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Falklands’ referendum: Argentina admits impotence and claims UK acting with ‘ill-faith’
Argentina blasted the UK over the coming Falkland Islands referendum claiming it is acting with ‘ill faith’ trying to introduce elements of distortion by changing the definition of the dispute under international law, despite all the pronouncements of the world community. Read full article
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Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The reason the U.S. does not support the U.K. on this issue, notwithstanding their otherwise incestuous relationship, is simply because under international law there are territorial limitations to the right of self-determination for transplanted populations living in colonial enclaves where a pre-colonial claim of sovereignty exists. This is the case with the Falklands. As a coloniser, the U.K. cannot legally disrupt the territorial integrity of another State by implanting its own population unto the territory it is colonising.
In cases such as these, the inhabitants of the colonised territory have a right to have their ‘interests’ considered but they have no right to unilaterally determine the nationality of the land they live in.
By the way, conducting a referendum of the colonising population the U.K. has implanted in the Falklands, is simply an attempt to obfuscate the issue by the U.K. The U.K. tried the same ploy in Gibraltar in the late 1960s. However, the referendum it sanctioned then was declared invalid by the UN when it adopted Resolution 2353, which observed that the referendum was contrary to the various resolutions which had been adopted previously by the UN General Assembly requiring the UK to decolonise Gibraltar”
Naughty UK!
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should know that ONLY Argentina can distort and manipulate this issue.
Territorial integrity ? tell that to Mexico re Texas and various other states and for that matter Canada and Alaska or is the law about to re draw the world map for the sake of Territorial integrity
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0'In an attitude which clearly is demonstrative of the lack of grounds for its pretension and above all lacking good faith, the UK is attempting to introduce elements directed to distort, changing international law definition of the controversy, which is reflected in the reiterated pronouncements from the world community...... on matters which only pretend to tergiversate the true juridical condition'
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0So now we know .... Nostrils writes the communiqués for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
'Argentina admits impotence' ... thats what happens to wankers......
@4 lol
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just read @1 again, and wonder what is this “pre colonial claim” crap regarding the Falklands ?
Where and what international law exists that has this criteria of territorial limitations to the right of self-determination? The 'territorial integrity' is a post 1944 law, therefore it cannot be applied. As it would be in breach of international law against the application of retroactive laws. This is because the only international laws that can be used are the ones that existed in 1833.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...”
Former ICJ judge The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jennings
and
“It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared
in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'
Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
and
ICJ judge, Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: ”it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination” (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994)
Former President of the ICJ pointed out: “No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.80”
80. Rosalyn Higgins, Falklands and the Law, Observer, 2 May 1982.
So here you have the definitive legal view.
Quite instructive to compare and contrast the gibberish in the Argentine statement with the lucid views put forward by the UK ambassador to the US on the issue in another lead article on Mercopress.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you going to do about it Marcos? The answer is nothing as you are impotent. Go and ask Pele for a cure!
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just love the way Timerman keeps saying that the UK is isolated on the Falklands Issue, when he actually means that Argentina is isolated on the Falklands issue.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK already has sovereignty. The UK is also a mature country savvy in the ways of diplomacy.
In Argentina, they truly believe that because the UK isn't jumping up and down and shouting about the Falklands, and forcing any visiting dignitary to 'issue' a statement regarding support, then we must be isolated; while the fact is that we are not isolated at all. We know we have support. We are secure in our sovereignty of the islands, and in the fact that we are willing to let go of the islands any time that the people who live there wish to become independent.
Argentina behaves like a spoilt child who can't get its way, so it cries and begs, and tells lies to try and garner some sympathy.
It is quite pathetic really, and the world looks on at them with a mixture of pity and contempt, and I believe the contempt for Argentina and its flouting of international law is getting stronger.
Argentina who only has Iran, Cuba and Venezuela for friends...and they may soon lose Venezuela when a new President is voted in.
Maybe CFK can cosy up to North Korea next.
@1 Marcos
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Brit said that, and where did he say it?
@10 - HansNiesund
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0In answer to your questions:
Marcos said that, on here.
Marcos keeps quoting that and attributing it to different people.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have indeed seen him posting it before, but I've never seen him attribute it. Google doesn't turn it up either.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I conclude that it must be a source of impeccable credibility and we should all hang our heads in shame for our appalling misjudgment.
Hector seems to forget that he is 'implanted' too
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Marcos is a ( renegade) englander... he said it....
Mar 09th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets get some facts straightened out right now.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman thinks he has all the facts and answers but could not be further from the truth.
First Britain has not organized the referendum on the islands it was proposed by the islanders and planned by the democratically elected people of the Islands.
We are not an implanted people. If we are then by definition so is every Argentine.
Uk are not trying to manipulate the Islanders at all but rather the Islanders who are going to inform the world that they are fed up with Argentine lies and wish to tell the world what they want.
The territory as Timerman puts it is not disputed by Great Britain but by Argentina alone. Britain ensures that the people living on the Islands will be given their full protective support from an aggressor who invaded our country in 1982 and has since then deployed many tactics to disrupt our development. Great Britain administers it’s sovereign right over the land and Argentina is trying to steal it from the people that were born and bred there.
