama doesn't like it.
On top of this, the US has a policy of appeasement for nearly all SA countries to build trade links and is working in the middle ground so as not to offend the next continent it plans to rape for resources.
Still the UK needs nobodies support other than the UN to support the self determination of the people of the Falkland Island's and very fortunately the UK has it.
Ban Ki Moon the leader and most important person in the UN has recently shown his unconditional support for the people of the Falkland Island's.
@8 Boohhh Obama doesn't like me...poor you!!! He doesn't like the british...boooohhh....the special relationship...
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This I say the the Falklanders and the Brits. My president comes and goes in terms of four and sometimes eight years. They usually are never what they appear to be when riunninmg for office, but one this is certiain, they will always leave. I can't make my president do one thing or another, only write in protest, but always know that the people of the USA full hardedly support the UK and Falklanders. It does not matter....Obama is a lame duck.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like the way he classes this as a critical issue, who too? The UK? I would argue not. The UK's position since 1982, is that no decision on the status of the Falkland Islands, will be taken without the involvement of the islanders. This has consistently been the UK's position.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders do not wish to cede or share sovereignty with the Argentinians, that therefore, that is the official position of the UK government.
Whta's critical about that? Seems staright forward to me.
@2 Sussie the slag again. The “all holes open” argie slag. No-one want your holes, Sussie? Business dropped off? The IRS in close pursuit? Immigration and Customs Enforcement looking for you? Are you on the run? Type. I know you can't talk. Mouth and throat full. But at least you can bend over the keyboard. Can you take two at once now? In the case of repeated characters, shall we assume that something sticky has dropped on your keyboard? Have your customers taken to demanding quadruple protection? For them, not you. And how much change do you have to give them out of a dollar now? 99 cents? By the way, you've been reported for identity theft.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Screw the yanks. Our territory. Our enemy. And, at the end of the day, no more argieland. Just some nice multiple nuclear explosions. No doubt brought about by inexperienced argie technicians fooling with technology beyond their capability. Whoops, 95% of argieland explodes. 95% of argie population killed. There are times when one has to do what is RIGHT! On the plus side, the entire world expresses its gratitude to the UK for ridding the world of a pit of genocidal, larcenous, mendacious sub-humans!
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly, no other country wants to take sides. No one gives a fuck and if the RG's pipe down we would never hear about this story.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has trawled the world demanding that people put this on their agenda, but the reality is that it changes absolutely nothing. What it might do is embolden RG Land to try something stupid and if that happened then they would once more be put in their place.
This is a busted flush and the RG's must surely know that. It just isnt going to happen for them.
The USA will do what is best for the USA. Right does not usually come into it.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People need to remember that when the Democrats reunited (rightly IMO) a Cuban child with his father, they lost the election in Florida and Bush got in. I don't think they will be so stupid as to let a little thing like morals get in the way again.
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kerry refuses to comment on Falklands’ referendum; US position remains unchanged
Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Starting in London his first trip overseas as the new US Secretary of State, John Kerry kept strictly to US policy on the Falkland Islands and refused to comment on the coming referendum when Islanders are expected to decide on their political status and future.
No More commentssss !!!!
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The math isn't too hard to get. US “State” prizes stability and commerce in the region. Even with an anti-Anglo administration like this one, AR isn't getting much at all from this. It will want to trade where possible (and profitable) with AR. It will want to trade where possible (and profitable) with the FI. Distrupt that stability and you will see where the US stands. Having a referendum will do nothing to disrupt the status quo. Interfering in FI internal matters or its dealings with the UK (or anyone else) ~will~. If AR tries to force the US to choose by doing something stupid, it will chose the UK as it did in 82. If the UK tries to force the US to choose the US will clam up officially but the status quo with Falklands in the hands of the Islanders will stand. Meanwhile other branches of US government are clearly showing the same passive support for the FI JQ Public has and had in 82. As frustrating as this is for the UK and especially the FIers. This is far better than the worlds stance on Taiwan.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over 2% of the WORLD is disputed regions. And Obama has said previously that he believes Arg & the UK could dialogue. That's a GREAT THING.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is complicated law and even more complicated diplomacy, and will add to the world's understanding of territorial agreement, which will be needed when Mars becomes a new frontier.
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Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better live as a slave there, than free in your shithole!
Feb 25th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23 If you are, why can't you write in English. Sentences start with a capital letter - I not i !!!!!!!!!!
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone from the UK would know this and no one would call themselves a servant if they came from the UK.
Servants, by their nature, come from the lower orders such as Argentina.
2 Steve-33-uk
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent comment. It's time to leave England colonialism and imperialism and start to comply with international law and the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (Res.2065) and Decolonization Committee of the United Nations.
See “U.S. did not support the referendum kelper”
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-214585-2013-02-25.html:
19 British
pay attention to the islanders are but slaves.
Nobody and no Argentine has said that. Argentina does not want slaves. No English living in Argentina is a slave. Instead, he lives very well integrated into society Argentina as the Welsh in Patagonia. Unfortunately the islanders are British citizens occupying land Argentina.
I see that your comments have been elimminados by the publisher. Leave the hatred and resentment towards all Latin American and Argentine. A better world is not built with colonialism and imperialism of any kind.
24 Clyde15
Pathetic and pitiful. You're a racist. Acknowledge, is the sad reality of a colonialist and imperialist English.
God help you.
face1354@hotmail.com
@20 ayayay
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talk about sovereignty? Britain pursued a course of talking as decreed by the UN band the islanders were happy as they were. The Junta invaded, the prospects of new talks is understandably laughable!
Raul, just to gently remind you Resolution 2065 is not only expired but it was indeed illegally violated by Argentina and as such quoting it only makes you look rather silly.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its also equally ironic you say England (I presume you mean Great Britain) needs to leave colonialism behind whilst you support Argentine colonialism in taking over the islands against the native populations wishes.
Silly in the extreme, only someone who has a high level of delusion could entertain your scenario.
How come you can write such excellent english, but are crap at reading it?
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did it say that they did not support the referendum?
It says neither he nor the president is going to comment. Do try and concerntrate on your comprehension.
One would think you are trying to dishonestly represent the mans words?
@Raul How many times do you have to be reminded about the words LIP SERVICE????? Do you really believe The United States would risk such a stronge alliance for a Woman that some of her own people now call DAUGHTER OF A WHORE???? You have Timerman A JEW kissing the ass of the Islamist terror sponsering state of Iran and you think The United States supports SS Kirchner?? you need to get your fat head out of your ass and start looking at the broader picture,The United States is paying Argentina LIP SERVICE with the full knowledge of The United Kingdom.
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul - and others - please tell me WHERE did John Kerry say US would not take any note of the referndum?
Feb 25th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It does not happen for another 2 weeks!! No politician would comment on something that has not yet happened!
He said basically the same as the Africa group the other day:
It is a bilateral problem - we want them to discuss and resolve the issues.
Islands and UK a say - we want to discuss issues - after 10 years of nastiness and threats from Arg we still wish to start on improving bilatereal relations between the Islands and Argentina -
The Arg reply - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa we cannot talk to the people who actually LIVE in the Islands and are elected Representatives of the Islands - Christ - that would be democracy and human rights - and we Argies cannot have that happening!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly why are we bothered about what the Americans think, who they support in this?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's their tax dollars that pay for the UN right? so they are not going ignore the founding charter of an organisation that they pay for are they?
It's their generals in the Pentagon that said ( back in 1982 ) that the operation to retake the Falkland Islands was impossible... and look how right they were!!
