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Argentine lawmakers to call special session to reject Falklands’ referendum
The Argentine ruling coalition and opposition lawmakers have coordinated efforts to convene an extraordinary session of the Senate to draw up a unanimous rejection of the referendum taking place Sunday and Monday in the Falkland Islands Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“All these actions infringe not only the legitimate rights of the Argentines, but also of the majority of countries and peoples of South America”, concluded Senator Filmus
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0How does it “Infringe the legitimate rights of the majority of countries and peoples of South America” ????
Clown
Well lets see.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The draft resolution rejects the referendum indicating it has “no sustain or validity in International Law since it is contrary to the UN General Assembly and UN Decolonization Committee resolutions”.
These resolutions are advisements and not compulsary, the UN has already indicated that the UK is not in conflict with any UN resolutions. Resolutions issued by the UN Security Council are the only ones that are binding
So here we go again with more propaganda for consumption by the Argentine masses.
As for Esquivel, a lawyer versed in International law would make him look like a fool
““All these actions infringe not only the legitimate rights of the Argentines, but also of the majority of countries and peoples of South America”, concluded Senator Filmus.”
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0And who are you to speak for the 'majority of countries and peoples of South America' Filmus?
Shove it up your beard mate.
The only real thing it infringes,
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the right of the argentine government to extend its overseas Empire?
The very same thing they accuse us of,
Hypercrits , hypercrits and more hypercrits.
Soddy offy
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Excellent article by the Nobel Peace Prize, Perez Esquivel
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pérez Esquivel: “The referéndun has no legitimacy whatsoever”
The Nobel Peace Prize sent a letter to Prime Minister of Britain, David Cameron, in which he expressed his opposition to the consultation convened by kelpers on 10 and 11 March, which called illegitimate “no only because it is implanted British population from the expulsion of the Argentine authorities in the nineteenth century. But also because the UN decided not fruition. ”
Adolfo Perez Esquivel added that “everyone knows that the result of this referendum does not alter the legal and historical Malvinas Islands”, and stresses that they “will remain a British colony and the settlers will remain British.”
“Mr David Cameron, the force does not entitle let alone when seeking to justify the military base in the islands, resolutions and treaties violating demilitarization and nonproliferation of nuclear weapons in the South Atlantic, endangering British citizens Islands and the mainland, ”remarked the leader.
See the following link:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-215390-2013-03-08.html
Six Nobel Peace David Cameron asking for Malvinas
Pérez Esquivel with colleagues from different countries claimed the British prime minister to open a dialogue to resolve the sovereignty of the islands.
See the following link:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-215390-2013-03-08.html
Maybe they won't have to condemn it, if the islanders vote wisely =) http://socialistunity.com/falkland-islanders-should-vote-no-in-referendum-on-british-sovreignty/
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0the usual bellicose comments from a degenerate “government”
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Raul, And what do you call THE ARGENTINE interlectuals who wrote a piece supporting The falkland Islanders and what do you call The Argentine reporter Jorge Lanata who writes in support of the Islanders-TRATORS unfortunately we do not live in a world according to Argentina,Argentinians have to live under the thunb of your dear lady leader THE BOTOX QUEEN no one else does.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprising, considering they're one of the most corrupt congresses in the world. Usual Argentine behaviour: gang up on the small bloke.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is all grandstanding to distract from the FI referendum.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0During the FI referendum, I think CFK is going to make a “glorious” very “solemn” speech. It will either be from the Casa Rosada with millions of people crowding the Plaza de Mayo or it will be a 4 hour special on TV. It will be a very “solemn” event and she will look very beautiful. The speech will “indisputably” negate any outcome of the FI referendum, at least in the minds of the Argentinian masses.
She will also take the opportunity to cover the embarassment of her absence from the funeral of her “friend for eternity”. Only this “solemn” necessity of disputing this “egregious” assault on beloved Argentina's “sacred” sovereignty could have kept her away from the funeral. She had to be with the Argentinian people at this time.
Interesting Brit comment:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I´d be sympathetic to those who insist that the Falklands are British and will remain so, and that the people of the islands have the right to decide their own future, were it not for the selective application of this principle.
As the author says, how come the Falklanders have this right but not the Chagos islanders? The British sold them down the river. They were thrown out of their own homes and given 24 hours to pack their belongings, and their dogs and cattle were shot. The people were then dumped in Mauritius and their lands turned into an aircraft carrier for the USA and for torture prisons like Gitmo.
The British govts from Harold Wilson onwards denied all this of course, but the truth came out and the case of the Islanders went to the High Court and they ”won“ and were supposed to be compensated. Guess what happened? The British govt, which cares so much for the little people, used its Royal prerogative to ignore the ruling. How low can you get?
So, I don´t buy into all this claptrap about ”let them determine their own future”.
This is typical British hypocrisy. Just like your love of some dictators (Apartheid, Pinochet, Saudis, Bahrain, Uzbekistan etc. etc.) but at the same bringing democracy to others at the point of the gun.
What was it that Shakespeare said about Albion?
@Marcos
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0All very well to ramble on about 'British Hypocracy' under Wilson, etc., 50 years ago, or Chagos Islands, another set of circumstances, but you have NO argument to deny the Falklanders their rights as inhabitants or their right to hold a Referendum as an exercise of their Self-Determination.
Nor do you have any plausible reason not to recognise it.
When are Argentina going to withdraw the right to self-determination from implanted populations?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the next Argentine elections will only those with ancestors pre-dating 1492 be allowed to vote?
The Falklands would end up a 0:0 tie as there was nobody there in 1492....LOL.
Massive hypocrisy on a gobsmacking scale.
At least Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Adoldfo Pérez Esquivel has the sense to state that in the 'nineteenth century' (staying away from the date 1833 deliberatley) the 'Authorities' were expelled from the islands.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0He knows the popular lie about the Argentine 'population' being expelled is just that, - A. Lie.
The famous noble peace winner who has also stated:-
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0”You know that there are people who have investigated the tragic events of 9/11/2001 and claim there is evidence that this was a self-coup (self-inflicted attack).“ Later, he added, ”This event was the perfect excuse to launch a war against Afghanistan and Iraq and now against Libya.”
@11 Marcos
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You keep posting that 'interesting' British comment, yet you post this all the time with no reference to back it up.
It is in fact your opinion, no one else's, and while you are entitled to your opinion, your constant reposting of this 'comment' without references, just shows you up for the idiot you are.
Maybe some of your La Campora Troll friends will congratulate you for posting it, but it is meaningless without reference.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In my opinion Argentina is a fascist state that wants to build a South American Empire.
If you somehow 'got' the Falklands, you would then start trying to steal your neighbours land under the same erroneous pretext of 'territorial integrity'. Then you would steal Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Uruguay and on and on, until your 'empire' was achieved.
The problem with Argentina's colonial ambitions is that your country is a basketcase that constantly fails. You are like the reverse of King Midas. Whatever he touched turned to gold. Whatever Argentina touches turns to dross.
So you Argentines will continue to comfort yourselves with the belief in your greater Argentine empire, while your neighbours laugh at your incompetence at being able to even organise the most simple of tasks, let alone build something.
Argentina's riches are plundered by your politicians, and all they have to do is wave the mythical Malvinas in your faces, and you all stand up and applaud them, and they laugh all the way to the bank about how stupid the populace is, to let them get away with it so easily.
If you actually concentrated on Argentina and sorting out its problems, you would all be a happier place.
Argentine congress having to hold an emergency meeting! They've known about the referendum for over a year! LMFAO!
Talk about cheap (really cheap in this case) political stunt.
The world is laughing at you, pathetic Argentina and its pathetic government.
As Argentina features specifically in the preamble of the question it has as much right to reject the result as the FIG has to ask it. That is to say both are entirely within their rights (but not necessarily right politically), it being only a consultative Referendum.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0What ever faults you accuse the UK of all those years ago, pales into comparison with your leaders throwing their own citizens out if planes. We are in a different world now, one where it is you who has colonial aspirations, it is you that is the colonial enclave, but you are so thick you can't even see it. Brainwashed!
So Argentina continues to do nothing. No actions and no legal challenge.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, a self-pity nation. When are you going to grow a spine?
@17 DoD
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can do whatever it likes, but the international community recognises the referendum.
So like all your La Campora Trolls, why don't you go and sulk in a corner mumbling “it's not fair” under your breath.
The reaction of Argentina to the referendum is great though. If Argentina had ignored it from the beginning, it would've still gone ahead, but hardly anyone in the world would've noticed it was happening.
