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Argentina dismisses referendum; warns Falklands’ oil industry “unfeasible” without regional ties

Tuesday, March 5th 2013 - 00:09 UTC
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The referendum on the fate of the Falkland Islands is a publicity stunt with no legal status, Argentina's ambassador to Britain said on Monday, warning that oil exploitation around the territory was impossible without better regional ties. Read full article


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  • Captain Poppy

    Of course it is unfeasible. And Argentina will never pay the holdouts.....not one cent!!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bryzi

    Wasn't it legal threats before, now it's advice. Urm thanks.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    1672 guys are going to vote?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Just a little more than half of the total population, of which, how many of them have been born in the islands (or the “famous” “9 generations”)?
    They already know. Malvinas Argentinas one of the last territories to decolonize ...... taking into account the INTERESTS of its inhabitants few. Point, nothing more.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    argentina craving more ties? oh yes we all know about argentina and her desperation to be noticed.....

    “oil exploitation around the territory was impossible without better regional ties.”, Castro
    well good job it isnt her countries business or problem, but im sure The Falklands will do just fine :) so thinks argentina hence the fear....
    i can feel argentina quaking from here......

    SELF-DETERMINATION.......Argentina you should be very afraid!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The stress is showing,
    Look who is panicking

    CFK is worried,
    Now she will cry and cry

    To late,
    Its British, and there is nothing, but nothing you can do about it,

    Go on, prove us wrong,
    You want the world to laugh

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    @3 1672 are eligible to vote, meaning the others are either too young or dont qualify, dribble on....tard


    Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @3 José Malvinero: “taking into account the INTERESTS of its inhabitants”

    ...well that would mean never letting Argentia exploit their Islands and surrounding waters. Nice of you to be so uderstanding.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero


    interests ........ no wishes.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @9. Like the way took care of the interests-not-wishes of your own dissidents under your beloved Junta? You fascists never change.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero


    Oh, Oh! It seems that all the UN is “fascist” because it's not mine those of the “interests” and not of “wishes”, gil!
    Resolution 2065, 1965, remember? Sure you do not want to even remember!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mick23

    @1 Capt Putz.. It is entirely feasible.. It's happening NOW!! The rigs are coming back the tankers too. Your Chilean and Uruguayan friends will help out because they are not stupid. They can see the writing on the wall. You lot in BA continue to spout your rhetoric and whimper about everything that doesn't suit you. Many of your own sensible countrymen share the sentiment, yet Buenos Aires (who still can't manage the city) continue to rape the rest of their own country by greed just to satisfy their own neurotic insecure sense of inability... You couldhave such a wonderful country and in some ways you have been close but no matter how hard you try you always screw it up... grow up ...get a life!!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • puerto argentino

    Good enough!!
    “This referendum has no legal grounds. It's not approved, nor will it be recognised by the United Nations or the international community,”

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Falklands oil 'unfeasible'????

    Bullshit, of course it is. I'm in the oil and gas industry (field operations)

    Logistics base on east Falkland? Not a problem, - FPSO, not a problem, - Roll up, roll, up, who wants to buy our crude?!!!

    No problem - Big queue of tankers at the SPM, taking the crude to the buyers anywhere in the world.

    Argentina might as well not exist as far as the Falklands oil industry will be concerned.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    12 puerto argentino

    Oh yes the referendum is legal, and it's recognized by both the UN and the International community. More importantly it's given further recognition by Argentina acquiescence, by her failure to legally challenge the referendum. It's an admission that she would lose such a challenge.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @12 Port Stanley:
    Then why the blue blazes is the likes of yourself even on here bumping your gums?

    Why? You are here because the referendum is upsetting you.

    This referendum 'with no legal grounds' is deeply upsetting to you.

    Am I right? Yes, thought so.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    @10 Jose

    The UN said “interests” they didn't say “interests not wishes” - that's Argentina that changed what the UN said, can you believe they would do such a thing?!
    Anyway, you invaded so it's all beside the point. The interests of the FI are now to be free and unbullied so either way Argentina doesn't get what it wants.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    erm...who to believe on oil exploitation...

    Premier oil, who use FPSO technology around the world, Noble Oil, EDF Edison, or perhaps Alicia Castro....