As for their “efforts” at diplomacy........well, I think we all know, if it came down to a straight fight, William Hague could out smart the likes of Hilary Clinton and this John Kerry with his hands tied behind his back.
America needs the UK more than we need America. With us, America is taking action under the banner of ISAF or an “Allied” action. without us they are merely “Western Imperialists” flexing their muscle.
So Obama et al can play their little game, we will let them.... until play time is over and it's time to put the toys back in their box.
tastes like a large helping of “STATUS QUO” topped with a smothering of “AS YOU WERE” straight from the star spangled banner kitchen......
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION....thats my cup of tea.
mmm
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0We see the argie silly boyos are up and at it,
and susy is back impersonating others,
boy you argies are scraping the barrol tonight aint ya.
we dont need anyones help, we can make you lot disapear when we want,
but carry on being desperate and insulting,
you make the best comedians ..lol.
31 Pirate Love
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's right!!! only make mine a Mexicana will you? You know, one of those cups of coffee with the whipped cream and chocolate drops on the top?
I think we may be stuck here for some time...............
@25 Yes it was Argentina's mistake there. http://m.guardiannews.com/uk/2012/dec/28/thatcher-falkland-islands-national-archives
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Argies had your chance,
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you fxcked it by being to arrogant and greedy, and you lost everything,
so Soddy offy.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/us-will-recognise-falkland-islanders-referendum/
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0US WILL recognise .... :-)
Kerry refuses to comment on Falklands’ referendum; US position remains unchanged
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAH uk is FINISHED! poor deluded pirates..hated by half of the world...
Still stupid I see Marv - you taking the tablets ?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US cannot be trusted, they are big on self-determination, why are they not supporting the Brits?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well well well so much British pressure and what did they get?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing, nada, niente, no support whatsoever.
“If there’s one thing every incoming U.S. Secretary of State learns fast, it’s that Britannia is a needy and insecure partner, constantly seeking reassurance that America loves and values her”
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/02/25/john-kerry-sails-into-a-new-falklands-conflict-in-london/#ixzz2LyWd5Lm3
Still stupid I see Marv - you taking the tablets ?AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA poor liar..uk is FINISHED....AHAHahahahwho cares about a pirate ex empire
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marv - the Yanks don't support Argentina ! Fact !
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of Argentina's support is an illusion. You know what an illusion is I'm sure Marv - you live one :-)
At the end of day, the Americans are playing a diplomatic game in which they are being careful to avoid exciting the ever present anti-american sentiments in Latin America. However, behind closed doors, does any rational person think the US State Department looks upon Argentina as anything but a 'joke' of a country of these days. Argentina is going backwards in a hurry.....led by fools, embarrassing fools.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an Australian, I look forward to seeing the referendum take place. The islanders are exercising their legitimate rights and the result should be respected by any fair minded person.
Long live the Falkland Islands. Viva las Islas Falklands para siempre!!!
@44 Diddles
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair dinkum! Diplomacy is required for SA hot head countries who are anti-america, anti-european, claim love only for their neighbours... which is itself a lie.
LOL! I've not read the article or the comments yet but MY GOD have you seen the 1st photo?!
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kelly has an expression on his face like a texan kid who just got a hold of his daddys shotgun and then Cameron... Well... it looks like he's been for a really numbing poop to put it politely - most flustered and slightly dazed. You can just see the 'aaaaaaaahhhhhh' coming out of his mouth.
Ok, ok, derogetory remarks about our 'leader' over.
They are a pair of idiots.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kerry came lower in the grades than George Bush at Harvard: I would have thought that impossible. And he made a howler by inventing a new state in the 'stans’ (he mispronounced a name) and now the state military are looking for it to bomb it.
Cameron is way out of his depth and has made himself look a complete prat kowtowing to the latest nonentity from the USA.
None of this 'froth' will alter anything. The argies will still cry and stamp their feet about the Falklands and threaten to invade them just like now.
We all know it is bullshit as they do not possess the wherewithal to even get near the islands without their boats sinking themselves or being sunk by the standing forces available to the FIG.
@3 Briton
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt it, not under Obama... But a war in the far east may change political allegiances.
@42 Lord Ton
True, its important to remember that the US does not support Argentine colonialism, they are remaining neutral for politic reasons.
Few more FI related news stories....
'It's Time for Cameron to Stand Up to the White House Over the Falkland Islands'
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/luke-coffey/david-cameron-falkland-islands_b_2759307.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
'Settling the issue - Telegraph View: It is unfortunate that John Kerry did not feel able to make an unequivocal statement respecting the rights of Falkland Islanders'
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/luke-coffey/david-cameron-falkland-islands_b_2759307.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
'Falklands figure nationalist passion - The impending referendum that will decide if the Islanders want to remain British or updates the trauma of a country that has not fared as well as dreamed'
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/luke-coffey/david-cameron-falkland-islands_b_2759307.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Well all i can say to our Argentine friends here is that the US position still has not changed, they recognize the UK administration over the islands whilst taking no side in the sovereignty dispute.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the vital thing that most seem to not understand here is that the US will be forced to take a stance upon the results of the referendum - Why you ask?
Well their own constitution and the UN Charter, protects the right and promotes peoples rights to have freedom and democracy. Therefore for the US to ignore the referendum results, would make the US hypocrites seen to be denying the islanders their human rights. Not a good move when your constantly telling others to respect peoples human rights and to improve their human rights records.
You also have the majority of American citizens, whom actually DO support the islanders and do not like the stance their government has taken and whom also not not like the fact their government is trying to tell their best friend (Britain) to stay in the EU just because its in the US national interest, despite the wishes of the British people.
Personally America has become weaker under Obama and overstretching his political power and interests when trying to tell us Brits what to do, especially when it only antagonizes us. We have had centuries of other other nations trying to influence us, French, Spain, Germany, and look what happened to them. I'm not saying the same would happen between Britain and the US, as it won't, but what am saying is we brits will do what we want regardless of what Obama wants and we will not toe the Obama line, in fact, we will do the opposite if he keeps trying to push - But then thats what happens when you antagonize someone and piss them off.
Seems that USA expects UK support for “democracy” all over the World. And yet when it comes to Britain itself the USA has no position except it would like the British people to be denied a vote on leaving the EU. The Referendum in the Falklands is the clearest expression of Democracy in action and if the USA cannot understand that then the so called Special Relationship will continue to decline helped along the way by silly films like Argo (a distortion built on a lie) and other such rubbish. Currently and for the foreseeable future Argentina cannot challenge the UK's military forces on the Islands. Once all the oil is safely extracted Argentina will lose interest and we can start repairing relations.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Buenos Aires Herald reports today that the US will not recognise the forthcoming referendum. Kerry did NOT say that!
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it impossible for the Argentine press to correctly report the news? Is the Bs As Herald in the pocket of la Kretina?
Covert support for the UK.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0A well written article
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1557920-malvinas-cifra-de-una-pasion-nacionalista
@48, @49
We all know one of the main reasons Oh-bama was was elected had nothing to do with his political IQ.
All the US has stated is that the issue of the Falklands must be solved by the parties involved.
@50
The peronist freedom of the press exists in Argentina, you want to stay in business, tow the line.
Personally I don't see what all the fuss is about. Kerry simply stated:
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I’m not going to comment, nor is the President, on a referendum that has yet to take place”
That's fair enough because it would be nothing more than speculation.
It's what happens AFTER the referendum has taken place that's important, and despite what some of the Argentine's on here are claiming the US had not said it won't recognise the results.
@53
Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only that, but if he did comment on the referendum, he would be accused of influencing the result.