But all the histrionics, and crying, and begging, and crawling that Argentina has done to try and discredit the referendum ensures that it is getting maximum media coverage.
The icing on this cake, is of course, that the more Argentina tries to 'diss' the referendum and the people of the Falklands, the more the world can see that Argentina is last country on earth that should be allowed anywhere near the Falklands.
Their blatant and arrogant dismissal of the people of the Falklands; their refusal to acknowledge that the Falklanders are people or that they exist; their saying that some human beings have human rights but others don't, and so on and so forth has proved to the world that Argentina wouldn't respect the rights of the Islanders at all.
Well done, Cristina and Timerman. Well done indeed.
By your antics you have advertised their expressing of their self-determination, as laid out in the UN Charter AND in UNGA resolution 1514 which states the UN is:
Convinced that ALL peoples have an inalienable right to complete freedom, the exercise of their sovereignty and the integrity of their national territory.
and
Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or ALL other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer ALL powers to the peoples of those territories, without ANY conditions or reservations, in accordance with THEIR freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
A big day for self determination in the Falklands, an even bigger day for the trolls who are on double food parcels this weekend, keep trolling
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Latest from the big RG news sites...
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Vote Malvinas: unsubtle message - Stanley. - The icy wind and a steady rain failed to deter a hundred islanders yesterday with cars and trucks gathered on a hill in front of the city to form with the word YES vehicles. In this climate of optimism and high expectations, the Falklands held today and tomorrow the referéndum to define whether or not they want to remain an overseas territory of Britain and the possibility to open the debate on self-determination....'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1561777-malvinas-vota-un-mensaje-sin-matices
'The English working and here we discourses - At the UN, Argentina retains one big advantage: the game of Resolutions 1514, 2065 and its consistent, for which half a century ago ruled the inapplicability of self-determination in the Falklands , since the interest can only be served, but not the opinions of its inhabitants. Now, Britain tries to reverse that advantage, and never had a better chance than now. The UN Charter provides two great principles to determine sovereignty: territoriality and the aforementioned self-determination. Argentina always invoked first, the UK's second and the General Assembly and spoke through those resolutions....'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1561777-malvinas-vota-un-mensaje-sin-matices
'Under a real threat of the Argentine Government - As Islander, this is a difficult time to be away from Falkland. Sitting at my desk in London, receiving Skype calls from Port Stanley and reviewing tweets and Facebook posts, I see that my friends and family prepare for the most important political event in a generation'....
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1561777-malvinas-vota-un-mensaje-sin-matices
'Despite the controls, the oil business expands - The measures taken by the Argentine government did not stop the plans: in 2017 the islands crude extract....'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1561777-malvinas-vota-un-mensaje-sin-matices
@22 Thanks. We now know that CANADEM is the convening organisation for the RIOM.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hard to think of a clearer demonstration of Argentine irrationality than calling a special session of your legislature to protest that 1500 people 300 miles away have expressed their opinion. Please go ahead with this, the biggest pratfall yet.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surprise surpise. So what''s new.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0(23) Mr McDod
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they are, they are awfully quiet about it...
Maybe it is “Confidential Information”?
http://www.canadem.ca/home/en/component/search/?searchword=falklands&ordering=&searchphrase=all
@24 They could focus on objecting to being singled out in the preamble when there are many other States associated with the increasing pressure to negotiate. Only saying.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, awful is it not, a Democratic organisation from Canada of all places, getting involved. Wow! how dodgy is that, perhaps they should have asked the North Koreans?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28RC
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0or the Iranians?
@26 Think/DOD
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Maybe it is “Confidential Information”?'
That confidential it's in lanacion!
What the hell are you on about?
Think, at least come clean about how many pseudonyms you post under...
@26 I expect your people will be speaking to their people first thing on Monday, that's if they can wait that long.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0(30) Steve-33-uk
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Steve.... you are not a total turnip and your links are usually good....
That's why I wil engage this time....
1) The “information” given by “La Nacion” comes directly (and only) from the mouth of Sgt. Henao.
2) Please check CANADEM's Website.: http://www.canadem.ca/home/
3) NO MENTION of ANY involvment in ANY kind of operation in the Malvinas/Falkland area..... NONE....
4) Somebody is telling porkies here and it ain't the Canadians...
The falklanders have a referendum and the world takes notice
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Latin+America/South+America/Argentina
'Argentine lawmakers to call special session to reject Falklands’ referendum'.....and the world will yawn... much as they do whenever the RG regime says that they have the support of Burkino Faso and other places of no consequence....
@32 Herr Think
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see you confirm that your are telling porkies!
Man, those odious Canadians at it again! with their insidious plots to assist and support democracy. Have they no shame? do they not realise the consequences of their actions? Mark my words, their will benevolent results from their interference in the democratic process. The Falkland Islanders will not forget them in a hurry. They will remember these Canadians and for all the right reasons!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0#33
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sour grapes ?
@32 Think
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So today's Think/DoD position is that the referendum is invalid because it is being observed by a group of Walter Mitty's in comedy fleeces pretending to be election observers?
(37) Redrow
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think position, yesterday, today and tomorrow is that the referendum is invalid and it is being observed by a group of Walter Mitty's in comfy fleeces pretending to be election observers.
I can't speak for Mr. McDod....
21 Santa Fe
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are right!! a VERY big day....... two big days actually.
Good luck to each and every one of them.
You know, Argentina might suprise us all with a change of attitude towards the Islanders, I doubt it, but they just might.........
“Argentine lawmakers to call special session to reject Falklands’ referendum”
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0And?? who cares what argentinas thinks, they have absolutely no bearing on the Democratic Free and fair Falklands referendum, let them cry The falklanders have long memories, even to this day Argentina still havent got the Falklanders interests in mind and i doubt they ever truly will, what a shame.
Heres to all Falklanders, its THEIR time!
SELF-DETERMINATION.....will not be beat!
Think position..... Who cares! Crawl back under your stone. The referendum is simply to educate Argentina and the rest of the world as the what the Falkland Islanders think. They, and we the British, are not interested in Argentine debates, wishes or comments they are totally irrelavent. From what we see, and know, Argentina is a potentially rich country wracked by a whole gamut of serious defficiencies and problems. Argentineans should concentrate on getting their country out of the shit and rehabilitating itself in the real world. Britain and the Falklands won't be lectured to by a country full of serial liers, human rights abusers, racists and bigots.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an outsider, what do you THINK of the human race?
@Marcos Alejandro As I keep telling you if you are so vocal behind a keyboard you can leave London tonight, British Airways flys direct to B.A. back to your homeland I mean whats keep you??Marcos Alejandro who's family deserted Argentina and fled to London for a BETTER LIFE who is on record for telling a British newspaper he will return to Argentina when the time is right. GO NOW
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Botox Queen Needs You.
Quite funny this. Thank you to argieland. By calling a special session, you have adequately displayed how frightened you are of the Islanders and their referendum! Would the British Parliament do such a thing? And publicise it? As for Perez Esquivel, what a numpty. A pacifist, art painter and sculptor. Legal qualifications - nil. As a pacifist, I wonder how he feels about the United Provinces military invasions and attempted theft of British territory.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Your usual garbage, I see. Will a day come when you have something useful to say? So Perez Esquivel spouts the party line. So what? Has it ever occurred to him, or you, that the UN has no jurisdiction?
@11 Your usual drivel. Don't you ever get tired of looking a fool? But then you don't understand the law that applies. Is there any argie that can accept that the law isn't what they want it to be? The Chagos Archipelago was owned by a Mauritian company. It was used for growing coconuts. All the occupants were contract workers for the Mauritian company. They never owned anything. They were properly the responsibility of the Mauritian company. Who abandoned them when Britain bought the archipelago. No rights to anything. But at least Britain had the responsibility to give the Mauritian government money to resettle them. Unsurprisingly, the Mauritian government stole the money. Oh, I get it, that's okay because that's what argie governments do.
@37 Don't bother. Twinky doesn't have a clue. He's lost the script the government gave him.
Lots in today's Sunday Times about Venezuala and Chavez (you have to pay to access it online, so there won't be many Argentinians reading it, not with the dollar clamp). What struck me was the parallels between Chavez's policies and those CFK is introducing in Argentina, such as politicising the judiciary. Of course, CFK doesn't have the oil revenues to bribe the electorate with, but the article was saying that Chavez's policies have instilled a culture in Venezuala that says individual wealth is wrong and it is ok to rob from the rich if you are poor. As a result, Venezuala currently enjoys the second highest murder rate in the world.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I noticed that Macri said the other day that he doesn't want to see Chavez-like policies increased in Argentina. I fear for the population if CFK ignores him.