This is a last ditch attempt by Termerman to stop the referendum but he is 30 years to late. Falkland Islanders are no longer going to sit back and be manipulated in the way they want to live their lives. Because Argentina knows that the one thing that could save their Country collapsing is the wealth around the Falkland Islands . Potentially the Islanders could become the richest people on the planet in the next decade .
No matter where you go in the world someone is trying to steel your prize. Argentina was built on theft and knows little else. Whereas the Islanders have taken the correct approach and worked their way to the top of the ladder.
So Mr. Timerman no matter what you say or try to do accept it you are a failure and drop your stupid claim to our homeland. Islanders have proved that they can front anything thrown at them and are clever enough to plan ahead for alternative ways to maneuver around every blockade that Argentina tries to p
I do wish this guy would stop talking crap and start dealing with reality.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 - Well said. All the best for the referendum!
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Mater, Mater, his Excellency accused us of tergiversation!!”
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm trying to recall if Argentina has ever acted unilaterally over the Falklands. I mean apart from writing sovereignty into its constitution, and, breaking off negotiations over mineral rights, and, the Rivero laws, and wasn't there that thing in 82?
@17;
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe that will happen. People like that, have been consumed by the myth. The malvinas myth.
He will disapear soon with the rest of CFK's administration, and never be heard of again. But I believe the gentleman will die just as ill informed, and hatefull as he is today regarding his beloved myth.
@1
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since there exists no pre-colonial claim the entire argument becomes irrelevant.
Marcos- do pease ask Timmerman - if we are so isolated by the world here then how come we have politicians and academics from places like Uruguay, Chile, Mexico here today ready to witness and verify a demiocratic and free vote?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0How come our little referendum seems to be hitting headlines all over the world - and its still over 24hrs before the polls open!
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/falklands-rights-and-referendum-on-sovereignty-88584.html
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 016 Kelperabout
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very good post. I just want to add one more thing. The deadbeats failed in stopping the referendum from going ahead (assuming it's still going to happen as planned tomorrow and Monday). So all they have left in their impotent armoury is to say it is a pointless and meaningless propaganda exercise. The pro-Falklands side disagrees and thinks the referendum is well worth the effort.
I am a big believer in the referendum and I always have been. I think it will have the exact effect we intend it to. I want to be clear about what that effect will be though. The result will show interested people / governments that we are British and that we wish to remain British. Argentine propaganda could lead some people to believe that a lot of us are repressed and forced to be here under British military rule. Ambassador Arguello US Ambassador (until his boss booted him out) tried convincing people that we were being held captive by the MoD.
I still meet first time visitors who admit that they are surprised how “non-South American” the place is. Some people assume that we are going to be more like South Amercians than Brits and when they visit they are surprised.
The referendum, it's results and it's publicity will help greatly to dispell those false Argentine propaganda-driven claims.
What the referendum WON'T do, and I don't think any of us ever thought it would, is to shut up the La Campora deadbeats or CFK and her puppets. They won't change their claim or their endless whining. They also won't be any closer to their goal because of it.
The other thing that won't happen, and none of us think it will, is the UN won't change it's stance on the issue. Make no mistake though, we are quite comfortable with the UN's position.
I suspect our resident deadbeats on Mercopress are just waiting to come on here next week and gloat that nothing happened after the referendum.
These two sentences in the article says it all.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But sovereignty over the Falkland Islands is not up for discussion because it is not Britain’s to negotiate away. It is a decision for the Islanders and nobody else.”
Enjoy the next two days islanders, an historical day in the history of your Islands, a happy one this time.
In 1850 the Argentines signed a treaty, importantly in peace-time, agreeing that the territory was British.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's their claim gone then.
Finito.
@24 They don't need to wait till next week.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0the only problem with territorial integrity was solved in 1833 with the reclamation of a group of our islands crudely but not completely taken by a foreign power that was in the middle of a land grabbing exercise having recently declared Independence.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0they just choose a land with vastly superior owners, whos present owners including remnants of former Argentine settlers are most probably going to vote a big yes on Sunday/Monday to continue you have have free association and true Freedom with the UK
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Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're right about something for once. They can say it whenever they like; it will make no difference.
@24 - Agreed that the referendum won't stop the whining, but what it will do is provide a definitive answer to every one of those whines, and to any third party who shows any interest. It will now be a very short conversation, every single time.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for ill-faith, wellllllll.... I don't believe the UK have changed their position in years, so why this sudden statement; methinks he is firmly on the ropes after all his lying, provoking, expense, more lying, organising a conference of imposters, extra-curricular lying, bad manners, tantrum diplomacy, insults and cretinism has been beaten soundly by the occasional statement from the foreign office, drafted in minutes. CFK will need someone to take the blame, because it certainly won't be her.
Argentina Has the Power to Avoid Catastrophe
Mar 09th, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.forbes.com/sites/halsinger/2013/03/07/argentina-has-the-power-to-avoid-catastrophe/
Says it all. Time to become a responsible state Argentina and renounce your errant ways.
Argentina a land of immigrants you are no better than the Islanders unfortunately you do not like to discuss that part of your history.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 andy65
Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget how many people the Argies'ancestors slaughtered for the land they now live on though. Ours did not do that.
I find it very funny that Rgs use ENGLISH legal terms and think they know what they mean but clearly have no idea.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess that is one reason they continue to lose all their court cases.
