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Falklands’ YES and NO results and possible consequences

Thursday, March 7th 2013 - 22:21 UTC
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Next Sunday and Monday Falkland Islanders will be voting in a referendum and will be asked a very simple and direct question: “Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?” Read full article

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  • CaptainSilver

    KFC has left the Chavez fest early so she can sail under a ' peace ' flag on that Libertad with a youth crew for the Falklands, or something like that to steal the thunder caused by a massive Falklands yes vote. Imagine, a sailing ship being threatened by Typhoons and an Astute class. Would look like Israeli tanks attacking Palestinians. Or, have they got the balls?

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • womble

    ^^^^
    Probably one of the most sensible predictions I've seen on here for a while. I'm sure KFC would try something like that, so bad timing on Chavez's part to cramp her style.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am sure she will organise something in protest - or Fat Max's band of thugs will. But she could have stayed for the funeral and still have been home in time for her stunt.

    It was announced that she was going to attend the funeral. After she landed in Venezuela and after what ever it was that pissed her off, she told her ministers she had changed her plans and was going home. Something happened to cause her to leave in a huff.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    Not spent on making stupid disquisitions. If YES or NO, in no way changes the status of being one of the 16 territories awaiting decolonization, a territory illegally occupied by “squatters” desperate to global evidence of truth.
    If the Malvinas Argentinas were “English” would never think of calling a referendum but it shows what I always said Argentina: British implanted in Argentina.
    “I think that the people that live in the Islands can do whatever they wish. They have that right and it can’t be denied. But nevertheless the discussion is not self determination but sovereignty over the Islands according to the UN documentation”, said Ambassador Morejon Pazmiño

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raven

    I wonder why my first post (#1) was removed? And there is complaints of bias on here!

    I simply said...

    Whatever the Falklanders want.

    Help with foreign office or defence.
    Independence.
    Allie with Argentina.
    Full control from Bs As.

    Their choice.

    I hope the voter turnout is 90%+

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KFC de Pollo

    Malvinas Argentinas is in Argentina
    you can find them here :
    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Malvinas+Argentinas,+Buenos+Aires+Province,+Argentina&hl=en&sll=-32.894471,-68.864794&sspn=0.026486,0.066047&hnear=Malvinas+Argentinas,+Buenos+Aires+Province,+Argentina&t=m&z=14

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    José Malvinero (#)
    What a load of crap and you know it. If as you say we Islanders are squatters then by the grace of god what the hell are you doing on land that does not belong to you. Give it back to the indigenous people or otherwise shut the hell up you whining excuse for an Argentine.
    Our Country is only being claimed by Argentina because we are about to do what your Country has always wanted to do extract the oil around us.
    Too late Argies because that now will never happen and you know it. What it will do for us is increase our population tenfold and then it will be even harder for your Country to make an impression.
    Go back in the hole you are digging for yourself you looser and take CFK with you.

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    “ Malvinas is Arg!” Load of rubbish. There are two pints of milk in every bar of Cadburys milk tray! Clunk clip on every trip! Drinka pinta milkaday! Gangman style!

    All just as irelavent..... In troll speak SHUT UP!

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    6 KFC de Pollo
    and here:

    http://www.portalplanetasedna.com.ar/archivos_varios3/mapa_politico_argentina.jpg

    Mar 07th, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Argentina ceded her claim to the Islands eons ago, through her failure to bring her claim in a timely manner, before an appropriate court. Again UN resolutions are merely advisements, they are not international law. The islands are not illegally occupied according to the tenets of international law, and that trumps UN resolutions.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    8 CaptainSilver

    “There are two pints of milk in every bar of Cadburys Dairy milk”

    Actually, that used to be true..........until Kraft got their dirty, dirty, thieving American hands on it......

    Ever tasted a “Hershy” bar........? Two little words “Doggy Choc's”

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    I can make it simpler still.

    The current political status of the Falkland Islands is that they are an Overseas Territory belonging to but not part of the United Kingdom. The Islands are internally self-administering, with the United Kingdom being ultimately responsible for everything. Under the Falkland Islands Constitution the people of the Falkland Islands have individual Human rights, which they can exercise at any time. Given that Argentina and its allies are calling for negotiations over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands, this referendum is being undertaken to consult the people regarding their views on the political status of the Falkland Islands. Should the majority of votes cast be against the current status, the Falkland Islands Government will undertake necessary consultation and preparatory work in order to conduct a further referendum on alternative options one of which may include a renegotiation of the 2008 Constitution to give executive power to an elected representative of the people.

