MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina has 1.8 million foreign immigrants: mostly from neighbouring countries
Immigrants in Argentine represent 4.5% of the population and 85% of them come from neighbouring South American countries according to the latest report from the International Migration Organization. The figure is an estimated 1.8 million foreigners of which 550.713 are from Paraguay; 345.272 from Bolivia; 191.147 from Chile and 157.514 from Peru. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI guess everything calms down in time, and invaders breed their way to becoming indiginants.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Similar to the Norman take over of the 'UK' 10 centuries ago, in another millenium, the foreigners that have taken over most of the Americas will themselves become the indiginants. By a mixture of cross-breeding, reservification and extermination.
The IMO is just talking about local genes crossing local borders.
What makes an American (Ar, Br, TFI, US, ..) indiginant?
Quite a contrast between Argentina and Brazil/Uruguay/Chile.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The latter three countries treat immigrants like SHIT, Chile puts mines along the border, and deports illegals on the spot. Uruguay has stringent laws and is buffered by Argentina. Brazilian officials and police can be utter asses against the Paraguayans and Bolivians.
That 5% of non-argentines does not count the fact that there have been multiple amnesties, nor does it count the children of immigrants, which tend to have 2-3 more children than white argentines. And then you must count the Asians, which have increased a lot, the Africans, and the remaining older nationals from Europe.
Overall, the immigrant population is probably well over 10% of the country, perhaps even closer to 15%.
If they were all deported, poverty in Argentina would go from 25% to probably 15%, and many of the “villas” would dissapear.
I do not advocate mass deportations, that is stuff cruel societies like Europe and the USA do. What I am saying is that all of you here that make “fun” of Argentina's poverty rate fail to admit Argentina shelters the poor from all of South America and beyond even.
If Chile and Uruguay did the same, their poverty rates would skyrocket. And lets remember that in the 70s and 80s Argentina received hundreds of thousands of Chileans. Had they stayed, Chile would have significant higher poverty as well (and if they received even 1/10 as many Paraguayans, Bolivians, and Peruvians as we do).
The Migrations office is a cruel joke. They create incentives for bringing in those that are most likely to support the K's, which generally are comprised of street scum willing to join La Campora, or praise Cristina. They come to enjoy the free money, and lack of consequences for their criminal behavior.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People that don't match that profile, who are generally earnest hardworking country folk, university educated, or have a decent work ethic are treated like garbage and given extra bureaucratic obstacles.
Introllregnums got it? I think.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ppl who originated Argentina were well-off. The second-born, 3rd born, etc., sons of Europe.
They were given inheritance money but not property, so traveled on.
Later, in the mid-1900s, there were so few dirty hands that the Arg gov ran a campaign where they PAID for poor people to immigrate, & work the land/labor).
The demographics changed. Those first families are likely still financially rich, just diluted by the many, and the return of indigeneous ppls.
It's similar to how the American South (second born, etc sons of North Europe) brought in African-Americans for plantations. Once freed?
They made the South (once WEALTHY cotillion holders) count as one of the poorest places in North America.
To this day, New Orleans (majority black city) has a gun homicide rate of 69.1 out of every 100k ppl.
( Whereas Hawaii's TOTAL homicide rate is 1.4/100,000 people.)
So the newest demographic are poorer than Argentines- “Looking for pay better than their own country”.
If it's the educated young Spaniards come for something to do, then the Arg coffers still go up. Just like HB-1s enrich U.S. IP.
But if it's ppl like Paraguayans coming for the social services and labor, then Argentina avg pay falls, to a level more like the surrounding countries.
Maybe the indigenous deserve their help from white Argentina, tho :) :)
Toby,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all well and good to enjoy your vendimia but sober up a bit before writing such nonsense:
“Overall, the immigrant population is probably well over 10% of the country, perhaps even closer to 15%.”
Don't be dopey, about 98% of you are immigrants.
“Chile puts mines along the border”.
So does Argentina and in neither case is it to control immigration.
We treat immigrants like shit? Well if you are referring to the Bolivian soldiers' armed incursion, then a couple of weeks of detention seems reasonable to me. Other than that immigrants are treated about the same as everyone else.