@1 You already said all that in http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/08/demand-for-us-to-recognize-the-falklands-and-support-the-referendum
Mar 09th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you, like CFK, hoping that if you say something often enough, someone will eventually believe you? It's not going to happen.
Here's the reality. By next week, the Falkland Islanders will have stated their wishes. Being an honest and responsible nation, Britain will respect that. Being dishonest and irresponsible, as all its actions demonstrate, argieland won't. But then, argieland fails at every turn. In the near future, this will become clear to even the most stupid argie. Expulsion from G20. Expulsion from the IMF and World Bank. The destabilisation of its “currency”. The final resolution of various WTO disputes requiring argieland to end all its illegal “rules”. Various bondholders following the argie example, tearing up agreements and demanding full settlement of debts. So many good things to come. Will you be following North Korea's example and set up dozens of prison camps around the country?
Timerman - relation to Professor Stanley Unwin?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speak gobbledegook pretty good. Not good foreign minister.
Dont speak from heart, rather arse
In a real democracy all different opinions have a place. In the Fakllands there´s no minimal debate. No one defends the “no” choice. In such a small society where everyone knows everything about the other and where any disagreement is treason, that´s not surprising.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say you`re not a colony. However, in M 10-11 British subjects will decide they want the UK to keep appointing their Governor, traditionaly a diplomat of the Foreign Office. The Governor has the power to introduce laws and take decisions even when contradicting the Legislative Assembly and the Excecutive Council. Both the Commander of the British Forces and the General Attorney appointed by London are members of the Legislative Assembly. The “Supreme Court” is made up by only one judge, that comes from London.
For the first time in history, the 2012 census does not tell how many people were born in the islands. Instead of enquiring about the nationality of the inhabitants, it asked them what nationality they were “identified” with. 59% said “Falkland Islander”. Many of these “Fakland Islanders” are British born, this includes many government officials. Half of the Legislative Assembly are British.
Anyone, despite of having British citizenship, cannot vote or be elected if he/she has delared to be loyal to a “foreign State”. The practice - non written law - prevent Argentines from acquiring residence permits or purchasing land or property on the islands. Argentine heirs were even forced to sell their inherited properties. For 17 years, Argentines were not allowed to visit the islands. Since the British occupation in 1833, the UK has controlled immigration, preventing Argentines from “threatening” the britishness of the population.
Democracy? Self-determination?
Bummers.
Uk helping RG kids... can't Argentina do it themselves? They have to rely on an enemy to teach their kids” If I was in the UK I would surely be boycotting this trade:
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1 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 09th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0! Excellent analysis ¡
It is increasingly evident that e referendum is totally useless. The people who live in the Falklands are civil and political rights, but do not have the right to resolve the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom ”, are not British in Argentine territory.
The will of inhabitants does not always decide the future of the territory in wich they live. British propaganda states that what matters is the people and not the territories.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After 1st WW, France did not recognize the will of inhabitants of Alsacia-Lorena.
The sweedih population in Aland islands expressed they wanted to be part of Sweden, but only gained autonomy under Finnish sovereignty.
The ICJ has decided in recent cases that certain territories were part of a State, although populated by people from another: 100.000 Nigerians, some with many generations in the Bakassi península, are under Cameroon´s sovereignty.
The ICJ decided the rights of these peoples should be respected by the sovereign States. Argentina has already moved into this direction when recognizing inslanders rights on its Consitution.
In Canada, the Supreme Court decided that the result of a referendum would not be enough for Quebec to be independent. Quebec would have to negotiate with other provinces and the Federal Government to decide with them wether indipendence is an option or not.
For the Scotish to decide on their independence, the UK requires the British Government consent. Unilateraly sessecion is not an option.
The UK is using a disortion of the principle of Self-determination to perpetuate its colonial posessions in the South Atlantic. This manouver wouldn´t have had a place last century. The UK is the colonial power that took longer to recognize the self-detemination principle as international law and only did it when most of its colonial posessions were already independent. Still, the UK kept violating it: Chagos Islands. Of course there was no referendum when retunging Hong Kong back to China.
@raul
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good lord, will you ever get it through your thick heads that as far as everyone else is concerned there is no dispute ? Internationally isolated? According. to who?
Islas Falklands - is that the official response pre-referendum?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its not very good.
You should get another speech writer, anti-speeches need to be far less ambiguous and be backed up with some facts, rather than just wishful thinking and a bit of obfuscation.
Its impossible for Argentina to rely on anything form the ICJ when they've refused repeatedly to allow the ICJ to rule on the matter of sovereignty: the reason being they know they would lose.
that fact and this referendum, combined with the 1982 war is the end of your chances, slim as they ever were.
The truth is simply: Argentina has no valid claim over the Falklands.
@39 - Raul
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the referendum is totally useless, why are you and the other trolls panicking?
@40 - Maldive Islands
If Argentina's sovereignty claim is so solid, why don't you take it to the ICJ?
Is it because:
1. UK sovereignty goes back to 1776?
2. Argentina didn't exist in 1833?
3. No civilians were expelled in 1833 just a bunch of mutinous, murdering rapists?
4. Argentina signed a treaty with the UK in 1850 which clearly states that they had no outstanding disputes with each other - meaning that the Argentine government accepted UK sovereignty of the Islands?
