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“The Falklands: a vote with no purpose”, says Ambassador Alicia Castro

Monday, March 11th 2013 - 18:35 UTC
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The following opinion column from Argentine ambassador Alicia Castro in UK was published Monday in The Guardian. Read full article

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  • Pirate Love

    She wishes :)

    SELF-DETERMINATION.......Matters!

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Alicia Castro - an ambassador with no purpose! LMFAO

    They're really worried aren't they?

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    'Britain is alone in the world' = bollocks.

    Globally only two newspapers have expressed any support for Argentina... both Chinese... both parroting the Chinese government line.... nothing surprising there seeing the Chinese stance re Tibet, Taiwan, and the entire South China and Eastern Seas where their claims only stop at the high water line of other sovereign states.

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/World+News/Latin+America/South+America/Argentina

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cogitator

    Civic involvement and not only fading nostalgia is the service that Falkland culture pays to Britishness; national culture proximately empowered on firm ground and not just remotely caressed in dreams. Britishness is to independent British communitarian behaviour not just a weak descriptive label: it is a strong prescriptive pattern. Britishness is instantiated in the Islanders, who “receive” a part of their existence as a cultural identity “zealous” enough to constitute a nationality and to involve politics directly…

    www.falklandophilia.com

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    The african countries supported dialogue, not sovereignty, nowhere in their declaration did they say they did. Lying old bag.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lampy

    “We want to make it clear that we are wholly and unconditionally committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants of the Malvinas, as we do with the 250,000 British descendants living in mainland Argentina. They are British, but the territory where they live belongs to Argentina.”

    If the British descendants living in Argentina are British does that mean that the Spanish descendants are Spanish ? Likewise with the Italians ?

    Is this an admission that Argentinians are colonialists ?

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    LM Hairy Blond AO at that stupidity !!

    She really is stupid to issue something like that.

    ''a Royal Navy warship took by force the Islands 180 years ago''

    Google HMS Clio. And USS Lexington just before. 1831.

    Ginger minge moron. Love it.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Castro says “We are a community and a market of 600 million people with some of the world's fastest growing economies, while much of Europe is in economic stagnation”

    Is this woman living in the real world

    Argenbtina rampant inflation somewhere around 25%-30%

    Argentina being dragged through American courts by bondholders for none payment

    Argentina with price controls on food due to rampant inflation

    Argentina a country that could still default again.

    Brazil does not mean Argentina Mrs Castro and while we are at it put this in your dyed headed pipe and smoke it

    Prof. Willets added that the UN’s repeated calls for negotiations between Britain and Argentina do not imply any support for Argentina’s sovereignty claim.

    AMEN

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    I wouldn't say the referendum has served no purpose. It has clearly demonstrated the depth of Argentina's commitment to democracy and human rights. About as deep as Alicia Castro's intellect.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Cestrian

    “...unlike other cases of decolonisation, it was never called for nor supervised by the United Nations”.

    what the hell does that mean? The UN doe snot have to give the ok for anyone to have a referendum.

    anyway the results will be out soon and it'll be good to know that the whole thing will be resolved once and for all. Thank goodness for that.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    @HansNiesund It says it all that Argentina sends such an AIR HEAD to London,surely Argentina must have some seasoned diplomats at it's disposal this woman is a fool she still sounds as though she's at 40.000 feet

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steve-33-uk

    He many times can she say the same thing in a slightly different way, I'm sick of reading her rubbish, heard it all before, it's boring, in fact she's boring and stupid. And I still can't believe the Queen actually shook her hand, it makes me cringe.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • nigelpwsmith

    More lies from Castro. The african states did not back the Argentine claim, they backed talks.

    Argentina was offered talks at the empty chair meeting, but refused them.

    None of the UN resolutions are binding and Argentina's invasion of 1982 cancelled the process that began with the first resolution.

    The UN has recognised the Islander's rights to Self Determination and twice dismissed Argentina's attempts to deny these rights in the General Assembly.

    Britain did not take the Falklands by force in 1833. They peacefully asked the United Provinces garrison to leave, which they did under protest.

    The British were re-asserting our sovereignty over the Islands. They were never Argentine territory. The Argentine Republic did not exist as a state until 1853 or in it's present form until 1862, so it could never claim ownership of Islands that were British since 1690.

    This referendum was organised by Falkland Islanders for Falkland Islanders to decide if they want their land to remain a British Overseas Territory. That's quite different from saying that it was organised by the British and for the British, as the British citizens in the UK did not take part. This referendum was solely for the Islanders to make their wishes known to the world and the United Nations.