    Its a toughie...!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    @3 José Malvinero
    Argentina elections 2011:-
    population 41 million, eligible voters 27 million.

    Your presidents grandparents ere not even born in Argentina.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    I suspect that even the eligible voters of 27 million Argentines more than 70% of them would be forced to vote by the dictators because we know they never hold democratic and fair elections there.
    These Nerds on here keep prattling on about the importance of decolonization. My question to them is if Britain removed it's status as a colonial occupier of the Islands what would it become if Argentina were to colonize them. Think you will find the answer in what I just wrote. So to decolonize the Falkland Islands would lead to the Islands devoid of a people that no one in the world could populate again because it would have to be seen as colonization by the very Argument that Argentina is pushing for decolonization it surely is striking itself from future participation in anything in and around the Islands. The old saying is what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
    Wake up Argentina you haven’t a clue what you are actually trying to achieve.
    Fact is today Britain owns the Falkland Islands and it’s dependencies and Argentina does not period.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    'Argentina won't back down over Falklands despite 'illegal' referendum
    Argentina will continue to press its claim to the Falkland Islands despite the “illegal” referendum on the territory's sovereignty due next week, the country's ambassador to London said on Monday.'

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    @18 - and timermans dad was born in the Ukraine...

    @8 nothing Argentina says, does, is or wants to do in relation to the FI's is in either the wishes or the interests of the people there.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    And check out Amado Boudou!

    Look at the dates, none of these RG government people even had ancestors in South America during the time that they say the 'implanted' British arrived.

    What a bunch of liars.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @10 José Mal-dum-dum,
    Resolution # 2065 1965,
    Oh we remember that one, niño.
    lt was a RECOMMENDATION from the UNGA.
    That is, it was NON-BINDING.(Do you know what that means, niño?)
    Thats the resolution that Argentina got through the UN by presenting false evidence or LYING as its commonly known.
    You people just cannot help yourself.
    Does lying come naturally to you?
    Are you born natural liars?
    Or do you get taught to lie?
    Whatever, you're good at it.
    But of course Resolution # 2065 became invalid, when you invaded OUR lslands in 1982.
    So it doesn't mean a thing.
    What about Resolution #502 from the UNSC(a BINDING Resolution!).
    Argentina was told to remove their troops from the Falklands.
    Argentina refused.
    So stop talking shit about the UK ignoring UN Resolutions when it is your failed tinpot country that is doing the ignoring.
    You are just such LIARS.
    You will do ANYTHING just to win, won't you?
    Well you won't win this one, Bobo.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    Well done to the president of Uruguay. Shame on all the rest.

    Castro's comment about being enconomically unfeasible is clearly untrue as the oil companies and share holders would not be prodding around down there.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    Castro would barely make a credible stewardess, as an ambassador she is a joke! But then so is the Argentine regime and it's policies, particularly regarding the Falklands so perhaps she is the right clown for the job.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • txiki

    Alicia Castro ? She made a great impression of incompetence on Sky news last year. She'd be better off going back to Aerolineas Argentinas and serving the G&Ts.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Huntsman Extraordinaire

    Enough of this womans insane ramblings! Put her in the tower!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    She could run the snack bar, she is more than qualified for that.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3 Just ignore it. It's not your problem. And there's nothing you can do about it anyway. And since when does your trolley dolly speak on behalf of the United Nations? By the way, latam and the so-called 54 states of Africa don't even constitute a majority of the world. In fact, it's barely a quarter!
    @8 And who decides their wishes? Not your bunch of no-hopers. You have NO say in what happens ON or in relation to the Islands. Get used to it! But I understand how it is so difficult for you to have such a DEMOCRATIC and ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL country on your doorstep, when you aren't either!
    @10 Resolution 2065 is irrelevant. Told you why before.
    @11 Why are you having a go at Captain Poppy? Can't you recognise irony or sarcasm?
    @12 Perfectly legal. It only has to be “approved” two legal authorities. The Falkland Islands Government and the UN-approved Administering Authority, the United Kingdom Government. It is!
    @20 I see that the article refers to that argie turd, Kohen. So who would believe an argie? And he missed a small, but very legal, point. The Falkland Islands isn't a member of the UN. And therefore not bound by any of its rules!
    @24 Don't be daft. Mujica is just carrying on in his usual weak, dithering, frightened, senile, old way. He's pretty meaningless!