5. Maps produced by the Republic of Argentina in the 1850's clearly show that they didn't consider the Falkland Islands Argentine territory.
6. Argentina didn't mention the Falklands for 91 years, and in international law sovereingty claim lapse after 50 years without comment?
7. The fact that the ICJ is bound by the UN Charter which states that all people have the right to self-determination?
8. Argentina is the only country to use force regarding the Falklands?
9. Argentina lost a war they started over the Falklands, leaving the UK the victor, and to the victor goes the spoils?
10. Argentina is a BIG LIAR and a PARASITE on the face of humanity?
Face it, Argentina the 'never was' country (couldn't even make it to 'has been' status), will continue to be destroyed by the incompetent muppets and thieves that you so admire.
Take it to the ICJ or STFU about the Falklands. Not that it matters, your rabid rantings about the referendum (that means nothing - honest!), shows that you know just how impotent Argentina and its spurious claims are.
Argentina - the wannabe colonial power, the wannabe empire but the actual loser.
UKs refusal to negotiate sovereignty with Argentina is preventing the dispute from being peacefuly and permanently settled.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Referendum will not change the current situation. The UN will keep considering the islands a colonial case. It´s not up to the administring power to decide what´s the best way to put an end to the colonial situation or wether the territory should or not be under the UN list of Non-self governing territories.
The UN has organized and supervised referendums when it decided that was the best way to put an end to colonialism in certain cases, East Timor the most recent.
In the Falklands the UN will not organize, supervise or participate in any way in the referendum. The UK has not even tried to involve the UN in this because the UK knows it will fail in gaining support from the UN, as it has failed with Gibraltar. The UK could not even include a reference to self-determination in any of the multiple UN Resolutions regarding the Falklands Question. Why? Simply because the UN understands that the best way to put an end to the colonial situation in Malvinas is by solving the sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina, and not by letting inhabitants decide on the matter.
IM, first please stop spamming the board with the same posts on multiple articles.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second, you are wrong on every point and the brainwashing you have received throughout your life is making you look ridiculous. You don't understand the law or even basic human rights.
You are pathetic
@44 IM
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK refuses to negotiate sovereignty with Argentina because Argentina has no legitimate sovereignty claim.
A peaceful and permanent settlement does not involve handing over the islands against the wishes of its inhabitants.
There are no UN resolutions demanding that such a handover take place.
Every single Argentine stunt, whether political, diplomatic or military, has failed.
It's a hard life.
40 Islas Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go back and read post #6 the legalities are fully explained. Actually your wrong, the UK has been involved and developed the principle of self-determination more than every other nation. If the referendum was contrary to international law as Argentina claims. You have to ask why she hasn't gone to the ICJ to have it stayed?, because in fact the referendum is legal. By not legally challenging it Argentina is acquiescing, and confirming further legitimacy by her tacit acceptance.
40 and 44 Islas Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good analysis. UK never agree to go to the international court of justice. Doing so automatically accept that this is a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. United Kingdom knows that it would lose because the International Court of Justice is based on its analysis, the resolutions of the United Nations (2065) and the committee of United Nations Decolonization.
The truth is simple: United Kingdom knows that Argentina's claim is totally valid, justified in international law. The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
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43 Leprecon
@ 39 - Raúl
If the referendum is totally useless, why are panicking and the other trolls?
Nobody is panicking. I think you are desperate. All forumers say calmly and freely on a referendum that has unfortunately not going to solve the problem which is the sovereignty of the islands.
I commented something nasty on your part and that speaks of your racism and your fascist practice and insulting not always respect the identity of others. Do not accept contrary views from other forum members.
Why do you answer as Falklands 40 @ 40 - Maldives?
Respect the identity of the other forum members, respects the opinions of others, stop insulting even think differently from you. Abandon these racist and colonialist and imperialist.
@Islas Malvinas, Why would The United Kingdom negociate with Argentina when Argentina as a pre dertimed outcome written into it's constitution are you stupid enough not to agree there is surely nothing to negociate?????
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 48
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0e
Except you don't have. your own opinions , do you ? Other than parroting “good analysis ” after every La Campora troll post . Asshat.
@44 Islas Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“UKs refusal to negotiate sovereignty with Argentina is preventing the dispute from being peacefuly and permanently settled.”
I want to ask. IF, the UK negotiated the FI sovereignty with Argentina, what outcome of those negotiations would you be satisfied with?
Could you tell me what “negotiated arrangements” you would be satisfied with?
What outcome of these “negotiations” would satisfy you and allow you to conclude the issue is now permanently settled?
@47
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Go back and read post #6 the legalities are fully explained. Actually your wrong, the UK has been involved and developed the principle of self-determination more than every other nation.”
This is the most offensive piece of garbage I have ever read.
You were a colonial power murdering and denying people's freedoms for 300 years.
You deny people's freedoms to this day to the people of Chagos.
You destroyed the cultures of Scotland and Ireland.
You bomb civilians in the middle east breaching article 1 of the UN.
The UK is a force of evil in this word. That does not mean it can't be on the correct side in some cases (perhaps even the Falklands), but overall, the world would be much better off without your negative involvement.