You can hear what what exactly Kerra said here:
Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9892741/John-Kerry-ducks-Falkland-Islands-issue-during-London-visit.html
This note does not transcribe everything. Please, take particular attention that Mr Kerry statet that the US “takes no position on the parties' sovereignty claims: they are two”.
Most of Argentina's support is an illusion. You know what an illusion is I'm sure Marv - you live one uk iS FINISHED!.That is the reality..lordy:You are FINISHED too...poor deluded ex empire..It will be obliterated.......That is th efuture..
Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56 erm...sorry to burst your bubble malvicious, you obviously havent noticed the largest of all empires the world has ever had the priviledge to witness The Great british empire no longer exists these days and hasnt for nearly a century, other than in your coke fuelled reality, clearly your bravado has been brought about with the belated news that the empire is in decline, you poor backward creature.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0meanwhile, The modern intelligent world has moved on in leaps and bounds, leaving a few archaic patches on the globe still stuck in colonial times with expanionist aspirations and contempt for human rights, heres a few other things you will find enlightening :
the dinosaurs have all died off...
we no longer have slaves.....
the roman empire is over....
neanderthals are extinct, but listening to you has given me doubts....
put away your leech....we have penicilin
witches are no longer burnt at the stake, instead they are elected in SA elections
indigenous peoples now have rights.....yeah thats right.
Oh and one last thing...We now have The Wheel, Tools and Fire....
SELF-DETERMINATION.....dragging the malvitas into the 21st century
#52
Feb 26th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1557920-malvinas-cifra-de-una-pasion-nacionalista
An Argentinian who talks sense - what a rarity.
John Kerry: ”the US takes no position on the parties' sovereignty claims: they are two”.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone explain me how it is that if there are two claims there will be three parties????
Can anyone explain me why the referendum is organised if this does not make changing the position of even the closest UK ally?
56 erm...sorry to burst your bubble malvicious, you obviously havent noticed the largest of all empires pirate:uk has a lot of UNPAID crimes.Time to pay it back......
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone explain me why the referendum is organised if this does not make changing the position of even the closest UK ally?
That is rigth Dr Kohen.uk is becoming irrelevant to the USA.South America is FAR more promising than the ex empire....This pro brits in this forum are 100 years behind........uk is FINISHED!
@55 Marcello Kohen
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have mistranscribed the quotation. It's not “they are two” but “thereto” i.e. “in that matter”. Thus, “the US takes no position on the parties' sovereignty claims in that matter”. Thereto is a slightly legalistic expression but he is reading out US policy verbatim and not having some friendly banter so it is a perfectly reasonable turn of phrase in that context.
If you don't believe me then watch the clip again - he speaks slowly and deliberately throughout and that final word has 2 syllables (thereto) and not 3 syllables (they are two).
That said your English is still far better than my Spanish. Toodlepip!
The UK is finished. Oh my god, disastrous! Why haven't we heard about it?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This means will be taking possession of the islands then? very soon, possibly tomorrow?
Oh that's right you can't! can you? because infact the UK is not finished and you will get a right slapping if you try it again.
Troll drivel!
The relationship between the UK and the US has always been a one direction arrangement, they ask and we do. What the US would like to do is not be involved in this situation at all. By recognising the de facto UK administration, they can navigate a path of least resistance. This is a policy we should adopt with them, the democrats won't be in power forever, when the republicans get back in they will want the same friendly 'we ask, you do' arrangement they always had with us. At this point we should politely tell them that the previous administration ended that arrangement and they needn't count on our support in the future!
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61: Yes, you are right: “thereto”. My English still has to be improved...
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, my second question @ 59 remains:
Can anyone explain me why the referendum is organised if this does not make changing the position of even the closest UK ally?
Moreover, “de facto” UK administration is even recognised by Argentina. Obviously, it is the UK that controls the islands. “De iure” administration would be another thing...
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment220961: Whether President Obama is anti British or not is irrelevant to its position on the Las Malvinas dispute. Secretary is expressing, and will continue to express, long stanging US policy. The referendum was designed by the British to change this policy, but it has failed. This is why the British appear so desperate.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 064
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it means that the USA would not countenance another military invasion by Argentina so that the de facto administration can last forever and a day or until UK/Falkland Islanders decide otherwise. Certainly not satisfactory for UK given all the military support provided to USA in Iraq and Afghanistan but not particularly encouraging for Argentina either.
@64
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who needs to change anybodies position? We are quite happy with the status quo.
Just to remind you of the status quo:
1) The islanders are free to determine their own choice of government, be it as a British overseas territory, independent state, or province of Argentina.
Nothing needs to change from that position, and the islanders right to that position is reaffirmed by the referendum.
It is the Malvinista that wish to change things and need policies and actions that will drive the change.
Britain and the Islanders are happy with the status quo, and the referendum will underline that.
P.S.
Hilarious misquote by the way, at least unlike the majority of weirdos supporting your cause, you have the grace to admit it...LOL
@64
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The beauty of the referendum is that has forced Argentina into arguing, in the name of decolonization, that the inhabitants of the territory it wishes to annex have no right to a day in their future. This probably won't change anything much, but it may be a cause for reflection among the large number of states who have a lower embarrassment threshold,
Nor should the US policy be any surprise to anybody. Argentinas policy is not being so effective that they are obliged to come down on one side or the other. On the other hand, Kerry has iied that they might indeed have something to say after the referendum. I 'd bet some anodyne statement that Argentina should maybe think about listening the wishes of those most directly concerned.
@67: Now, I understand you: it is a referndum of self-satisfaction. OK.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm happy to know that my English mistakes make you hilarious.
@64: you do not annex what is yours...If you wish to wait for a change in the US position after the referendum, well, just wait. Kerry was clear.
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Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is finished. Oh my god, disastrous! Why haven't we heard about it?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAH sure reality,it is EXPRESSED in the THOUSAND of brits who leave uk FOR A MUCH BETTER LIFE abroad..
Hilarious misquote by the way, at least unlike the majority of weirdos supporting your cause, you have the grace to admit it...LOL
AHAHAH anothe brits useless comment.uk is FOOTING the bill NOT ARGENTINA..you can keep spending the millions of pounds to NO AVAIL.Oil? Nothing found yet! Even if you found it,YOU STILL WILL NEED Argentina support..I am VERY HAPPY that the stupid brits are spending their tax money(That they DO NOT HAVE) and Argentina is waiting..WIth NO MONEY spended......When the time comes,you will be pushed out....AHAHAHAHA Poor deluded ex empire..So incredible stupid..
@69
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not self-satisfaction......self-determination, you were half right.
23 oh oh clydy the world seems to me to have changed. there are no more lower or upper countries. its all in the middle. hegemony in countries cant work any more and less through the use of force. good to see contients asking for more equilibrium in the ONU, more representation, more equality.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thereto, all together exists as a word???? or is there to.??
65 agree with you Hepatia.
We already know the result of the 1,600 population to the referendum, does not change anything.
@59 The referendum is being placed because the people of the falkland islands want to express their democratic choice verbally and explicitly.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are only two claims, the people of the Falkland islands have their legitimate claim and the Argentinians have their illegitimate claim. The UK's position is as it was with Poland and Austria when the Germans were claiming their territories prior to WW2. The UK also acts as a bizarre conduit of sound, not unlike a telephone for passing messages from the Argentines to the Falkland islanders as the former refuse to admit the latter exist in this temporal plane of reality.
Any more questions you want answering?
@73
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, nothing will change because of the referendum. Exactly.
So, the Islands will remain a BOT and there is not a single thing Argentina can do about.
nothing will change because of the referendum....GOOD.