    There, that wasn't too difficult to understand was it? And before any of the FI electorate gets too excited, just ask yourself who it was decided that the oil revenue would be ring fenced within the Consolidated Fund prior to it being put in a Sovereign Wealth Fund (and who has that sovereignty).

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    You can also fine the Falkland Islands situated 400 miles from South America but it makes no differance because they fly the British Flag and will continue to do so. One day an uprising will come within Argentina and when it does Argentina as a Country will fall. Just as has all the other dictators throughout the world. Every Country on it's border will take a slice of the cake and history will be made again.Remember that once powerfull USSR. Not so powerful today.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    CFK will look for any and all cracks,
    then she will exploit it to the UN .

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @3 CFK left Chavez's funeral because she didn't want to be seen with the president of Iran. After the uproar caused by the agreement with Iran, taking a photo with Mr. unpronouncable name would be a mistake.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”“”6 KFC de Pollo
    and here:

    www.portalplanetasedna.com.ar/archivos_varios3/mapa_politico_argentina.“”“”

    wow, Argentina sure did Colonise an awful lot of ground.

    I wonder if they give it baack to the Indigenous peoples ... oh, if there are any left alive after the whole genocidal campaign of colonization conducted by Britain...

    oh, hang on, it was COLONNISED by Argentina.

    whodathunkiteh?

    Now what indigenous peoples did the Settlers displace in the Falklands Islands...?

    Oh yeah.. None whatsoever, it was uninhabited.

    funny that.

    ----

    The referendum is to show the World that the Falklands do NOT need de-colonising because its Inhabitants - the only legitimate ones EVER, get to say what they want to do - thanks to the UN & UK supporting Self-determination.

    Which will leave CFK and her Government whistling in the wind and start the path to the removal of the Falklands Islands from the UN de-colonization committee just as Ban ki moon has suggested, rather openly, in his last piece ridiculing the c24s lack of success and one-sided political indoctrination.

    funny old thing that eh?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Acchiappaladri

    I wish the people of the Falkland Islands will delight me early next week with a Bulgarian style result of the referendum.

    The Falklanders are British citizens of the European Union and I hope 99%+ of them are happy with they current status.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    The only Malvinas that exist is a football stadium in Mandoza.....

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    “Eighteenth century English press reflects Argentina in Malvinas sovereignty”

    http://www.infonews.com/2013/02/24/politica-62545-la-prensa-inglesa-del-sxviii-refleja-la-soberania-argentina-en-malvinas.php

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    According to your frriends in Ecuador, the falklands are NOT a decolonisation issue !
    After all - decolonisation gives rights of self-determination to the people of the colonised territory.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinero1

    Where independence is the wish of the people, the UK Government will meet its obligation to help the Overseas Territory achieve this aim.

    AHAHAH who cares,take lordy with you! ,,useless pirates brits..uk is FINISHED!
    lordy :LIAR!

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faulconbridge

    And what did the eighteenth century Argentine press have to say, José?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    I love this, - Look at how these malvinistas are panicking.

    Nothing you can do you lot, - Absolutely sweet F.A.

    Three days to go before voting opens..................

    LMAO.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @21 - Malvi

    Ah, still posting your usual standard of post.

    Well, the UK isn't finished. In fact all evidence is pointing to the fact that Argentina is finished. Screwed by your own government.

    No wonder you appear so angry. But perhaps your are directing your anger at the wrong people.

    The Falkland Islands Community predates the existence of the Republic of Argentina. It's a pity they didn't teach you better in school. Even a 5 year old could work out that 1776 & 1826 comes before 1833 & 1853.

    Is that the reason Argentina won't take this issue to the International Court of Justice? Is it because you know that they would laugh you out of court?

    Poor La Campora Trolls, so desperate, so impotent, so useless.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    What a booooring article, nobody cares about this British fiasco
    Nice picture above, British elite showing off their Rovers in Malvinas.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    So if you don't care about it, - Why the Fcuk are you on here posting?

