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Latinamerican leaders praise Chavez and prepare to travel to Caracas for his funeral on Friday
All Latinamerican leaders expressed their deep sorrow over the death of President Hugo Chavez, and several of them will be travelling to Caracas for his funeral scheduled next Friday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe eulogy Chavez deserves
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-s-authoritarian-legacy
And a legacy only a Fascist could love.
We are all Chavez.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0How does one go from poor, to military man, to coup leader, to a prisoner, to president to billionaire? I net worth of U$2,000,000,000? His people and country may be in ruins, not him and his family.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/hugo-chavez-net-worth/
More on the clown tyrant from The Atlantic
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/chavez-wasnt-just-a-zany-buffoon-he-was-an-oppressive-autocrat/273745/
@2. And the fascists weep
Why has Argentina deckared 3 days of mourning, what's it to do with them?! I've seen the pictures of the crying masses in Venezuela, that's not a normal reaction for a politician's death, more like a religious cult. Very disturbing.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gface
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0A fascist? A tell you what a fascist is. A person who hates for reasons of race, ideology, religion, sexuality. A hatred that makes them kill, rape, torture and steal. A person like Pinochet, Bordaberry, Galtieri, Kissinger, Thatcher, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco.
You will not change the fact that Hugo Chavez improved the life of millions of Venezuelans and even more Latin Americans. After all, he was not elected to represent your ideas. I understand it may be difficult for you to embrace the idea of not invade other nation, not torture people. But you can't seriously be calling Chavez a fascist seeing what is happening around the world.
And mounting up a personal fortune of 1 billion dollars whilst doing it. Not only a fascist, but a thieving fascist ay that!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 06: you're confusing fascism with the legacy of particular legacies and not the actual meaning of the word ”a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized government headed by a leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”. By definition, he was indeed a fascist.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 its called sucking up, but for what reason? maybe argentina needs venezuela to uphold chavez's promise to fight its battles, maybe to warm the waters when she eventually seeks asylum in Venezuela with her familys billions,
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0or to secure even more money chavez promised to pay his argentine hoare for services rendered, sh*t that might be how chubby contracted cancer in the first place.
........good riddance, i call for 4 days of celebration.
SELF-DETERMINATION..........
at least tango1 will be safe!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to see The Botox Queen Crissy Kierchner feels safe to use Tango1 to fly to Caracas without fear of it being inpounded.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three days of mourning thats three days of the economy recieving nothing and then two weeks of mourning after next weeks vote in the Falklands
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He improved peoples life all over Latin America, what nation or race did he exalt in that malicious act. Are you upset he used the excess of your welfare to do so, maybe? A centralized government you say? No where in America, North and South has there been so many elections as in Venezuela, all observed by international bodies. Call it excessive if you wish, but never centralized. About your severe economic and social regimentation, the CEPAL, United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean, ECLAC in english, have remarked the impressive improvements in social and economical progress since the creation of Chavez' social programs. The only ones that are poorer are the ones who made profit of other peoples needs.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. Yes because Chavez never shut down the media that didn't praise him 24/7... To create a near monolithic pres natative (part of the reason he was reelected). He never inprisoned judges into the “general population” to retaliate against rulings that he prescribed (independent judiciaries are sooooo passé). Never said that “your vote is secret, your signature isn't” and certainly never created a Tascon List (whatever that would be since it never happened). Created a cult of personality and an army of red clad thugs (red shirts, brown shirts? Tyranny is colorblind and the jackboot feels the same on your neck).
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He waddled when walked over the rights of Venezuelans, he quacked for HOURS on end in his endless cadenas. And likely died of quackery in Cuba according to VE doctors (on Stalin's checkout day, odd choice if he was in a freezer as long as some claim...). Duck test passed.
She wants to be the first ass kisser on scene, probably throw a peresonalised cheque into the coffin for the money they how him, better still, double the amount and ask for the difference in $US.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aparently they are blaming the Americans for his death,
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no doubt CFK will add her piece of plastic to this debate,
all one can say is to the unmighty CFK is,
Dont cry for me Argentina,
cry for Chavez insted .
It will be a competition to see who can grieve the most - ie North Korean style.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ones who should be are the Cubans as their economy is going to spiral without the Venezuelan subsidy.
@16. Oh and silly me how could I forget his raid on a jewsh school, a Jewish organization, and making a number of objectively anti-Semitic statements. Waddle on, Stevie...