    The Referendum starts in just 5 days! The action reflects self-determination. The result means sovereignty!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    Its just a scheduling thing; Ms Castro was todays choice to waste Arg government time, energy and money on something that is irrelevant. They've got some sort of rota going, with a grand finale on Friday by the Fuhrer herself I would imagine.

    Aside: They do seem to be spending an awful lot of time on something that is irrelevant. I'm glad its not my government, I would be having words! Particularly if there were more pressing matters such as illegal dollar exchanges operating in 'caves' or such like that could better use government action.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Think you can pretty much take it for granted that this is not the last we will hear from her in the next four days, wonder what other distinguishes expat they are going to produce. Any more out there who do not care for their professional reputation? like this last one?

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @26,27. PamAnn she's not. I don't even think shed make the cut for EasyJet... Or USAir.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Schneckster

    From a Telegraph columnist:

    One point he makes here is about the Chagos Islands. He says that the US and UK decided what to do with the islands with no say from the inhabitants and then draws the parallel that this is what Argentina wants to do with the Falklands.

    The Chagos Islands regularly get brought out by Argie posters but I'm probably not alone in having not thought about the point this blogger makes. They villify us over Chagos, but want to do the same thing with the Falklands... aas he says, they're very confused!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Alicia Castro keeps banging on about the “54 African States” that support Argintina over the Falklands, BUT only 20 African States took part in the A-SA meeting, so 34 of the 54 did NOT sign the final paper, which asked the UK and Argentina to have talks about the Islands and which our brilliant Chancelor (Foreign Minister) refused to do!!!!!!

    Good luck Falklanders with the referendum, another LARGE nail in CFK's (political) coffin!!!!!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @29 conk
    He stopped the rot. Better than another kick in the knackers.

    @33 Schneckster
    Indeed. The Chagos theme ..two wrongs don't make a right. The matter is going through the courts, albiet following the creation of a large marine reserve. There was also court case brought in 2010, it failed as compensation had been accepted but it was further claimed that islanders never received the compensation... so on and so forth.....

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Alice in Wonderland again. Like the Cheshire cat she will slowly fade away into insignificance, but unlike the Cheshire cat it will be the smile that goes first

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    The world according to Alicia Castro through rose tinted glasses.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    We can expect that this woman and the other enterage in Argentina will over play their hands over the next few days and make themselves look utterly stupid, if that were possible!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Because we are on the subject of oil, this can't get any funnier or stranger. Repsol and YPF in a new partnership.

    “The alleged deal would be consistent with the Strategic Plan announced by YPF CEO Miguel Galuccio, which also rectifies the contradiction with the President’s stern condemnation of the Spanish firm. The plan is based on the premise that it would be difficult to transform YPF into a profitable, productive, professional and competitive company that provides energy self-sufficiency for the country if the open wound of Spanish international suits were to remain open.”

    Me thinks there is a trend with asslip kirchner's pigheaded obstinence.
    Maybe along with the billions to clean up New Jersey from the recent lawsuits there.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    who cares what that bint says anyway

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    'Carrio compare Cristina with Galtieri - He said that the President is similar to the dictator who led Argentina to war with the United Kingdom. He said that he will restore the Constitution.'

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The Falklanders couldn't have asked for a better representative from Argentina. She is the gift that keeps on giving.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    39 Captain Poppy

    The substance of that deal appears to be that they are giving YPF back but under a different share structure arrangement.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    the rumour is that the UK/FI are striking a deal with the chileans to provide infrastructure to the islands in return for oil/a share in the oil revenues. That would clearly make sense.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @33 Doesn't matter what they say about the Chagos Islands. Just more lies. Check it out. The Chagos Islands were “populated” by African slaves imported by the French. When slavery was abolished, they became contract workers for a Mauritian company. When Britain bought the islands, did the Mauritian company take responsibility for the workers? No, they just abandoned them. Britain paid the Mauriti an government to resettle the people. Being crooks, like argies, the Mauritian government pocketed the money and did nothing. Britain paid more. Greedy lawyers wanted more. The matter is now CLOSED. Forever!
    @35 Who's “he”? And what courts? The Order in Council cannot be challenged!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @44 Cestrian I think there is a lot of quiet diplomacy going on behind closed doors between UK, Chile, Brazil and Uruguay

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    God wouldn't they love to know, bet it drives them crazy behind the scenes, trying to find out who is doing what, where and when? with the UK.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Let's not forget Argentina could haved gained from the oil if they had been sensible instead cutting of the nose was there policy so it's there loss.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • olibeira

    The UK will lose malvinas anyway.