    Why?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    25 Marcos Alejandro

    “nobody cares about this British fiasco”

    ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!

    YES THEY DO!!!!! In fact, you do!! Otherwise you wouldn't be on here with your playground opinion!!!

    You and all your little retarded La Campora Troll friends!!!!

    You are ssssoooooooo desperate sooooooooooo very desperate but there is, as friend LEPRecon and friend Escoses Doido keeps pointing out to you, there is nothing you or your plastic leader can do about it.

    In about a weeks time, after the Islanders have had their say, I hope they take the result of that referendum to the UN C24 committee and tell them to shove it up their rusty sheriff's badge........

    ..... and Laughing boy timerman and TMBOA can do the same..... The Islanders WILL be heard.

    “British elite showing off their Rovers in Malvinas”

    Not the British elite, just ordinary, hard working British.... amazing what a successful, hard working, well governed country can achieve isn't it??

    Having a nice economic collapse are we Alejandro???? I suppose, by the end of the week, you will be off to re-morgage your house to buy a loaf of bread.........

    Clown.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @19
    Sorry, Jose, but there is nothing new in any of that, nothing that adds support to any of Argentine's claims, and it's not the 18th century any more anyway.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @27 Bloody hell I hope not, he live in the UK, not much call for Land Rovers in his leafy suburb, though you may find the odd Chelsea Tractor or two.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    @25 - Malv

    'What a booooring article, nobody cares about this British fiasco'

    Its amazing how upset Argentina is getting if it doesn't care. Lets face it you are all panicking and spewing nonsense out like what you've just said. If you didn't care you'd ignore it, just like the UK government ignores Argentina because it doesn't care what it has to say since Argentina is so insignificant it doesn't even deserve a response.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    I agree, an awful amount of troll activity on all British papers and news sites...some panic setting in me thinks.

    25 - the defender is a working vehicle and not mega expensive but i suppose any motor vehicle looks impressive to a troll living on food parcels.

    you dance maximo give you dollar :)

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcelo Kohen

    The article is not accurate with respect to what the Argentine Constitution states. “Full sovereignty” means doing whatever the government wants, i.e. change the demographic composition of the islands, impose Spanish, etc. The Argentine Constitution requires respect of the way of life of their inhabitants. The day there will be negotiations many options can be discussed. Certainly, not a governor appointed by London, but elected by the inhabitants, with equal representation in the Parliament. And not necessarily part of the same province of Tierra del Fuego, as it is the case today for obvious reasons. A “Hong Kong” solution would also be envisaged.
    For Argentina and for the rest of the world, including the UN, the referendum will not change anything, no matter its outcome. See my article: http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-215078-2013-03-05.html
    By the way, have you seen any poster in the islands calling for voting “NO”?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    The argentine press is suggesting she left early to avoid an embarrassing photo opportunity with Pres . I'madinnerjacket of Iran.
    As if he would be willing to be photographed touching a woman .....
    Argie diplomats really are clueless .

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raven

    @32 Marcelo

    What you are saying, is the Islanders will have the right to choose their own path, which by curious coincidence, is exactly what they can do now.

    Their choice.

    If they want full independence, they can vote no, and another referendum will be voted on asking what future the Islanders want.

    The Argentine Constitution does require respect of the way of life of the Islanders, however, it would appear that the Arg Gvt does not wish to uphold that as they frequently show they do not wish to speak to the Islanders. Yet you imply that they WOULD be listened to?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcelo- how do you square what you claim an Arg Govt would do in the way od respect to us - when your Foreign Minister publically announced in UK that we Islanders do not physically exist and have no relevant part in any dicussion on our future as he refused to meet our elected representatives.
    Please explain.

    I act as a part time guide for Arg tourists visiting the Ilsands - they all have a huge laugh when I explain that it is a voice talking to them - not a person - the laugh and tell me what an idiotic irrelevant stupid attitude your country,s Govt has towards us! - even those who do believe that the Islands are part of their territory - they all agree your current Govt,s attitude is pathetic and childish.
    Many of these tourists though say to me - ”these islands do not belong to us - they belong to you - the Islanders who live here and who have built them.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcelo Kohen

    @35 I assume that Minister Timerman referred to the existence of a differentiated Falkland Islander People entitled to self-determination and not to the non existence of Islanders. Anyway, if you want to focus on an expression raised by him in a talk to the press instead of the Argentine Constitution, that's your business. By the way, “Islander1”, are you a true Islander or one of the British immigrants having the same rights of you after 7 years of residence?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcos- I was there and I can assure there were also a number of Chilean people in that convoy also, and lots of Japanese vehicles as well.

