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Falklands’ lawmakers underline significance of casting the ballot on March10/11
Falkland Islands members of the Legislative Assembly have stressed the absolute need for a big turn out next March 10/11 when the Islanders will de deciding on their political status and future. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCast your YES vote on the 10th or 11th March then we can decide for ourselves how we want to inforce that decission in the years to come. Remember that The Falkland Islanders emblem says it all. Desire The Right. You all have that right to tell the world how it is and if you don't you will be kicking yourself for the rest of your life.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cast your NO vote on 10th or 11th March in the non-decision making Referendum and demonstrate to the world that you do have the competence to decide your own future. Remember a No vote is not a vote for absorption by Argentina or a vote for independence. It indicates a political maturity that is denied to a Yes vote and sets you of on the path to true self determination. Remember too, a YES vote is a yes to continuing colonialism which will be hard to justify in this the third decade of decolonisation.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Div over dover,out baby kissing :-)))
Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 - this isn't a colonial matter, Diego says so. Do keep up.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@02 Think/Dame Dover
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh, quiet for so long, the serpent raises its head.
'Hsssssssssssssss'
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that's three responses completely lacking in intellectual content.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could someone explain to me how a no vote “sets you of on the path to true self determination” whereas a yes vote would not?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely a vote in either direction is an exercise in self determiation (which is probably why Argentina objects to it so much)?
A “NO” vote indicates you are unhappy with the current position, and would like change, perhaps independence. But, if the majority votes “No”, further debate will have to take place, and more options put forward at a future ballot.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0A “Yes” vote would be taken as happy with the status quo, and there would be no appetite to change anything.
@7 DoD / Think
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you know very well, BA is praying for a low turn out and/or a high No vote as this would indicate internal apathy/division on the Falklands and cause confusion internationally. I'm surprised you would attempt to advise the islanders so badly - though I understand that as you are running out of options it was probably worth a punt.
@8 I can try.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Referendum is a public relations exercise to address third party concerns about the status quo in the FI. The status quo is a UK possession governed from London but without elected representation in the UK parliament. This marks it out as a colonial situation.
The Referendum is consultative not definitive. A YES vote will change nothing and shows the world that the electorate is not competent to challenge UK colonial domination (for whatever reason). However, the preamble points out that a NO Vote will prompt a debate that should identify acceptable change. This outcome shows political maturity when compared to a supine YES vote. It offers a path to a self determination that will be acceptable to the audience.
@11
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't live here so your opinion counts for diddly-squat
As for “challenging UK colonial domination” we are not a colony so there is nothing to challenge. Our relationship with the UK keeps us safe from the RGs and I rather like being able to go back and forth between the UK and FI without needing to get a visa or even a stamp in my passport. A 'yes' vote doesn't mean we will never be independent if we wish for it, it just means we are happy with our relationship with the UK as it stands.
The UK would not stand in our way of becoming bigger and stronger. If we tried to become independent now we would crash and burn, like all the African states did when they chose independence. We are not big enough or strong enough to play in the international sandpit without the big brother UK looking out for us. We will grow and we will mature and one day strike out on our own. But that day in not here yet.
As a matter of interest is anyone apart from our resident(?) Ancient Mariner on here, campaigning for a No vote?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The RGs are
@11 DoD,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing to do with you mate,
Nothing here for you to see,
Move along please, there's a good chap.
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Vote Yes. We will be.
@11 Fellow British Citizen, you are right, I don't live there (now to be precise). Fellow British Citizen, you are also wrong. My opinion counts as much as almost any other British Citizen and, being also a member of the UK electorate, more than some when it comes to the future of this UK possession on which you reside courtesy of our generosity.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0And my advice to the electorate in the Referendum is free, too. If you and they are too politically immature to take it, so be it. You are thus doomed to be the subject of the UN Decolonisation Committee in perpetuity with its concomitant opportunity for Argentina to annually rattle the cage in the C24 and the UN Political and Decolonisation Committee . Still, it gives someone from the Islands a trip to New York each year, so it's not all bad.