Like CFK said - “We 'want' sovereignty over the malvinas, but in peace”
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is like saying to somebody whom you don't know, and don't want to talk to, and saying - I want your house, but in peace.
I reccomend everybody try that. Wherever you may be in the world, just walk up to any residence you don't own, ring the door bell, explain that you “peacfully” demand they sign the title deeds of their property to you.
See what the normal reaction of a human being will be.
“That is like saying to somebody whom you don't know, and don't want to talk to, and saying - I want your house, but in peace.”
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must admit, it's at least more civilized than the British way.
Right India? Right Africa? Right North American natives?
@52 I am sure that thieves think the police are a force of evil. (Maybe they are in the Argentine)
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the Anglosphere and old Europe keep the world in order. Only the evil and corupt dictatorships of the world would be much better off without their involvement.
Right North American natives?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are the “South American natives” relevant here?
@55
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only forgive you because you are brainwashed from childhood. You will die in the Matrix.
@57 ? I never go in the Matrix. Dont mind a pint in the Wagon and Horses though.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would they be? You see them everywhere in South America, every day.
In North America, it could be weeks before you spot on in the streets of any city.
I wonder why.
@58
Europe and the USA are the reason the 20th century was by far the bloodiest in human history. And Europe and the USA have made sure the 21st gets off on the “right” track to beat the 20th.
You are not a force for good. Sorry. Your apocryphal history and your patriotic inculcations of how you are the good guys don't change the reality. I'm not saying your “enemies” are good guys either.
But the world doesn't operate like, hmmm, G.I. Joe. There is no white and black. In the real world, the “good guys” are rapists and pillagers, and the “bad guys” good samaritans.
“The release then specifies that both the Argentine constitution and the UN resolutions mention the ‘interests’ of the Islanders and not their wishes”
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not in the Falklanders interests to become part of Argentina, or to allow Argentina to have their land and the Falklanders to continue to live there classed as foreigners.
So go away Argentina, dispute resolved.
Now that bizarre looking Ameri-indian Timmerman needs to trot off and try to resolve the Argentine constitution so the Falklanders can be left in peace carrying out things in their best interests.
@51 bushpilot: we all already know that the Argentinian use of the term negotiation is the true distortion in this situation.
@NTROLLREGNVM You need to calm down mate your beginning to sound like a bitter old Queen.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 047 Terence Hill
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the respect you deserve, I'm not at all agree with you.
Unfortunately you likes the racist, colonialist and imperialist.
It is ok to fix these problems with more killings and deaths. I am for life. No death.
The facts show that in 500 years of history UK has made genocide, piracy and counterfeiting. Much more than the Nazis in Germany.
You forget the genocide English with preventive wars and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Mali.
I strongly encourage you to read the post 52 _INTROLLREGNVM_. The is absolutely right. Leave the hypocrisy and death and bet for life and peace among peoples.
It's just an opinion.
50 Dave204
You are too judgmental. Why does it bother you that I have my own opinions? I think a good analysis of other forum members. Why deny what I believe is right? Critical judgment is we have no parrots.
Also Why Campora insults? What does the Campora with discussion of sovereignty of the islands?
Do not be nervous. We all have different perspectives and opinions. It is very common in a democracy to express them.
52, 54, 57, 59 _INTROLLREGNVM
I agree with you. One of the causes of the decline and fall of the United Kingdom is its commitment to death, racism, colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.
For these reasons is that John Lennon returned the medals to the Queen that he had been given. The deeply hated English hypocrisy.
Face1354@hotmail.com
61 Andy65
Pathetic and pitiful. You spend all the time insulting others. Before criticizing others, criticize your own behavior.
@Raul, May I point out to you that with regards to Lybia and Mali there governmants requested outside help,with regards to Afghanistan it was a FAILED state harbouring terrorist I guss you could say certain South American countrys could be compared with the latter??
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, You are confusing facts and opinions
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try reading some facts and you'll understand why everyone here thinks you are retarded
@Raul, May I suggest you read some of the garbage you write before you start calling people for putting you straight also can you tell us all why several organisations are concerned with certain aspects of democracy in Argentina like Press, Freedom of Speach and Judiciary yet no such concerns seem to be raised for The United Kingdom.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Islas Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In post 51, I asked you a question. I am very interested in your answer.
Can you answer the question in #51?
40 Islas Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the referendum is illegal why hasn't Argentina applied to the ICJ to have it stayed, her failure in fact reenforces it's legality. Of course there was no referendum for Hong Kong, it was a leased arrangement. Which when concluded it was returned to the owners.
48 Raul
The ICJ does not make determinations based on on UN resolutions unless emanating from the Security Council as they are none-binding advisements. This what they use to make their judgements.
“Article 38, paragraph 1 of the statute indicates that, in disputes submitted
to the ICJ, the law the ICJ will apply will be:
a. international conventions, whether general or particular, establishing rules
expressly recognized by contesting states;
b. international custom, as evidence of a general practice accepted as law;
c. the general principles of law recognized by civilized nations;
d.... judicial decisions and the teachings of the most highly qualified publicists of the various nations, as a subsidiary means for the determination
of rules of law.11”
Globalization and International Law by David J. Bederman
Again, amongst her many other legal claims, the claim of 'conquest' was legitimate until 1919 under international law. The UK could not have violated the territorial integrity of Argentina in 1833, as the law had not been enacted. It can not be applied as as it would be retroactive which is prohibited in international law. See post #6.