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 018
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we thinks you have the wrong post , to reply to
steve is at 13,
My bad. That was to @6:-)
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheers
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Then you are all DEAD!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Is that what he told you to say. Try a real definition of fascism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist Get that primary word? TOTALITARIAN. See what it's hostile to? But then I forgot, fascist states start with RE-EDUCATION! And how did Chavez “improve” things? By turning a country self-sufficient in food to one that has to import food to survive? By spending revenue from oil on Russian combat aircraft for which he had no need. But then poor ignorant peasants are so much easier to control, aren't they?
@13 I see that you are one of the brain-scrubbed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist
Read all the exciting news, why don't you?
Perfect time for a coup d'état in Argentina.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Stevie Killing your own countrymen isn't a necessary trait of fascism and the fact that you improve the lives of many doesn't stop you being a fascist. If it did, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Peron wouldn't have been fascists, but everyone recognises that they were.
I just showed you, by your own definitiobs, he's not a fascist. The man fed his country and continent with the excess of your welfare. Many countries doing the same is the reason of your financial crisis and the reason of your agony. Somos todos Chavez.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least CFK didn't have to hunt around for something black to wear.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not Chavez. Neither am I brainwashed.
@16 I hope that's true, as it will give our American cousins a reason to be pissed off with SA and finally get off the fence
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As astonishing as next weeks referendum. But with all respect, how does your failure to understand a concept make those who appreciate it brain-washed?
@13 - “He improved peoples life”
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if that was all he had done then I would have something nice to say about him, but it wasn't all he did was it.
@27
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole point of being brain-washed is that those have been don't know that they have.
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Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela is crying rivers, you don't know what you are talking about.
life goes on.................... next!!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 - “Venezuela is crying rivers”
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is traditional when authoritarian leaders die. Look at the Kims and Stalin.
Perhaps they should play this on his funeral...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgEwcwLaG4
32
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe, but then again, the surrounding nations expressing their support is a bit harder for you to explain. Try brain-washed, great excuse, and watch.
@33
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surronding nations give their support to Argentina's mythical malvinas islands but that doesn't mean they truely believe in it, it is just a front. Its called being diplomatic. It would be a massive snub for the leaders of surrounding nations to say: 'He's dead is he? Who cares?' They all pretend to be mornful and full of praise for the dead leader but privately they may well be thinking 'thank God for that'.
IMPOSIBLE APAGAR TANTO FUEGO.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In such a sad moment, i just can say that Hugo Chavez's legacy will last for many years, not only in Venezuela, but in all the rest of latinamerica too.
He was a very controversial politician, with a very particular stile, but nobody in Venezuela made as much as he did, for the poorest sectors of the society who haven't been in the agenda of the different presidents for years.
If he was so extemelly hated by the richest sectors of the venezuelan society, and by imperialism, isn't because of his mistakes, or because of the corruption cases that involved his govt., or because of his push of power against the most powerful mediatic corporations from his country. Although many hipocrites don't recognize it, the reasons why he was so hated, were because he has never accepted to be an u. s. a.'s muppet, and because he fought strongly in order to achieve an equaler society in Venezuela.
Despite all his contradictions and negative aspects, he left a legacy of dignity, which will be remembered and defended by millions of us in latinamerica, in order to achieve more social justice for our countries, and not to be again nobody's backyard.
34
Mar 06th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was talking about the people, not the government.
@36
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt the ordinary person on the street could careless about the death of a leader of some other nation. I for one, don't care as his death doesn't affect me or anyone I know. Of course he'll have his supporters, all leaders do no matter what policies they make.
I don't know enough about Chavez or his policies to approve or condem the man but to say the whole of latinamerica is sobbing with grief at his death seems somewhat unlikely....
Sucks, then what do you all a person who leverages a foreign enemy and uses Jews as domestic enemies, puts locks on the press especially the broadcaset medium, and even on antigovernment satirie on TV dramas (or since Germany didn't have Telenovellas, that doesn't count?), panders to consipracy theories, imprisons judges who don't run cases as they are told, sends police to go Kent State on protesting college student, sends goons clad in party oriented aparel to rough up the opposition? If you're name is Stevie, I suspect that such a person would be called a Liberal Democrat as long as you feed a few poor people while standing on the necks of your opponents.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chavez had however a very familar waddle:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/17/venezuela-concentration-and-abuse-power-under-ch-vez
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/17/venezuela-concentration-and-abuse-power-under-ch-vez
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/17/venezuela-concentration-and-abuse-power-under-ch-vez
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/07/17/venezuela-concentration-and-abuse-power-under-ch-vez
Additonally, Chavez was able to integrate athoritatian populism, athoritarian fascism, athoritarian socialism and authoritarian party-machine populism into a gig that stroked his ego for years on end. And good riddance to him. The racket he has built up for his enjoyment and validation die quickly after him.