If I was living in theFalklands, even if I was of Argentinian descent, there is no way I'd be interested in being part of the mess there.
Oh look - its the Think-DoD comedy act again... a couple of implanted trolls.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0--
Argentina's government cant do a damn thing about the referendum and they KNOW that it is doing a lot of harm to their series of previously uncontested mad claims.
Nice picture for the trolls to reflect on: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/yes-sign-formed-cars-seen-hill-car-decorated-photo-030617210.html;_ylt=AtRtQu68.7CCOcFlr.Mb1Z5g24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTQ1cG0xcWszBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIFJlbGF0ZWQgTGVhZARwa2cDNjFmNjE3YWUtNTJhNi0zZDVlLTg1NTctZGI0MWIzOGExNTg4BHBvcwMxBHNlYwNNZWRpYUFydGljbGVMZWFkBHZlcgMwMjk1OTg1MC04OTMwLTExZTItYWZmZi00MmRjMzg5MDIzNjE-;_ylg=X3oDMTNsb3BhODZoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMDRjZWM3ZTYtNTk0MS0zYzE1LWFmZjEtYzhhNGQ2NmM1MDczBHBzdGNhdANzY2llbmNlfGVuZXJneQRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdANONFVfaG9tZXJ1bmFwaQ--;_ylv=3
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine law makers will call an emergency session every time their president breaks a finger nail. Cheap and impotent. In fact, pathetic and derisory.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The ruling coalition and the opposition in this country couldn't agree on when to take a bathroom break. They would debate it ad nauseum and then hate the other for life. Too bad they couldn't agree to impeach the president. Oh...wait...members of the government in this country are above the law.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's brilliant. The UK has been pretty much ignoring the entire issue while Argentina kicks up a fuss and throws its toys out of the pram making it self look stupid on numerous occasions.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the islanders themselves are just saying a big fuck you to Argentina. Funny how a population of 3000 can gain more press coverage than a nation of millions.
Check Mate in 10 Think??
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But to which side ???
Argentina's looking a little nervous. Invalid ?? Having generated this much publicity?? Hardly :-)
because Argentina will ignore the result and believe it to be illegal, I am happy for them not to comment on the result, if for some strange reason there is lots of no's or if the result is NO please ignore this illegal referendum Argentina!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine politicians...what a pathetic bunch of clowns. A country with 40 million people, produces such first class fools and wants to be treated seriously by the world. How sad.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In contrast,the Falkland Islands with just 3000 people, have political representatives on its Legislative Council that consistently come across as dignified, thoughtful and responsible people, who are really concerned about the people they represent.
how is it that persons can vote in name of others?? never seen such thing!!!!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.infobae.com/notas/700028-Personas-que-votan-en-lugar-de-otras-y-un-cambio-de-boletas-en-el-referendum.html
OT but typical of Rg thugs er politicians
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With national inflation seen by private economists at 30 percent this year and global food demand rising, Argentina limits wheat and corn exports to ensure ample domestic supplies.
But farmers say this policy hurts their profits and have shifted toward planting barley, which is not subject to the curbs. While Argentine barley cultivation is soaring, the wheat crop is forecast at 9.4 million tons this season - way under the 2011/12 crop year’s 14.1 million tons.
Domestic Commerce Secretary Guillermo Moreno, feared by business as chief enforcer of the government’s frequent market interventions, told exporters this week that further growth in barley farming at the expense of wheat would not be tolerated.
“He said that if farmers keep growing barley instead of wheat he will increase export taxes for barley and curb exports,” said an industry source who was at the Wednesday night meeting.
“It is a threat. If wheat plantings keep falling, he will go after the substitute crop, whatever it may be,” said the source, who asked to remain anonymous. “But the real issue is the policy model, because the more intervention there is in the wheat market, the less acreage he will get from farmers.”
I think the Falklander's should hold a “special session” to reject Argentina's special session to reject Falklander's referendum vote. Does the Argentine legislative assembly have nothing better to do.......like work in the dead economy?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 Obviously the concept of a secret ballot is alien to Malen....
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 Think (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please read my comment @51
Malen
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is known has Proxy voting and has been legal in UK since the 1560's It's nothing new.
Look it up under the section relating to the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_voting
As the corrupt thugs in Arg Congress waste time, Doctors are striking next week for a 40% raise, schools are complaining because suppliers are demanding payment before delivery since the gov't is 5 months behind in payment, the are no CANCER DRUGS IN THE COUNTRY, intensive care centers are shutting down all over the country due to lack of supplies and on and on it goes while
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the buffoons in Arg Govt grant themselves another wage increase and get paid to fritter away time while BA burns.
One word...
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOFFLE...!
kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
Maybe UK (psst Chile are you listening) should consider setting up shop in Buenos Aires:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just 17 percent of Air Force planes available to fly. The reasons? Lack of maintenance, alarming levels of investment and poor pilot training. The state of the fleet, crucial for national defense, and especially to defend the country from external aggression, located in Argentina among the worst countries in the world
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Apenas-volar-aviones-Fuerza-Aerea_0_880112051.html
Hi Ho, Hi Ho I'm off to vote I am....
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands
@malen / Think
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys must be really desperate, looking for the most minor things in a vain attempt to discredit the referendum. Like it or not the referendum is true self-determination in action, the world will hear the Falkland Islanders wishes...
Nice little video on this one...
'Falkland Islanders To Vote In Referendum'
http://news.sky.com/story/1062616/falkland-islanders-to-vote-in-referendum
The referendum only confirms what Argentina is saying, that the islanders are British and not a distinct people with the right to self-determination.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So please voting YES, Argentina thus raise the result to the UN as a very strong argument to be that you can not British implanted and can never decide on the sovereignty of the territory!
Thank you very much for confirming that islanders are not a distinct people of Britain!
@64 XAVIERV (#
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of old rubbish. Just away to vote yes once I finish breakfast. Don't cry for me Argentina.
All this fuss from Argentina over a referendum that is illegal, a people that don’t exist and don’t have any rights anyway, doesn’t really add up.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still get a laugh from the descendants of the Conquistadors calling them an “Implanted population”.
The real effect of this vote has been to force Argentina to change its argument to the rest of the world from “they don’t care about being British” to, “doesn’t matter what they want, they have no rights”.
Thanks to Argentina the rest of the world now knows they exist, and will soon know what they want, and is also now hearing the truth about the history of the region.
Another victory like this for Argentine diplomacy and their cause will be lost forever.
Tell me one thing because only 1500 of you vote and take two days to do it? Surely many mental clarity and need not have much time to think about their vote .. Jajajaja
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again suggesting that the UN makes a defferentiaiton between the human rights of one people over the rights of another people. Mr B K Moon is banging his head against a brick wall, as far as you lot are concerned, because you are obviously not listening to him, or more likely choosing to ignore him.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ XAVIERV
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange argument.
Much of the new world was implanted, with Europeans colonists forcing out or killing the native inhabitants. Argentina is a prime example of this. The difference is the Falkland Islands had no natives, so the people who live their now cannot be implanted in the same way as the people in Argentina, if at all.
If the implanted population of Argentina have the right to self-determination, the same right must apply to the Falkland Islanders, it's that simple.
Please tell me how this can be wrong?
#67 You have never been to the Falklands and you don't understand the British. You don't understand that all of us couldn't care less what you or your clown politicians think.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just concentrate on football and the tango and keep taking those tablets and one day you will all grow up. Meanwhile consult a dictionary for the meanings of freedom, self determination and democracy which you don't seem capable of understanding.
Argentina says that you are British and as such are not a third party in the dispute. Well, with the referendum now officially confirmed Argentina's position. Thanks for the hand we needed, with this result tell the governments of South America and the world: watch what we always said, are British and have no right to decide on that territory.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xavierv, I have said many times on this board, it is only your territory if you can defend it.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK can defend the Falklands.
Argentina can't defend Buenos Aires...maybe you should worry about Chile or Brazil or even Paraguay taking back what they think is theirs.
You alone are put in a trap, and now have no authority to demand sovereignty, because before any UN request to self-determination, will answer you and voted and decided to be British, therefore can not be an independent country. Thanks for reaffirming the position Argentina!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71 so why did Timerman refuse to meet with three British people when he was in London?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are pretty shite at this, aren't you.