Malen
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your right it changes nothing, they will still continue to live on the islands and you do not and never will. Something very satisfying about that, a nice warm content feeling.
Now pop off and find some more irrelevant organisations to give you so called support! lots more of them left. You tried the Sally Army or the YMCA yet?
The situation will be so illegal as before.....ajajaja
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 You are correct, you annex what belongs to someone else. Hence 'the argentines annexed the falkland islands' is a truth, as is 'the argentines started a war rather than negotiate'.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The use of 'de facto' can be elaborated on insofar as it means 'of or belonging to fact'. The use of 'de' and 'veritas', and forgive my latin, 'veritatis' would probably be a better description as the truth is that the Falkland Islanders have administrative control over the islands.
'de jure' means nothing in south america because they typically ignore legal rulings or have a massive rant about them on the tv.
Is this any clearer for you?
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Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79 was there any underlying content in your comment? I couldn't graft anything from it.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79
Feb 26th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the number of Argentines born on the islands.....ever.....NONE, ZERO.....LOL
Talking to a Malvanista and using the word graft, why, oh why, does that sound so appropriate? Like peaches and cream or Bacon and eggs.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Illegal by what judgement and by who's authority?
Having read thousands of Malvinista messages, news articles, listened to Tinpot and Cretina, and read all relevant UN resolutions, the only “illegal” act by a government on the islands came in 1982 when Argentina failed to meet the binding terms of a BINDING UN security council resolution.
Individual illegal acts, yes the murder of Mestevier, the rape of his wife, the murder of Brisbane....all carried out by individuals proportions to represent the UP or originating from there.
I don't see that peacefully expelling 50 or so vagabonds, militia, rapists, deportees and murders who had been on the islands for 2 months, after telling the UP that we would do exactly that before they arrived, is illegal at all.
In comparison of crimes carried out by Argentina (genocide of Amerinians, harbouring of Nazi war criminals) it is minuscule and certainly not illegal.
The way must always be kept open for litigation at the International Court of Justice. In view of the outrageous claims from Argentina it is time for the UK and the Falkland Islanders to challenge them at the ICJ.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont see the “peacefully” expelling of 50 ....(...)... is illegal at all.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do see it is illegal.
In comparison of crimes carried out by Ar it is minuscule and not illegal.
Well crimes carried by Ar had been judged, remember that.
Uk is more kindly affected to kill outside its country , doesnt give you any advantage.
And yes it is illegal.
@Gustbury, when your dear leader Crissy kirchner the botox Queen gets the MASSIVE politicle slap in the face she so richly deserves when the referendum results are announced she should do the right thing and STEP DOWN like any other honest and law obiding leader would but Kirchner does not fall into any of those brackets does she??? Even the good Chileans who live on The Islands willbe voting for things to stay the same but I guess you will be calling them traitors
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 No one other than the raping-murdering malitia were expelled.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crimes carried out by Argentina were NOT judged. You killed hundreds of people by choosing to make peaceful negotiations into a war, and even now you try to escape from the guilt by suggesting it was nothing to do with yourselves.
It was never your land, so it's not illegal. End of.
Cue more of your lies.
It was never your land, so it's not illegal. End of.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAHAHHHHHA Shut up crook!uk PIRATES,murderers LIARS!
Stinking bastards of the Obuma administration. This makes me thoroughly ashamed of my country at this time!
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely apologize to My British brothers, cousins and Falkland Islanders (never Malvinas!)
@71
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvi
Please keep up, no OIL in the FALKLANDS ,you are having a laugh aren't you?
Rockhopper oil have found 500 million barrels of oil in the SEA LION prospect. If you do not believe me, feel free to go to Rockhopper website as research it.
Not only that but Premier oil and borders and southern have contracted a rig for 2014 to satart development work. First oil in Q3 2017
80@ 1600 people can not against the world!! MALVINAS ARGENTINAS.Now do you like more?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to forgive Mal, once he gets beyond cut and paste he seems to get confused, probably why he rarely gets beyond the cut/paste ''pirates,liars'' diatribe. PH is another that struggles in that regard.
They know not what they are posting and their true meanings, or they would never be posting the usual twaddle which has been shown to be incorrect on almost a daily basis.
81@ shut up!! :1740 armed confrontation occurs entrelas British and French fleets without a clear winner and the Falkland Islands are divided geographically between these two nations.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 01764 Spain protest foulbrood considered an occupation in its own grounds at the French court.
1765 The British fleet returns to land in the Islands.
1776 The French recognize Spanish sovereignty over the Islands.
Year 1770 was ceded to Spain the part taken by France (Colony of Port Louis) and renamed as Puerto Soledad.
Year 1771 The British resumed their staying Islands until 1774.
1774 After a long period of diplomacy and a possible clash between Spain and England decide to leave the British Isles leaving a plate (if one plate) clarifying its sovereignty over the islands.
1816 Argentina proclaimed its independence from the Spanish Crown, assuming the sovereignty of the islands as a legacy of the Spanish Empire.
1820 warship arrives Argentina called “Heroin” and solemnly ratified possession of the Falkland Islands, this fact is quickly known in the United Kingdom (England), as “NO” has no objection.
Year 1825 The United Kingdom recognizes the independence Argentina and still challenge the sovereignty Argentina sobe Falkland Islands.
1830 Birth of the first people in the islands“including the daughter of Luis Vernet” (yes, the first-born nationals are Islands Argentina), in the same year Captain Lexington carried beyond its mission arrived in Bahia San Carlos with flag “French” Argentines confident let him land, located in the artillery destroyed the Argentine settlement at Puerto Soledad until 1833 this left the Islands in a state of anarchy.
The UK 1833 taking advantage of the defenseless Islands were invaded, expelling all Argentine inhabitants thereof. bye!
@Gust
Feb 26th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try providing a link when you spark up with dodgy copy/paste jobs.
Oh, and you forgot to copy/paste
1850 Argentina sign the Convention of Settlement, foregoing any claim to the Falkland Islands.
@Uncle Sam, But do you not think what the Obama administration is saying in public and what they are saying to The British governmant is two different things?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, the 1850 Treaty of Perfect Peace; how the Argentines wish it was never signed. Even Gust pretends it wasn't.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 Usual drivel. Why do you quote an irrelevant resolution and an equally irrelevant “committee”?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@37 So?
@40 But the U.S. is still giving us weapons!
@41 You do. Otherwise you wouldn't be yattering so much!
@56 Who's going to “obliterate” us? You? You'd be hard put to “obliterate” a flea. Of which, no doubt, you have many!
@59 Are you really that thick? Try using that goo between your ears.
@60 Silly child. The UK has barely started. A good 2,000 years of known history. 1,500 years of getting it right. Hundreds of years of rule. And what have you got? Theft, genocide, murder and corruption.
@64 The UN recognises the UK's “de jure” administration!
@65 The referendum was not “designed” by the British. It has been decided upon by the Falkland Islands Government.
@69 What is “yours”? Certainly not the Falkland Islands. You can try again if you like. And we'll kill you again!
@71 It's quite difficult to make sense of your psychotic ranting. Could you try proper sentences? Argie support? For what? Have you not noticed that the plans are for floating facilities? Or that NO British tax money is being spent? Except on warships, combat aircraft, missiles, bombs, ammunition. Last estimate I saw was that the Falklands garrison has enough munitions to last 2 years!
@73 Please note the Falkland Islands EEZ and argie kill zone. Enter at your own risk!
@77 The Falkland Islands are British territory. Recognised by the UN. A place where all unwelcome argies DIE. That's legal!
@85 Isn't argieland guilty of documented genocide, murder, war crimes? Which one is “miniscule”?
