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“Free association”, an option for the current Falklands’ dispute at UN
There is no doubt that the Falkland Islanders have the right to self-determination, a visiting professor of politics told a public meeting held in the capital Stanley at the Chamber of Commerce last Friday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Willetts is an Emeritus Professor of Global Politics at City University, London, and has studied the United Nations for more than fifty years...”
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0A member of the South Atlantic Council (!) and described to me recently as an “Ivory tower academic”
What about if the Falkland Islands asked to formally join the union and have a seat(s) in British Parliment?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0What the hell is free association anyway? Does that mean they don't have to give us a quid every time they tell someone they are associated with us?
Nothing wrong with being a BOT - you can stop being one at any time you so wish - as this referendum is showing, and that of the referendum Gibraltar had in 2002, and the referendum Scotland will be having on whether it will be leaving the Union or not in the near future.
Hey fine, there are plenty of things going on in the world that don't please the UN, like hundreds of people being murdered in Syria on a weekly basis maybe? Surely self-determination can't come with conditions, otherwise it's not self determination, it's imposed determination. What this guy sounds like he is trying to do is create a palletable arrangement that can placate South American leaders. Is he planning on imposing free association to other countries overseas territories, or is this a special arrangement for just the British ones?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ivory tower is correct (off the wall or what?)- http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/p.willetts/SAC/OP/OCCPAP11.PDF
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Free Association - I seem to recall that Britain doesn't operate that particular system and has stated previously that it will not do so.
One man's opinion.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you read it ...... ??
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just go to the conclusion!!
Changing definitions wont change the fact that the islands aren't British. They Falklanders might be so by own choice, but that doesn't include the islands.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should Argentina have a referendum on the matter, it would have the same impact.
I think the UN will decide what is or is not acceptable to them.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders and the UK should boycott the next C24 meeting and the UK should remain silent when the matter is discussed in the 4th Committee and, if it gets there, the General Assembly. That'll teach those pesky UN people not to recognise true self determination when they see it.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, if Argentina holds a referendum asking themselves if they consider themselves Argentines, and the answer is yes. Does that mean Isle of Man belongs to Argentina?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Continue with your theater.
@7
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't the UK that had the referendum you fool, it was the people that live on the islands, once again your analogy is flawed.
@8
Agreed, but that goes for everyone, not just the UK.
@7 Stevie
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the islands aren't British”? This is a nonsensical statement - “the islands are not BRITAIN” makes more sense. However, the history of the islands, since their first sighting, makes it quite clear that sovereignty of the Falkland Islands rests ENTIRELY with the United Kingdom WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION!
The Argentine claim to the islands mainly consists of fairy stories and invention and the curious thing is that there are as many Argentine versions of their claim as there are Argentine citizens - they can't even get their stories right!
In any case the Falklands Islands will be what their inhabitants choose it to be!
The UK already boycotts the C24. There is a seat put out every year but remains empty throughout. We haven't attended officially since the 70's although we retain the right to speak on matters concerning the Falklands and Gibraltar.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Ambassador has been known to slip in and sit and the back occassionally.
We do attend the Fourth Committee when they consider the work done by the C24 - and we usually speak at that meeting - in the knowledge that nothing will pass through the 4th on the subject of the Falklands. (Old deal Argentina has not been able to break so far)
The Falklands have been British since 1765 Stevie ..... nothing can change that!
(9) Mr. McDod
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“..... cast ye your pearls before swine......”
K. J. B.
You missed the first bit out Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs... ” Matthew 7.6
And the Islanders certainly don't appear to be about to :-
@13 I think it may be that Argentina fears that if it did break the agreement the new status would be less favourable for them than the present status. The item remains on the Agenda as I understand it, ready for when that assessment changes.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair to this chap, he's got a point which is that the UN might not recognise the status of what the falklands is as being 'decolonised', even though it is technically free association in most senses of the word. It's the same with gibraltar, but to be fair this is a position the people have chosen as being best for themselves through a democratic vote.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0His other main point is equally as valid which is that the Argentines vocalise their fantasies as facts. The falklands are not a special colonial situation, they have a right to self-determination, and this has been challenged in the GA by the Argentines and they lost.
As academics go, he's just stating 'objective facts', whether we like them or not. What is interesting is when you compare them to that Prof. 'I fled Argentina' Kohen chap who seems to state 'subjectively preferential desires'.
The 'Question' remains on the agenda every year - but hasn't got passed the Fourth Committee since diplomatic relations were re-established. Without the 4th passing a draft Resolution through to the GA, the Assembly are unlikely to accept a sponsored Resolution.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still an idiot then Marv?? You are taking your tablets???
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(15) Lord Ton
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs...“
I say...:
I knew you were interested in them Islands, lad..... but....
The ”Holy” Malvinas ???
Ain't that pushing it a tad too far?
And you call us brainwashed?
It's a laughable concept, Argentina will not accept anything other than full sovereignty. Trying to find some middle road which will please everyone is utterly pointless. Territories are won by settlement, war and bloodshed, all that has already happened and Britain won and has been there ever since. This situation will never change. The good thing is that Argentina are on the cusp of yet another spectacular collapse, very soon the government there and their brainwashed public will have FAR more serious matters to deal with and the rest of South America will have to deal with the mess.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can bet every penny you own that the Falklands will drop off the agenda very quickly when this happens.