So another dictator out of the way seems like those who support Argentina come of worst in life maybe it is a wake up call to the rest who think Argentina has the right to rule South America and every other nations rights. So he is gone , so what life goes on. Leaders crying over other leaders deaths never cry for their own people that they displace. Good to remember that.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 not only do you appologists for Chavez have a strange idea for what authoritatianism and fascism aren't, but... uh... “Dignity?” They guy was a buffoon. If it's dignity you're jonesing for, your Eva Peron had it even (heck, especially) to the end, creating a persona of style and dignity that even her modern critics cannot deny. But Chavez? DIGNITY? Jiminy Christmas. The man had no shame. You guys really need to recalibrate your grip on reality even more than I need to recalibrate my proofreading skills.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russia Today's Spanish service accuses U.S. of killing him:
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Eva Golinger: Hay evidencias que EE.UU. habría inducido el cáncer a Hugo Chávez”:
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/88236-chavez-venezuela-eeuu-armas-biologicas
And on Youtube: http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/88236-chavez-venezuela-eeuu-armas-biologicas
He did do a huge amount for the poorest in society which, until that time, no other president in that country had done. Those poorest of people owe him a debt of gratitude and we can see this now with “rivers of tears”. YOu can't really dispute this however much you dislkied the man. What you can ask if whether the poorset in the country would have preferred to have the $2bn of personal wealth amassed by Chavez or the $100m stolen during his time in power split out equally among them instead or the handouts resulting from the social policies during his time.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42, the other thing they need to ask is if they could have had a president that was kind to the poor AND tolerant of dissent, human rights and checks-n-balances. Chavez wasn't a go for the latter categories and deserves all the damnation he gets for it. If there's one thing that gets under my craw every time it's people who insist that to have a full rice bowl, you need a gulag (but just for people who disagree with ~you~ of course).
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 Stevie
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nor, as is patently obvious to anyone with even half a brain, do you.
@35 Axel : Of course he won't be forgotten . Argentina still reveres the last S American demagogue that gave away & stole his country's wealth 70 years ago . Emptying the country's coffers by simply giving money away ( while keeping a lot back for yourself ) is not social justice , it's buying votes .
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Social justice is creating the conditions for people to improve themselves through education , employment , financial and personal security and stability .
But hey , what do you care ? You get free notebooks and barbeques for writing your drivel .
I can only hope he died in absolute agony to match the pain he inflicted with his extra-jusicial killings aka murders.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pity there is no heaven or hell and he will be out of it now.
Pathetic and deplorable conduct of British forumers who celebrate the death of a great person and a great liberator of America. Because of that celebration Mercopress closed its comment page only announcing his death. Embarrassment of these forumers English.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 axel arg
Excellent analysis and description of the imprint left Hugo Chavez. He has left a very deep mark in world politics. In addition to his conduct, consistency of his speeches and deeds, and his political project, we tracked the joy and dignity to every American. It gives us strength to continue fighting against all forms of colonialism, racism and imperialism.
( 42) Welsh Wizard
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have been long in here at Mercopress and I have learned that you are usually “No Turnip”....
But you have a disturbing tendency to repeat and believe in totally unfunded figures that some Turnips just toss around on the Internet...
Would you please link us to any credible source of information that mentions those..: “ $2bn of personal wealth amassed by Chavez” ???
Would you please link us to any credible source of information that mentions maybe..: “ $20M of personal wealth amassed by Chavez” ???
Would you please link us to any credible source of information that mentions even...:“ $2M of personal wealth amassed by Chavez” ???
Would you be so kind ???
Then why clever bollocks haven't they closed this page. Hardly much better on here is it???????? Duhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great thief you mean, 2 billion they reckon, then again you lot don't mind being ripped off do you. Racsit, imperialism, that's rich comimg from a nation that does not recognise a people exist, or drags out some crack pot lawyer to clasify them has untermensch! and claims the UN supports his racist shit!