@Steve-33 #63:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers for the sky link, - That comparison poll, is really interesting to look at too.
Love it, the Islanders at one single stroke have taken what was a territorial issue between three nations and turned it into what is now a human rights issue of interest to all nations, well the democratic ones at least. Made even easier by the assistance provided by the Argentines themselves! International politics at the highest level, from a Country with a government the equivalent of a Parish Council! Truly impressive.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hows the voting going guys, good turn out so far?
@73 what a crock of shit all this does is say the Falklands want to remain a British overseas territory, if they wish to become an independant country in the future I doubt very much if Britain would stop them, and whats more there is nothing rgenweener can do about it.............except whinge of course
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders, look your passport. What say? British and today I will confirm. Well, that will never change! Will British under British sovereignty, or British sovereignty Argentina, there is only these two options. Never be an independent country! NEVER!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xavi go take your meds theres a good lad, of course it says British they are a BOT, however if they want to become independant they would have to change that wouldn't they, halfwit
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 WTF are you waffling on about you complete Pratt ??
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 3,000 Falkland Islanders have the right to “self determination under the terms of the UN Charter”- this fact was confirmed by the Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.
@80 that doesn't matter to these idiots jeffski
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@XAVIER:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at your passport, - How come its got gold pictures of the Falkland Islands, and a huge chunk of Antartica depicted as being argentine?
Anybody reading this - google what the back of an argeitine passport looks like.
Asked .. Few, of the few 1500 islanders eligible to vote, are born in the islands? Strange how people from other places can decide on foreign territory.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81. Considering the Argie government says it is a illegal vote that does not change anything they sure are making one hell of a fuss.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the best FALKLAND ISLANDERS.
The most important Chilean Insulza says that: “There is consensus that Argentina would regain sovereignty over Malvinas”
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/video_fotos/2013/03/130308_video_insulza_malvinas_ch.shtml
Hey guys, hope the waether is holding up down there, it's trying its best to bloody snow here!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 XAVIERV (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:12 pm
How many then Xav? Even if you are right it means nothing to nobody where these people were born or where they live even if FI was a part of Argentina. Which of course, it isnt. Where do you live Xav? Just out of interest?
@86;
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Take it you are in the UK? i actually wouldn't mind a bit of cold weather, always to effin hot where I am just now. 27 deg, and thats with cloud cover...
@83 XAVIER
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh, you are new to democracy aren't you? In britain we have many foreign born citizens and they can all vote. Same in all european countries. Even women can vote!
xavi do you think all the ex soviet states that are now independant dont have thier own countries passports, ie Estonia, Belarus etc, former Yugoslavian states? of course they do so I don't think it would be hard for the Falklands if they wanted independance to make passports for 1700 people.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 so what?
by the way what passport do you hold Xavi bet it's not an rgenweener one is it? Probably Canadian with a picture of the Queens emblem on it
87, 89
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here Argentines vote 95% of registered births and those who opted for citizenship Argentina (Most are Paraguayans). Questions? What percentage of the census were born in the islands?
I am from the city of Formosa, northern Argentina. My grandmother is descended from Polish immigrants and my grandfather was a mulatto (mixed Indian and black).
ED
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, East Anglia. Cold, low dark cloud, been raining. hailing and doing it's damnest to snow for two days. Deep joy, roll on summer, we'll probably have floods!
XAVIER
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Asked .. Few, of the few 1500 islanders eligible to vote, are born in the islands? Strange how people from other places can decide on foreign territory.
On the other hand you think a country full of people, none of whom were born there, should decide huh?
You're a strange fucker aren't you.
Oh, and clear to another thing up. I didn't see it but a friend told me. Apparently DoD said on here somewhere that I'm not from here. That simply isn't true. I'm from here, so is my wife, so are our kids, so were our parents, so were their parents and their parents. I don't know beyond that. I've never been a generation counter but each to their own.
@91 so your implanted then, that's that cleared up then.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@92 snowing up here in Scotland
#85 Well, it has no importance here or in the Falklands, we don't care what any of you say. You and all Rgs are of no consequence and you and other nations should simply note what the Falklands people want...... No Argentina! Britain has sovereignty, the Falklanders have occupied the islands for 180 years, you are stuffed. Get used to it and stop cluttering up a serious discussion with hyperbole and rubbish.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@93 Joe:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You're a strange fucker aren't you.”
LMFAO!!!
(93) Joe Bloggs
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just some friendly advice....
Next time you Kelpers try to write something on the camber....
Try not to use camo, green or brown Landis...
Chuckle chuckle
I'm going to lunch friends. And thanks again for confirming Argentina's position. They are British and is what we have been telling the world. They can not decide on the sovereignty under that nationality!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Referendum will not be backed bu Uruguay either. News today tells that FA, Mujicas party, has forcefully rejected the referendum and will not acknowledge the result. Jorge Larrañaga, of the Blancos party, says those lawmakers, also Blancos, do NOT represent the party and they are there as observers representing themselves.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lr21.com.uy/politica/1092095-gobierno-y-alianza-nacional-rechazan-que-legisladores-blancos-participen-de-veedores-en-referendum-en-malvinas-sobre-su-estatus-politico
@98 unfortunatly for you they can and will . Enjoy your lunch, dubious about the friends bit though.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh .. Are on TV. It's a cold day I can see by the cable channel “TN news” of Buenos Aires is live from the islands.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@100:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't surprise me if they were the sort of people that eat with their mouths open.
#98 If you are off to lunch you are obviously not in RG land. Where have you implanted yourself?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In UK we are watching Castrogiovanni and the other RG refugees getting their arses whupped at Twickers (hq)
Uruguayan lawmakers on their way to the islands to serve as observers, are being labelled “sepoys” by the ruling party, while the opposition will not allow them to speak for the Uruguayan opposition.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All in all, the Brits will recognize a referendum where they ask Brits if they want to remain Brits.
“Orgullo de bobo”?
@101 so what it's on the BBC, CNN, Al Jazerra, ABC and Sky as well world coverage.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 I cant read it STINK it says YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
101 XAVIERV
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is so unimportant that it is being broadcast live on the cable channel “TN news” of Buenos Aires.
@105 i meant i CAN read it and it still says YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Xavier 'You alone are put in a trap, and now have no authority to demand sovereignty'
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, have you been sleeping? The people of the Falkland Island's have sovereignty.
There are some bewilderingly stupid posts on this thread. Like calling the people of the Falkland Island's a 'implanted population' well thicko's what is Argentina? The only difference between the people of the Falkland Islands moved to the island when it was uninhabited, have been there longer than Argentina has been a country and they didn't slaughter the natives like Argentina has done and continues too. Argentina is a country with despicable human rights within its own boarders and tries to lecture others on implanted populations? You really couldn't make that level of stupidity up.
It's a bit like the special session from Argentine lawmakers, Argentina can reject anything it likes, however its rejection is utterly worthless as it doesn't change a thing. In fact it just draws attention to Argentina's aggressive, bullying behavior and the friendly and diplomatic behavior of the people of the Falkland Island's.
When all is said and done the people of the Falkland Island's have completely won and as ever Argentina is the loser although lets face it, Argentina always loses at everything it does.
@XAVIERY.Kirchner,Timerman,Kohen are they really Spanish names?? are they not inplanted people from Europe just like The Islanders????
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are all Falklanders.
110
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chavez knows ;)
Xavi and to reitterate agents999 point it's so unimportant you are broadcasting it live on cable tv, surely if it was so unimportant to rgenweener you wouldn't be giving it airtime as we didn't to the tinmans visit to London comprende.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Stink it still says YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oooh look.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All this fuss from Argentina over an illegal vote by non existent people.
The position(s) portrayed by the Argentine Gvt has had me in stitches this last year.
Good luck Islanders, may you determine your own outcomes and grow your country to what you wish, and not what others would like.
Thankfully folk such as camporaoverdover and/or the character who refers to themselves as a 'Thiink' are not representative of your average Argentine.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1561883-dura-respuesta-argentina-el-referendum-no-pone-fin-a-la-disputa
Surfer
Mar 10th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was that link supposed to back your statement? Alicia Castro saying “by the Brits, for the Brits”?
@115 i was confused as well stevie, anyway who cares what that bint says anyway should put her arse on a c130 and send her home that way she could see how all those nuns felt. C130 not the most comfortable transport I've ever had to use
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why a small group of British in Malvinas need two days to vote?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are they flying in from 14000 km away to cast their votes?
Is their brain smaller than a Polwarth sheep so they need more time?