    They can't defend it properly.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @49 oh shut up you mong

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    @olibeira So why is your dear lady Botox and her lap dog Hector The Rat Timerman constantly bleeting about Nuclear Subs????? Tell them go now and invade and see what happens I DARE YOU

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    There are no Maivinas numpty!

    Never has been and here is the real clever bit, there never will be.

    Oh dear, how sad for you, never mind!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @49 just for your interest

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    That's good news. becuase that is about all the Rg navy has got to throw at the Falklands. Tennis Balls!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Alicia “The Rat” Castro says

    The referendum on the fate of the Falkland Islands is a publicity stunt.

    From a woman who with her superior the ever impressing Hector Timerman only 3 weeks ago arranged a series of STUNTS in London which famously backfired not to mention the amount of TAX money this must have cost the Argentine tax payer inviting some Argentines who find it better to live in Europe than there homeland over to London where we are told they are A listers even though none of us had heard of any of them before,Now thats what I call
    A PUBLICITY STUNT. What the Islanders are doing is sending a clear message

    to the world how they wish to live and carry on as a people.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    From whom do we have to defend the Falklands ?
    The beloved Christina has rejected the use of force so who is there to defend against.
    Share your wisdom with us.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    49... Seem to be defending it pretty well for 30 years

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Alice in Wonderland isnt a rat. Shes a rabbit. Shes been looking for a burrow to bolt down on Hampstead Heath but hasnt found one yet. If she stays above ground much more she may get a dose of Mixa my toeses?

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    Be nice, or the new Government of the Royal Republic of the Falklands will not buy Argentina and reform it!

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @olibeira - to quote you -'' The UK will lose malvinas anyway.

    They can't defend it properly''

    You actually think as you previously posted on a Brasilian thread that the UK subs are to quote you 'Crap'.
    Please show us the argentinian latest hunter-killer sub if you can.

    The UK's Astute class sub, one on its own can wreak havoc on your air force, while submerged, and any military target in argentina with a 2 (two) meter accuracy plus or minus. (Tomahawk)

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “The UK will lose malvinas anyway”
    We lost the Malvinas in 1982 when we kicked out your Nazis and renamed the islands with their proper name, the Falkland Islands.

    The 'Malvinas is lost forever-FALKLANDS REMAIN FOREVER.

    “They can't defend it properly”

    Yes, despite invading British Islands 400 miles away, Argentina's fascists of 1982 failed to defend their illegal invasion against the owners who came from 8000 miles away.

    Correct, you couldn't defend your illegal gain properly and the UK doesn't need to touch Argentina as its forces are falling to bits without any help from anyone.

    Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #690 olibeira does not know the difference in a boomer and hunter killer sub.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Oliveira doent know his rse from his elbow

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “and warned that oil exploration around the Falklands would be unfeasible without proper links to the South American continent.”

    Hang on, wasnt the Argentine offered a stake in the exploration and exploitation of oil reserves around the Falklands? And, didnt they 'reject' the opportunity to share in the bonanza? (The Argentine is good at rejecting things, even opportunities that are likely to bring them a measure of prosperity and lift them out of their misery).
    By rejecting the outcome of the referendum, before it has happened, Argentina rejects democracy and rejects decency.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Argentina dismisses............
    Well, makes a change from:-
    Argentina demands............... &
    Argentina insists..................&
    Argentina rejects......................etc.
    Like a spoilt kid.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    @49 .Even if Britain gave you the Islands , Argentina has no way to defend them . They would simply be occupied by someone else .
    Just in case you forgot , you have no armed forces and the Caost Guard and gendarmes are going on strike again ( at least you will be able to get your coke cheaper , so you won't have to rob so many helpless pensioners to pay for it )

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    64 yes they were and we were in talks to govern the fisheries, they walked away from the talks.