@17
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. It seems to me he simply states that in his view the definition of BOT doesn't fit within the recognised UN framework. No suggestion that the islanders aren't British or that Argentina has a valid claim.
It actually makes a lot of sense to work with the UN in formally clarifying the best route for the islanders to take to preserve their way of life. And by the sound of it BOT/FA are basically the same thing.
Unfortunatley there is often a kneejerk reaction from many posters against anything that even hints at a change in the status quo.
i think Independence with free association to the UK for the islanders could be worked, would also get that pesky Argentina of there back. it would make for an interesting situation internationally. essentially nothing would change, worded correctly they could keep there British citizenship, currency ect plus additional citizenship of the Falkland islander. they could then associate with whom they please and still retain defense in the form of a protectorate of the UK. interesting idea
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, yes, just need to re-write the Argentine constitution and then a quick trip over the rainbow and everyone is happy. It won't change a thing.
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Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Yes. However, the issue here is that the UN has lost it's clarity since it was founded. Just look at the committee on human rights which is essentially full of arabs and basically spends every waking hour trying to rip into israel. Regardless of widespread feelings about the pros and cons of Israel, there are surely other countries that deserve to have their human rights contested, particularly on the issues of religious freedoms. That never happens.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 is now simply a gathering of 'Latin-only Americans' +spanish who want to rip into the UK based upon their territorial nationalism ideologies supporting land theft.
Any of us expecting these UN committees to do or say anything sensible just exposes a high level of naïveté. Better leave those places for sour traitors and bitter failed authors with vague family links to Vernet's british colony to spew forth their rage.
Good gracious are any of these RG trolls living on this side of the Atlantic.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think not
It must be nice to delude yourself on the goodness of the mother country while under the protection of your chosen home country
What a bunch of hypocrites
sickening really
@23
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. If Free Association means internal self Government for the FI while the UK take responsiblity for defence and foreign affairs then nothing would change. The islanders retain their own identity, culture and way of life while maintaining their links to the UK. However the UN would be obliged to recognise the new status of the islands, remove the islands from the C24 list and revoke its status as a disputed territory. It sounds to me like the real winners in that situation would be the islanders.
Anybody (preferably an islander) know why this has never been discussed/investigated before?
He has also suggested Free Assocation with other countries, eg Canada, might be a better option. Takes away the 'old'-colonial' power out of the equation.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0But have Mt Pleasant as a sovereign British garrison, as in Cyprus, for 'peace-keeping purposes.
Oh, and he had his official observer status taken away by the Attorney-general, for publicising his views on the front page of Penguin News!
#26
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a pathetic little troll you are. You keep posting the same trash as you have nothing worthwhile to say or to add.
I suppose it's jealousy on your part, harbouring a wish to be British but being denied the privilege. Dream on LOSER !
@27
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody UN box tickers, pay attention:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0We. Choose. To. Remain. A. British. Overseas. Territory.
How fucking hard is that to understand?
@31:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't be too harsh with him, he almost managed to put a whole sentence together that time.
As I recall the objection that the UK had with the whole “free association” thing was it gave the UK the exact same responsibilities (financial oversight being the obvious one) to the BOT in question without the authority to actually necessarily fulfil those responsibilities. So if things go OK then it makes absolutely no difference but if the wheels do badly come off then the UK can't intervene but is liable for the mess that they could have prevented (or at least mitigated).
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Ultimately when managing the long drawn out tail of any programme of work you have to start dealing with the unique differences in the situations and ultimately decide when you have to stop because it's no longer delivering any benefits.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0This decolonisation programme should have ended years ago, as it's simply not delivering any benefits to anyone. Referenda are failing, people's democratic wishes are being ignored by the committee, et cetera. It's just a complete partisan forkshow.
To change a name and yet retain the status quo would simply be a sop to appease the Argentine, which it wont. 'British' and 'Territory' is what really gets up their nose and needs to be retained. But the Islanders view on that is what matters, not the UNs.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The nature of the relationship between FI and UK is entirely an internal matter.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Changing the name won't be enough. Only a revision of the 2008 Constitution will do.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0One step at a time Prof Willets.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone know of / does anyone have concrete evidence of this Professors opinions being taken up ny the UN?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0If yht 50 years claim is true you would imagine he has SOME idea what needs to happen next.
I suspect the answers will be NO and NO.
Anyone else THINK it is strange Rgs are wintering in Nothern Europe do you think they plan to Winter in Argentina too?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Odd that
Most people do the opposite.
“”“Professor Willetts said that “the government of Argentina is wrong to argue that their sovereignty claim can deprive the Islanders of their international legal rights” ”“””
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0well that's a real shocker.... i wonder if he got paid for that piece of unbelievably obvious-ness.
I wonder just what Prof Willets believes self determination actually is?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I mean surely if the people who live on the Islands freely determine that they want to stay a British Overseas Territory, then that is them determining their own political status and future.
Just because in 1960 the UN didn't foresee that territories would want to be Overseas Territories, doesn't mean that being one shouldn't be recognised by the UN as a people exercising their self-determination.
Perhaps its the UN that needs to update its views. The Falkland Islands are already self-governing, and in a few years time, when the oil money starts rolling in, they may choose to become fully independent.
Either way, the only people who can determine their status ARE the Falkland Islanders; not Argentina, not the UK and certainly not the UN who 50 odd years ago decided what should happen, and not taking into account any monumental events that have happened since that may influence the actions and decisions of the people of the territories in question.