What's wrong with the status quo?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some people keep trying to make out that this is a bad thing. But if the people want it then there's nothing wrong with it.
Free will really upsets some people.
11 Doveoverdover
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The referendum is the UN authorized right, of the islanders exercise of self-determination. That is simply your unqualified humble opinion. It is legally recognized, and in point of fact, given credence by Argentina. By her failure to legally challenge the referendum, her acquiescence gives tacit acceptance to it.
@17 The people who are making out that the status quo is a bad thing are the advocates of decolonisation (such as the SG of the UN who is only reflecting the institutional will of his employers the member States of the UN). The result is that the FI remain one of the 16 NSGT still on the list. This is a bad thing from my point of view because it provides Argentina with a world forum to challenge British (UK actually) sovereignty over the Islands and to feed their own colonial aspirations.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now anyone who thinks a YES vote (100% or not) will shut Argentina up is naive. It won't even shut up the C24 because it is a vote for an unacceptable (to them) situation. It will make no difference. The debate promised by a NO vote, on the other hand, would be a positive sign and one that might lead to a plan for decolonisation and a removal from the list. No Surrender is a stirring motto but hardly likely to sway the neutral observer.
@18 Let me think about that before roundly condemning your wholly thinking.
@16 thats one opinion, another however i would not call it “generosity” more so a “duty” to safeguard british territory and to defend the democratic human rights of the Falkland islanders,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“generosity” sounds so belittling towards The Falkland Islanders as was your aim, as a UK electorate also i know of none who have earned more respect than The Hardy Falkland population, and will remain so whatever they decide now or in the future.
SELF-DETERMINATION.......UNs Duty.
@20 I draw your attention to the 2008 Constitution where the Human Rights of the Falkland Island population (not just the electorate) are listed and are guaranteed to be protected under UK legislation. Generosity or duty, it is clearly stated.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the “Hardy Falkland folk”, I have only respect. I even quite admire some of the non-Hardy Falkland folk, newcomers like JB, who are making money after moving there later in life. Cinema, theatre, political life, fine dining and variety of society mean less to some people than others. Each to his own. But being Hardy and thriving while being regularly reinforced by newcomer entrepreneurs from UK only highlights the colonial nature of their situation.
In years to come doverandover, when argentina still has no hold over the Falkland islands, is there an address fellow posters on here can contact you on to remind you of your futile ramblings, and to show you how well http://www.fogl.com/fogl/en/home is doing?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Of course. Every year in June at the foot of the Mercopress article on the C24 deliberations over the Falkland Islands.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 04th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the following article clearly shows, the so called “referendum” on them Islands serves no practical purpouse......
http://tiempo.infonews.com/2013/03/03/editorial-97512-malvinas-no-es-un-caso-de--autodeterminacion.php
Anyhow, from an Argentinean point of wiew, I favour a “YES” vote....
It will show, any lost soul that didn't already knew it, that the British Squatters in Malvinas are only there to serve their Queen and Motherland by stealing territories and resources placed 15,000km from London...
@24:
Mar 04th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still must be driving you nuts knowing there is nothing you can do about it eh?
LMAO.
Another hilarious thread:
Mar 04th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the ideal referendum would be a multi part question, would you prefer to be:
a) A British Overseas territory (Vore YES)
b) a integrated British province with its own MP (Vote no)
c) a fully independent state (Vote No)
d) a province of Argentina (Vote No)
What DoD is pretending to suggest is that there are some who would prefer b and c to a and therefore should vote no.
Of course what he and Think “really want” is for that “double bluff” to work and there to be sufficient NO votes to suggests some want “d”. An interesting double-bluff...the way to show the world that you absolutely don't want “d” is to cast your vote in a way that would provide political capital and a propoganda opportunity to the “d” camp...LOL
The number of islanders who actually want d could be counted on the fingers of one finger!!