    36 - My family arrived here in 1840s - when did yours arrive in Argentina?
    No Timmerman was quite clear - there is no such person as an Islander - we do not exist is what he said.
    Becasue if we did exist it sort of destroys the fantasy some of you have about us all being implanted and yet some how millions of Argentines whose ancestors arrived there 150 plus years ago - and forced out the indegenous people - NOT being implanted?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    My family arrived 6.000 years ago, came walking, there was not transport at that time ....any problem, bodoque???
    And the indegenous are part of our country in Argentina, with rights and very alive.
    And we have mixed with them so much but so much, that 56 % of our people has indegenous ancestry.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    The problem with a Hong Kong solution is that the circumstances are not at all similar. Hong Kong was overwhelmingly ethnically Chinese and the lease on parts of the HK colony that ran out made the rest of the colony untenable. None of that is relevant for the Falklands Islands which do quite well on their own (apart from the massive military needed to prevent Argentine invasions).

    I might consider reading your article when you write it in a civilized language. As for the absence of a “NO” campaign that is hardly surprising, it would be much more shocking if there was a serious campaign on the islands to become part of the Argentine slow meltdown. A more interesting question would be independence or continued British Overseas status, but since independence would be followed by an immediate Argentine invasion and colonization it isn't a question that can be asked at the moment.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    The vast majority of the population of Argentina are the descendants of immigrants. The indigenous population is little over 1% of the total population. Traditionally European, the ethnic profile of Argentina has changed significantly as a result of immigration from Bolivia, Paraguay and Peru since the 1980s.

    What he means is that the indiginous population, what was left of them have been assimilated by the immigrants.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @Islander. My ancestor arrived in the Falklands in the 1850s. I wonder when Kohen's family arrived in Argentina... will you be answering that question Kohen? Or will you be ignoring it as the standard Argentine person would do?

    Kohen... now that is a traditional South American name....

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    @41
    Ask when CFK's family arrived in Argentina.

    And of course Spanish was the original Argentinian language.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    38 malen (
    My family arrived 6.000 years ago

    [Prove it]

    Came walking, there was not transport at that time ...

    Rubbish, there were dinosaurs was there not,
    They could have hitched a ride,

    We think you are telling porkpies..lol.

    .

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    So if as malen says his ancestor walked there then that means we are all decendant from the same people originally then tell me why does your leaders say we Falkland Islanders do not exist. Funny how things get distorted to suit ones own needs.
    Good thing is the referendum is still happening and by Monday evening the world will be told , then Argentina you had better start packing your bags because you will be called the international liars and your Country will start to fold.
    Then come to us an dask us why it is so unbearable to have another pick on you. We are used to it because that is what your people have been doing to us for years.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @4 Have you made enquiries of your government about what they put in your food and drink? Apart from the banned “veterinary” drugs and the chemicals sprayed over everything else. There is certainly something making you stupid. Here's a thought for you. Why don't you pop up north and tell Canada that it isn't sovereign? If that's too much, you could pop over to Africa and tell a whole load of nations the same thing. Or you could go west and tell Australia and New Zealand. Shall we remind you that “sovereignty” is not in the C24 remit? And that the Falkland Islands are effectively sovereign.
    @9 Why don't you colour the whole world argie blue? Would that satisfy your insanity? Until someone less patient than Britain kicked your arse through the top of your skull!
    @12 You've changed your tune!
    @19 What a shame that you decided to bring your faked news articles in. Where's the actual articles?
    @21 Oh, please. Don't you have another record? The UK is NOT finished. As we proved 31 years ago when we kicked your slimy arses off our Islands. Would you like us to come back and finish the job?
    @25 Why did you read it? More interesting than the disaster that is argieland, perhaps?
    @32 I get it, Marcelo. Are they paying you on the basis of the number of times your “article” is accessed? Perhaps you should have tried a more reputable newspaper! Except there aren't any in argieland anymore.
    @36 “Government” stooge! Did you “act” for the argie government over the pulp mills dispute with Uruguay?
    @38 Got it! You're a monkey.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    38 - porkies indeed more like 3% - nice try troll