Events such as the illegal invasion and occupation of their territory by a belligerent neighbour who threatened to murder the whole population. Events such as the 'old colonial' power (as womble describes it) coming to the rescue of the people whose territory had been illegally occupied. Or the fact that the said territory is completely self-governing, and wish to remain that way.
Just what does Prof Willets or the UN actually want? To force people into a situation that THEY think those people should have? Isn't that the complete opposite of self-determination, forcing people to a situation that they don't want? Isn't that, in itself, a form of colonialism?
Come on Prof Willets, start talking some sense.
This isn't a new idea. And everyone who matters is aware of it. However it is currently not an option on offer by the UK and there is no desire, it would seem, by the Islanders for a change in their current status.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hypothetically speaking, should the desire arise, it would seem that NZ already has two associated states and a third might be a good fit. A nice small peaceful Southern Hemisphere country also bordering the Antartic.
Seems a good fit. Two problems.... totally unable to defend the islands and also it would mean having the Queen of New Zealand as their head of state..... oh the foreignness of it all!
@40 Hey Joe
Congratulations on a great weekend. Saw lots of news articles including a bit done in a shop called “Bittersweet”. Aside from all those delicious chocolates, was great to see a gay flag on the window too! Also noticed how very 'west country' the Islander accent sounds - reminded me of my ex who hailed from Cornwall.
According to the UN Charter, whether malvinazi Argentina likes it or not, ALL peoples have the right of self determination.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Tomorrow Argentina, raised the referendum on the UN. Know the world that are British and not a different people, so we just have to negotiate with their cities as they have their own identity rather than being British .. 98% by the YES confirm our position. Thanks islanders pay our thesis!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 045 Hey Anglotino
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you appreciated some of the coverage. Yep, Julie and her partner who run Bitterweet are a gay couple. I have to admit I haven't been in there yet but I've heard it's worth a try. Strangely I don't drink coffee. I wish I did, I love the smell of coffee beans, but the taste of coffee makes me gag. I've tried loads of times to force myself to become accustomed but I can't hack it.
I did an interview over the weekend but I've not heard from anyone saying they've seen it. You know what it's like. An hour or more of work can end up as 30 seconds on the screen. Carol Thatcher interviewed me and took over my life for an entire day once and the result on the show she was making was the side of my head for about 5 seconds while I spoke to someone else. Maybe that says a lot about my face! LOL!
@44 'Either way, the only people who can determine their status ARE the Falkland Islanders; not Argentina, not the UK and certainly not the UN '
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont think the UK can quite be excluded from the decision ! In fact it is very much down to the UK who has albeit pledged to support the Islanders wishes.
Any independence for example, should the Islanders wish it, would need to be granted by the UK, at the islanders request. Best bet for independence though is by being initially British. Malta for example would never have gained independence had it been a French or Italian 'posession'. Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily are all many times bigger than Malta, but will never be independent.
Dont think Argentina would ever grant it !!!!
Good luck for the future.... Falklands Forever British..... for as long as you want it that is.
48 Joe
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must have been a great weekend. Very much a small country fair feeling to it! We have so much in common it's no wonder we're accused of being the same person. Lol. I too love the smell of coffee and yet don't drink it. Coming from Melbourne this is almost sacrilege. Like admitting I don't barrack for a footy team.
It was Julie in the clip I saw. If you do bump into her, tell her that one gay Aussie was chuffed to see the rainbow flag amongst all that red, white and blue. Though I still promise to tell her myself one day.
Seems the hornet's nest has been well and truly poked by this and I'll admit a certain amount of glee in reading the desperate rantings on here and other sites in a vain attempt to hijack the conversation to any topic other than this example of self determination and democracy. Think is almost beside himself talking about “brownies” on another thread and yet almost being ignored. Chuckle chuckle.
A pat on everyone's back! Can't wait to hear the result. I wonder if it'll be a nailbiter?
Free association” with the UK, an option for the current Falklands’ dispute at UN
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAh MAlvinas Argentinas
desprate argentine trolls everwhere... ho ho ho . hornets nest right
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rule britania!
50 Anglotino
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's so funny. I hate not liking coffee also. There are so many interesting flavours and blends. I always opt for a hot chocolate unless the place actually looks like it can make a decent cup of tea but lots can't.
I'll tell Julie for sure. I must go in there.
What is it with Think? We're Brits and we're not entitled to be here but at the same time he wants to observe how we govern our affairs. He mustn't be too confident with the first argument.
Yeah, it was a really interesting weekend; lots of parties. Did you see Nev in the three piece Union flag suit? What a sight.
Catch you later mate.
Professor Willetts is just suggesting a way that the Falkland Islanders can get Argentina off their backs permanently. This 'Free Association' sounds interesting.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know that a number of Islanders have already voiced the possibility of becoming fully independent, when they have the means to provide their own defence, but the ties to the UK are so strong that they do not want to lose their connection to Great Britain.
As was already pointed out, it was the fact that the word 'British' was in the title BOT that Argentina used to rally support from other nations by saying that it was a colony when it was not. Taking away the word 'British' would lose a lot of Argentine supporters.