@26 The number, if any, supporting each of b-d would be apparent during the subsequent debate and in the election later this year.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 then all the more reason to hold the referendum, if The Falklanders are not happy with their status then the referendum result will show this, will it not?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0however your own personal opinion on one individual does not quite justify your claim of “some” of the Falklanders with a population of nearly 3000,
“Hardy and thriving while being regularly reinforced by newcomer entrepreneurs from UK only highlights the colonial nature of their situation.”
so now UK investment in The Falklands is colonialism? is that what your saying? tell me does your logic apply to just The UK or other countries looking to invest In The Falklands? is UK investment worldwide classed as colonialism or just restricted to The Falklands? what about all countries global investment ?
how do you see investment as colonialism? or as i suspect just like the argentine government your logic is based on its geographical nature.
The Falklands right to exist, is the “Duty” of the masses.....not the “generosity” of the lowly few....
SELF-DETERMINATION!
Dod. = Stink, same person full of anti UK hyperbole, living in Scotland. Nationality unknown. IP address proves it.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting back to the subject, the turnout will be massive, the vote for the status quo will be overwhelming, Rgs will weep. There will be violence, there will be stunts, but its all hot air, Argentina under Peronists is a basket case, doomed to lose more wealth and any remaining influence with the worlds movers and shakers.
SELF DETERMINATION is what counts.
19 Doveoverdover
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't matter whether it shuts up C24 or Argentina since they have no legal power. What is is important who has the legal right. The UK holds exclusive and incontestable sovereignty since before 1982. Argentina had ceded whatever dubious claim she had by her failure to submit the matter to a competent legal body for consideration. This neglect has left the ownership with the UK under the legal principal of extinct prescription. So there is no legal power in the world to alter the situation.
24 Think
“referendum” on them Islands serves no practical purpouse......”
Since the UK holds the sovereignty, the Islanders have the the right to self-determination according to the ICJ precedents.
“But being Hardy and thriving while being regularly reinforced by newcomer entrepreneurs from UK only highlights the colonial nature of their situation.”
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That might be true if the newcomers were all from the UK but considering that they come from all over the world it is just standard immigration.
A vote for Yes doesn't rule out the possibility of future independence but the Falklands aren't ready for that yet in my opinion, certainly not with our noisy neighbor.
HAHAHAHAH That's so funy!!!,the real question is:hey you, you would like to remain a thief parasite occupies the British slave? that trick so cheap!!!
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Undoubtedly the kings of cynicism!!!!
'Quebracho tries to lock a cruise that goes to Falkland - The group led by Fernando Esteche carried out a picket in the port of Ushuaia. They hope to prevent the movement of the ship Star Princess, which is expected to land on the Islands.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The self-styled Revolutionary Quebracho patriotic movement carried out a picket to block the passage of the ship Star Princess in the port of Ushuaia. Led by Fernando Esteche assured in a statement that it is of “a patriotic act in order to stop raised the effective fulfillment of the ' law Gaucho Rivero' before his impending violation by British capital from Falkland Cruises”.
Blocking occurs only days after the referendum to the kelpers held on 10 and 11 March to vote if they wish to continue their status as British overseas territory.
Both Great Britain and the Falkland Islands Legislative Assembly recently raised their protests by the blockade which is exerted to cruise ships. “We are deeply concerned to hear that a cruise company has taken the decision to cancel a visit to the Falkland Islands after a violent act of intimidation against its agents of boarding in Buenos Aires,” had denounced.'
http://www.diariocronica.com.ar/82564-quebracho-intenta-bloquear-un-crucero-que-va-a-malvinas.html
@32:
Mar 04th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn to write English please before posting.
(Your English is pretty bad)
Seems TMBOA is silent over the referendum, why?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could it be it raises doubts in the minds of Argentines as to her Presidential abilities? HANG ON A COTTON-PICKING MINUTE!
The argies will never be in possession of the Islands, never mind the legal owners, EVER. Only Malvanistas and the brain bereft have ever thought otherwise. I don’t think level headed people in AR really think differently to the rest of the world.
Doveoverdover has his own views, but that is all they are and the result will be known soon. Apart from the C24 and all the AR sycophants who make up the membership of the committee, no one else GAF anymore, surely? The C24 is on the way to oblivion.