    The local natives that speak Quechua adopted that language by the teachings of the Spanish religious missionaries that came from Peru to today's Santiago del Estero Province; the language is quickly losing importance. Today there are about 400,000 indigenous people, representing 1% of the Argentine population; 3% of the Argentine population is estimated to be of predominatly Amerindian ancestry.

    most Argentines are descendents of the 19th and 20th century immigrants, with about 90% of the population being of European descent.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    @32

    Hong Kong is irrevevant to Falkland Isles.
    Hong Kong was subject to a 99 year lease from China, which was honoured.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_of_sovereignty_over_Hong_Kong

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    A NO vote would encourage substantial Argentine government's assertion of sovereignty.

    They have eyes and not see. They have ears and do not want to hear.

    That denial is totally false. Positive feedback or negative feedback have the same result. is a tautology. It is a false dilemma. The conflict is of sovereignty between the UK and Argentina. No self-determination.
    UN Resolution 2065 Unidoas 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), post-war 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
    Besides the Decolonization Committee Resolutions UN is very clear. Reiterates that the conflict of sovereignty. No self-determination.
    Unfortunately, the referendum is totally useless to resolve the sovereignty dispute exists.

    See the following link:

    C24 chair calls Falklands' referendum 'political ploy'; praises Argentine president

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    @48 You are correct. You have eyes but you cannot see.

    The whole purpose of the referendum is to place the de-colonisation process back in the hands of the Falkland Islanders, taking it away from the biased and unethical C24.

    Relentlessly quoting irrelevant UN Resolutions when your country completely disregards security council rulings just makes you a bit of a tw@t, quite frankly.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @4
    “territory illegally occupied by “squatters” desperate to global evidence of truth.”

    The civilian population in 1833 were allowed to stay, so how can the South Americans who stayed there (no Argentina in 1833) be squatters???

    You don't have a great opinion of South Americans by calling them squatters do you?

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    With just a couple of days to go it is amazing that just over half of the three thousand dedicated Falkland Islanders are holding Argentina to political ransom by using the one thing that world leaders look up to . That one little act is Being able to use their democratic right to decide their future in front of a world audience . A very powerful and factual act and will once and for all put Argentina’s dictators firmly in their place.
    This referendum will open the doors to other oppressed people in the future who is fighting for their human rights.
    The outcome of this referendum could be the turning point for the way Argentina goes forward because many of their close neighbors will also be watching the results with interest.
    After the referendum the world will have to start listening to the people of the Islands and realize that Argentina is nothing but a country that has still a long way to go in growing up.
    Of course that is understandable because Falkland Islanders inhabited their homeland before Argentina existed .

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    SOS

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/falklands-rights-and-referendum-on-sovereignty-88584-html

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • clyde osborn

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    @52

    try this:-

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/falklands-rights-and-referendum-on-sovereignty-88584.html

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faulconbridge

    “The Argentine Constitution requires respect of the way of life of their inhabitants.”

    No doubt any putative Argentine government that ruled the Falkland Isands would show exactly the same respect for the Argentine constitution and the way of life of the Falklands' inhabitants that past and present Argentine governments have always shown for the Argentine constitution and their subjects' way of life.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    @48

    You are incredibly out of date. The UK has said you can have sovereignty, all you have to do is persuade the islanders to vote for it. You'd need about 700 votes for a majority.

    That's it, quite simple.

    Now wind the clock back to your precious UN resolutions, which actually say that we should peacefully settle our differences (so Argentina is the only one to break them).

    Instead of invading in 1982, let's imagine you'd saved that money and invested it in improving the lives of the islanders. You'd invested it in trade, logistics, services, education etc.

    Firstly 1000 lives would have been saved, secondly, how many of the 700 votes you need would you now have?

    Let's say instead of flying your ludicrous politicians to various propoganda galas around the world, you'd invested the money in improving relations with the islanders....how many of the 700 votes would you now have??