    Its serves no purpose for the RGs to resolve the Falklands issue, its to much of a great smoke screen in times of Argentine economic meltdown. Its a trump card to play again and again, although looks like CFK days are numbered....but no replacement president would kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    As I understand it what is being held is not even a referendum. It can pass no legislation. It is no more than a poll.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    @68 Hepatia A red poll perhaps?

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover


    The Governor is asking a question.

    I draw your attention to the rather factually loose preamble “Given that Argentina is calling for negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, this referendum is being undertaken to consult the people regarding their views on the political status of the Falkland Islands. Should the majority of votes cast be against the current status, the Falkland Islands Government will undertake necessary consultation and preparatory work in order to conduct a further referendum on alternative options.”

    So it's a poll that could lead to legislation if the vote is a straight majority NO vote. One step at a time; these people aren't assessed by the UN or the UK as competent to decide anything important yet.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    If the Falkland Islanders don't vote to remain associated with the UK, they will be given another option of status to vote upon which might be the Independence they are gradually moving towards.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    70... Either way they ain't becoming a colony of Argentina jajajaj

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (70) Mr. McDod

    You say...:
    “One step at a time; these people aren't assessed by the UN or the UK as competent to decide anything important yet.”

    I say:
    You shouldn't be so mean to them Kelpers....
    They have feelings too, you know?

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @73 Emotional Intelligence isn't one of my strengths, says Mrs McDoD anyway.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Schneckster

    @35 & @45: I actually don't know a great deal about the Chagos, but I thought it was an interesting comparison the Telegraph writer drew between happened there, and what Argentina want to do with the Falklands despite the regular mud slinging we get over the Chagos.

    Not that it matters at all with respect to the Falklands, but it made the hypocrisy and severe absence of logic in the Argentine position, well documented though it already is, very clear for any reader of any background.

    I wonder if they get the Telegraph in BA? :o)

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Another pink gin is called for I think commander. You can clink glasses with Mr Think with toast ( american I think) “Heres to the next man that dies”

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Just a question - how does one get a job with this mysterious UN or UK that assesses national and/or colonial competence? Is that another ATOS contract, maybe? Or is it this United Nations Competency Level Evaluation thing I believe you once told us you were the man from?

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia As you have so helpfully pointed out “this referendum is being undertaken to consult the people”. It is not a ballot measure. It is simply a consultation. Therefore it is not a referendum. It is a poll.

    I am told by people who are knowledgeable about the British “constitution” referenda are not possible under that system of “democracy”.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Really? Somebody better tell the Scots. And all those who voted in the EU referendum of 1975. Or maybe your “people who are knowledgeable” are only as knowledgeable as you.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia The EU has forced the increase of democracy in the UK. And the EU (not UK) referendum of 1975 is one example.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Hepatia, you evidently know as much about the EU as you do about the UK. The 1975 referendum was about the EU, not ordered by the EU.

    Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Argentina will not colonize Las Malvinas. It will incorporate them fully and indivisibly into the Republic.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @82 A decision made in 1990, I believe. Prior to that it would have been colonisation tempored by the rights of the residents being a new minority within Argentina.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Anschluss, then. That's so much better.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @84 An option equally open to the UK and hence better still.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @82 Hepatia,
    l'm quite sure that that is never going to happen.
    But, hey, you can dream all you like.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Can you name any credible politician, official, or commentator in the UK who supports this option?

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    “I am told by people”
    That's your problem, try going to the source of information, not what people tell you !
    I think that even YOU would have to concede that the UK is a democracy and that Scotland is having a referendum next year on whether to leave he UK and become an independent country. The result will be binding on the UK parliament.

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  • Doveoverdover

    @87 No, but can you name any credible politician, official, or commentator in the UK who has argued publicly against it?

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “Argentina will not colonize Las Malvinas. It will incorporate them fully and indivisibly into the Republic”

    Incorporate them fully and indivisibly into the republic!! Wow, now there is an offer that can definetly be refused. I bet the Falkland Islanders will be will be tearing up their oil stocks and falling over the referendum boxes to get to that offer!!

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Now there is a spectacular piece of Malvinista logical gymnastics if ever I saw one.

    Perhaps the reason nobody has opposed such a proposal, is because nobody has been foolish enough to suggest it in the first place?