Only AR will keep up the bleating, howling and wailing in the predictable manner. So what’s new?
The referendum is for the international community, not for Argentina or the C-24 which is recognised a joke and a waste of space anyway. It is a chance for the Islanders to speak up for themselves. No DOD your opinion doesn't count as you won't be voting, I will be. I will vote yes because I believe that there is nothing shameful about being British. I know people like DOD will find that concept hard to believe but I'm not ashamed to be a British Falkland Islander. The Falklands people do not hate the British, we like them and we welcome their support. The UK doesn't give us any aid what-so-ever so we are already doing far better than most countries twice our size who suck up international aid and don't bother to build their countries. We have a budget surplus and we have great plans to build up our home to meet the coming demands. All those plans were made by us, by our elected officals and civil servants, not by HMG. We are a self-governing territory by choice not by force. If this is a too difficult concept for some people to understand then that's your own problem.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People of the Falkland Islands: So there you have it. On the one hand, views from your neighbours, from one of the world's largest democracies and from friends who have fought and died in your defence. On the other, comments from lying argie trolls and from an argie stool pigeon and anarchist.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you all know, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of another state. Do you feel under the immediate political control of the UK? Would you like to be under the immediate political control of argieland? Do you pay any taxes to the UK? Would you like to pay argie taxes? Would you like your country overrun by “people” like “Think”, who probably wants an “estate” where his overseers can whip the “peasants” (that's you) to work harder. Or a tosser like “Gusty” who already thinks of you as slaves. Remember what happened when the argies came to “liberate” you in '82? People are currently looking for gas and oil for you. When it's found, who will it belong to? Has the UK asked you for anything? What do you think argieland would do? What do you want your future to be? Will the UK give you your independence if you want it? Would argieland?
According to General Assembly resolution 1541 (XV) of 1961, there are three ways in which a Non-Self-Governing Territory can exercise self-determination and reach a full measure of self-government:
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 By free association with the administering Power or another independent State as a result of a free and voluntary choice by the people of the Territory expressed through an informed and democratic process;
2 By integrating with the administering Power or another independent State on the basis of complete equality between the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territory and those of the Independent State;
3 By becoming independent.
Whichever option the people of each Non-Self-Governing Territory freely elect, once they understand the possibilities and the special characteristics of their homeland.
The mandate of the Committee of 24 is based on the principle that the result of the decolonization process would be one of the three above mentioned options (free association, integration with an independent State or independence).
However, in 1970, a legal committee of the General Assembly adopted a declaration in which it is stated that, in addition to these three options, the emergence into any other political status, as long as it is freely determined by a people, can also be considered a way of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.
@36FI
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dame Dover characterises the Fslklands as a “colony” and would have everyone believe that it is “governed from London”.
As you point out, you receive no support, except military, and you are self-governed.
I am sure any UK citizen with an ounce of patriotism would consider defence for Falklands a proud duty of the UK.
If Dame Dover were a UK citizen he could, like others, register his frustration with the current UK government when he votes.
As he is actually an Argie finkment of Think's imagination, we know why he is frustrated and he has NO say in the defence and future, of the Falklands.
As to his allusion that he was once a resident of the Falklands - doesn't Think drop cryptic hints about the same thing??? I wonder.
@36 For heavens sake!
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 is a part of the international community as is the Fourth Committee of the UN and the General Assembly.
Are you British or a Falkland Islander - both you say? So what do you mean the Falklanders don't hate the British? Do you mean they don't hate those Brits who are not also Falkland Islanders? Wow, thanks.
No aid whatsoever? Can we please have our resources, diplomats administrators and our service personal back but pay us for your international airport first please, you ungrateful colonials.
And as for being self-governing, read the 2008 Constitution and learn the difference between government and administration.
I actually hope they vote no and get a new referendum to declare independence. Then they apply to join the EU as an independent state, all their citizens are already EU citizens.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who want Arg stinking dump . BA Paris of South? More like Delhi South! Villa Lugano full of bum boys. Argentine finish next week, nobody listen.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh did I touch a nerve? Was my post too intelligent for you?