    As others have pointed out, the Commonwealth countries support the British position on the Falklands. They recognise that the Falkland Islands of today is quite different to the one of 1982, because they have been given autonomy, their own government and only rely on the UK for the provision of defence and foreign relations. Some day they may be an independent country and then the United Nations will back the Falkland Islanders rights to exist as a state.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    They have to cling to what they can, all they gave is their gripes and nothing else, I swear that the main players in Argentina are starting to show signs if mental illness. Saying the same things over and over again to no avail is leading to anxiety and stress, you can see it in their faces. Well perhaps not Cristina as its mostly plastic.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    What 'the ginger' should learn is that if you hold true to your beliefs then people respect you for it. If you go around forking on everyone then they don't. The rhetoric that has been coming out of Argentina over the past few years about the denying the islanders very existence will have taken root as an understanding of their true nature. These seeds will flourish into weeds ...

    ... they don't see it yet.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    Ambassador Alicia Castro, a woman with THE PERFECT face for radio.

    “We want to make it clear that we are wholly and unconditionally committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants of the Malvinas”

    Yeah, yeah, yeah...... We know.

    We know and, more importantly the Islanders know all about how the Argentines are “committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants of the Malvinas”

    We all remember the 1982 invasion... that was the last time you showed just how you were “committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants”

    Remember? Like locking the entire population of Goose Green up in the town hall???

    Like ransacking the resident's houses???

    Like Tying a man up and holding a gun to his head because he “might” have been in posession of a radio??

    We have all heard the stories and seen the reports sent back from the Falklands........so thatnks but no thanks ok?

    Soddy offy.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monkeymagic

    I think there is a typo...

    Unresolved since 1832 since an Argentine warship “took by force” the islands before murdering its captain and raping his wife....only to be removed peacefully just 2 months later...

    That's better...!

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @17:
    You got that right. Its an abomination what happened.

    Thank god for HMS Clio, and Onslow.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    “A vote with no purpose.”

    Could be worse, like being a person with no purpose Alicia.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    That lady IS crazy-Latin Europe is in stagnation (you know, Brazil and Argentina's greatest investors, but Northern Europe is doing G.R.E.A.T. I mean Switzerland has eliminated poverty. Norway is filthy riche.
    And Brazil just pulled 4k jobs (plus subcontractors and suppliers) from Arg today.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Shed-time

    Alicia 'Trolly Dolly' Castro seems to be the personification of 'ignorant bliss'... as her ignorance concerning some very basic facts seems absolute.

    I would say she should be ashamed, however, I doubt she is cognitively capable.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Desperate words from a woman who is not qualified for the position she holds,no wonder Aerolines Argentines went bancrupt and had to be nationalised.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    It's funny because its so desperate and pathetic.

    They can call it whatever they like but they can't change the impact it has on the event nor can they in any way affect the outcome.

    Its akin to someone turning up and telling everyone they own your house when they have no legal rights to it nor have they ever lived there. They refuse to take you to court as they know they have no case but they will keep going in the misguided belief telling enough people will somehow change the facts that they have no legal or moral right to something they've already attempted to steal.

    It would be funny if it were not so pathetic.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britninja

    She's a hilarious embarrassment. I wonder if she wakes up in the middle of the night knowing she's hopelessly out of her depth and wishing she could just go back to asking: “Do you want chicken or beef?”

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Nail, head, hammer!
    23 & 24.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Take a read of this blog by an Argentine living in London about Alicia Castro-it's far from flattering

    http://www.loveartnotpeople.com/2013/02/an-embarrassing-ambassador-alicia.html#!/2013/02/an-embarrassing-ambassador-alicia.html

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • honoria

    I think the problem is that Alicia has been glued to the TV coverage of the Referendum but does not recognise it as democracy in action. It's the lack of baton wielding riot police, tear gas grenades and howling ski masked mobs, as she is used to at home.

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Ambassador Alicia Castro
    Does this make your purpose in life any more better,
    You lie and deceit all the time,

    You should abandon Britain and go home
    Hypercrit

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I never thought so much fun could be had from a lamebrained outfit such as The Dark Country and its so called government.

    Now I know what that old Black Country saying means 'Mad as a bag of spanners'.

    LOLs

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #24 I thought her old job was asking:.........“for 15 minutes or 30?”

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    I bet she's not ginger all over

    Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    Excellent note of Ambassador Alicia Castro!