@62 Raul
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“One of the causes of the decline and fall of the United Kingdom is its commitment to death, racism, colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century.”
21st Century? Are you for real? Any UK constituent country or OT can leave if they want. We have no claim over any territory we don't already possess. We have had huge waves of immigration since WW2 that has been more successful and peaceful than in many other countries. As for John Lennon, he went to live in America while millions of Black and Asian people came to live in the UK. You can accuse us of imperialism in the 19th century and earlier, no-one will argue with that, but the 21st Century??!!
I can't understand what all the fuss is about. Let the FALKLANDERS have their REFERENDUM and see what they want. If Argentina does not like what the result is then why not take it to the ICJ or the UN. Everyone thinks it is a foregone conclusion that the FALKLANDERS want to remain A BOT. However I think the FALKLANDERS will vote yes as I think that Argentina has nothing to offer them. Don't remember hearing what Argentina is offering the FALKLANDERS. Can anyone tell me what Argentina is offering? Maybe the Argie trolls can explain.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.infobae.com/notas/700028
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina as nothing to offer but there are concerns about democracy in that country unlike The united Kingdom but the Argentine trolls on here refuse to address it.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Libya and Mali, not a single boot on the ground and I don't hear them complaining. Still they are lucky to have arrogantinians to do it for them. Arrogantinians see it has a their sacred duty to do it, seeing has how they do not have the voices to do it themselves.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about Bosnia, Sierra Leon and Kosovo, you forgot them, silly man. I am suprised you do not sue the British Imperialists for reperations on their behalf?
Could it be they would tell you to mind your own business and sort your own arrogantinian shit out, before meddling in their affairs.
#70 that page doesn't exist. It's just like the content of Argentinas claims to the Falklands, just empty rubbish concocted by the Argentine thought police.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the reality of life under CFK http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Pn1BrOobG9w&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPn1BrOobG9w&gl=GB
Rotting your life away in a stinking Villa.. Crime, corruption, unemployment, savings eroded day by day, Football your only escape, no future, no life, that's why all the trolls have left. Luverly jubbly!
Falkland Islanders don't want that. That's why they will vote YES for self determination and there is nothing you trolls can do about it but weep, cry and slither like you always have.
@62 Raul :
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Unfortunately you likes the racist, colonialist and imperialist.
It is ok to fix these problems with more killings and deaths. I am for life. No death.
The facts show that in 500 years of history UK has made genocide, piracy and counterfeiting. Much more than the Nazis in Germany.”
There is an area, the size of India, in South America called Argentina, where only 3% of the population of over 40 million are classed as indiginous, with the rest being European. Meanwhile in India, which used to be ruled over by the British, has a population of around 1240 million that are pretty much all considered indiginous.
I think it is easy to see where the decendants murderers and thieves are.
What can Argentina offer the FALKLANDERS? Any Argie trolls there?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only sensible answers accepted.
Have you noticed how these Argentines that grace this forum never want to discus there own history and how they were inplanted into South America by Spanish pirats
Mar 09th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#52
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You destroyed the cultures of Scotland and Ireland.
Quite the little expert aren't you!
Never having set foot outside Mendozy, what brings you to that conclusion.?
I think that I am a bit more au fait with Scottish, Irish and Welsh culture than you - I forgot, you can visit and experience ALL the world's cultures without leaving your paradise on earth.
Does the Wizard of Oz live there too ?
At least your posting on this subject, of which I know much more than you, allows me to dismiss all the other pearls of wisdom coming from you as worthless drivel.
“UK, Lacking good faith” ?? Hahahahahha
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can someone remind me again, what argentinas defence ministers damning admition was?
if that is what argentina interprets as good faith, then they can shove it up the well greased a**!!
SELF-DETERMINATION................its all good....faith!
The level of brainwashed and deluded Argentine posters in this thread is possibly at highest I've seen on here.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have Raul stating the UK doesn't have a case at the ICJ, well then Raul if you are so sure why doesn't Argentina take the case to the ICJ? If you can't work it out, I will help you, because its clearly Argentina that has no case. Whenever you talk about the ICJ, just ask yourself, in all the years Argentina has had to initiate a court hearing, why hasn't it?
I can only conclude given the extreme level of lies and delusion from the Argentinian's on this thread they are terrified of the result of the referendum. I have never seen such lies, delusion and nonsense in all of the time I've been watching this site discuss the matter.
Some of it is so pathetic, its actually funny.
@37 Repeating yourself? Brain dead? Or is that brain-dead?
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Brown-nose. Or is that brown tongue. Get 'em both up that ass. You've been there before.
@40 Repeating yourself again? Are you being paid by the word?
@44 We'll settle it if you like. We can do it in less than hour. Shall we make you disappear in a pouf of smoke?
@48 Strange how the UK has thrice offered to take the matter to the ICJ. And argieland has always refused. It isn't the truth that's simple. It's just you that is simple.
@52 Did you know that your brain has gone? You sling around wild accusations with no proof. And yet you deny where you came from, the barbarism and genocide you practiced, even your responsibility for the actions of your junta, although you espouse the same lies. Don't come near me. I have a 7.62mm response.