Honey, you can easily be dual nationality it is not a difficult position to be in. I am a British Falkland Islander.
What I mean by the Falklands having no hatred towards the Brits is that many of the wars Britain fights these days are fourght in countries where the natives couldn't give a damn about Britain and would most likely rejoyice at their demise. The Falklands are different. We are British and we are happy to be so. Naturally I can't speak for the whole of the Falklands but I believe that this view is one held widely by many people living here.
You seem to have the opinion that we can only become independent if we do what you tell us to.....double standards much?
I know we are self-governing, if you can't accpet that then too bad for you.
@43 Dual nationality! You get funnier and funnier. You are dual nationals and the Brit in you doesn't hate the Brits. How quaint. British Citizen with Falkland Island Status is not dual nationality (unless you have also taken up the Argentinean citizenship they very kindly offer you).
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban Ki-Moon killed off the Argie arguments regarding the referendum on 12th November when he was being interviewed by a reporter from the newspaper Tiempo Argentino.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-the-falklands/
Herr DOD
Mar 04th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has this minor committee of the UN actually achieved in the last 20 years ?
Ah, Mr Bond....
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, which was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)? Is that the one?
The Special Committee annually reviewedthe list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and maked recommendations as to its implementation. It also heard statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatched visiting missions, and organized seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually made recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observe the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.
Pretty impressive eh? So vote YES and let them keep on doing it for the next 20 years too.
No, unimpressive. Anyone can easily see, looking at its constituents that its the usual suspects just having a regular bender at UN expense. Several of the British loving places have held referendums, some more than one. C24 is universally ignored and has no legal status. It's a waste of time and money.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is washed up, clapped out and continues on a Peronist downward spiral. It will degenerate into violence at some point soon, just like the Arabs.
Doveoverdover You sure your not Maximo's new friend that goes by the name BENDOVER???
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 The members of the C24 are States represented by diplomats paid by their governments not by the UN. The UN has, in any case, no significant income other than subscriptions from its members. The people who get the bender at someone else's expense are the likes of the residents of the OTs, the descendents of Vernet and Sr Betts who turn up to lobby.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 No, You sure you're not his friend going by the name of Philip McAvity?
I guess DOD (Think) has had a bet on the Falklands Referendum with Ladbrokes in the 'over/under - 15.5 voters' market. Over is even odds, I bet he's had a few quid on it.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.oddschecker.com/politics-and-election/falklands-referendum/voters-against-british-sovereignty
Bendover, it matters not a jot, C24 its just a waste of time - sound familiar? When sensible people see blatantly skewed things, committees or people, their views just get ignored. The world is full of evil, fortunately, if you are British, its effect is minimal. Living in Britain, or FI you can avoid it which is why we have so many grateful refugees, like you, only you are obviously unhappy.......shame....
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgot to mention that's, Voters Against British Sovereignty...
@52 For an ignored skewed thing, the C24 gets a fair amount of coverage and comment on Mercopress each year, not least because representatives of NSGTs keep going back to address it. To organise a consultative Referendum just so someone can go there in June and tell them about it also does not amount to a stiff ignoring.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DoD knows that nobody in their right mind would vote for the Argentine solution, he is therefore lobbying for the next best thing, political capital.
If a few islanders vote No, because they'd prefer some other form of relationship with the UK to the status quo, (independence/full integration), there might be a little mileage in it for Argentina.
Of course the majority will vote YES, everyone knows that...but if by any means he can winkle out a handful of NO votes from the various islanders who read Mercopress, by suggesting that NO is the best way to get rid of the Argentine nonsense for good...his “job” will be done.
Bit pathetic if you ask me....LOL
The only people it concerns are the islanders, who will vote,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies can cry and cry,
But your tears will be of no interest,
So don’t cry for the Falklands, argentina, cry over your incompetent CFK ,
She will need comforting after the results .lol.