Furthermore, as the Professor suggests, Argentina already lost the argument in the UN General Assembly twice, most recently in 2008, that the Islanders have the full right of Self-Determination as laid down in the UN Charter. We also know that even though the UN C24 & General Assembly have issued resolutions backing discussions, these are not implied support for Argentina's claim, but actually a request to find a solution that enables the UN to consider the matter resolved - even if Argentina is unhappy with the outcome, because the islanders won.
Even some of the veterans of the 82 war (General Thompson) suggested that the only way to resolve the matter would be for the Falkland Islands to become an independent nation, protected by the United States and United Kingdom. If Mount Pleasant was a joint US & UK base, as Wideawake is on Ascension Island, then it would be very difficult for Argentina to even consider invasion without the United States making their lives miserable.
A solution might be to have a broader referendum in a few years time. To ascertain how the Islanders see their future. They could keep joint British & Falkland Island nationality, retain all their rights, but they would be free of any claim from Argentina forever.
Funny thing independence. I have two daughters. One has left home with my blessing and support and is therefore considered by definition 'independent'; the other daughter prefers to stay at home and doesn,t want what can be descriobed as total 'independence' and yet in many ways is more independent than the first. She lives her own life but without some of the more expensive problems such as a mortgage. She will know when 'full independence' is right for her, and when that time comes I will support her. Until then everyone is happy with the current situation. I think I might get angry if my next door neighbour or the local council suggested that the second one remaining within the family was unacceptable.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It only concerns daughter and I.
International Status - only concerns Falklands and U.K.
bla bla bla!!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Joe
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saw the piece on Sky, loved the suit, complete down to his shoes. Talk about a picture painting a thousand words, loved the smile on the ladies face, who I take was his good lady. Give him a damn good pat on the back from us all, bloody marvelous idea, I should think he's been seen around the world.
Aaah Gustbury. Chipping in with another great piece of commentary.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you are making the Argentine position clear, that you have no say and nothing of merit to offer in the Falkland Islands future.
57 RC
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is such a shy and unwilling showman most of the time too. NOT! LOL! And you're right, I mustn't forget his good wife Pauline. I'm glad it gave you a laugh and I'll pass on the pat next time I'm in his emporium.
Joe
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would also advise him to put it away somewhere safe, because generations from now, when you are an Independent free nation, that suit is going to be an iconic symbol of your struggle against Argentine aggression (You think I'm laying it on a bit too heavy for them?) You never know 100 years from now his great grand children could be looking at it on display, in a glass case in the islands National Museum. LOL.
@61:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you furious about?
Do people not take you seriously or something?
@Anglotino, By all acounts they are not expecting a re count 1am UK result should be known
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More properly referred to as an “Associated State”. A status accepted by the UN under resolution 1541. By careful wording, the following important countries could be brought “on-side” because they have similar recognised arrangements: Australia, France, Italy, New Zealand, Spain, Switzerland, United States. No reason why the Falkland Islands cannot have its defence provided by the UK. All the listed nations provide defence for their associated territories.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A subject for future discussions between the Falkland Islands and the United Kingdom. Cutting argieland off at the knees. Or perhaps a little higher.
@7 Then you'll have to shut up, won't you?
@9 The UK doesn't attend meetings of the C24. It's irrelevant.
@10 Question is: How many argies would say “No”? Wouldn't that be fun? If x% of the current argie population said they didn't want to be argies!
@21 Keep it up. We could arrange for you to “ascend to heaven”. At least, there'll be no trace of you on Earth.
@47 Don't be silly. There are 69 recognised cities in the UK. You lot couldn't even talk to 2 Falkland Islanders!
@51 Has somebody shoved a bayonet up your arse? If not, why not?
@56 Jajajajajajajajajajaja. Who's a slug?
Professor Willetts believes the change in the position of being a colony to be a dependent territory, if an overseas territory, has brought political change on the road to self-government of the Falklands, but not enough to satisfy the UN.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic and lamaentable. What are you waiting for United Nations and Decolonization Committee of the United Nations is that the UK complies with international law. The General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands is said to comply with Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified later other resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40 ), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. Reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the UK) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of independence to colonial Countries and Peoples, in order to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands. No desires. No self.
Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
@55
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant analogy!
So, what was the resolution that Argentina tried to get passed in the GA in 2008 and fail. Any references?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enlighten me Raul, what do you think that would be in the best interests of the FALKLANDERS?
TWIMC
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time for Bradford West to have a Referendum and secede from the United Kingdom!
Time for Bradford West to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Saudi Arabia for Economic Development.
Time for Bradford West to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Pakistan for Nuclear Defence.
Time for Bradford West to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Afghanistan for Women’s Affaires.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/126124/british-mp-calls-for-malvinas-sharedsovereignty
Chuckle chuckle©
Dream on Raul... You failed to understand why the Falkland Islanders held a referendum. They know Argentina is hostile, they know UN is unsympathetic, they don't much care. They just wish to be left alone in peace and not threatened by bullying neighbours all the time. Hopefully sensible people all over the world will recognise that and support them. We shall see who does and act accordingly.... Britain should cut off aid from any country not supporting freedom and democracy.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64 Raul
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you just cut and paste this stuff? It has no relevance. You know full well that the UN cannot adjudicate on pre 1945 sovereignty disputes. 2065 is dead anyway after the 1982 invasion. There are no binding resolutions ( I think not any non binding ones either) against the UK - this was confirmed recently by Ban Ki Moon
These resolutions only asks for talks but as you insist on bilateral negotiations and your constitution forbids any discussion of sovereignty, I'm afraid the Islanders clear decision has now made you post irrelevant. Things have moved on. You had your chance to talk at the “empty chair” meeting in London - your government chose to refuse and was outplayed by a much smarter set of politicians (the FiG as well as the UK)
The ICJ is your only option - but you know you'll lose and that will be it. Finito Benito!