@54 How about South American natives? The ones you murdered wholesale.
@59 Recent material indicates you originate in Germany, Italy, Spain and Syria. How strange that they are all criminals.
@62 But you're as dumb as they come. Do yourself a favour. By one means or another, keep silent. I could loan you a steel stake for your ass.
Oh, look, the trolls couldn't keep it up. It must be awful when everybody else tells you that you are a stupid pillock. And then proceed to prove it. Never mind, argies, in just a couple of days you can be ignored completely. Even better, the UK will be entitled to use armed force against local criminals. I want to watch the argie navy paddling out to do battle. No wings on the argie air “force”. Time to turn argieland, one way or another, into a puddle. Time to list every criminal act argieland has committed and provide retribution.
Argentina admits impotence
Mar 09th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NEED WE SAY ANYMORE,
52, 54 _INTROLLREGNVM_ and 62 Raul
Mar 09th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't have to convince me, it is apparent that you are simply racist trolls. Who have no defensible arguments for Argentinean dubious claim. So you have in fact conceded the debate, and resort to the oldest of fallacies the argumenta ad hominem. A certain indication to all and sundry of absolute losers..
Marcos Alejandro: “the colonising population the U.K. has implanted in the Falklands”
Mar 09th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Define “implanted population”.
Wow the level of desperation is climbing.
Mar 09th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would seem the UK has to be viewed though a prism of all its past misdeeds.
But Argentina's past should be ignored and it should only be viewed as it currently stands.
So which country is being hypocritical again?
No one here denies what the UK has done in the past. But Argentines rule a line in the sand and state “events preceding here are not ours”. And while they repudiate responsibility, they doesn't castigate the actual actions.
I love it. Absolutely love it.
More. More.
You are doing all the work for us!
@ 24 Joe Bloggs
Mar 09th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine propaganda could lead some people to believe that a lot of us are repressed and forced to be here under British military rule.”
Come on, Joe.
Who - except indoctrinated South Americans and Sean Penn - believe the Argentine propaganda?
Even Timerman doesn't believe in what he says, but if he told the truth he would be booted out of the government and receive a visit from AFIP (the Argentine IRS).
Impotence of what??? m. fckrs!!!Usurers squats thieves!!! OUR ARGUMENTS ARE REAL NOT like yours ... JOHN STRONG HAHAHAHAHA!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Timmerman. I know I don't come here that much, or at all really, but I saw this brilliant article and thought it might be good to share with the Islanders on here as they prepare to vote... http://socialistunity.com/falkland-islanders-should-vote-no-in-referendum-on-british-sovreignty/
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah another desperate post from Gustbury.....
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're arguments are real but not rooted in reality unfortunately for you. Your arguments are based on lies, miss-truths and distortions of reality.
And its for the same reason you cowards will not go to the ICJ with your case because anyone with an IQ of over 50 can realise the truth.
Argentina it seems is only capable of bullying countries far smaller than itself, its unfortunate for Argentina in the case of the Falkland's that its protected by the UK which is massively stronger than Argentina in every sense and does protect the people of the Falkland's Island's from your bullying and harassment.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
86 Gustbury
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0with the civilised world reading yours and others posts,
you wonder why they will never ever be given to a tyrant.
88@ are you mad or what?uk is bigger than Argentina just because they are universal thieves! and not at all!! bobo
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK is bigger than Argentina
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Someone else who cant read a map.
.
UK is only a couple of islands No resources!! :)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0And still 8 times smaller than Argentina,
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0And for a tiny island with no resources
We are doing remarkably well,
And you [with plenty of natural resources]
Are doing rather badly are you not.
Truth old boy truth.
p/s
There are more than 6,000 islands, amounting to a total land area of 121,674 square miles (315,134 km²). Some sources include the Channel Isles in the British Isles although geographically they are an offshore French island group. The Faeroe Isles are geographically associated, but have never been under British rule and are not normally regarded as part of the British Isles
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080813060113AAvMa0x
SO?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Gustbury starts an argument about the size difference between Argentina and the UK and then finishes with “SO?”
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any wonder why Argentina can't seem to win any arguments when this is the calibre of her supporters?
@94 Gustbury, hate is a sin! Your hateful disgusting comments show you to be a very immature individual who needs a lot of help!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 095... You must excuse the trolls they are on double food parcel pay today, with their multiple log ons. Good trolling boys and girls keep posting even if it a pile of tripe.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@56 bushpilot
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0has the TTT troll started to believe his own BS about aboriginals being nearly extinct in North America??
@59 the troll
“In North America, it could be weeks before you spot on in the streets of any city.
I wonder why.”
...or is he just that stupid or ignorant???
The troll should travel some more - how would he know if you see aboriginals in the cities?
There are more than in Mendoza, that's for sure!!!!
What a buffoon!!!
The governments of North America give money, tax breaks, education, homes, and extraordinary rights, to the aboriginal people.
All down the West coast of the US, there are many thriving and profitable 'Indian” communities - many are very very wealthy from their sophisticated LEGAL casino and entertainment operations.
American Indians are very prominent throughout the western states of the USA, even in the cities, though they are traditionally agriculture based.
Anywhere you go in Canada, there are 'native Indians', many in the cities, esp. out West.