Now f....k off and mourn this asshole, the rest of us will get on with witnessing real democracy. Did us a favour realy thawing him out when they did, I thought they would keep him on ice a bit longer. At least the Islanders can get on with the referendum in peace and quiet.
@47 “.... a great liberator of America”
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell it to Judge Afiuni.
@48
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0allow me
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
Type 'personal wealth amassed by Chavez' into google and this is what pops up on the first page alone.
@48
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, I'm afraid that I can't mainly because it came from work so it would break my NDA. Sorry. Having said that, I can't but like him and feel that we've lost someone who gave the world some colour. I'm not able to make a judgement on his policies and freedom of the press as I note that Human rights organisations decry his Human Rights record but when you speak to people on the ground they disagree, I still can't decide whether these things are relative and, if they are, how relative.
@47 I apologise for some of my countrymen who have reacted like this. We don't see the whole picture from here and most of us don't understand that people would swap a totally “free” media (run by oligarchs) for drinking water which is unpolluted and not subject to crippling charges.
After-all, anyone who stands up after G W Bush has spoken at the UN and says “the devil was just here, it stills smells of sulphur” can't be all that bad...
52 Welsh Wizar
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, at least there's always a decent English you can learn something good.
Mail: Face1354@hotmail.com
He amassed a $2 billion dollar fotune on a $52,000 per year salary. He clearly was a financial genius. Kind of like CFK and her multimillion dollar net worth
Mar 06th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 Welsh Wizard (#)
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 06th, 2013 - 03:20 pm
Hugo Chávez did do a lot for the poorest Venezuelans, but all he did was for nothing, he gave them temporary hand-outs and the hope of more to come, but he did nothing to help them over the long haul, unemployment has risen to enormous degrees in the last 14 years and it is the poorest that are paying the price of that and are suffering from inflation. Just like the poorest here in Argentina!!!!!
(52) Welsh Wizard
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So..... you basically are telling me that Hugo Chavez, a man that openly defied the USA during some 15 years, has stolen $2bn and neither you (nor the CIA) can't present any proof of it...... ?
(Other than some hastily typed words on some dodgy Internet sites)
(51) Foxtrot Indigo
The above goes also to you......
EACH ONE of your dodgy links identificate the origin of their information as the SAME source….:
A certain Mr. Jerry Brewer from ”Criminal Justice International Associates”, a risk assessment and global analysis firm in Miami, Fla.”
Let's”Google” that ”Criminal Justice International Associates”, shall we?........:
http://cjiausa.org/
Wooooow...
Very thrustworthy page.....
There is even an American Flag on the Front Page!
You guys are really making it hard for me to believe in Anglo-Saxon supremacy......
Brainvash anybody?
@56
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the calculation are based on the amount of oil production etc, the revenue from that production and the missing amounts inbetween. Very much like the amount of money that arrived in Argentina during th time of Menem, the amount of things actually done with that money and the difference inbetween
(57) Welsh Wizard
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Using your same (useless) parameters......
What would be the amount of “personal wealth amassed by each and every British politician”.....based of the couple of trillions £ missing after the London Libor scandal?
Let's keep things in perspective, shall we?
LMAO
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are all Hugo Chavez? Who?..yes your mother !!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't us be Merkel? Or Lula? Or Bachelet? Serious goverments that care the people's money and try to solve the basic needs of people whitout “dreamings” and whitout “revolutions of fantasy”.
After reading the post of some of my felow countrymen in this article it's quite clear why people from FI want to be very far from us. I would do exactly the very same thing.
The more I know LATAM the more I understand FI people.
@52... A little perspective please.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A: if W (and I'm no fan) were to have snuffed it while in office (and need I remind you there was fantasy drama on this very subject) were we be calling for respect? Doubt it.
B: “After-all, anyone who stands up after G W Bush has spoken at the UN and says “the devil was just here, it stills smells of sulphur” can't be all that bad...” Got a crap human rights record? Need a little cover? Just say “Bush-Hitler” while mugging for the camera and all is forgiven. Saying this is the US would get you lots of laughs and applause no matter how predictable it got. And then there was Spitting Image in the UK, nuff said, and that's WITH your country's hyperactive libel law where truth and fact are not only no defense, they are the rope by which exposed scoundrels will hang you. I mean come on, even a stupid anti-Chavez comment revolving around a lost doggie got a telenovella canceled, he and his minions were THAT thin skinned. Speaking truth to power in Chavez's Venezuela carries the same consequence as speaking ~math~ to power in Argentina when it's time to review inflation stats. It's very easy for us living in “northern” liberal democracies to forget that for some people in the world, saying “no” can have a wide spectrum bad consequences. That's dictocracy for you.