Maybe their Land Rovers got stuck on that “hill sign” yesterday.
Why do the rightful occupants of the islands need two days to vote?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that's a hard one. Let's see, could it have something to do with the topography of the islands, density of population and giving them all the chance to excercise their right to vote?
Yes, that might just have something to do with it.
Where is this mythical place Malvinas - translates as bad wine? Must be in RGland? If so, what are Brits doing there. Big story on the web is the Falkland Islands referendum. Poor old Marcos, he's getting confused...
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0marcos why don't you visit and see?............................oh thats right your not allowed to leave Cananda are you, halfwit!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0120
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where's “Cananda”..halfwit.
Slatzzz
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong Marcos, this one's in the UK.
#115 & #116
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lads, I meant the comments section against the article, Alicia Castro not so popular it seems.
oh right so the halfwits not allowed to leave the UK is he this Habu manza geezer in disguise, regardless he's another idiot who is scared to go home, pay his taxes to CFK and help his economy. Marcos why not visit the Falklands instead of talking shite, see how beautiful and diverse it is and how very British. You could pay your respects to real rg's who fought for YOUR country at the Argentine cemetry instead of being a keyboard warrior sponging of us, you must cry buckets every time you take your wallet out and see the Queen looking back at you
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loving all the bitchy Argentine comments, they simply can't cope with this democracy thing and worried sick about the 'sensible' world reaction. Keep up with scaremongering, it's very telling!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@123 no probs surfer didn't read the comments
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read them, loved the ones about taking the next twenty years to build up forces for war and the other one, forming an alliance with Venezuala, Bolivia, Nicaragua and of all people, Iran, to attack the British. What a bunch of dickheads!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I found out that they are to make a referendum on the Moon, they will ask the rocks if they want to remain Lunatics!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't tell me, Argentina recognised their right to Self Determination?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It protects it from 21C Britsh Imperial Colonialism!
@128 nice lunch xavi that was quick couldn't you find any friends, I thought rgenweener owned the moon?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0131
Mar 10th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Baa, ba,, ba, ba, ba, baaa ba ba baa, de dengedeng deng Blooo and white mooooon you saw me standing alone..........
He was very rich roast. As running the referendum? I read that you have two choices when voting:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) To remain British.
Because:
2) We have no idea who we are.
Tough choice.
When you say 'he' - I hope you are not a canibal.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Remain British.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OR
2) Become Argentinian.
Tough choice.
Nahhhh! Only kidding.
@53 But then you haven't been around much!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 How?
@73 You really don't have a clue, do you? Read the first paragraph in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty Now who has the power to rule and make laws in the Falkland Islands?
@78 Wait and see. There are exactly two places that decision can be made. The Falkland Islands and the United Kingdom.
@83 You don't get about much, do you? Our land, our rules!
@85 So?
@91 So you live on land that properly belongs to the Toba and Wichi tribes. I see argieland massacred many indigenous people in that area. Even in the early 20th century, indigenous people were still being murdered by the argie police.
@98 Moron!
@101 That was a quick “lunch”. Just 15 minutes! Can you not afford food?
@104 And?
@111 Chavez is dead. Ended. Kaput. Toes up. Dog meat. Rotting.
@117 What's it to you? You are IMPOTENT. All you can do is whine and cry. Two things you do so well. Keep it up, crybaby. As a thought, can you even get it up?
@121 Thought you knew everything?
@133 was he? Like man meat do you?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spit roast LOL!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The anthropophagy is typical of primitive cultures like mine, I admit we are well behind you that are more sophisticated people .. I wonder what it would eat some meat English .. If I die poisoned minute ..
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you using one of those translators they had on 'mars attacks'?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@139 eh to much wine me THINKS. No wonder no one takes you seriously eat a man and lose the ability to speak / type
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@140 made me smile!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey you guys, the Arg gov wants to keep the command economy going (& drain the newspapers of ad revenue). By issuing a credit card for groceries. With high interest!
Ayayyyayaayy
Argentina could be eating so WELL with all that good land and wild foraging area.
@melisatweets: @falklands_utd i'm argentinian but i support you! I think that the falklands are yours!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not all Argies are brain washed lunatics at least.
Just been a piece on Sky News, 70% turnout so far. Reporter says he has spoken to South American Falklanders, who have voted for the Status Quo.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kn' ell 70% on the first day!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a day to go 70% says it all really rgenweener kiss goodbye to the Falkland Islands ( there are no malvinas), I expect an annoucement by the UN a week Friday and c24 by the middle of next week saying they are off the decolonization list, not that the c24 counts for anything, night night rg trolls eat man and weep
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 Andy 65
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“??Marcos Alejandro who's family deserted Argentina and fled to London for a BETTER LIFE who is on record for telling a British newspaper he will return to Argentina when the time is right. ”
Andy, who is Marcos Alejandro?? Is he a previous junta spy in the Falklands, or is he an 'undesirable' in Argentina as well???
This referendum has nothing to do with the islands. It's whether the Falklanders are Brits or not. We all know the answer to that question.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xavier
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear enormously confused. Bewildered almost. Or perhaps just a bit thick.
People from Hawaii...are they Americans...How did they become American...?
people from the Faroe Islands...are they Danish...How did they become Danes?
people from the Canary Islands...are they Spanish...How did ey become Spanish?
People from Malta...how did they become independent?
people from Sri Lanka...why are they not Indians?
All over the world there are hundreds of island groups.
Some have indigenous populations
Some have “implanted” populations
Some are independent
Some are affiliated with the closest larger country
Some are affiliated with a country that isn't the closest
What do they all have in common? Their status is decided by those who live there.
If the people of Iceland decided they wanted to become part of Argentina, it would be their choice.
if the people of Tasmania wanted to leave Australia and join New Zealand, why not?
If the people of the Shetland Islands wanted to leave a newly independent Scotland and rejoin the Uk......LOL
Island groups, especially those distant (over 200miles) from the mainland, cannot be part of anyone's “territorial integrity” and the inhabitants can choose their affiliations.
As you know, when the British reclaimed the islands in 1833, the civilian population remained and only the 50 or so newly arrived (2 months) “rapists, murderers, mutineers, militia, vagabonds, deportees” laughably renamed “the original population” (pmsl LOLOLOLOL) we're peacefully asked to leave.
Sorry,,you are too thick to understand it...then you are an Argentine.
I believe our gvt in Argentina is talking too much about this topic! The populist govts are the worst ones, (...in fact was one of them who led us to war) Of course we should respect the genuine desire of the falklanders if you want to remain british. We have much more important issues to be concerned here in Arg. In my opinion much time must time until the hate btwn our people go some day, possible in the next generations relations may improve, if from both sides we learn to live/respect together. Good luck with your referendum.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A breath of fresh air your post.
One thing I would suggest for the future is the proper version of the history of the Islands in the school curriculum.
I think that would benefit all.
@151
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the accurate history should be taught in both countries, allowing the students to make their own decisions...sadly even “educated” Argentines prefer the indoctrination of children.
@152;
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You find the same phenomenon in religion too.
Carlos Menem ( Former President of Argentina) found guilty of arms smuggling but will not serve a jail sentence because he is a lawmaker in the Argentine Government. ONLY IN ARGENTINA EH!!!!!!!
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Job for the boys eh. Would not happen in UK Chris Huene will no doubt be jailed
for perverting the course of justice.
Now what country is corrupt?
To all the idiotic argie trolls, Marcos, et all who asked why the two days?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The organisers of the Referendum, wishing to allow all voters to vote and mindfull that in some areas access will be by the use of small aircraft, allowed the two days for safety of the aircraft in case of high winds.
But you bunch of fuck-ups don't care anyway do you?
You will still spout your crap when the Tomahawk cruise missiles are flying into the Casa Rosada after TMBOA has started another war.
@154 Or Italy but that's pretty much the same thing if you look at the Italian Rugby team sheet this afternoon.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And before anyone questions the range of a Tomahawk (the missile) the RN H/K subs carry them, and can be launched submerged.
Who wants to bet there is at least one 'kissing kipper' there off the RG coast as I type this?
Just another quiet night in Argentina:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://tn.com.ar/politica/asi-fue-la-pueblada-de-junin_376385
Gosh why wouldn't everyone what to be part of that lovely and peaceful country.