As they haven't pulled off any stunt beyond the mighty denouncement in their parliament I am starting to wonder why CFK did leave Venezuela before Chavez's funeral. I assume it was related to the referendum but am now wondering if she did have a hissy fit about something as others suggested.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George Galloway always has to be the centre of attention. Listen to what the FALKLANDERS want, they are expressing their views right now.
If the FALKLANDERS want to have Free Association they will undoubtably vote for that when they feel the time is right.
THE FALKLANDERS WILL DECIDE THEIR FUTURE AS YOU CAN DECIDE YOURS. TOODLEPIP
@71 Possibly because they might have taken her to be the corpse by mistake?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Galloway he snake... Sory, pussie . He like Sadam, Castro, Chavez and sort of maniac like that. Go North Korea Mr snake!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who this troll? Is Arg or who?
We've got George Galloway, you have Beatriz Sarlo - but only one of these is a bit loopy and does cat impressions.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only voice that counts is that of the Falklands Islanders.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0end.of.
@68 - Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really want the support of George Galloway? A man who supports violence and rape against women?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/12/george-galloway-constituents-rape-comments
Really?
Is Argentina's position now so bad that you have to call on people like him?
Even his own constituents don't want anything to do with him anymore, and it's extremely doubtful he'll ever get voted into parliament again. No political party would touch him with a barge pole, not even the Communists or the BNP, even they have standards.
@68 Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know fuck all about the the mix of people in Bradford, I'll take that as one of your least sensible posts.
At least I know what the area is like...
64 Raul
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet again the principle of territorial integrity cannot be applied as it is a modern law and contravenes the principle of international law barring retroactive application of law. Again, UN resolutions unless emanating from the Security Council are not binding law.
“It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'”
Akehurst's Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk
The UK holds the legal sovereignty, therefore the islanders have the right to self-determination. If this where not true, Argentina would have made application to the ICJ to stay the referendum. So by her acquiescence, she is giving tacit consent.
@79 - Terence Hill
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed. In fact on many occasions I have asked Raul and Alex why Argentina doesn't take their sovereignty claim to the ICJ.
Strangely they never answer. In fact only TTT answered, and it was one of the few truthful things he ever posted. He said Argentina would only take their claims to the ICJ, when they were sure the odds were stacked in their favour. In other words, when they had judges on the panel from countries that were sympathetic to them, or that they could bribe.
This is the real truth.
TWIMC
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Following the Malvinas Isles example, we only need some 1,675 Bradford Brownies electors to succesfully secede from the United Kingdom.....
SELF_DETERMINATION for Bradford West, East. South and North!!!
Time for the Bradfords to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Saudi Arabia for Economic Development.
Time for the Bradfords to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Pakistan for Nuclear Defence.
Time for the Bradfords to seal a ”Free Association Agreement” with Afghanistan for Women’s Affaires.
www.buenosairesherald.com/article/126124/british-mp-calls-for-malvinas-sharedsovereignty
Chuckle chuckle©
It is clear THINK, the resident alien of UK or EU is very concerned the Falklanders are on their way to Independence.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think he is quickly pulling out all of those nails he put in their coffin.
It must be very difficult to see his former country so impotent and on the brink of yet another economic disaster. I am sure he is glad he doesn't have to live though it and is protected by the warm embrace of stable and secure country.
@71 As I understand, the CFK hissy fit was when she was told there were no suitcases full of cash to take back to BA!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@81 - you are repeating yourself. Can you recall if you have had your dinner yet ?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the residents of Junin would gladly form a “Free Association Agreement” with any country that could provide basic levels of security for its citizens.
The next day the British forces leave the islands, invade again. So forget to be an independent country. That will never happen.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think the UK will ever give the islands independency? That will never happen. The Falklanders may vote on to what extent they classify themselves as Brits, but independency will never be on the agenda. Of course the Brits will blame Argentina for threatening to invade the islands should the Brits leave. With that argument, almost all nations around the globe should set up a garrison around the UK, should they ever choose to invade again.
85 and 86 - you have just answered each others points. Next!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you consider Puerto Rico to be Independent?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@84
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would bet you that they don't. Your self-inflated view of yourself is appalling.
Independence will be on the agenda about 30 seconds after the Falkland Islanders ask for it and just has you were powerless to do anything about this referendum, you will be powerless to do anything about Independence. Really frightens you though doesn't it? Wonder if it has anything with other nations recognising it and membership of the UN.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As soon as Pierto Rico costs USA more than it benefits, I'm sure you will see an independence movement in the USA for the Ticos cause. By then it might get hard to get rid of the burden though.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 089. The mayor of Junin is screaming and begging for help, neighbors are rioting and burning everything in their path.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justicia Justicia
Don't people get sick of that chant?
I know I do
Rgs are like monkeys with a gun
CFK's hissy fit came when she was told that she would NOT be keynote speaker at the funeral, so she up sticks and left with haughty disdain for the mulatto corpse!!!!!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, the question was:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you consider PR Independent?