And once again, how many people have to be fined, jailed or otherwise silenced for clean water to come out of the tap. That cliche is old, cynical, dishonest and revolting. Last time I looked, you still can't get clean water everywhere in VE nor improved their murder stats, and that's after shutting down RCTV, jailing judges, thuggish intimidation, and making it safe for people to watch dramas without little Huguito getting lost. I'm pretty sure that they can get their progressive social goals in while following more ... “borgeouse” liberal standards, but this way there is no criticism to get in the way of their mission -- and of course their egos.
# 54 not bad for a socialist. Not even capitalist can do that, unless thievery is involved.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0648 Britsh Billionare MP's running the government. Who would think it?
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like I said LMAO.
62
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bush made 20B in his 8 years, Blair 12B, Cameron is currently at 4.5B. Just take a look at the numbers, they're right there, next to Chavez'.
Not according to Argetinas favourite source.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://presstv.com/detail/2012/07/04/249391/blair-amasses-hu...
@56
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That money partly went to the people working in the banks at the time but mainly to back up balance sheets. Our politicians generally don't have wealth in the multi-millions. Only Bliar has amassed that kind of cash which he got after leaving office
@56 Think
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please provide evidence that the links I provided are all false or shall we just assume from your lack of response that you can't?
My link would not open. Press TV estimated it at £6M, another British source estimated it at £45M.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of no matter, we all know it is no where near 12B as usual it's rubbish, then again it is what we have come to expect.
It's true, it's right there on theextremestoflefts.com and newestpropaganda.org
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russians now just a little bit concerned that the many billions of dollars of arms deals with Venezuela to buy tanks, SAMs, etc, might not be rock-solid:
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.ria.ru/business/20130306/179851612/Venezuelan-Politics-May-Blow-Cold-on-Russian-Contracts.html
(67) Foxtrot Indigo
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say.....:
“ please provide evidence that the links I provided are all false or shall we just assume from your lack of response that you can't?”
I say.....:
1) Go to ANY of your own provided “Links”....
2) Read it carefully....
3) Proceed to the provided “Source of information”….: http://cjiausa.org/
4) Try to find that mentioned “Report about Chavez”
5) Any luck?
Disinformation is an old Art, my squatting Kelper friend....
Just look what the Tudors (with Shakespeare’s help) did to poor Plantagenet King Richard III’s public image……
All those sweet & tender young boys……
Think,
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't need to read articles in the web to know the kind of person Chavez was. He had the very same had the same disease that had (and has) most of the populist dictators or Third World (Peron, Pinochet, Franco, J.M. de Rosas, Stroessnerr, Mussolini, Hussein, Gadafi, etc.).
Power Paranoia, delusions of grandeur, messianism, intolerance of different opinions, dedication to perpetuate himself in power, manipulation of public opinion, etc..
None of them can, or could, withstand a cold and objective analysis of their economic statistics in the medium to long term.
The existence of these individuals, the warlordism, is undoubtedly a Latin American disease that thrives in its Hispanic and Catholic roots of the continent. And that has brought its ruin.
@Raul, And when Margaret Thatcher passes no doubt we will get the same kind of hate from Argentina fact is you people would rather defend a tyrant who robbed his country blind,why don't you tell us all how a president can ammas $2 billion dollors or even $70 million like your dear lady Crissy Kirchner tell us all now how do they do it????? WE ARE WAITING
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when they have no solid argument,
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they change the question or throw, insults,
thay know they defend what they are told to defend.
Andy, I can explain that. It's quite easy.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abuse and influence of power, contracts awarded to her owned companies to provide to public companies with services while she is in charge of Government, transfer provincal owned lands to her private property, reception of undue pensions, public resource utilization to her benefit, construction of public works in lands of her property (or her partner ones)..that's the way CFK made fortune
26 slattzzz
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was on TV last night and today,
Some are blaming the USA .
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@76 cheers mate, how the hell did that happen I know the CIA are good but WTF? Still I reckon the popes to blame for Man U getting beat last night.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stink can't you read not everyone can be wrong http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/03/supposed-socialist-champion-chavez-pilfered-2-billion-fortune-from-government-coffers-2593764.html, or is it you believe what you want to believe and nothing will get in the way of that you blinkered twat.