“in the 70s and 80s Argentina received hundreds of thousands of Chileans. Had they stayed, Chile would have significant higher poverty”
Given that we are more productive than you lot it would stand to reason that if you had fewer Chileans participating in your economy you would be poorer for it. But I have to admit if the Chilena that spawned Nestor K had stayed home you would have been better for it.
“If Chile and Uruguay did the same, their poverty rates would skyrocket”
Total nonsense. The number of Peruvians, Colombians, Argies and Spanish entering Chile in the last decade has skyrocketed, yet this coincides with a reduction in poverty, lower unemployment, higher wages, etc.
...and just remember your beloved Mendoza province was settled by Chilean colonists, so you might even be Chilean...
Condorito +1
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One small q tho- Peruvians, Colombians, Argentines, Spanish-aren't those relatively educated/wealthy ppl.?
Bolivians & Paraguayans, aren't they more humble?
@Ayayay
Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish are certainly the best educated (I don't mean that as “polite”), they tend to be professionals. The South Americans come in all varieties from menial to professional.
Unemployment is at 6% and the YOY GDP growth in January was 6%. With that level of growth and low unemployment it is easy to find work. Add to that the higher wages than neighboring countries and a solid currency to save your earnings in and you can see why so many come here to work.
“Don't be dopey, about 98% of you are immigrants.”
Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Following my #1 (which jumped to a core point without adressing the differences between 'indigenous', 'immigrant', 'Argentinian', 'American', etc) you are right that just looking at cross-border flows of adjacent peoples disregards recent history of incorporation of (eg) Europeans.
These ex-Europeans now consider themselves as the 'TRUE' Argentinians, with the previous indiginants being an unfortunate abberation of history. The same is true in the USA.
If these recent immigrants (last couple of centuries) do not interbreed with the previous 'races', then they remain occupying immigrants even though the generations pass. They may call themselves Argentinians or 'Americans' but they are not the historic population of those countries.
Hence my question ... just how much of a mix of DNA does it take to move a person from invader/immigrant to Argentinian/'American' to indiginant?
Or can you just buy a selected status - like me having to spend in Brasil the equivalent of US$2000 per month of imported monies to be a Permanent Visa Holder.
Perhaps I can buy myself into becoming a Brasilian!
If 100million Chinese similarly bought their way into, say, Argentina, would they suddenly redefine what it means to be an Argentinian?
Relative numbers .. degree of interbreeding .. time .. history .. politics ..
No wonder C24 has difficulties! It has yet to address the philosophical underpinnings of its remit.
@7, Thx, Condy. Your country is definitely rising.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a new high energy supposedly running from Hawaii to the Chilean-Peruvian Andes.
I'll try to clarify what I meant earlier. Chile is getting Peruvians & Spaniards, you're saying. Argentines are getting mostly Paraguayans & Bolivians by volume, according to Mercopress.
So even though each nation has the full spectrum of workers, sure..
this likely shows that many more college-educated ppl are seeking Chile for work opportunities with growth, and entrepreneurship.
While others are seeking Argentina for their good social services. Which I think CAN BE GREAT too!! Ideally, when ppl aren't 'forced' by taxation to provide it.
(btw, my neighbor on my street went to Chile to work in astronomy recently :B . And my ex's best friend moved from Cali to teach art classes to kids in Santiago! )
@9 Ayayay
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can feel that energy man! Chile and Hawaii are also the locations for the world's most modern and powerful telescopes.
argentina has white people only
Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0england is full with middle east people and africans
Jimmy #11
Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are these 'white people only' the immigrants, the invaders, or the products of these invaders and immigrants?
Jimmy, what happened to all the brown and black ones?
Perhaps its like the Michael Jackson miracle-cream ;-)
Seems Cristina's Argentina is a magnet for immigrants due to its wealth and prosperity, and trying to integrate them ie by giving them the vote. Meanwhile Cameron competes with a party HE HIMSELF, rightly, called “fruitcakes and closet racists”, over who can be “tougher” on immigrants while letting the real causes of our economic woes off scott free. If only we had a governmnet as tough as Cristina, that stood up to banks rather picking on the poor...
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps, B_K, the cockroaches can lead the way.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BK what are you talking about?. Have you ever been to Argentina?
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