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Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British
Despite frequent snow showers and zero temperatures, the celebratory party had already started on Arch Green in the centre of Port Stanley as the result of the Falklands’ referendum was a foregone conclusion, but the loud cheer that went up from the assembled gathering could be heard all over the town as the news filtered through that only 3 persons had voted against the Falklands remaining a self-governing dependent territory of Great Britain. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHey Chrissy!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 03!
That's THREE people voted no.
And even those 3 may have wanted independence over Argentina.
3! Just in case you missed it.
Now where's my UN definition of self determination? I know I had it here somewhere.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I don't understand the fuzz. 2000 Brits wants to stay Brots. Fair enough. And the islands will stay Argentine.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0When your only argument is that your opponent has no right to be heard, you have lost.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you suck.
Well thats the issue sorted once and for all. Argentina of course never had a claim and it now ends once and for all.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time for the UN Decolonisation committee to now remove the Islands from their jurisdiction. Its not tenable when 99.8% vote to stay a BOT in a free and fair election for the UN to have anymore to do with this issue.
Up yours Galtieri!
@2 Stevie
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You live in a fantasy world mate, grow up and start dealing with reality. I could say I own the noon till I'm plastic in the face, does it mean I own the moon?
Never were Argentinian RGtard.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 05
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can say many things indeed, that wont get you no islands. The Falklanders may choose to be Brits, one day they may even choose independency. But one thing is for sure, those islands will never be British. They can be occupied by Britain for as long as their military supremacy and economy allows them to, but they will never ever BE British. Enjoy the moon.
Oh, Oh I can't get enough of these stories today!!!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey!! KFC!!! you mad, plastic b*tch!! Where are your Islands now?? where are they??
You will NEVER get get your hands on them!!! NEVER!!!!
I thought that, being Spanish, Argentines were supposed to be Catholic??
well, what does the bible tell you?
Thou shall not steal?????
and
Thou shall not covert thy neighbours oxen
You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves!!!
2 Stevie
I see your point........ but you're still full of sh*t................
Stevie
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the land is Argentinians why don't you prove it at the International Court of Justice?
No? I wonder why? Is it because you claim, like you are full of sh!t?
7
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You can say many things indeed, that wont get you no islands.”
Open your eyes deadbeat. We've GOT the islands already.
@7
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can say that about any country, what does Argentina have at their disposal that can alter the situation in anyway. Don't bank on our military supremacy changing anytime soon, we have the most devastating tools at our disposal currently than we have ever had, plus two brand new massive aircraft carriers on the way. You just have to put one foot wrong. In the meantime the oil will start flowing and Islands will remain very very British.
Now tell the Argentinian scumbags to go and stick it up their Junta ... oh, they just did tell them :-)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 010 Joe Bloggs
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morning Joe!!!!
Isn't it just a lovely day today?? It's one of those days that makes you feel glad to be alive isn't it??
Alive and FREE and BRITISH?????? Hope the Bloggs family weren't up too late last night and that all your hangovers are small ones!!!
Great result Joe, Great result!!!!!
@4 I' m prepared to wager a months index linked pension that it it isn't sorted once and for all.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe we will hear argentine complaints for the rest of our natural life, and our future descendents will also hear people complaining that Las Malvinas sons Argentinas.
But I don't think anybody cares, and that's the important part.
Cue another avalanche of crass Argentinian hypocrisy in which they will cite endless meaningless Committee of 24 votes - none of which in any case support Argentinian sovereignty and simply call for the negotiations which Argentina has itself repeatedly refused to enter without wholly unreasonable preconditions - whilst wilfully ignoring the overwhelming 2008 UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming the unwavering principle that self-determination applies to ALL peoples (yes, even Falkland Islanders), irrespective of whether there is a territorial dispute.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As far as the Argentinians are concerned, your right.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 DoD
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well that won't be much considering how much La Campora pay you, will it?
But this referendum wasn't for Argentina. It was to show the rest of the world that the Islanders exist, that they have a voice and that they have the right to determine their own future.
Your not big on freedom and self-determination are you DoD? You believe that the Islanders should live under the jackboot of the fascist Peronists.
But is won't ever happen.
Still you can console yourself by posting sh!te and deliberately 'misinterpreting' the constitution of the Islands, and the UN resolutions and all those other things that you like doing.
But the Islanders will remain a British Overseas Territory until THEY decide that they don't want to be anymore. But that certainly won't make them Argentinian.
By the way, are you going to be posting under DoD today, or Think?
If you don't live in the Falklands you don't know how it feels. All outsiders friemdy or not can do is argue or endorse over the Islanders heads. It's Real, not some childlike occupation to vent spleens.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16 Vuggevise,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also Chagos lslanders will get an airing even though its been done to death many times here.
The British Empire will probably get a mention or three, too.
@Think,
Good morn alte(no capital letter for you!).
Great party, you should have been there.
Thank God for coffee.
14 Doveoverdover
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0It sure is as far as the Falkland Islanders, the UK and the UN are concerned.
As the rest of the world is NOT dancing to Argentina's tune then the matter IS settled once and for all. Oh I have no doubt that your government will whine and complain and b*tch to who ever will listen for now and forever more but that won't change a thing.