“”“”“”“”Argentine president Cristina Fernandez suspended all official activities, declared three days of mourning and will be flying to Caracas for the funeral. “”“”“”“”“””
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0any excuse for a shopping trip.
bet she takes $USD
phnaa phnaa
77 slattzzz = read this, it should open ok.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hugo Chavez death: Thousands march with coffin
Scroll down to
[the plot]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/
Mr Maduro has mentioned a plot against Venezuela
The US promptly rejected the accusations as ”absurd
Two US diplomats had been expelled from the country
Read on……….
well i suppose she will be quiet for three days thats a bonus, mind you she's been quiet for a while now since she realised she's getting nowhere on the Falklands front just leaving her piss boys to speak and embarrass themselves on her behalf. Probably thinking this will take the heat off whats happening in rgenweener for a few days. WRONG TWAT.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chaneel 4 doing a piece on this, with George Galloway of all people, the man is talking from Libya. Suprise, suprise, he was a good friend of the great Hugo! The man makes you want to throw up. Is there no despot or dictator he has not been to bed with!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0possably not lol.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think the dollar clamp would affect her.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway she travels with the official and corporate Credit Card.....
@79 cunning yanks fancy giving someone cancer eh, naughty people................................what a crock of shit, I suppose the Americans made him smoke 40 a day
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like this Scott and his rrrrolling Rrrrrrr's...
http://www.votegeorgegalloway.com/2013/03/the-death-of-hugo-chavez.html
@85 you would he's thick as fook as well just your type
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will Christina wear the dark glasses after the result of the Falkland's referendum?
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 she'll have to she'll be crying that much
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 Galloway is an Rrrrrr's:
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100153712/george-galloways-muslim-conversion-why-the-big-secret
One of yours, you're welcome to the c**t.
Well, poor KFC’s lost her bestest friend in the world Chubby Chávez. So she’s flown to Caracas with her begging bowl to kiss the ring of his successor. How sad.
“I like this Scott and his rrrrolling Rrrrrrr's...”
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hes just one more sellout to future positions as an “executive director” for companies who need dodgy Political “ins”. Corrupt as all the rest I'm afraid el Thinko.
@85 lol george gallaway, nice one :))))))
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how about my links ?
www.Krustyclownnews.com/2013/chavez_ate_my_hamster
www.VoteMrBean.co.uk/chavez_in_sex_change_shocker
So CDK has suspended all official activities and left for Caracas. Thus, Venezuela's loss is Argentina's gain.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some left-wing leaders walk the walk and live under the same conditions as the people. However, most merely pay lip service to the cause while amassing great wealth. I have no idea which Chavez was but what I know is that to truly lift people out of poverty you need to educate & train them and give their potential employers a stable and lawful business environment. Simply giving the poor handouts and making them even less independent is economically and socially useless. A US congressman on the C4 news 10 mins ago quoted Thatcher: “The problem with socialists is that they always run out of other people's money”. So Chavez can only really be judged AFTER the oil wealth has gone. Will Venezuela have an abundance of schools and universities and profit-making companies, or, lots of poor people crying about the old days?
Well, good for Argentina. It 'appears' as if they're 'secretly' moving some money out of their accounts ahead of mid-years bond verdict: http://www.businessinsider.com/argentinas-downward-spiral-2013-3
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93 not looking good is it?...................................Oh well nice weather today
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's good for Argentines to start financing themselves, & they can then either blame or credit their ethics & efficiency on themselves.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Singer's not going to be broke by it.
And Argentines who want a positive, happy, free future might want to leave for a little while, expand their mind & become global citizens.
Gringos have a curious and annoying trait. If a Latin leader is freely elected by their people such as Chavez or Correa or even Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner you guys seem to think that just because you don't agree with their view on things that they are somehow not legitimate. Chavez was LOVED by his people (for better or for worse) and his replacement will annihilate the opposition come election time. There is NO ONE on this earth that can defeat them at the elections, it will be a victory of biblical proportions. Venezuela is not going to change its political trajectory as long as they can finance their model it ain't gonna change, so get used to it and be a little more civilized and respectful. We Chileans are the opposite politically to Chavism, Kirchnerism etc. BUT we respect the wishes of their people to CHOOSE who ever the hell they want to rule them, it's their right. Comprende!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(96) Hermanito...
Mar 06th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Se me pianta un lagrimón!