It is a simple yes or no, you can add a why if you want. It may prove to be interesting.
Simon, you have anything against mulatos?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I smell a hint of racism in that post of yours.
Justicia Justia
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The natives are restless
I can hear the drums from here
@92
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The crime rate in Junin is lower than in all Latin American nations, and lower than in many American cities/states. It is just a political maneuver, just like all riots are in Argentina including 2001.
97. Yes conspiracies abound in weak minds
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justicia Justicia
Burn Burn Burn
@98
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you get sick of the chant of protests, but don't get sick of bloodied 6 year olds and teenagers lying dead on the ground all over your country?
What a wonderful moral code.
I have no idea what are you talking about, I am in my middle ages and have never even seen violence on my streets.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We get upset if there is a piece of paper blowing around much less bodies strewn everywhere.
I did see the Police find a finger in the train station in ZNorte when I lived there.
filthy violent place
INTROLL
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy didn't witness it, which means it didn't happen. It's just media around the world miscrediting the USA with nonsense about random school shootings.
@89 - coming from someone whose style is “pompously indignant”, and so self-important that they have to announce a change in posting name, I take that as a compliment. btw, I said “any country”, but heh, lets not be pedantic.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will go further though, and I bet that in matters of economics and security, any Argentine would gladly swap their situation with their equivalent in the UK. The villa residents would gladly swap their cardboard boxes for a run down council estate in a UK city (just think of the benefits!), and so on all the way up the food chain....
102. CFK said it wsa sign of great properity that the Villas are over 4 stories high now. It's too bad the sewage runs into the streets tho
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd think that would be a sign of poverty
Maybe she only looks up
Do you think she has ever been to a Villa
I have seen it from the highways it is a nasty nasty way to live
right in the heart of BA too
You'd think after 10 yrs of so called prosperity they wouldn't have raw sewage running in the streets? Is this the 1700s?
99 _INTROLLREGNVM_
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we are back to decoy tactics again, nothing to say today huh? So we have to mention murder rates in the USA....... WOW!! Like we all didn't know it was happening...
And speaking of things that happen but no one wants to talk about, are you having a nice 25% inflation in Argentina?
How is the murder / robbery rate in Argentina is it true what KFC says and that there is hardly any crime at all?
And those supermarkets, still well stocked with ( affordable ) food are they?
How is that Dollar squeeze coming along?
104. Oh yeah I forgot about the U$ squeeze, thanks for reminding me.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He couldn't ever really say how or who would be doing the squeezing.
It isn't his fault really, they teach an economics class with a book from the former Soviet Union extolling the greatness of a central planned economy. I think their History books stopped somewhere in the 50s when they still had some nazi gold left and they thought they were rich.
I think I laughed all day...U$ squeeze
idiot
They are not a smart people
93 Simon68
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon!!! Good to hear from you again!! It's been too long........
Great post by the way, Is that why KFC came home before the funeral? And we thought it was because she had something “Special” ( that word again ) Lined up for the Falklands referendum.....
Didn't know she was actually running away from something.
@68 Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK was more like Argentina or Venezuela, George Galloway would be President - but it isn't, so he isn't. He's a one man party protest vote. As for Bradford West, he couldn't even remember the name of the constituency after he won the by-election. He might be good for a laugh on Question Time but the leotard / cat milk incident remains the single most disturbing thing I have ever watched a politician do. I suggest you YouTube it - good luck keeping your dinner down.
104
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is INTROLL talking about school shootings more a decoy tactic than yankeeboy talking about Junin? It's a perfectly valid answer to yankeeboys question and at worst as decoying.
Stevie, I know you are reading these posts since you are all riled-up
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't you answer if you think Puerto Rico is Independent?
INTROLLREGNVM/Stevie
Mar 11th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy tourists in Mar del Plata
http://www.clarin.com/inseguridad/Mataron-turista-recorria-Argentina-motorhome_0_880712094.html
@64 Raul
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do you have to be told that UNGA resolution 2065 is invalid? Argentina invalidated it on 2 April 1982.
It is dead, defunct, extinct, no more.
By breaching the UNGA resolutions, Argentina ensured that the UK doesn't have to take any notice of them anymore.
Face it, in 1982, your military dictatorship threw aside peace in favour of war.
You lost that war. I repeat. Argentina LOST the war. Argentina LOST the right to discuss the Falklands with the British. Argentina LOST any credibility.
Face it, you've lost.
Does that enter your thick skull at all? That Argentina LOST. LOST. The LOSER. Didn't win. Came LAST. LOST.
You cannot resurrect a UN resolution after you are the guilty party that has broken it.
And guess what? The world has watched true democracy in action over the past few days. They see that the Falkland Islanders do exist, and that they do have rights, and that they can make decisions for themselves. That's self-determination.
I wonder why you Argentines are so afraid of the concepts of freedom and democracy?
Quite simply if the Falklands got independence they would ask the UK to defend the islands for them. The UK would say yes. End of story.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since no one has pointed this out, the UN generally applies the 'saltwater rule' with regards the matter of territorial integrity, and that is why we are lumbered with so much ethnic violence in African countries that are based on little more than historic European imperial administration areas, instead of breaking them up into real countries based on peoples.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In case the Argentine cranks on here had not noticed:
Bradford is in the middle of England
The Falkland Islands have hundreds of miles of sea between them and the nearest country.