    The British inhabitants of the Falklands undoubtedly enjoy civil and political rights, but they have the right to decide the dispute.
    We stress that we are fully and unconditionally committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants of the Falklands, as we do with the 250,000 descendants of Britons living in continental Argentina. They are British, but the country is living in Argentina.

    As always bet Argentina to dialogue and nonviolence. UK to violence, intimidation and colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century. Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845).

    The UK has to realize that the world has changed. Throughout Latin America there are well established democratic governments that act in unison. We are a community and a market of 600 million people with some of the fastest growing economies in the world, while most of Europe is in economic stagnation. Just not in the interest of Britain to be seen as intransigent, and alienated from the economic bloc increasingly powerful and dynamic.

    World public opinion is turning increasingly Argentina.Eel for isolation of the UK is becoming increasingly apparent. They can not be British in Argentine territory.

    Questions and answers about Falkland

    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-215564-2013-03-11.html

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ==We stress that we are fully and unconditionally committed to respecting the identity and way of life of the inhabitants of the Falklands==
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    That’s why you have spent the last decades abusing, intimidating, insulting them,
    Blockading and telling abhorrent lies about them, and trying desperately to destroy them.

    If this is argentina respecting the Falklands,
    Then thank you god for democracy and Great Britain...

    CFK is a disgrace to mankind and the rights of free peoples.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    32 Raul

    You must be very naive to believe the trolley dolly wrote that article

    I loved the reference
    “Man Friday” is the derogatory name of Robinson Crusoe Aboriginal servant”

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    @Raul, We did not reward the Germans after world war2 we most certainly will never be rewarding a bunch of decendents of European immigrants after what happened in 1982 either,may I suggest you write to your dear lady Cristina Kirchner and ask her to send a more seasoned diplomat to London as the x flight attendent old aged pensioner is way out of her deph all she does is create a lot of titilation every time she opens her mouth.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    “a vote with no purpose”

    Why, then, is she so obsessed with the referendum, spending hours blabbering about it.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “ They can not be British in Argentine territory.”

    Raul, I guess we are lucky that the islands are not Argentine territory.

    Next pathetic argument!

    Now serving argument 73.... will argument 73 please come to the counter.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    32 Raul

    Wow!! Ambassador Alicia Castro is playing with the fairies.... and if you believe that sh*te she ( and you ) are spouting, then you are a bigger idiot that I've given you credit for.

    “As always bet Argentina to dialogue and nonviolence. UK to violence, intimidation and colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century”

    When??

    I don't ever remember any UK violence. I do remember the 1982 invasion though, when the Argentine forces invaded, sew unmapped mine fields, put grenades in the desks of school children and ran sacked the homes of the islanders.

    I remember that, where were you while all this was going on?

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Huntsman Extraordinaire

    @ KFCs personal shopper on Oxford Street (Castro)

    It will always be a vote with a purpose. It doesn't really matter who the hell in the world recognises it or likes it or hates it, etc. It matters to both the Falkland Islands and Great Britain. It is Great Britain who owns the islands, it is Great Britain who chooses to allow the Falklanders to determine their futures and it is Great Britain and ONLY Great Britain who have the power to release this nation from its sovereignty SHOULD it choose.

    However Great Britain IS a CIVILIZED country and as such WILL release the islands ONLY when the Falklanders want them to be!

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @32 Raul
    In the 21st century, Britain has broke no UN resolutions, nor did it do so in the 20th century. No Raul, you and Castro really must get your facts right instead of spouting lies. Ban Ki Moon himself spelt out that we were not resolution breakers, want to argue the toss with him do you?

    The article is wrong, Britain did not take the islands by force in 1833; a polite note requesting the departure of the argentine forces was handed to the argentine leader on the islands. Only Argentine garrison forces left, together with anyone else who requested it. If you don't believe, check Argentine historical records for yourself. The only force levelled against 'pseudo Argentine' colony (french businessman Louis Vernet) was that of the Americans destroying military fixtures in 1811, when Vernet's people impounded american sealing vessels.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • hjarta

    Can't you Argentinians understand, you have no claim on the Falklands. Also you were defeated in 1982 and definitley have no further claim so I suggest that you run off with your tail between your legs and stop stirring up trouble. If you attempt to take these islands again your country will be more of a laughing stock than it already is