@88 Keyboard stuck again? Shut up faggot! Argie thieves, genocides, murderers, rapists, perverts, war criminals, bigots, xenophobes, queers, psychotics, LIARS!
@89 Thank you, Uncle Sam. Always rely on REAL Americans.
@91 Not 1600. 63,184,616. That's over 63 MILLION people.
@93 Not too bad until 1816. From 1816, just argie bullshit. 1816 - not legal. Can't “inherit”. 1820 - not legal. A pirate.
Dear Gustbury
Feb 26th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your history is confused. please refer to Think or your “National Archives”.
1n 1833 the only people expelled from the islands were the 50 or so who had arrived on the Salido 2 months earlier. It is very clear in your own National Archives.
Nobody from the Vernet community was expelled. Vernet himself was absent (as presumably was his daughter) and Brisbane (British) was his appointed deputy.
So, if you want to use Vernet (not Argentine, not present in 1833) in your argument, you must do as he did and recognise his deputy, Brisbane who was British.
So, when HMS Clio arrived the leader of the civilian community which wasn't expelled was British.
The only folk who were expelled we're the pirates, usurpers, rapists, murderers, mutineers, militia, deportees...who'd arrived 2 months earlier.
So...I couldn't give a crap whether you think a minor event in 1833 was “illegal”. So unsure of you of its illegality you have to lie about other events to try and dress it up.
Less than 60 people for fewer than 60 days....pathetic
I think Argentina would be a lot happier if it concentrated on fixing its own problems and spent a little less time looking avaricously at other peoples land. I know it's kind of hypocritical making that point as a citizen of a country who had the worlds largest empire. But trust me we were kind of good at the empire building thing and from our perspective Argentina is a bit rubbish at it. You huff and you puff but when it comes down to it your really not much of a threat and your certainly not in our league. Britain over a very long period of time has been tougher and/ or cleverer than its rivals and those rivals were proper countries (unlike the Banana Republic of Argentina).I think the problem is that a lot of Latin Americans think that we're a spent force and that we're basically just another toothless EU state. To assume that we're weak or that we would roll over and give up the Falklands is a gross misjudgement, which will end badly for any opponent who “bets the farm ”on it being true.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My prediction is that in about 40 years the Falklands dispute will be over. The discovery of offshore oil will bring prosperity to the Falklands. The population will grow in line with the oil wealth. In about 30 or so years the population will 30 or 40 thousand. and be of enough of a critical mass that they'll have a vote on independence and this will inevitably be accepted by the UN (especially when some big countries have oil assets in Falklands Waters.
The really galling thing for Argentina is that there's absolutely nothing they can do to prevent this. So Argentina wouldn't it be better for all of us if you just ran along and started to play nice and maybe if your really good we may give you a slice of the South Atlantic oil action.
#91
Feb 26th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yes they can !
#99
I see that you have your anal fixation to the fore.
You should visit a good proctologist and have it fixed
#88
No, we will not shut up. It's so entertaining to read your well thought out postings in impeccable English full of cogent points relating to the sovereignty of the islands. In fact, it makes my day to think that Argentina is full of raving loonies foaming at the mouth in impotent rage. Please continue in this vein as it shows impartial visitors to this site the kind of people the Falkland islanders would have to deal with if Argentina got anywhere near them. Every time you post you promote the Falklander's cause. Keep up the good work !
Technically you cannot support the people of Libya, to have the right to choose who governs them,
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Syria , and afghan , and Egypt , Ireland , Somalia , morocco , Mali , even the united states war of independence, and every other peoples around the world over decades , to choose who governs them,
Then say, except the Falklands islanders, they have no right to decide who governs them,
Is then democracy to be replaced by absolutism.
Argentina should tread very carefully,
The world is not yet ready for another dictator.
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@93 Gustbury
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say all the inhabitants were expelled in 1833.
So answer this...
How could Antonio “El Gaucho” Rivero and his friends still be in the islands in 1834?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Rivero
now you have stumped him,
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he will now change either the date or the subject .lol.
In 1833
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No inhabitant was expelled from the islands
No civilian was expelled from the islands
Noone born on the islands was expelled from the islands
Noone who had been on the islands for more than 2 months was expelled from the islands.
No “original population”, No “Argentine inhabitants”, Noone except 50 or so vagabonds, deportees, militia, murderers, rapists and mutineers were expelled, and they'd only been there 2 months, Britain warned they would be before they arrived.
Argie lies.
Why do we bother with these Argentine trolls just like there leader they speak and write history to suit Argentina truth or not
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they speak with forked tongue.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lease keep up, no OIL in the FALKLANDS ,you are having a laugh aren't you?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rockhopper oil have found 500 million barrels of oil in the SEA LION prospect. If you do not believe me, feel free to go to Rockhopper website as research it.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
“ExxonMobil International Chairman Brad Corson told us he does not believe there is enough oil on the Falkland Islands Continental Shelf to be profitable, citing Shell's earlier oil exploration attempts which they abandoned,” the cable read.
Exxon is the world's largest oil company not owned by a government
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/03/wikileaks-falklands-oil-idUSLDE6B20WC20101203
Proof that Cameron lied over oil find in the Falkland Islands
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/03/wikileaks-falklands-oil-idUSLDE6B20WC20101203
Anyway NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE WITHOUT ARGENTINA LAND BASE INFRASTRUCTURE
AHAHAHAHA Poor deluded ex empire.so far from home...so idiotic..
Gustbery- HOW do you explain then the lady who was the last survivor of the 22 civilians who STAYED in the Islands after the Brtish arrived in Jan 1833 - being buried in Stanley Cemetery as she died in Stanley in 1868?
Feb 26th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HOW do you explain that the 22 people who voluntarily stayed in the Islands and accepted british rule - are listed in your own National Archives in Mar del Plata? - HOW?
Oh and dates a bit muddled - yes the Brits arrived in 1765- they left in 1770 forced out by a large Spanish Fleet! They returned in 1772/3 after UK and Spain nearly went to war over the Islands and in the end Spain backed down and gave up the settlement at Saunders Is back to Britain by Treaty.
They left again a few years later due to UK Govt cutbacks - nothing at all to do with Spain. And yes a plaque was indeed left reminding any visitor that the place belonged to King George 3rd.
Oh and the British made the first RECORDED landing in 1690 when the Islands were formally claimed for UK.
And Vernet by the way also sought permission from the UK to come to the islands.
If you want to quote history - fine - but quote it ALL - not just a twisted Arg version.
@Malvinero1 Should you not be paying more attention to THE LADY WHORE (Argentines own words) Crissy Kirchner who with her son is bleading Argentina dry.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina Kirchner / Official
•Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.
The only people DELUDED are Argentines having to put up with a bitch like Kirchner first Nestor now Crissy.
Malvinero1 TELL US ALL WHAT'S IT LIKE TO ALWAYS BE ON THE LOSING SIDE?????
@107
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure in 2019 when 80000 barrels per day are leaving the Floating Production and Storage and Offloading facility and being shipped to Cape Town (one of your new allies LOL!!) you will still be here pretending it's not going on.
It seems that Noble, EDF-Edison and Premier Oil all disagree with you too.
But then you are a complete fucking moron living in a shithole of a country which the whole world laughs at.
Why do these Argentine trolls disapear after a good verbal slapping down???
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 95&65
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably, the administration's shills speak out of both sides of their mouths at the same time. But, one can easily tell when they are lying....when their lips are moving.
I'm afraid that Obuma's hatred of Great Britain is very evident in light of all of the personal baggage he is carrying.