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @91 Perhaps but it could be that no credible and wise politician has yet assessed this as a vote winner in this age of decline and austerity. Officials do as they are told.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia I doubt whether that is true. But what's your point?

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    Alternatively, it may be that we don't go for such imperialist moves these days, and even if we did, nobody sane would want to hand such a massive propaganda coup to Argentina.

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  • Doveoverdover

    @92 I'm surprised that you think that proposing one of the UN accepted routes to decolonisation can be interpreted as imperialism. If a majority of the appropriate population determined this to be what they wanted then it would be qute wrong to classify it as an insane idea. Also, as I reminded Heptia above, that is exactly what Argentina did in 1990 and I don't recall any neo-liberal opprobrium being heaped on them about it then or now.

    Holding a Referendum with an error ridden preamble encouraging a subset of British citizens on disputed territory to a support remaining in a colonial relationship with the UK; now that is an insane handing of a massive propaganda coup to Argentina. Unless there is a NO vote of course.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    The conflict with Argentina isn't about the niceties of the constitutional arrangements between the metropolitan Uk and the islands. It's about a potent national myth of vIctimhood on the one hand, and oil, fish, minerals, and territory on the other. You Cana dd to that some sort of vague hemispherism as enunciated by your oppo Think and some other posters.

    There is no constitutional arrangement between the UK and the islands that will shut Argentina up on the latter matters. All that's at stake is the amount and nature of support Argentine can muster from South America and the rest of the world. So far, the answer is not much. The UN essentially washes its hands of the conflict, but provides a harmless enough forum for those required by culture, history, or national self-interest to show their support.

    But now let's assume that the UK does just incorporate the islands. How hard is it going to be for Argentina to present this a plundering of South American resources for the benefit of metropolitan Europe? Thieves, pirates, and the Spanish Empire all over again! Except this time, it's gringos! How will this play in the Latin American street? It's a gift, and maybe enough to get somebody serious seriously on side, Brazil maybe, or Chile.

    Just as well, really, that there is a not a soul in the UK suggesting anything of the sort, although I'm sure the Malvinistas would be more than delighted if one could be found.

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  • Doveoverdover

    @96 Before we make any more assumptions let's just reflect on why there is going to be a Referendum in the first place.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jkw

    Can the Islanders change their minds--oh, say in 50 years-- about this arrangement with the UK? I would think so. So from a purely selfish economic point of view, Argentina should respect the Islanders' decision and open Argentina to them on a unilateral basis, and enact a law which guarantees that to Islanders and their progeny. Simply ignore the whole kerfuffle, apologize for the bad blood, and respect the Islanders wishes and treat them as you would as if they were Argentine citizens living abroad....that's the way to handle it....

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    For one thing, it makes Argentina look silly, and for another it may well reduce their support in the C24 and other bodies, as the Argentines themselves are well aware.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Given that the UK will be returning the islands within the next 25 years the incentives to act as you have suggested are no present.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @99 and 100 You two deserve each other so I'll leave you to it.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    In NORMAL TIMES that woman, Alicia Castro, would be declared:
    Thank you,


    Mar 08th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Given that the UK will be returning the islands within the next 25 years”

    Very prophetic Hep-the Islands are likely to be independent in 25 years so the UK will return the Islands to the Falkland Islanders-thanks for your support Hepatia.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Of all the possible outcomes independence is the least likely. I would say that the probability is zero.

    In any case should Las Malvinas become “independent” Argentina will feel obliged to reassert it authority over the islands in order to stop it becoming a haven for terrorists.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    We of course need guarantees that Argentina will not become a haven for terrorists..........
    Oh, silly me. lts already a haven for terrorists,
    (& thugs & liars & cheats & deluded malvinistas & wouldbe empire builders)
    Anyway we don't need Argentina to process our oil.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    And the UK will be obliged to sort out Argentina if they try it.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @104 - Hepatia

    If the Falklands choose to become an independent country in their own right then you say Argentina will invade.

    That doesn't surprise anyone on here. You Argentines talk of peace and human rights, but you have never believed in them, you would invade and murder and subjugate the people of the Falklands, just like you invaded and murdered and subjugated the indigenous people of the territory you now call Argentina.

    Howver, if Argentina should ever be stupid enough to try and invade the Falklands again, then the UK will bomb the sh!t out of all your military in Argentina. We will wipe them and their equipment out so you can never be a threat again.