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @32 Poor Raul. Short of money are you? I reckon that if they pay 50 pesos for an election vote, they can't be paying much more than 10 for a few words on here. But let's look at what you parrot this time. I particularly like this bit that I have copied from your comment: “The British inhabitants of the Falklands undoubtedly enjoy civil and political rights, but they have the right to decide the dispute.” That's very good. I like that. Then you parrot a bit from the article. Your ability to parrot is not very good. Then you tell some outright lies. Argieland has NOT suffered four British invasions. Have you forgotten when your colony started its claim to independence? Wasn't it 1810? Didn't your little colony make its declaration of independence in 1816? So we can say goodbye to the first two. And where did the British “invasion” of 1833 take place? Oh, I remember. Some Islands that had been British since 1765. Yes, they were British. Even mighty Spain had to admit that. As it did in 1770/71. You can say goodbye to the fatuous claim that you “inherited” the Islands from Spain. Spain never had sovereignty. Another one gone. That leaves 1845. Do you have details of the British landings? No? Not surprised. There weren't any. Your “dictator of the day” tried to interfere with trade. A blockade, a fight, a “reprisal”, but not an invasion. Let's tell the rest. Britain is not being “intransigent”. Britain stands for the right. For freedom. For democracy. For the rights of free men and women. We reject the quasi-democracies (dictatorships) of South America. We reject their lies. We reject their bullying and attempted intimidation. There will be NO negotiations. NO “talks”. NO retreat. And THAT is why all your “governments” are scared. That's why they, and you, cry and whine. And lie!

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Surely one of the main points of the referendum is that it has now given the Islanders a chance to voice their opinion on the world's stage. Up until now, it has been Argentina trawling the world with their version of events which MUST be taken as Gospel.
    Pretending that the people on the Islands have no rights except those that they may initially grant, and then gradually erode as the years pass by. Most of the world, to be frank, were not interested in this dispute.
    Now it has become international news and another side of the story is being told. The people of the Falklands have now been given a voice !

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • atk357

    I believe to give credit when due. As much I dislike CFK and company....Castro made a point. Whether we like it or not the Falkland Islands sit on the Argentinean continental plate.....and digging resources without asking....in my view, is provoking Argentina. On the other hand why Argentina cancelled all the fishing agreements that were in place before CFK?
    From the neutral view (USA), Argentina got the diplomacy all wrong for their pusposes, they screwed it up. The British, won the advertising and promoting campaign backed by their determination and miliary resolute.
    Argentina needs to realise that the islanders are not going away and any future policy must include them, if they want to improve their relations around the world!

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    44 atk357

    I also believe in giving credit where it is due and in this case it rests with geological scientists, not some lying harridan who ia also an Ambassador (LMAO here) of The Dark Country.

    There is no such thing as the 'Argentinean continental plate' or the 'Falklands plate' or the 'Uruguayan plate'.

    The WHOLE of South America, right over to the African coast sits on The South American Plate.

    See the link and educate yourself without the lies this time.

    http://www.learner.org/interactives/dynamicearth/plate.html

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    you argies will claim anything, as long as you get what is not yours,

    its theft pure and simple.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • atk357

    #45, Chris I just made a geography comment. Relax mate! I was born in the USA and educated in UK, ....by the way a “continental plate is not the same as a continental shelf”, it pays to read the whole book and not just the first page, so you know.
    Best wishes to the Falkland People! Cheers

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    @ 44 atk357

    “Whether we like it or not the Falkland Islands sit on the Argentinean continental plate”

    As pointed out in #45 it is the South American Plate, Argentina doesn't own it.

    As regards continental shelves, in contemporary international law an island far removed from the mainland has its own continental shelf. This applies to the Falkland Islands.

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    47 atk357

    Please point out in my post of 45 where I referred to the 'Continental Shelf'?

    It is continental plate, as shown in the interactive example (not a book).

    Where did you come up with the term continental shelf? Was that in place of 'continental crust'?

    Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    44 atk357

    International law's view of claims based on proximity

    Under the Palmas decision, three important rules for resolving island territorial disputes were decided:
    Firstly, title based on contiguity has no standing in international law.

    The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...
    By Roberto C. Laver

    p.74

    International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Ok all you Brits and Falklanders. I put this petition up on the White House website. I need 100k signature for them to pick it up, I suggest you sign it.

    petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/support-our-longtime-alliy-united-kingdom-their-position-over-falkland-islands-and-not-argentina/yXQ3C5xd

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    the link is not working

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/support-our-longtime-alliy-united-kingdom-their-position-over-falkland-islands-and-not-argentina/yXQ3C5xd

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    53
    thanks

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Spread it around as much as you can Briton. It does not become searchable until 150 names. There are American's that care about our allies, just not the socialists like Obama. The best thing he ever did was to get Kerry out of my state.

    Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ha ha, thanks
    will do..

    Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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