You would think these EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS , Whooooops sorry ARGENTINES had nothing better to do I mean rampant inflation, threats of strikes, court battles a spiraling ecomomy downwards dear dear perhaps we should ask some of The Islanders to go over to Argentina and show them how an economy should be run.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here, what's the latest on that Falklander who lives in BA?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surprised they don't have his missus held hostage, and make him go on TV to denounce his own people or something.
That would be a more rational thing to do that continue to just spout shite.
@Escoses Doido ,They ate him a long time ago due to price controls and food shortages
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very high percentage of participation in the first day, nearly 80% of registered voters voted. Sure, tomorrow is the turn of those born in the islands.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0147Troy Tempest, A newspaper article written by Marcos Alejandro was floating around in support of Argentina and the Falklands he states he lives in London but will return to Argentina when conditions are right to do so.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like most, if not all Argentine supporters they have left Argentina mostly for English speaking countrys for want of a better life.
How hypercriticle can a person get what gets me is there obvious choice should have been to flee to Spain,anyway rumour as it Marcos Alejandro is working in one of the many 99p stores in London somewhere
@diegoveggie: Argentinian living in Stockholm. I support the #referendum. People first @FalklandsGov @falklands_utd
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow second sensible Argie in one day, they need to watch out there could be a outbreak of sensibility!! Then again
@162
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And on Tuesday all the Argentines EVER born on the islands can vote: ZERO.
As reported on Yahoo Argentina translated into English after Spanish
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Andy: Argentina viene siendo víctima de la MENTIRA POLÍTICA durante muchos años. Como usted dice, se han enriquecido hasta no poder más a costa del pueblo... HAN SIDO TODAS MENTIRAS Y MÁS MENTIRAS. Espero que algún día todo la charlatanería se termine y mi país sea de lo mejor en el mundo porque es capaz de eso.
Argentina has been the victim of political lie for many years. As you say, they have enriched till you drop at the expense of the people ... WERE ALL LIES AND MORE LIES. I hope that one day all the chatter is over and my country is the best in the world because it is capable of that.
'Falklands referendum: festooned in Union Jacks, islanders queue in the rain to vote on remaining British - Residents of the Falkland Islands were queuing up this afternoon to vote in a referendum on whether or not they want to remain British, amid increasingly bellicose claims by Argentina.'
Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
'Castro calls Malvinas referendum ‘capricious’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
'Long lines in Malvinas to vote in the referendum - We are expecting over 1000 islanders; decide if they want to remain British, Argentina rejects the vote driven by local authorities'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
'The referendum in Malvinas, seen by British TV - From the islands, the media reported on the UK voting and its meaning; access to videos'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
'Under the frost and flags waving, kelpers vote in the referendum - Polling stations opened at 10. Tomorrow, they will vote for the Yes or No to remain British.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
'Falklands referendum: Why ask British people if they want to be British?
Alejandro Betts, formerly Alexander, is the Falklands’ only ‘defector’. He tells David Usborne the referendum is pointless'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9920998/Falklands-referendum-festooned-in-Union-Jacks-islanders-queue-in-the-rain-to-vote-on-remaining-British.html
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Mar 10th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just another quiet night in England:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4833619/Teen-battered-by-gang-in-possible-mistaken-ID-case.html
We are so charming and quiet as their northern masters.
@ XAVIERV,Good job there not in Argentina and being ruled by the woman HEY
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA
Cristina Kirchner / Official
•Even before she was elected president of Argentina, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner carried the haze of corruption. In the most famous case, an emissary from Hugo Chavez, the president of Venezuela, was discovered at the Buenos Aires airport carrying a briefcase stuffed with $800,000 in cash, destined, he later told the FBI, to support Kirchner’s presidential bid. Kirchner denied the allegation. Within Argentina, many question the huge fortune Kirchner and her late husband Nestor amassed since taking public office. Her declared personal wealth stands at $13.8 million, up from $500,000 when the couple first entered national politics. Kirchner cites income from real estate and hotels the couple had purchased to explain the 2,600 percent return on the couple’s investment purse. Corruption watchers complain that her government has neutered government oversight, giving auditing posts to cronies compromised by conflicts of interest. The result: corruption cases take an average of 14 years to work through the system, according to the non-profit Center for the Study and Prevention of Economic Crimes, and only 15 in 750 cases have led to convictions.
@91 XAVIERV (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 10th, 2013 - 02:35 pm
Xav. You did not answer my question. Just how many Falkland Islanders are not FI born? You claim to know but you are not volunteering any figures. So give us your figures and the source of the figures please otherwise wind your neck in and do one. Like I said though. Even if most are not born and bred FI it would only matter to xenophobe racist with a nazi streak running down his Hitler moustache.
And in Scotland, this is our usual carry-on.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299180/Naked-woman-falls-roof-Aberdeen-rolling-building.html
Can anyone tell me including European immigrants, whoops sorry Argentines how was Germany rewarded after world war2 because any sovereignty claim came to an end the minute you illegally invaded The Falkland Islands in 1982 and ignored United Nations resolution 502 TO GET OUT
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas USELESS illegal referendum
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The referendum in British Falklands or complacency
By Marcelo G. Kohen *
On 10 and 11 March next about 1,500 eligible voters in the Falkland Islands will decide to say whether or not the islands “continue to be a British overseas territory”. Its organizers call referendum. Actually, should llamárselo “referendum of self-satisfaction.” This is a plebiscite organized by the British government to affirm British citizens who want the territory in which they reside “remains” British.
This pure propaganda exercise will not change the situation at all. The Falkland Islands will continue to be considered by the UN as a territory under decolonization. It is the administrative power that decides on how to end a colonial situation, and the area must cease to be enrolled on the list of “Territories” of the UN. In the past, it was the UN who organized and self-determination referendum audited when considered that this was the way to decolonize. The last one was the one that allowed East Timor becoming independent in 2002. Still pending the referendum in Western Sahara, another dependent territory, for which the UN established a specific operation: MINURSO (United Nations Mission for the Referendum Organization in Western Sahara). The case of the Malvinas is the opposite. The United Nations decided its realization. Not organized. Not audited. Intervene or not intervene at all in it. The UK does not even sought their participation.
The British government knows that will not support any UN, as already performed the same exercise in Gibraltar, without getting any change in status of the territory to the UN. Also failed to include a reference to self-determination in the resolutions on Malvinas.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-215078-2013-03-05.html
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Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear because mixtures things, one is the Argentina position concerning the “Malvinas issue” and quite another is the government. I want to say that the current government is corrupt, I'll tell you the same thing. And so I am an opponent of this government, I have always voted for the opposition. Does the Conservative government does everything perfect English? Never wrong and has no degrees of corruption. I think you also face government that supports English. It happens the same to me, no government support or leaneth CFK. But as its policy Argentine agree to the islands.
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I Nazi? Well, it's hard for a mulatto descendant of such a monstrosity I support Europe. I think you will not answer my question, tell me where is born the representative of his government in the islands? Here's my response, are all foreigners wanting to decide on a territory that is not theirs.
@Malvinero1,KOHEN A very South American sounding name where was his family inplanted from ISREAL perhaps????? another so called PLASTIC Argentine living in Europe
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@174 XAVIERV (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:11 pm
Xav. I don't know the answer to your question. That is why I am asking. Your original statement suggests that you do but your subsequent obfuscation suggests otherwise. In any case, you made the 'allegation' and so the burden of proof is on you.
Also, seeing as you are throwing URLs about here you go:
http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/2009/02/reply-crime-in-argentina-is-it-that-bad.html
Is it really that bad?
@174:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are also Polish. Polish.
Please don't conveniently forget your herritage.
Why do Argentines conveniently seem to forget there heritage that like the Islanders they are settlers only Spanish settlers were far more brutal in mainland South America EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS= ARGENTINES
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is politician in the UK recently convicted because his wife took the penalties on his driving licence when he was caught on a speeeding camera.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has been convicted also and it is highly likely they will both go to prison for at least 12 months. So yes, there is some degree of corruption in our country.
What would happen to a Member of Parliament in the same circumstances in Argentina?
@178 andy65 (#)
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:22 pm
No. Lets be realistic. Had there been any natives on the Falkland Islands I am sure the settlers would have been just as brutal, look at what happened everywhere else. But seeing as there were no natives on the Falkland Islands the argument is purely academic. It is moot.
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Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm mulatto, my Polish grandmother did not provide much in my gene ..
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I'd like to pass on the register link. Sure you can not, because the sides of each name can read their nationality, English, Chile, Santa Helena .. And Vietnamese soon too!
Since we are very interested in not being Argentinian Asian immigrants to fill with or where you think the workers will come from oil?