@Uncle Sam, I still believe what The Obama administration is saying in public is totally different to what they say behind closed doors to The British,but we will have to wait and see if anything is said after the referendum.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107
Feb 26th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE WITHOUT ARGENTINA LAND BASE INFRASTRUCTURE”
1/- Rubbish-they can pump the goods straight into a ship, Argentine facilities now redundant-your fault-you missed out *BIG RASPING RASPBERRY TO YOU*
2/- The absence of Argentine facilities means the FI will build their own-your finnacial loss, you shot yourselves in the foot. Have an Agincourt sign with my pleasure.
3/-You will lose a lot of business in the South Atlantic when the deep water port is built in the FI-and that's only the beginning-the Falkland Islands do something you can't-when they don't get help off you they go it alone or get help from someone else-again your financial loss-your stupidity.
@107
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvi
Do keep up, Exxon Mobil said they thought there was no oil in the FALKLANDS.
The emphasis is the word THOUGHT ( he did not know.) Anyway the FALKLANDERS do not need any infrastructure in Argentina as they are using a floating platform and tankers to take the oil to market. Unfortunately Argentina wont be able to buy the oil as it has to be paid upfront abd in U$D.
Again, if you do not believe me, feel free to go to Rockhopper website and confirm. Anyway the UK has not financed any oil exproration in the FALKLANDS. NOBLE ( US Company ) ROCKHOPPER ( UK Company ) DESIRE ( UK Company ) BORDERS AND SOUTHERN ( UK Company ) FALKLAND OIL AND GAS ( UK Company ) Please feel free to research all their websites.
'A group of British citizens today expressed solidarity with Argentina and protested in London against vulture funds, on the eve of the court hearing to be held in New York.'
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://noticias.terra.com.ar/britanicos-protestaron-en-londres-en-apoyo-de-argentina-y-contra-los-fondos-bu,504ed298f041d310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
All bad news to kelpers:
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* referendum circus has not int´support
* ARG has the support of almost all the countries
* UK was accused in the UN to introduce nuclear weapons in the South Altlantic.
the UK angry answer:
* more pirates ships to the South Atlantic.
bad, very bad ...
@116 The guy (not group) didn't seem to have a very british name and was married to an argentine. I'm guessing it's another one of these events staged by argies for argies.
Feb 26th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don't seem to be able to get enough of them
117 nitrojuan
Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* referendum circus has not int´support
Err, yes it does and no amount of kicking and screaming you do will alter that. TMBOA has called your next door neighbours “taitors” for saying that they want to send someone to observe the referendum.
* ARG has the support of almost all the countries
The only countries that you can get to support you are themselves corrupt. Your politcan's can only run around like headless chickens, “playing” at politic's and embarrassing themselves and your country on the world stage ( again ) strangely, they never seem to get tired of doing that.....
* UK was accused in the UN to introduce nuclear weapons in the South Altlantic.
Where's your proof loser boy? where is your proof? Hysterical outbursts at the UN by some second rate Agentine “Yes” man do not count as proof, so really, as you can see, your country sucks!!
That's right your president, her party and all those in it suck!! They all suck the rigid c**k of Satan....
Now then nitrojuan, why don't you go and do juan?
P.S:- how long is it until the Referendum?? It is in March sometime isn't it? and isn't that the same month that the main Bridge gets fitted to HMS Queen Elizabeth?
So it's all looking good for us!!!
Are you having a nice inflation? How are those murder rates coming along? and what about all that curruption in the police / government / law courts??
Typical Americans, they want everybody's help in fighting their wars but won't give anything in return. They even threaten the UK not to leave the EU, if they like it so much then they can have it .
Feb 26th, 2013 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck with your referendum in March, give the MBOA a bloody nose and tell her where to stick it.
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There are words,
Feb 27th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0And then there are better words,
There are some words,
that shatter illusions and send shivers down the spines of CFK and her government,
[The British are coming]
These Are just 4 of those words ..m.
.
It does not take a doctorate in Political Science to see the US and Britain are very close allies. Some of you guys on this forum should re-read this article, slowly and carefully. Its not appropriate at this time for Kerry to say much more about the Falklands. Its all about the PEOPLE and the what the Falklands PEOPLE will say will lead the way.
Feb 27th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0READ PIRATES!!!
Feb 27th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201302/8579-la-prensa-britanica-del-siglo-xviii-refleja-la-historiografia-y-los-derechos-argentinos-sobre-malvinas.html
@124 - So you would have us believe an article written in Telam and based on research by Telam would you.
Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Telam is a government-owned entity under the control of the Secretaría de Comunicación Pública (Communications Ministry) - Which says all that needs to be said really, indoctrination and misleading article!
@117
Feb 27th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“* UK was accused in the UN to introduce nuclear weapons in the South Altlantic.”
So what?
This might be breaking news for you but the UK does not need to target Argentina with nukes as your country and armed forces are falling apart.
Something your stupid, idiotic, brain deficient, moronic government haven't worked out yet is that Britain's nuclear weapons would never be launched from the South Atlantic as the submarine would put as much distance (ie 7000 miles) from the target as possible .
Why would the UK want to destroy Argentina when CFK is doing a good job of that all by herself?
What is Argentina going to say when Brazil operates nuclear powered submarines?
@120
Feb 27th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The WoW has just resigned! There is hope for the UK yet.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment221484: Of more interest is what is the UK going to say when Brazil operates nuclear submarines?
Feb 27th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@128 - Hepatia
Feb 27th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should the UK care if Brazil has nuclear powered subs?
The only ones making a fuss over it is Argenrtina.
Or do you still believe that you'll get all of your neighbours to fight your wars for you? Why should they?
Brazil and the UK have very good relations: politcally and in trade. In fact, it's probably a much better relationship than Argentina has with Brazil right now.
In regards to the article, this isn't news. The US will remain neutral right now because they know these things:
1. The UK has control 0over the Islands.
@128
Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of more interest is what is the UK going to say when Brazil operates nuclear submarines?”
Britain won't bat an eyelid unless they are actually attacked. Brazil won't fight for Argentina.
it is Argentina with the paranoia about nuclear armed subs, that are unlikely to be in the South Atlantic in any case and will not need to target Argentina. Argentina will only be attacked by the UK if the UK is attacked, which would almost certainly spell the end for the Argentine military.
@128 Hepatia
Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What it is your problem with nuclear powered subs ?
131 agent999
Feb 27th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like all the Malvanistas she does not understand nuclear powered and nuclear armed.
They are both the same, arn't they!
LOLs
Following on from post 129 (posted too soon - damned iPhones and their little buttons).
Feb 27th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In regards to the article, this isn't news. The US will remain neutral right now because they know these things:
1. The UK already has sovereignty over the Islands.
2. Argentina hasn't got the international support at the UN.
3. Argentina hasn't got the military capability to threaten the Falklands.
4. The referendum is supported by the UN.
5. By remaining neutral they get the best of both worlds - LATAM happy, US not interfering, UK happy US not interfering.
All the Malvinistas crowing on here obviously don't understand the true facts, but that isn't news either.
However, should push ever come to shove, the US may be forced off the fence. Considering how Argentina have upset the Americans; illegally boarding their military plane, refusing to pay back all the money you borrowed, getting into bed with Venezula, Cuba and now Iran; it's a wonder why the Malvinistas suddenly believe that the US would back them over their greatest ally and friend.
What will Britian say when Brazil operates nuclear submarines?
Feb 27th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about, “Would you like us to show you how to do that, safely?”
You have to laugh at their neivity. They seem to think that to operate a nuclear submarine all you have to do is jump in to it and drive it away, like it was some car you collected from the show room. They do not seem to realise that building them is the easy bit!