    Let's say you'd not had the childish tantrums and torn up oil and fisheries agreements and work with the islanders on a mutually beneficial outcome....how many of the 700 votes would you have?

    So going back to your fucking stupid repetitive bullshit about UN resolutions. If you hadn't been so goddamn retarded and ACTUALLY done what they said, which is work towards a peaceful settlement, you might well be on your way to convincing the islanders to join you.

    However, you chose lazy, violent, corrupt, dishonest bullshit, and the islanders dispose you and hold you in contempt in equal measure, and instead of having 700...you have maybe one or two.

    It's your own stupid, lazy, corrupt ignorant faults...you stupid stupid fools....LOL

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @48 why are you posting a report from june 2012
    a. Diego Morejón Pazmiño is from where?
    b. It's not the English goverment it's the British goverment
    c. Stop clutching at straws.
    d. there is no soveriegnty dispute, as you will see on Sun, Mon, any claim you had went out the window in 1982 with a well slapped arse.

    Mar 08th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcelo Kohen - still waiting your reply? But indeed as MFI says - you are the same as all other Argentines on here - put on the spot - you run away and silence! With the exception Think.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @56
    Exactly. All they have to do is convince 700 or so islanders. Why is that so hard?

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @59 - HansNiesund

    Because unlike in Argentina the Argentine government cannot buy the votes of the Falkland Islanders, and they haven't got the intelligence or the patience to try and work towards a mutually acceptable solution.

    Plus we all know that the Argentine government doesn't really want the Falklands, because if they had it, what would they use to distract the Argentine population while they are busy stuffing the countries money into their off shore bank accounts?

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islas Malvinas

    In a real democracy all different opinions have a place. In the Fakllands there´s no minimal debate. No one defends the “no” choice. In such a small society where everyone knows everything about the other and where any disagreement is treason, that´s not surprising.

    You say you`re not a colony. However, in M 10-11 British subjects will decide they want the UK to keep appointing their Governor, traditionaly a diplomat of the Foreign Office. The Governor has the power to introduce laws and take decisions even when contradicting the Legislative Assembly and the Excecutive Council. Both the Commander of the British Forces and the General Attorney appointed by London are members of the Legislative Assembly. The “Supreme Court” is made up by only one judge, that comes from London.

    For the first time in history, the 2012 census does not tell how many people were born in the islands. Instead of enquiring about the nationality of the inhabitants, it asked them what nationality they were “identified” with. 59% said “Falkland Islander”. Many of these “Fakland Islanders” are British born, this includes many government officials. Half of the Legislative Assembly are British.

    Anyone, despite of having British citizenship, cannot vote or be elected if he/she has delared to be loyal to a “foreign State”. The practice - non written law - prevent Argentines from acquiring residence permits or purchasing land or property on the islands. Argentine heirs were even forced to sell their inherited properties. For 17 years, Argentines were not allowed to visit the islands. Since the British occupation in 1833, the UK has controlled immigration, preventing Argentines from “threatening” the britishness of the population.

    Democracy? Self-determination?

    Bummers.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    @61

    Please can you provide any evidence to support your claims that a “No Vote” is considered “treason”. Where is that said by either the FIG or UK Governement.

    Canada has a UK Governor, as does Australia, the Queen is the Head of state of multiple countries and territories. Are these still colonies...or just the Falklands...which you want to be a colony of Argentina.

    “non-written law” or Argie propoganda LOL

    For 17 years Argentines weren't allowed to visit the islands...pity it stopped...what you are saying is that you believe ere should be uncontrolled immigration so that Argentines can outnumber the islanders, use “self-determination” to vote for the islands to become Argentine...and then move back to Argentina...pmsl.

    Stop being a twat. The islands were never Argentine, and never will be...never mind you still have plent of territory to fuck up.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • womble

    #61. Emeritus Professor of Global Politics, Peter Willets, says much the same. Compare with the Turks & Caicos islands. Local government suspended by London.

    Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    A rather slanted and scaremongering article I thought. One which should be unnecessary if the Falkanders are already so unanimously pro-staus-quo as the organisers of the referendum boast! I thought this article I saw on a leading British left blog put the possible consequences better: http://socialistunity.com/falkland-islanders-should-vote-no-in-referendum-on-british-sovreignty/

    Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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