Quite how the US got away with ripping Kosovo from Serbia, I don't know, but while that would weaken an English arguement against a fantasy breakaway Bradford, it make the Falklanders will absolutely airtight in international politics against any nonsense Argentina could come up with (not that it is not already-hence Argentina having to rewrite its arguement).
...along with Diego Garcia and the Isle of Wight, Bradford is another nonsense point.
@64
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands”
OK let's consider the interests.
Under the UK, the islands are defended from any external threat (not just Argentina) better than the Argentines could with their forces.
Anyone could invade a Falklands defended by Argentina.
Therefore the islanders are more secure under UK defences so it is in their interests to remain British as the UK can provide a better level of security against invasion.
At present the islanders have access to a standard of education in the UK that cannot possibly be matched by Argentina.
Therefore it is in the Islanders interests to be British as they provide a higher level of education.
Argentina's airlines cannot compete with Lan Chile as this is the best airline in South America. the Falkland Islanders status allows them to choose lan Chile, whereas under Argentina it's unsafe airliners would be used instead (ie of less quality than Lan Chile).
This would clearly be against the islanders interests.
However much Argentina might indicate otherwise, it is sheer fantasy to suggest that Argentina is currently a superior country to the UK, financially, defence-wise, legally with equal rights legislation etc.
It cannot therefore be in the islanders interests to be associated with a country that is inferior to the UK.
Also, Argentina refuses to even talk with the islanders, driving them further and further from any faint desire to be involved with Argentina.
It is clear to anyone with the slightest intelligence., that refusing to talk to the very people they wish to colonise (even under the false pretext of being made a province of land that was not Argentinian till the 1880s, ie the first islanders were born in the 1830s), is CLEARLY against the INTERESTS of the Falkland Islanders.
The UN resolutions DO NOT STATE that the interests of Argentina have to be taken into account but the interests of the Islanders. And as such Argentina has no case.
(107) Redrow
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't totally made it in my “Turnip Lizt” yet......
That's why I will engage, this time....
You say...:
“The leotard / cat milk incident remains the single most disturbing thing I have ever watched a politician do.”
I say...:
My dear lad..... You haven't seen much in your life ;.... have you?
From the top of my head I could mention Hiroshima…., Saigon…, Baghdad...
But you have the “Leotard / Cat Milk Incident”.......
I “Think” ~20 British turnips link to that “Leotard / Cat Milk Incident” video everytime Mr. Galloway is mentioned in these pages.....
I much prefer this one....Watch and learn how a Real Brit puts some Turnips into place....:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
After watching it, I nearly wish I was a Scot.....
'Malvinas: strong language against the country in consultation - Stanley. - There were hundreds of flags of the United Kingdom in the streets and a wide array of British electoral cotillion in bars, hotels and homes . Everything was experienced as a real party in this city and in other towns in the interior of the Falkland Islands. Not too many words are needed to complete the postcard: gestures and messages were very clear....'
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562022-tapa-malvinas-fuertes-mensajes-contra-la-argentina-en-el-referendum
'“How long can live isolated island continent?”
Ambassador Alicia Castro said that the inhabitants of Malvinas “suits them” negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom...'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562022-tapa-malvinas-fuertes-mensajes-contra-la-argentina-en-el-referendum
'“In 1982, Argentina lost the war the military, diplomatic lose today,” say the islanders - On Twitter, people raised their tone Malvinas anti-Argentine in the second day of the referendum...'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562022-tapa-malvinas-fuertes-mensajes-contra-la-argentina-en-el-referendum
'All set in Malvinas to celebrate the victory of the “Yes” - There will be a party in the grounds of the Anglican Cathedral, across the bay from the capital. At 18 referendum polls close, but most already voted...'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562022-tapa-malvinas-fuertes-mensajes-contra-la-argentina-en-el-referendum
'Counting underway in Falklands referendum as Britain prepares to use 'Yes' result as diplomatic propaganda'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562022-tapa-malvinas-fuertes-mensajes-contra-la-argentina-en-el-referendum
Another pathetic posting from Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real Brit puts some Turnips into place....:
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says mr think
After watching it, I nearly wish I was a Scot.....
Says mr think,
Tell us Mr Think,
Was Mr Blair a Scotsman?
And was not half his cabinet.
A rather anti British again,
But you are correct, the Iraq war was wrong,
But it does make us any worse than Argentina,
And it does not make CFKS claims anymore better does it.
Just a thought,
.