Trolls, no one cares. You don't seem to get it do you? We don't care what anyone says or thinks. The Falklands is British, the islanders want to remain British, you can't invade again because your country is knackered.....end of....
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@181 Britain perhaps? halfwit
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@181:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can you even say that?
Okay so you do not have a white apperance, but you have the genes in you.
Your children could (depending on the moter) well turn out with blue eyes.
@Furry-Fat-Feck Just pointing out The spanish colonisers were extemely brutal-Argentines forget or will not accept that part of there history,they call us Pirates but they are sons of Spanish pirates
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most ironic thing about Nazi style territorial nationalism is that these folks Norway considers to be peaceful are rolling up in their masses to sign-up to be associated with it. They can't seem to get enough of supporting a regime that keeps people poor, just so they can buy their votes.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next thing they'll be getting an Argentinian Norwegian Knobbel Not-peace prize winner to try to deny people's rights to democracy.
Oh wait...
@185 Andy:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a bunch of loosers they are - Never had any Pirates of their own, so just jelous at the romantisism they can not use.
Heard of Captain Kidd? The original dude who did the ledgendary deed of burying his treasure in a secret place.
Good Scotsman he was.
I believe that the Argentine government made one of his many mistakes. So never have my vote. I would if it was government today also called for a referendum to ask the 25 million Argentines eligible to vote, whether they are the Argentine and British islands. I have an idea of the final result ..
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would any Argentines on this forum like to explain to us about there history where they originated from??? just so we can be clear
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0173 Malvinero1
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect, it is a plebiscite organized solely by the Falkland Islanders. Ha! it's written by By Marcelo G. Kohen who should be charged with attempting to impersonate a lawyer. The UN politically biased committees can consider what ever they want, since they have zero powers of enforcement. The Islanders and the UK's legal rights trump them since the are based on the UN Charter, and the UK's long accepted sovereignty. Ceded to them by Argentines negligence, in submitting her dubious claim to the appropriate court. The UK doesn't need support as it is not a political issue. It is only a legal one, and the UK's claim is based firmly on right's long established under international law.
I think after the referendum, the next step should be for the UK and Falklander's to take this to the UN and get removed from the decolonization committee. Then to shut up the Rgs
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@173 - there is no need to mention self-determination in the Falkland Islands resolutions, as self-determination is at the top of the UN charter already. Perhaps you would understand it better if it was in football terms? The football rule book says that if one team scores more goals than the other in the game, they win. When two teams are requested to meet each other for a game, there doesn't need to be a specific mention of the whole scoring goals thing for that particular game. Both sides should understand that scoring goals is an over-arching rule. It wouldn't do for one team to say, at the end of the game (when soundly beaten) that there was no mention of the goal scoring bit in the details of this fixture. Would it Malvinero (district of Cordoba)?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is Argentina running around like mad hatters tonight if the referendum is nil and void in there eyes?? they seem to be the only people getting there knickers in a twist about it
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Polish mulatto from Argentina that can understand English and knows this obscure board it is just about statistically impossible. methinks someone is lying about something.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@yankeeboy Think ,Dov,Nossy=Birds Of a Feather
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why would a Polish mulatto, from Argentina, speaking poor English, have any interest in spending so much time and energy on this site?
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could he be La Campora??
@187 my own post:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ho ho. sorry I forgot about the American renegade called David Jewett.
Convicted of being an ARGENTINE pirate.
Google that cnut!
I thought Argentina said the referendum was irrelevant and illegal. If that is the case, then why are they crapping themselves so much that they have to call special session to reject the referendum??
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pooping themselves BIG style methinks.
196. More likely a Brazilian or someone who has never set foot in Argentina, there is a statistically a better chance to win the lottery and get hit by lightening then run over by a bus all on the same day than be an RG of Polish and African descent.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aye Yank, you could be right.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live in Brasil, (dont work there) never heard of any Poles there.
Another sunny day enjoying FUTBOL for everyone:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://tn.com.ar/deportes/after-play/batalla-campal-en-la-general-paz-entre-hinchas-de-river-y-colon_376421
Can they have a match where fans aren't seriously injured?
ED
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Start a rumour that KIDD buried his treasure in GOVAN, stand back and watch the fun! bloody great holes everywhere.
196, 199
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because offend my ancestors? I'm dark skinned and I can show you pictures of my close cousins are my name and have blond hair. Is you is my twitter: @ 71jv
@202
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everybody knows it's under the Casa Rosada.
198 ljb
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that too... If it is illegal and as irrelevant as they say then why all the fuss?
What they should have done is ignore it and NOT make such a big deal out of it.....
But too right, I bet they really are pooping themselves!! this is a big couple of days for the Falklands!!!
@202:
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Govan? yer probably right!
Yankee that's funny if not sad. Seems the RG's do not know what is worth fighting for. Futbol over democracy. Go figure.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0check
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR8iXWUHdnY
Xav, Formosa looks very modern layout. Tell us what's it like. Is it prosperous, safe, clean, plenty of jobs, inflation, corrupt or not, poverty, villas, good schools? Tell us about it
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hans
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man that's a result, all of KFC's problems are solved. Positive there is a treasure map in the National Archives, probable under the map of the Malvinas!
@210
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a map all right, and what's more it's in Argentine colours
Well, good time for distraction. Remember that joint fertilizer exploration with Brazilian investment that the Arg president celebrated? $5.9 B (projected to run to $11B. Seems like Brazil is be canceling it: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/10/vale-argentina-riocolorado-idUSL1N0C20NW20130310
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@203Xavier
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Because offend my ancestors? I'm dark skinned and I can show you pictures of my close cousins are my name and have blond hair. Is you is my twitter: @ 71jv“
That's ok, ”X“ we have your IP address. Your Interpol data lists your features ”negroid“ and your ethnicity as ”African - mixed”.
212. I think that is their largest FDI project. Poof gone, all because of the currency and import manipulation.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mendoza is freaking out, it is a lot of job and tax revue...gone
Why would anyone be so stupid as to legally bring in $ at get U$5.05 for them and turn around and have to spend U$8.08 locally. It makes no sense which CFK is quickly finding out.
They have f 'ed up their economy and it ill take a generation to fix the mess once she is gone.
Well that's her mind off the referendum then.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shite negotiating from the Argentines... quelle surprise.
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/03/10/falklands-referendum-self-determination-in-action/
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
All you Falklanders will laugh at this one. The head of the Lower House, Julián Domínguez referred to Falklanders as a “transplanted Popultion”. How stupid is this RG? You guys have been there almost 200 years. Hell.....everyone that's not indigenous to North and south America is a transplant. Did he not take history? Does not know that Europe discovered,explored and founded the Americas? Is that RG education in action? Good Lord!!!!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You Islanders and Brits really need to slap those silly bastaards but good.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/126043/referendum-is-english-empires-way-to-justify-land-usurpation-dom%C3%ADnguez
@218
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think history over there is taught along the lines of ''never let facts get in the way of a good story''.
As always this is no more than Viveza Criolla from the RG's.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viveza_criolla
They would laugh their backs off if their lies and deceit managed to price the Islands away. They will simply say, lie, deceive and do anything to get their own way.
Do any of my fellow British or British/Irish feel like this when the Argies go on and on and on and on, morning noon and night about a set of islands that they will never own?
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Ok, I am the president of Argentina. I offer the UK this:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Change to the constitution to renounce to the Falklands claim for 200 years.
in exchange:
All british interest in Argentina leave, embassy closes, no British citizens allowed into Argentina for 200 years.
Deal?
The Only Period of BRITISH and French Investment In The Argentine Economy.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Wiki, ahem.
“During its most vigorous period, from 1880 to 1905, this expansion resulted in a 7.5-fold grgowth in GDP, averaging about 8% annually. [24]
One important measure of development, GDP per capita, rose from 35% of the United States average to about 80% during that period.”
222. Argentina can give up diplomatic relations with the UK anytime they want. How come they don't?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not Nationalize all UK interest in Argentine?
hmm
must be a reason
There is nothing important to nationalize.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has done all it can to end relations: burn flags, send provocative ambassadors to London, ban ships, etc. ARG simply does not because it would play into their hands. It's the UK that in spite of everything meekly does not make a strong stand and take this action themselves given the situation.
Why would we need a deal ?? We've got everything that we want.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's amounts to about the same nuisance value as a persistent fle !
Then why 226 responses in this thread?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please by all means, that is the attitude I want. You have what you want... so beat it and stop crying when we don't want you in our ports!