@96 crikey chill out .I think you'll find that people on here state thier discord because of a certain person who wont let the Falkland islanders CHOOSE whoever they want to rule them, nothing personal against the decent people of south america comprende.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those who now come after Chavez will need to address some serious issues in Venezuela:
Mar 06th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Homicide rate - Venezuela #5:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
Human Development Index - Venezuela #73:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
Press freedom - Venezuela #117:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
Global Peace Index - Venezuela #123:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
Corruption Perception Index - Venezuela #165:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
@97 We Chileans are the opposite politically to Chavism, Kirchnerism etc. BUT we respect the wishes of their people to CHOOSE who ever the hell they want to rule them, it's their right. Comprende!
Mar 06th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get that Stink this applies to the Falkland Islands as well or is that a different thing in your fookin tiny mind
President Piñera Speaks about the death of President Chavez.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/Aw2pJey4GC0
Here he states that he will be attending the funeral.
http://youtu.be/Aw2pJey4GC0
On a lighter note...
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who thinks CFK is going to turn up asking Venezuela to honour a huge cheque with a very dodgy looking Chavez signature on it?
why has tango one got Juan D Peron as president on it he's not president anymore in case you hadn't noticed.....................oh silly me thats in case they want to impound it and can say it's not ours
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting thought that all these South America and Bolivarian Socialist thieves will be under one roof at one time. While the idiot theories cling to the idea that the USA “infected” chubby with cancer( if we had it I think we have more demanding candidates), here are a grand opportunity for change.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well,,
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Accidences do happen.
But to get them all in one go,
Is not impossible..
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@104 quite right mate who the fook in thier right mind would believe the US infected Chav with cancer, ignore the fact he smoked 40 cigs a day and cigars as well (obviously Cuban) just goes to show how deluded they are looking for any excuse, if we really wanted to infect someone CFK, Tinman and the trollie dolly would be history by now, I suppose we let them off for entertainment value though
Mar 06th, 2013 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@102 lol
Mar 07th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 096 The Chilean perspective
Mar 07th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chileans are politically opposite to Chavez, Kirchner etc but we respect the wishes of its people to choose who ever the hell they want to govern, it is their right. Understand!
Very good reflection. Latin America has transparency in the choice of their rulers. Unfortunately the British forumers criticize not only Argentina, have a hatred and resentment towards all that is Latin America. A typical feature of English colonialism and imperialism.
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Mar 07th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice infographic-Argentina invests the most per person on health care in LatAm!!!!! Venezuela, with $108 a barrell oil, spends the least (excluding countries with no data.) http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_#!ctype=c&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=s&met_y=health_expenditure_of_gdp&fdim_y=public_private:3&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&idim=country:VEN:CHL:ARG:BRA&ifdim=country:region:LAC&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false
Mar 07th, 2013 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@108 - Raul
Mar 07th, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British don't hate anyone and we don't have resentment for South America, why would we? Stop projecting your own racist attitudes onto others.
I didn't particularly like Chavez, mostly regarding his attitude and politics, but I certainly didn't hate him. Why would I, I've never even met him?
The people of Venezuela will mourn him, and then like human beings all around the world do, will carry on with their lives. Some will miss him, some won't.
As for the Dear Leader CFK calling for 3 days of mourning, I'm not sure why, but hey, if she wants to shirk her Presidential responsibility by sodding off for days on end, then so be it. The only people who will suffer for her neglect are the Argentinian people.
No doubt she will now use Chavez's death as an excuse for ........(insert reason here), instead of admitting that she is a crap President.
@111 LEPRecon
Mar 07th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0President Sebastián Piñera of Chile has also declared 3 days official mourning for Chavez and he is the total opposite politically. It's about respect not political theory.
Between 3 and 7 days of mourning in: Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Cuba, Bolivia and Brazil.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Weird for a dictator, wouldn't you say?
A lie doesn't become truth becasuse you repeat it enough times. Only thing you'll manage is to create a parallel reality in your heads.
We are all Chavez!
Didn't you forget to mention Ecuador, where is the prince in waiting, the darling of the Bolivarian Republics? El Presidente for Life Correa?
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't heard of Ecuador yet. And should the people vote for him again and again, it's not my call to tell them they shouldn't. Or yours. It's their democratic decision. Remember democracy? Just as they don't tell you who to vote on.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are all Chavs.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav
Nice link you got.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Whatever their ethnic background, Chavs have a built-in affinity to hip-hop/R&B, even if they are inherently racist (see the Scottish). They see their life as glamorous and cool. ”
Why do you guys hate Scotland? Is it inherited?