    We may even have to liberate Patagonia and return it to its true owners, the indigenous people who were dispossed by the illegal Argentina pirates and squatters, for it will act as a buffer zone between the Islands and Argentina.

    Who knows, the indigenous people of the newly created republic of Patagonia, may even decide to join the Falklands Islands and create a brand new country in its own right.

    That's just talk though, isn't it?

    Let's face it Hepatia. YOU ARE IMPOTENT. Argentina is BROKE. Your military is a JOKE.

    You are a joke too, made by your government who steals all of your money while you stand around applauding them for it.

    Yes, maybe the British will one day take pity on Argentina and invade you, freeing you from the NAZI's who are destroying your country...but then again f*ck it, you voted them with the consquences of them destroying Argentina...forever.

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  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    @ 107 - BRAVO!

    Why ANYONE would go to AR voluntarily is beyond me.
    Prince WA of Orange has to, unfortunately, but it is not without reason that Maxima chose for a Dutch passport.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia And on what basis will the UK be starting this war?

    As I have said before there is no chance of Las Malvinas becoming independent so the issue is mute.

    BTW you seem not to have heard but, apparently, I am Dutch. So the UK will not “bomb the sh!t” out of my military. But thank you for displaying to true national nature of the UK. Your power comes only from the barrel of then gun.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    @ 109

    How should I have 'heard' that you are Dutch.
    And why is that apparent?
    You're not that ex-Transavia pilot who may have been involved in dumping undesirables from his flights?

    Look, Jan Jansen, EVERY people have the right to be independent, regardless of its size.
    I fail to see why this would not apply to the Falklands.

    And, please, wake up. Argentina doesn't even have money to keep itself alive, let alone invade another country?
    The Islands happen to be closer to AR than to the UK, but they are the ones to choose.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia I am not talking about “rights”. I am talking about what is going to happen.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    Sure ...........

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @109 - Hepatia

    Stop cherry picking my posts. I said that the UK would bomb the sh!t out of Argentina's military if they tried to invade the Falkland Islands, so if Argentina doesn't try to invade then there would be no need.

    However, in the event of an invasion, the UK would have the LEGAL right to prevent Argentina from invading, and the LEGAL right to remove the threat.

    Are you really Dutch? I doubt it. I'll bet that you are one of those Argentines who has two passports so you have a bolt hole to go to when Argentina disappears up its own arse.

    You really don't come across as Dutch at all. In fact, they way you write your posts, anyone would believe that you are a La Campora troll.

    But it doesn't surprise me. Most of the Argentine President supporters don't actually live in Argentina, and don't have to live with her insane policies of destroying Argentina.

    By the way, the Falklands will one day become independent. But they will choose the time that's right for them.

    Should Argentina be stupid enough to invade the Falklands in a blatant act of colonialism then the UK would bomb the sh!t out of Argentina's military.

    In 1982 the UK was very restrained by not bombing Argentina, round 2 (should Argentina instigate it - because the UK won't) will be a different type of war altogether.

    Last time the Argentine people were insulated from the war, next time they'll feel what it's like up close and personal.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I apologize for thinking you were from the Netherlands. It was posted by someone on another thread that you were..
    It has renewed my faith in my liking for the Dutch people as I now have your affirmation that you are not from that country.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    @ 114

    You should apologize to the Dutch ;-)

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia As I have said there is no chance of Las Malvinas becoming independent.

    Argentina is not the only American country that has an interest here. An independent Las Malvinas is in the interest of no American country - for obvious reasons.

    Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Well said Madame Ambassador (I really hope this woman goes further; and I note the new President of Venezuela and her are both former transport trade union leaders...) Nothing good will come from a Yes vote, just more of the same running sore. I know I don't come here that much, or at all really in the last few weeks, but I saw this brilliant article and thought it might be good to share with the Islanders on here as they prepare to vote...

    Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bystander

    Historically, all appears rather muddy and besides; The Falklands or The Malvinas (depending on your language) can be argued over for eternity.
    History is interesting but doesn't provide for our tomorrow's.
    Bashing heads together instead of fists may be boring in comparison but commonsense and compromise will be much more profitable.

    Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • God.Is.An.Illusion

    Opinions are like noses: each picks his own!

    Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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