@54
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you think Presidenta flying in with 90+ assorted Yes-men and hangers-on in pursuit of an attempt to hijack the decolonization process might have had something to do with the coverage and comment the event received?
And don't you find it just a little ironic that the referendum has given us the spectacle of Argentina, in the name of decolonization, invoking colonial inheritance in order to deny self-determination to the inhabitants of the territory it wishes to annex? Even the Argentine stooge chairing the Committee seems to have cottoned on to that one, but apparently not yourself?
Our Ancient Mariner seems to have some strange sexual proclivities. Phillip McCaverty indeed. Perhaps he has shot his albatross?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When did the C24 become anything other than toothless? It really lives up to the word “Special” in its title. Even Moon has recently castigated them (in extremely diplomatic language) for their irrelevance.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does being listed and spoken about once a year really mean? Sweet F all. States such as Guatemala and Venezuela claim all or most of a neighbouring state that was once a British colony and are now independent sovereign UN members. Therefore Argentina's claim will never stop no matter what the Islanders decide.
Anyone claiming otherwise is a naive fool.
Islanders status obviously grates on some British citizens who were unable to keep or claim the right. However unless the UK government is willing to change this, the the Islanders themselves will dictate the changes.
Foxtrot Indigo, you are correct, the dual nationality upsets some people as they don't have the right to live there, whereas residents that gain citizenship have the DUAL right to live both there and on the mainland.
A yes vote doesn't WTO debate on a future status. There can be future referenda. I mean look at poor little Tokelau, it had two I'm quick succession and still couldn't get the right answer right for the UN.
Considering the amount of coverage his is generating, I'd say the the referendum is having the exact desired effect.
@57 Last year but not every year. As for my having not cottoned on to the irrationality of the Argentinian position, I'm afraid I did some time ago and have said as much on a number of occasions. I support UK sovereignty against the claims of all comers and that includes both the Argentinians and the Falkland Islanders.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So much Argentine waffle about the legitimacy of our referendum. They omit to mention that Argentina ignored our invitation to come here to the Falklands and put their case to us. As both the Yes and No position are required to be made clear to the voters, we've had to do the job for them. Ironic? I think so. If they truly believed what they were saying, they would be here saying it.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pardon me. I wasn't referring to the irrationality of the Argentine case per se, but to the irrationality of the C24's involvement. Judging by his latest remarks, and yours, the Chairman does indeed seem to be ahead of you in this respect.
@62 As the Chair said, UK unilaterally declared the Crown Colony to the Decolonisation Committee in the first place and has not yet done enough to get it off. Changing the name to a Dependency and then to Overseas Territory didn't cut it so it remains on the list of NSGT and this irrelevant Referendum won't get it off either. He is simply pointing to the success of Argentinean diplomacy in getting the particular and special nature of the Falkland Islands acknowledged for their own benefit but in doing so seems to have gone off message.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C24 involvement in decolonising the Falkland Islands is entirely rational as is Argentina making full use of the consensus nature of UN position making and changing to keep its case in the public eye. The Referendum question is what is irrational given the irrational purpose of the Referendum itself.
#63 Who cares, its irrelavent, so is Think. Benefit surfing is going to get much tougher, watch out...
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Char said “But nevertheless the discussion is not self determination but sovereignty over the Islands according to the UN documentation .... and when the issue refers to sovereignty, the Decolonization Committee has nothing to do or even suggest.”
This isn't the first time he's said such things either.
And as plenty others have already pointed out, the referendum question as it stands is entirely in keeping with UN strictures regarding decolonization.
Consequently, if the C24 is to take its mission and mandate seriously, there is no rational case for the Falklands question to remain before the C24 post referendum. (Not that I believe this will happen, myself, given that the colonial card is the only one Argentine has and nobody much on the C24 is concerned about the justice of anything).
But what is even more irrational is the expectation that direct incorporation of the islands into the UK, an unheard of constitutional arrangement, is somehow going to shut Argentina and its cheerleaders up, rather than present them with the biggest colonial own goal since Suez.