Q. What can you sell in Argentina for 50 pesos?
Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0A. Your vote.
Ah, democracy in action, don't you just love it!
Nice chatting with you.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, it never ended with Chavez. It started with him.
GFACE. USURPING PIRATE. RAUL.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GFACE-USURPING PIRATE: As i always say, it's necesary to have intellectual honesty in oder to debate about something so complicated like politic. However, unfortunatelly, that's something that many of you don't have, thats' why you often make such ignorant and mediocre analysis.
I don't deny chave'z contradictions and negative aspects, but if i want to make a serious analysis, i can't invalid what he did for the poorest sectors of the venezuelan society, or make a too partial analysis like what you made in your comments.
In my opinion, somebody who eliminated analphabetism, who cretaed 23 public universities around the country, or who gave public health services for the poorest sectors from the society, or who created millions of jobs, and improved the economic situations of millions of venezuelans who worked in very precarious conditions, or who has never accepted to be an u. s. a.'s muppet, can't be considered as a demagogue, that's actually the tipical ignorant and mediocre view of people from imperialist nations.
I have no doubt that if chavez had been conservative, and pro financial sistem, he would have been admired by planty of you, and by imperialism.
Chavez was a very controversial politician who commited serious mistakes too. Beside, his administration was suspected of corruption cases, thats' why i say he was very controversial. But it's necesary to make an ample analysis, instead of making the tipical ignorant comparisons that many of you usually make.
RAUL: Thank you.
According to Wiki 3, that's 3 public universities have opened in Venezuala since 2000. By my calculation that is 21 less than you claim, bit of a discrepancy there, I would suggest. Three public universities for theworlds second largest oil producing country, some feat that is!
Mar 07th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REALITY CHECK.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wiki can say whatever, i just take into account what i heard in different documentals about his government.
RIP Commandante Chavez, great man, leader of the poor, titan of history. Tragic that he predeceased his own mother, and his mentor Fidel - he should have lived for decades longer, and the world will be a duller place without him. His legacy though endures; the poor are hardly going to vote the oligarchy back in now they have a working alternative, and most the rest of the continent are following his lead, with leaders like Morlaes, Correa and of course the lovely Cristina =)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@123fake-Brit Kirchnerist
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, BK, - another gratuitous “lovely Cristina” to piss some of us off, and make others laugh!!
Chavez lifted many from the ranks of 'the poor' towards a new Middle Class, with Venezuela's oil money.
Despite that, he was a lousy economist who left debt and high inflation, but little lasting benefit for the generations to follow.
CFK learned well from Chavez - lined her pockets well with public money, just like him. 'Great friends' they were,
And guess what, now that he's dead, she could not be bothered to waste her time at his funeral - the only one to leave early and not even the excuse of a pressing hair appointment. Some ' friend of Venezuela'!!
Looking forward to the Referendum.
Now a taxidermist will preserve him like the other three commies.....Lenin, Mao and Minh.......I guess he believes in bad company than no company. He is still burning in the fiery ambers of hell for eternity, waiting for for Christina shoveling with Nestor.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0BRITISH KIRCHNERIST.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How are you, it's been a long time that we don't talk. I wanted to tell you that in janory 25th, i went with my partners from, Movimiento nacional por la igualdad, belonging to Movimiento Evita, to casa rosada (government house) to see cristina.
Casa rosada was full of activists, and we could see her prefectly, shes was at just a few metres from where we were watching the act.
It was one of the happiest moments of my life, she is as beatiful as she appears on tv, and we spent such an unforgetable moment.
I wanted to share this with you, because you admire here too, regards.
126 axel arg
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA beautiful? Beautiful?
Go to Specsavers: two pairs of glasses (lentes) for the price of one.
#126 Great to hear that from you, glad you saw her and glad (though I never doubted) that she really is as beautiful up close =) If you are ever at another such event and get to meet and greet, perhaps send her my besos as a British supporter as well =) Will see if I can find your email from when you posted it and may get in touch some time away from this this hostile ground =)
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#127 Seems to be a widely held view; seeing as you're getting on a bit, maybe its you who should go to specsavers =)
Chris.....I've seen artists take dog shit and call it art. Obviously BK sees human shit (cfk) and calls it beauty.......same blindness
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