I don't think free association is the right thing. Long-term, the two options on the table should be either independence or joining the Union. The latter I feel is more feasible, as the Falklands population is unlikely to have a particularly high growth rate. Joining the Union would be great for the Falklanders as they would gain the benefits of full British citizenship, and it would be great for us as we'd get a share of their oil profits. More importantly however, it would guarantee their safety from Argentina and shut the Argies up. Why? Because such a measure would be put to them in a referendum and they would vote on it. If it passed it would have full legitimacy and they would no longer be a colony in any way. They would have representation in Parliament and be a full part of the British state. Independence might be feasible in 100 years or so once the population has had a chance to grow a bit. Until then, I think they would really benefit from being a full part of the Union.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@115
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And much as we might admire George's bolshie chutzpah, if not his stratospheric embarassment threshold, let us not forget his Peronist level standards of veracity.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzWNXEtwHUc
@64/111
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1965 Argentina raised the existence of its sovereignty dispute with Britain at the UN as required by the UN Charter, whereby the UN GA simply notes the existence of a dispute by Argentina with the UK. The UN GA invites both countries to negotiate a peaceful solution which bears in mind these three things:
a. The provisions and objectives of the UN Charter (legally binding)
b. Resolution 1514
c. the Interests of the population
So often it is deceitfully claimed by the Argentines & their co-conspirators that only the interests of the Falkland Islanders need be respected, not their wishes, but their wishes MUST be respected because any negotiated solution MUST bear in mind the provisions & objectives of the UN Charter & Resolution 1514
These peaceful negotiations were begun between Argentina & Great Britain ; a framework was agreed but the negotiations were famously terminated by Argentina in 1982, because it refused to accept the validity of a, b or c & wrongly argued they did not apply to the Falkland Islanders. Argentina committed an overt act of war by illegally invading the Falkland Islands & then proceeded to subjugate the Falkland Islanders against their will to Argentine rule contrary to legally binding UN Security Council resolution 502. In the face of Argentine refusal to withdraw peacefully under UN Charter Article 51 the British invoked their right to self-defense & British defense forces successfully liberated the Falkland Islanders from their Argentine oppressors within 74 days
This is why the Argentine assertions that this consultative referendum on March 10/11th 2013 is invalid are nonsense; rather free determination the political status OF the Falkland Islanders BY the Falkland Islanders FOR the Falkland Islanders has always been guaranteed by both the UN Charter & Resolution 1514. This is explicitly stated in Resolution 2065 & implicitly in all other subsequent resolutions that refer to resolution 2065
Shame on Argentina!
@(107) Redrow
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@115 Thinkedover
“You haven't totally made it in my “Turnip Lizt” yet......
That's why I will engage, this time....”
My gosh, Redrow!! - you are so privileged, an audience with “His Incontinence”!!
Make the most of it - so sparingly meted out - what an honour, what a pompous ass!!!
:-D
119 BritishguyfromLondon
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0In part you say,
-Joining the Union would be great for the Falklanders as they would gain the benefits of full British citizenship
Now this is of course up to the islanders,
But something else they would gain,
And that would be protection against future British governments/politicians who may not think as they do today, and would stop them trying to agree them of to any future argentine government,
A point well worth making.
.
He was taken to the Malvinas Argentinas the Professor Emeritus of the University of London and “he has studied the NU for 50 years” ........ and did not find the back!! And you know why? Because he do not want!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0This reminds me of the “poor” Sir Lawrence Freedman, the more “capo” UK professor, to “make” Official History of the Falklands. Completion of this work: the weakness of British claims over the Malvinas Argentinas Islands ...
@119 Brit Guy From London
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't think free association is the right thing. Long-term, the two options on the table should be either independence or joining the Union. The latter I feel is more feasible, as the Falklands population is unlikely to have a particularly high growth rate. Joining the Union would be great for the Falklanders as they would gain the benefits of full British citizenship, and it would be great for us as we'd get a share of their oil profits.”
Sorry, “Brit Guy”, you sound a lot like another persona, 'from Dover' who is adamant about integrating the Falklands into the “Union” though nobody calls it that, and wanting a share of the oil revenues.
The interesting thing is that he is actually a troll for the Argentinians - what an odd parallel line of thought.
It ain't over before the fat lady sings.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0She just finished singing at 1 513 to 3.
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@119 It's been a while since I posted on this website, but you were definitely here last time I did. If you had read any of my previous comments you would know that I'm am not another doveoverdover, I'm simply trying to think of long term options that will not involve Argentina for the Falklands and hopefully get the Argentines off their backs. I like to call it the Union personally. If you want some kind of proof, I go to a school called Brighton College, and I've just finished listening to a talk about the Falklands War by our CCF Sergeant Major Mr Tighe. He fought in 1982. If you want proof of this, follow these two links,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.brightoncollege.org.uk/college/general-information/staff/
and
http://www.brightoncollege.org.uk/college/general-information/staff/
For the google images result he's on the very top left. In the first link he's not actually in the picture of the staff, but his name is listed if you scroll down.
Ready to believe me yet? I'm not an Argentine, I'm British, and I just want the Falklands to do whatever it is they want. I was just making the point that if they were to become a full part of the United Kingdom (there, just for you...) it would be mutually beneficial to both parties.
The venerable Professor Peter Willetts, surprisingly, starts from the wrong premise. He believes and writes that all the colonies, which are covered under Resolutions 1514 &1541, are entitled to self-determination. For some reason, unclear to the writer, he overlooks the one UN resolution which applies directly to the Falkland Islands, and which makes these islands a special case. That is Resolution 2065 (XX) Question of the Falkland Islands (Dec.1965), in which the Falkland Islanders are referred to as a “population”. This is an all-important classification, because it distinguishes them from a “people” and denies, them the right of self-determination.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129 Devolverislas
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This is an all-important classification, because it distinguishes them from a “people” and denies, them the right of self-determination.”
Interesting. A 1965 resolution, so something that is now just shy of 50 years old, called them a population.
Two questions:
1/ How long does it take for someone to become a “people”? Please use examples, especially from the multitude of countries that didnt exist in 1965.
2/ What is the UN definition of “a people”. This would be interesting as we could then compare this criteria against the Islanders.
So many new people on this forum this week, hard to get replies to even the most basic of questions!
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