Also love how they attach themselves to Brazils coat tails, like it was their acheivement.
@135 sussie
Feb 27th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hi must be your bedtime
134 reality check
Feb 27th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it seems that Brasil is finding it more difficult than they thought to build their subs even though they have Dutch experts to help them.
The other laughable thing is to think that when they have a sub they are the equal of the Brits and the Yanks and can take them on wit impunity.
The argies will NEVER have their own nuclear powered sub in the water, never mind combat. They are converting one of the old Thyssen 1700s: cut the pressure hull to fit the reactor and the kettle and then weld it up again! Would you trust your life to an argie weld job?
And they expect this prototype to be quiet; I bet it bubbles like a kettle. Our subs won't need the sophisticated listening equipment that they have; a doctors stethoscope on the inside of the hull would do it.
You have to thank these deluded idiots for bringing such joy and laughter to our lives though.
LOLs
24 Raul
Feb 27th, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the the UK is, and always has been in compliance with international law. Resolutions from the UN, unless issued by the Security Council are not international law, they are merely advisements. There is no relevance at all of political support or lack of to what is a strictly a legal issue
117 nitrojuan
“referendum circus has not int´support”. They have the legal right, so its not dependent on vox populi.
Blind Mans Bluff.......a very good book for them to read what they are up against in Sub Warfare.
Feb 27th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment221574: But the US neutrality is not good enough for the UK. This is why Hague insists on raising the issue!
Feb 27th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet....we all know what Kerry told him out of earshot.
Feb 28th, 2013 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! poor Britons...
Feb 28th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0No money, no carriers, no jets, no army, no power, no jobs, no economy, no AAA, no support from US, no special relationship and no brain anymore.
It is not really humiliating?
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment221649: That's not exactly true. I do not know what Secretary Kerry has said “out of earshot.” You apparently do - despite, as you admit, not having the possibility of hearing what was said.
Feb 28th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should tell us all exactly what was said.
141 DanyBerger
Feb 28th, 2013 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your getting confused the Brits don't want for anything. They enjoy possession of the islands, they are in all sense of the word winners. While you lot in the common parlance are complete losers.
@Terence Hill
Feb 28th, 2013 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Loser!
I cannot find you on my records, last pyjamas party you have attended please?
Or
Postcode and Mosque please?
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Feb 28th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@142
Feb 28th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0A stance of neutrality in regard to a status quo which Argentina considers unacceptable hardly counts as a ringing endorsement of Argentina. It hardly counts as a repudiation of the UK, given that no endorsement of the UK's position is necessary to support the status quo.
@146 - HansNiesund
Feb 28th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to remember that when the Argentines hear 'neutral' they remember their 'neutrality' during the war. You know, the neutrality that leaned heavily towards the Nazi's.
They also seem to forget that the USA was neutral at the start of the war, but their 'neutrality' leaned heavily towards the Allies, until they finally realised that neutrality wasn't really possible.
Dany also forgets that the USA were neutral during the Falklands War. Yet they still assisted the UK from behind the scenes.
Unlike Argentina, the UK are secure in their sovereignty position on the Falklands. We have history, truth and international law on our side. Therefore we don't require a statement in support of our position from every foreign visitor of note that visits the UK.
I'm sure the Falklands were discussed, among other more pressing matters, such as North Korea, Syria, Iran and Argentina's new alliance with Iran.
Such things are done behind the scenes, and not in public. That is what diplomacy is about.
But Dany, (who is a self proclaimed military genius - who is willing to sacrifice 10,000 Argentine soldiers to invade the Falklands - but not himself of course), forgets that the UK doesn't actually require the USA's help over the Falklands.
Yes it would be good if the US acknowledged the referendum, but it isn't necessary.
Obama might be the most anti-British President that the US has had in a long time, but he only has a few more years to serve then he's out on his ear. He also has to keep the Senate and Congress on his side, many of whose members do back the right of people to determine their own future.
But as I said, it doesn't really matter. The US will maintain the status quo, the Falklanders will vote to maintain the status quo, and Argentina will continue to lie, cry, weep, crawl and beg, in the hopes someone of note will take some notice of them.
No money, no carriers, no jets, no army, no power, no jobs, no economy, no AAA, no support from US, no special relationship and no brain anymore.
Feb 28th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0////////////////////////
and Argentina still has not got the balls to do anything.lol.
Guys as far I know Argentina still won 4 wars and UK only 1 (lucky one I should say).
Mar 01st, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the last war in 1982 they gave you a good fight and you got pretty heavy losses.
Sure will be very sad for you to see your entire RN sank in the cold waters in the SA.
@149 Dany
Mar 01st, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has won many wars in our history.
Argentina has NEVER won a war without the help of allies. But that isn't something to be ashamed about. The UK has often won wars because we had allies.
However, the Falklands War was one against one.
Argentina had all the advantages:
1. Proximity - far closer to Argentina than the UK, so resupply should've been easier for Argentina than the UK.
2. Argentina's fighting strength was larger (in other words you had more men).
3. Argentina's equipment was, for the most part, newer and more modern than the British equipment.
4. Argentina had a land base, the UK had to rely on Aircraft Carriers as a base.
Because of these facts, EVERY military expert in the world said that the British couldn't possibly win the Falklands War.
Yet we did win. So even when Argentina had all of the advantage, you still didn't win. You say it was luck. Well luck is important in a war. But the reality is that our men were better trained and more motivated than yours were.
Ah...but I forgot, you're a military genius, aren't you Dany? How many men are you willing to sacrifice in a futile attempt to invade and steal someone else's homes? Ten thousand, wasn't it?
Of course, you couldn't even tell me how you would get these 10,000 sacrificial lambs to the Islands, let alone how you would resupply them, or evacuate the wounded.
The RN has some of the most advanced military vessels in the world. More advanced than the US has right now.
And Argentina has...military vessels that sink in their own harbour, that break down due to lack of maintenance and spare parts. Argentina that can't even buy the spare parts, let alone new vessels. Argentina is teetering on the brink of financial ruin AGAIN.
The UK doesn't need anyone's help regarding Argentina. Argentina, however, is constantly running around begging and crawling to people to support them, and at best they get ambiguous statements that say the UK and Argentina should talk.
Pathetic!
#150
Mar 01st, 2013 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would not even bother replying to him. His only motive is to try and wind you up. Even he knows that he talks crap.
For example, no carriers. A few days ago, I was watching HMS Illustrious sailing on the Clyde. It looked suspiciously like a carrier to me. I checked on ais ship plotter and she is reported as being in Loch Long at 1000GMT.
As to sinking the entire RN in the S.Atlantic, he personally must have invented a new secret weapon unknown even to his feeble military.
His next post will refer to pyjamas and kebabs. I think he is worried that his beloved Argentina will be Muslim within a couple of generations - it would probably be an improvement on what they have now.
As Dany is a joint passport holder, I cannot take him seriously. He needs two nationalities as bolt holes in case Argentina really goes down the plug hole.
Ah, there is nothing new under the sun- including
Mar 01st, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wishy-washy US secretaries of state!
Philippe
@151 - Clyde15
Mar 01st, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know but it is fun winding him up and watching him go off on a mad rant, that just shows him up for the fool he is.
He is very similar to Pirat-Hunter. That is, they both think they are military genii, because they have played Medal of Honor and Risk, and truly believe war is like that.
Both of them would be crying for their mothers and home comforts if they ever really had to go to war, and deal with the privations that are part and parcel of a serviceman's life whilst on operations.