You have nothing we want - but you are still required to obey international law. Illegal blockades will be met by positive action. How about we stop some of your ships getting into Europe??
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its Argentina that needs to grow up and stop with the wailing. No-one is listening.
:-)
No we are not require to obey any law, since no law is being broken. British ships have no rights to dock in Argentina, it is privilege. And privileges are legally revocable. Just like you revoke Iran's ships.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHHHH. gotcha.
@ 91 XAVIERV
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am from the city of Formosa, northern Argentina.”
Argentina stole Formosa and Misiones from Paraguay in 1870, so you are a Paraguayan in an usurped province.
@ 98 XAVIERV
“They are British and is what we have been telling the world. They can not decide on the sovereignty under that nationality!”
- and people in Córdoba are Argentine, so they should not be allowed to vote for congress and senate?
Please, don't cut your medication again.
Silly troll, it is Argentina that is the coward, it has been shown time and again...time and again.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strong with the Weak and Weak with the Strong
It is your nation's creed.
As are prepared to vote tomorrow those born in the islands? Sure must be very anxious .. I'm sure the residents of other countries who voted today, which are 80% of all registered, have more experience than you, so guide them so that tomorrow no mistake and end up getting the wrong ballot ..
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 014 Escoses Doido
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Adolfo Perez Esquivel makes sense that the “nineteenth century” (stay away from the date deliberatley 1833) the “authorities” were expelled from the islands.
He knows the popular lie on Argentina “population” of being expelled is just that - A. Lie.
With the respect you deserve're wrong. Adolfo Perez Esquivel supports Argentina's claims. He argues that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
Always felt in all global forums that Argentines were expelled by force in 1833.
Expulsion is documented with facts and a lie is not popular. Expulsion Argentina in 1833 is a strong and undeniable truth made by English colonialism and imperialism.
Anyone have any comments on this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/movil/noticias/2013/02/130201_libro_dice_las_malvinas_son_uruguayas_gl.shtml
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it's perfectly okay for Argentina in the face of two protests from Briton to unilaterally attempt to usurp the islands. But, when Briton counters with a mirror image move it's not okay. It's impossible to violate the territorial integrity of Argentina. As term stems from modern international law and is barred from being applied retroactively.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'”
Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
@ 233 Raul
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Tell us the names of the Argentine civilians who were expelled in 1833.
2. Explain how “El gaucho Rivero” could be on the islands in August 1833 if he was expelled in January.
@236 St John
Mar 11th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't confuse Raul with actual facts now, his brain will melt.
It is actually really quite sad to see these trolls hang onto these lies, even when the Argentine government has actually stopped using them
Perhaps if Raul had actually bothered to go to the Argentine national archives, he could've seen for himself the truth that no civilians were expelled in 1833. But he won't do that, because then he would have to admit that he was wrong, and he's too arrogant for that.
Soon Argentina will disappear up its own arse, and this time it may never recover. In the past Argentina has defaulted on money owed to foreigners, this time it will be defaulting on money owed to ordinary Argentine people.
So the government will collapse, the next government will have nothing to work with: especially as CFK has done an excellent job of closing Argentina's access to international funds: so it will collapse.
If they are lucky, their friends in Iran 'might' loan them money, but the price of the aid will be extremely high. Just like Venezuela's aid will be expensive to Argentina when they call in their markers. Chavez loaned CFK lots of money, but at interest rates that are through the roof.
Argentina the 'could've been something' country has become the 'never was' country. It couldn't even make it to 'has been' country status. How sad.
@236
Mar 11th, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Raul has obviously not yet realized that Argentine government pronouncements no longer talk of the expulsion of the “population” but of the “authorities”. Or in other words, they now support and confirm the British version of events. Catch up, Raul!
I originally thought they'd made this change to stop looking stupid, but their response to the referendum certainly scotches that theory.
Raul hasn't received a copy of the new play book by La Campora. Go gentle on him during what can only be described as confusing time.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doublethink is dangerous!
@179 reality check
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can answer that. Apparently Carlos Menem ( Former Argentininian President) now a lawmaker in the now Argentine Government was found guilty of arms smuggling to Serbia. He will NOT serve a prison servoce because he is a serving lawmaker. ONLY IN A PARIAH STATE.
I love it when Argentinians provide Knobel Peace Prize winners with the same infallibility that they provide maximo and the pope with regards to having: a) no biases; b) perfect knowledge; and c) unbounded rationality.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, those of us in the real world see the fallibility in their actions, knowledge and words and simply see this Adoldfo Pérez Esquivel chap as being a sour-biased old man in need of some 'cash-money' through local-market book sales.
It's quite pathetic really.
@241
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Adoldfo Pérez Esquivel quote :-
“people who have investigated the tragic events of 9/11/2001 and claim there is evidence that this was a self-coup (self-inflicted attack)”
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2012/12/07/the-gaza-crisis-and-the-intellectual-left-in-latin-america/
@INTROLLREGNVM Say “Argentina has done all it can to end relations: burn flags, send provocative ambassadors to London, ban ships, etc.”
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which clearly shows what a childish junped up people you really are,sending an old pensioner one parent mother x flight attendent to London creating nothing but comedy if thats the best Argentina can send then keep sending them I just love listing to these passed there sell by date Latinos babbling away and making themself look stupid,you need to start sending some seasoned diplomats to such an important posting.
Introllregnvm
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would agree to your request on one additional condition.
All British inventions, medical advances, pharmaceuticals and treatments are not made available ever to any Argentine. Especially member of your immediate family.
Wouldn't that be irony Nostril?
I know it is very unlikely you will ever have sex as it is unclear whether Quasimodo had a sister, but should there be a poor unfortunate woman who did mind being pawed by your greasy hands, and could stand the stench of your breath, maybe one day Nossie. Don't talk to her about politics though...she will see what an imbecile you are.
Anyway, when you and Quasis sister have your offspring be sure that under no circumstance must any British developed drugs, processes or procedures be used on Nossie Jnr.
And should the unthinkable happen be prepared to explain why...because you are a small-minded, racist, out of your depth, turd....who thinks he's clever.
@244 - Monkeymagic
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good points, don't forget since he won't be using any more British inventions, we won't ever be hearing from him again as the British invented:
Computers
World Wide Web
Telephones
Televisions
And he'll probably die of a disease because the British invented the modern sewage system on which EVERY other sewage system in the world is based; and they discovered vaccines, anti-biotics, antiseptics, anaesthetics etc...
And he'll never be able to travel on a plane or in a car, because weren't they invented by the 'evil' US of A?
And he shouldn't be using electricity, because lets face it, Argentina certainly never discovered how to generate it or harness it.
@245
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not too sure what inventions or developments we can thank Argentina for...the following are not invented by Argentina but they have mastered them:
Lying
Cheating
Jealousy
Theft
Defaulting
Whining
Monkeymagic @ 246
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't Dr Biro, inventor of the ball point pen, an Argentine?
No, ynsere, he was not.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The TTT troll futily tried to assert that myth and got slapped down for it.
Biro was a Hungarian who invented it in Europe and patented it in Britsin in 1938.
He fled to Argentina in the 1940's.
Argentina had Biro sign over most of the ownership of his company to them in exchange for citizenship for his family.
I posted 3 seperate links supporting these facts, but I do not have them available now.
It IS. true that the “Biro” was developed in Argentina and marketed in BsAs before a couple of US companies sold them in the US, in 1949.
However, they still required further development before they became the ubiquitous writing implement of today
“Argentine lawmakers to call special session to reject Falklands’ referendum”
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You what???
A referendum that they didn't care about in the first place?
And now they are having a special session to reject it?
LOL
I MUST be getting old or have missed the point somewhere along the line....
Oh well, I always said that there was three types of “Special”
1/ There is the “Special” where you storm embassies and rescue hostages
2/ there is the “Special” where you say “You want fries with that dude?”
3/ there is “Special” needs
I think that this “special session” falls under the last heading..........
So=
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can claim something before you even existed, and thus claim it over 150 years later,
Does that mean, that any new or future country that appears or becomes independent in the next 150 years in south America,
[but obviously does not exist today, ]
Can then have a legitimate claim on ARGENTINA ,
Argie bloggers come cack lol.
Silly munchkins
Troy Tempesy @ 248
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you.
So you mean Argentines have never invented anything (besides the “Malvinas” myth and Peronism)?
@251Ynsere
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's right, nothing. Except perhaps, Peronism, Malvinas Myth, and maybe Viveza Criolla.
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