All this proves the 1st law of motion.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember Isaac Newton? anyone? Anyone? The godfather of Physic's calculus and layer of the corner stone of modern astrophysics??
It all boils down to ( and stop me if you've heard this before ) For every action, there is an equal and oppersite reaction.
1/ Agentina invades the Falklands ( action )
The UK takes them back ( reaction )
2/ Argentina would invade them again in a heartbeat ( action )
The UK stations a security force to stop them ( Reaction )
3/ Laughing Boy Timerman says that the Islanders do not exist ( action )
The Islanders hold an referendum ( Reaction )
See? Everyone gets it apart from TMBOA and her “Yes” men. Doesn't she see? This is a fight that she can not win..... Not in her life time, not in 1,000 lifetimes.
After next week, the world will see and know that the Argentines have lied and sort to silence a community and deny them their human rights.. It's game over.... Argentina, if not irrelavent, soon will be. it's time to pay the bill and leave.
Everyone else can see that, why can't they?
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/argentinas-growing-desperation/
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
65 and 66 Rgs, and UN are irrelavent. It would be nice to have the UN on side but if they appoint looney partizan nations to their committees that in itself makes them irrelavent. Good luck with the referendum, the vast majority of the real British people support the FI and are willing to fight for it if necessary. Advanced weapons and solid committment will keep you all safe and free from alien domination. Go down the pub and celebrate and top it off with something nice from Waitrose.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The ones living in Malvinas are brits. Of course they're going to say no.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares?
Pack your bags and leave or face death.
@olibeira The only person going anywhere is your dear lady botox Queen when Argentines have more than enough of her and feed her to the dogs-she as robbed you all blind and you still support her SO WHO IS THE STUPID ONE'S
Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone ever wonder how Argentina would becablecto do anything to the islands?
Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let alone “death”. Argentina is verging on failed state status and has no ability, none whatsoever, to project force on any neighbour.
Truth must really hurt for Argentineans. Once so powerful and now so irrelevant.
@69 Oily beer
Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Pack your bags and leave or face death.”
“death”??!!
Really??
Are you kidding? Did you write that??
So, who is all upset and illogical now???
You've lost it!!
LOL!!!!
more wine? :- )
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!, Does not sound very “democratic”! “” We're looking for a big 'yes' vote “Wait a little to the vote tontazos ...... and if wins the NO?. AHA HA HA HA HA!!!
Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Short, short, short, in Castilian: ”corto“, ”corto“, ”corto”, ha ha ha!
I could not find on the Internet where you were born this stupid, but I suspect not in the Malvinas Argentinas.
24 Think (#)
Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how would you and the rest of your uneducated lot populate the Islands then given that Britain has supposedly placed squatters. That is what Argentina would also be doing in the eyes of the decolonization committee. So tell the world just how Argentina plans to progress her future of the Islands if they were to become theirs.
You don't actually have to tell me or the world the answer because it is crystal clear what will happen. Argentina will simply extract the wealth around them without going ashore because that at the end of the day is the only thing the Argentines want and right now they cant touch it because those nasty little squatters have it right.
l think olibeira is about 14 years old.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey olibeira, niño, you should be in bed. School tomorrow.
@74 kelperabout,
Think's lost his fire.
l'm sure even he has finally realised that his malv...... dream is just that, a dream.
l'm going to miss you, Think.
After 11th March, there will be no squabling anymore, “the Whole World” (favourite malvinista term)will then realise what we want & how Argentina has been lying for years.
Sad.
Falklands’ lawmakers underline significance of casting the ballot on March10/11
Mar 07th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Who cares this brits are IDIOTS!
@76
Mar 07th, 2013 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU seem to care, dumb troll.
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@ Malvinero1,
Mar 07th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH- to you too!
ls this some form of Masonic greeting?
Why do you call us idiots?
ls it just because we won't do what you want?
Or are you jest plumb crazy?
Rasberries to you...bbbbbbblllllllllllllluuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.
Simpleton.
@76
Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“AHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Do they have dentists in Argentina?
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