@ LEPWrong
Mar 01st, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t worry you sure will find out if you are right in the next war.
For those who don't know, the courts ordered a alternative payment plan and Kirchner said she will pay MNL
Mar 01st, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/01/argentina-debt-president-idUSL1N0BT2HQ20130301?feedType=RSS&feedName=marketsNews&rpc=43
@154 Dany
Mar 02nd, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0What next war? With Argentina?
Argentina's military is pathetically weak because of the lack of financing by the Argentine government.
Oh I know what you and your ilk are hoping. You are hoping that there will be a united LATAM force that will invade the Falklands for Argentina.
Yet that, like everything else you believe, is a pipe dream. Why should the rest of LATAM risk war, not only with the UK, but with NATO, for Argentina's colonial ambitions?
In regards to war, I've fought in one. They're not pretty or easy or comfortable. You don't know when the shooting will start, and you don't know when the shooting will finally stop.
Before you go glorifying war, Dany, you should speak to some of those Argentine veterans from the Falklands War.
Get them to tell you about the harsh conditions they had to live in, the fear that they lived under of not knowing when or where they would be attacked. The fear in knowing that there was no where to retreat to because they had been abandoned by the Argentine Navy.
You are a naive fool. You believe war is a game. You believe war is just a matter of pointing some weapons at a target and saying 'GO!'
Fortunately for Argentina, you are not in charge. You would quite willingly send hundreds of men to a senseless death just to 'get your kicks'.
Wars are brutal, and wars have consequences. In 1982, the principle of achieving air superiority wasn't really applied, and the UK paid for that with several vessels being sank.
The whole world learned from our mistakes, as did we. If Argentina should be stupid enough to attack the Falklands again, the 1st thing the UK would do is wipe out your airforce, your radar installations, and any anti-air defences that you had. That means we would bomb mainland Argentina, and we wouldn't have to be close to shore. In 2002 our submarines fired missiles at targets in Afghanistan from the middle of the Indian Ocean. Thats about 1000 miles.
So UK vs Arg. UK win. No contest really! :D
156 LEPRecon
Mar 02nd, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Dunny-Burger has fired a fully automatic FAL. Being FA he didn't hit a thing 'but it made him wet himself'.
LOLs
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Mar 02nd, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They really need an age requirement here. Can someone please define “skare” to me? lol
Mar 03rd, 2013 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@157 - ChrisR
Mar 03rd, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL.
He'd probably sh!t himself if someone actually fired back at him then! :D
@160
Mar 03rd, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So that explains it. I heard he'd joined a fascist group called the Brown Shorts, but I thought it was just called that because they ran out of shirts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderick_Spode
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Mar 03rd, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#162
Mar 03rd, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the inarticulate and feeble minded are out in force tonight.
#163
Mar 04th, 2013 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0come on
let face it
nobody is taking merco=british crap=news __seriously
this is a circus=circus web site
you are a clown
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
@163 Clyde
Mar 04th, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Speak of the 'feeble-minded' and they appear @164
#164
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I said -feeble minded as your posting confirms. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja ?
Anyone who posts this series of meaningless vowels ending in what appears to be a Nazi salute - jajaja mein fuhrer - qualifies ( in spades) for this accolade.
Also, if Mercopress is so biased, why don't you just ignore it ?
@LEPWrong
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You were serving coffee in the army so please keep talking about economy what is your strongest subject. Especially that about why UK will never lose AAA rating.
Ah! I forgot that you also were miserably wrong about it.
No need to talk about what would happen as I said you will find out in the next war (very close I should say).
@167 Dunny-Burger
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If and that is a big if, TMBOA tries to invade the Falklands (there are still no Malvinas you twat) we know one thing for certain, YOU won't be part of it.
Even if you were in AR you would run away and hide in case the military find out you fired a FA SLR!
They will be desperate to find some brain dead bastard who is stupid enough to think these things are actually of some use: but they have found it in you!
Just think, eternity in Darwin Cemetery with all the other forgotten soldiers by you ‘government’? You know it makes sense.
#167
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What war is this that is SO close. From CFK's speech to congress.
Insisting with dialogue the Argentine president said “we believe diplomacy is the only thing we have to defend peace” and highlighted that “yes, we want sovereignty over the Islands but we want it in peace”, a value no one talks about.
And peace is important “because we had nothing to do with that dictatorship we Argentines suffered and endured and we all repudiate” and was involved in the military adventure in the Islands.
So, you are saying CFK is a liar ? She is planning a war?
An interesting point of view from a rabid supporter of Argentina.
So. enlighten us, how soon will this war start and where are you going to get the troops and equipment to wage it. Has the Argentinian defense minister given you a selective briefing on this matter and asked for the benefit of your extensive knowledge and insight into all things military ?
Or are you just bullshitting as usual because you have nothing of value or interest to say on this subject.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment223080: There will be no war over Las Malvinas for the simple reason that one is not necessary. The UK will be returning Las Malvinas back to Argentina peacefully.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0#170
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK will be returning Las Malvinas back to Argentina peacefully.”
I am caught in the revolving door AGAIN !
You continually post the same lines over and over again, ad nauseum but NEVER give any reasoning behind it except “because”
How can we return something to Argentina if they have never owned it ?
You obviously have no idea of the British psyche. In our history, we have stood up solidly against bullies, even when we could have stood aside and reaped some benefits.
It is a mistake that Argentina should not make again.
If Argentina had acted as a friendly, non aggressive neighbour to the Falkland islanders, they MAY have wished for some close association which in future years MAY have resulted in them joining a federation with them. Argentina has blown this out of the water for as far as anyone can see.
So, learn another song, this one has gone stale.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment223841: As a matter of fact I did make a few attempts to explain why the UK will be returning Las Malvinas to Argentina. However, the problem is that this venue has a 2000 character limit. I you wish to know the reason that the UK will be returning Las Malvinas I suggest that you subscribe to a reputable journal, such as FA.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Returning to the issue, in the interval, the UK's current refusal to return Las Malvinas serves as the perfect political irritant which politicians may use to grow the pearls of support that they need. So there is no incentive for Argentina to treat the territory held by the rebels any differently. And why the UK should want to provide this service is not clear to me. Must have something to do with the inscrutable “British psyche”.
#172
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep referring to “return the islands.” This implies that Argentina has sovereign rights to the territory.
The UK vehemently denies this and is quite happy with their claim to sovereignty.
You have prejudged the issue in favour of Argentina probably from an anti-British viewpoint.
You call the islanders rebels - against whom ? They were never governed from Argentina except for a criminal act in 1982.
No, you would not understand the British psyche. It requires an element of moral courage, at present sadly lacking in Argentina.
I have no idea of your nationality. It has been suggested that you were Dutch, if so, remember that we liberated your country from Nazism. We could have made a deal with Hitler and left Europe in the sticky stuff. We took the dangerous tough option and put our country in great danger. Maybe that explains the British psyche.
Any future discussion on this subject is pointless. You have an opinion set in concrete and would brook no opinion which might point you in a different direction.
Like the Argentinian schoolchildren, it is rammed into them at primary school as Holy Writ and cannot be discussed or questioned.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/25/kerry-refuses-to-comment-on-falklands-referendum-us-position-remains-unchanged#comment224151: The islanders are rebels because they deny the legitimate sovereignty of Argentina over its territory.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm Dutch!? News to me. Still it seems that, until recently, I was Argentinian. So the obvious question is now, in your distorted view of the world is it better to be Argentinian or Dutch? Has my change from one arbitrarily chosen nationality to the other raised or lowered my status? Or would I be better having the nationality of a third nation? These are very weighty questions.
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