It is an Argentine propaganda myth, and dummy TTT fell for it, that aboriginals in North America have nearly been wiped out and the governments practice genocide.
Once again, naive, gullible, TTT unquestioningly spews his evil Queen's propaganda, yet doesn't even know what he is talking about !!!
Our aboriginal communities have their problems, but many are wealthy.
He cannot defend Argentina's atrocious criminal record of genocide and abuse of aboriginals in Patagonia and Mendoza, by pointing a finger at North America.
Argentina is responsible for its own abuses and in spite of deniers and apologists like TTT, they should rightfully be held accountable.
1 Marcos Alejandro (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you give me an example of the difference between Argentina being colonized by Europeans and the Falklands being colonized by Europeans at roughly the same time. well... there is not much difference apart from, the Falkland Islanders did not exterminate a race of people to get there own way, Argentina did. Now, if you can see any other difference, please enlighten me.
@59
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weeks before you spot a north American native on the streets , really ? You are completely talking out of your ass here.
@84
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> It would seem the UK has to be viewed though a prism of all its past misdeeds.
But of course. British behaviour in the 19th century is to be judged by the standards of the 21st, whereas Argentine behaviour in the 21st century is to be judged by the standards of the 19th. Any Malvinista knows that.
@ 86 Gustbury:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“OUR ARGUMENTS ARE REAL NOT like yours”
“ m. fckrs!!!Usurers squats thieves!!!”
Oh sure, those are REAL arguments. RotFL
@ 90 Gustbury: “uk is bigger than Argentina just because they are universal thieves”
@ 92 Gustbury: “UK is only a couple of islands”
Oh sure, those are CONSISTENT arguments. RotFL
@ 87 British_Kirchnerist
“I saw this brilliant article and thought it might be good to share with the Islanders on here as they prepare to vote”
Read the comments :-)
It is really quite simple if you are a Malvinista.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Spain's historical right to the islands is stronger than Britains because it is
2) Britain lost any claim to islands due to vacating in 1776
3) Spain didn't lose any rights to the islands when they vacated in 1811
4) the population of the islands voted for independence in 1814 even though there wasn't one
5) when the imaginary population voted for independence they voted to be Argentine as opposed to any other part of the UP
6) Jewitt was under strict orders which didn't exist to claim the islands for the UP despite already owning them
7) Vernet always wanted to be Argentine and was sent as the Governor
8) Mestevier was also sent to govern the islands despite Vernet being there
9) the gap between November 1832 and January 6th 1833 is “about” 100 years, in which a magical utopian Argentine population of several thousand prospered on the islands, hundreds of Argentine children were born etc. Under no circumstance did the 50 or so militia, mutiny, murder their Captain and rape his wife in front of their children.
10) Prior to this 2 month (or 100 Malvinista year) window, Britain had absolutely NOT made it clear that they believed they had a prior sovereignty claim, and Argentina were absolutely not ignoring it.
11) in January 1833 Captain Onslow didn't encourage the civilians to stay, they didn't agree. The militia weren't the only ones evicted, and it was done without a shot being fired. Otherwise where did the 100 year population go?
12) Argentina did not sign a settlement treaty with the UK in 1850 and then pretty much forget about the islands for 100 years.
13) Aregntina didn't try and use the horrors of WW2 to invent a territorial claim
14) UN resolutions all say the UK must hand the islands to ARgentina
15) Argentina didn't invade in 1982 causing 1000 deaths that was the Junta
16) The islanders have no right to self determination..only everyone else in the Americas do.
17) Argentines are not implanted .....
Argentina is now facing another crises as the world begins to see the live broadcasts coming out of the Islands today. Several of their neighbors are on the Islands and loving every minute. Boy it sure is going to be worth following Argentina's situation after the actual results are in. Already getting some frustrated Argies comments on Facebook which is great because the face book world is a much bigger place than Mercopress and they are being laughed at by a larger audience. Really love that.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and I would love to know where 103 Monkeymagic gets his information that Argentines are not an implanted people. yet we are. Funny how they refuse to recognise the truth. Did your ancestors not originate from Spain 103 Monkeymagic or was you never taught that part in your upbringing. Your ancestors took over a territory that was actually populated, wheras the Falklands was not. You of course will never admit to that because it does not fit with your beliefs and would weaken your argument wouldn't it.
@ 103 Monkeymagic
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0you pretty much summed it up - but! wasn't the gap a thousand years of Argentina settlement? LOL
@104
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kelper. My ancestors are British and clearly you dont understand irony or sarcasm..perhaps you're not so british after all.
I am British by ancestory but actually a Falkland Island 5th generation Islander who enjoys the English rights retained. Proud to be a British decendant and willing to tell the world about it.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if your Ancestors are British Monkeymagic then you should be the first pesrson to realise that The Country of Argentina was claimed by ethnic cleansing. My Country was founded by the other type of British ancestor who wanted to explore unihabited lands there is a big differance.also Argentina is making their claim based on the Spanish occupation which was actually long before Argentina actually existed as a Country of that name which therefore indicates their claim is void.
@107
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kelper, go back and read post 103 again, and stop being a tit.
@ 104 kelperabout & 107
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ahrm, Monkey Magic is VERY ironic in #103 - re. e.g. “the gap between November 1832 and January 6th 1833 is “about” 100 years”
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