Soddy offy
“Self-Determination for the British Citizens with Falkland Island Status” they will cry as they man the barricades of the C24 in Jun. Try to imagine Les Miserables in a wolly hat
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 020 lsolde
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0From your state this morning it sounds like there was enough merry making done to last the rest of the year!!
I can't say it enough this morning “What a great result for the Falklands!!!”
Great result!!!
And not a squeak from the mad bitch of argentina.... not a squeak.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Thicko seems to have tripped out on overload.....
Global coverage..... and only two chinese websites give any credence to the RG claim... so much for global support...
FREE, FAIR & DEMOCRATIC RESULT!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Falklands you have always had a voice now the world hears.
Cue.....argentinas iminent appauling rejection of democracy and disregard for the Falklands islanders interests......Too late :))))
SELF-DETERMINATION.......Always the winner, thank you argentina we couldnt have dont it without you :))
Balls to you Argentina.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A true example of Think's maturity ! - @23 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 013 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Morning my friend. All is good here. We didn't have a late night. More of a quite time to reflect and feel satisfied that we made our message about as strongly as it could be made. Thanks for all of your sincere support over the year or so that I've been on Mercopress.
23
You still whining about that? You're the biggest name caller on here but you don't like being called names yourself. “Sticks and stones” old man. If that doesn't help, “try glass houses.”
Where's your sense of humour old man? You keep telling me I don't have one and now you laugh at being called a name after calling us all names for years and using the terribly racist description of “brownies” to describe or St Helenian and South American residents and friends.
Lemon, Lime and Bitters anyone?
Chuckle chuckle
(14) & (22) Mr. McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you info……
Our people did contact their people….
Seems that CANADEM was indeed involved in the organizatory phase of the ”Referendum”…..
They couldn’t comment straight away about the lack of info on their webpage.... They said, they will revert ASAP.
They couldn’t comment straight away about the sources of finance either.... They said they will revert ASAP.
(16) Kære Vuggevise
You say…:
”2008 UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming the unwavering principle that self-determination applies to ALL peoples (yes, even Falkland Islanders)”
I say…:
That’s just your subjective interpretation.
The ”Falkland Islanders” are not a *”People”*
The ”British Falkland Islanders” are an integral part of the ”British People”.
The ”British Falkland Islanders” have just voted 98,8% for it, didn’t you hear?
They right of Self-Determination applies to the ”British Falkland Islanders”….................. in Britain.
30
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0LMFAO
In your little message to yourself (I mean the great commander):
“Our people did contact their people...”
In control of the situation huh?
Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle.
Here is another one for the Argentinian ectoplasmic jellies to feast on:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Charter of the United Nations explicitly declares that “All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”
Yet, in a flagrant disregard of very principles of UN General Assembly Resolution 1514, under which the Committee of 24 was founded, Argentina is currently imposing an economic blockade on the Falkland Islands and thus seeking to deny the Falkland Islanders their right to determine their own political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. Remember that the next time you try to soi transparently misrepresent Committee of 24 votes, you clueless, snivelling and uneducated bunch of fascist toadies.
Subjective interpretation, really, you care to point out where in the UN charter I could find a reference to that?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if you are so desperate that you think it is a subjective interpretation - when in fact it is a very explicit statement that leaves no room for doubt – then that just shows you up as one of the aforementioned clueless, snivelling and uneducated fascist toadies.
The very fact that the UN General Assembly voted resoundingly against Argentina’s attempt to have that resolution reworded in support of its pig-ignorant and crassly hypocritical stance on the issue of the Falkland Islands, is clear proof of how wrong and utterly deluded you are.
Now stick that up your retarded Neanderthal blow-hole.
(35) Vuggevise
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once more for our resident Norwegian Mountain Troll
The ”British Falkland Islanders” are NOT a distinct ”People”.
They are ”British”.
Capisce?
@30 I wouldn't be too surprised to find CANDEM admitting to providing the Canadian monitors but I will be surprised if they admit to sourcing and funding the two former employees of IRI to lead their team.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would also say that the next Referendum after we Scots say NO to independence should be to ask the British People if they wish to incorporate their overseas possession into the United Kingdom and renegotiate the relationship with Europe (us being a global power and all). No hard feelings, JB, Falkland Islanders would be allowed to vote but you might find the % overwhelming.
36
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Based on what definition of “a people” do you draw that conclusion old man? Yours?
@36 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't make any difference what they are, you retarded colonial implant. They still have the right to self-determination .. and they aren't in any case all of British descent - and have mostly been in the the Falklands for longer than your family have been in South America - so there goes that vacuous argument.
37
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You go and work on that. I'm sure a man with your influence can easily make that happen. Just like you were going to change the wording of the referendum question. It'll probably give some of the other civil service departments, that you no doubt bore the shit out of with pointless and meaningless requests, a break. I can just picture your wife while you spend countless hours glued to the internet looking up public accounts figures and executive council minutes, etc. She must be so pleased with the way your marriage has turned out.
@36 I draw my inspiration from the 2008 Constitution, I don't know where yours comes from. You know the one I mean, the one that describes the highly unified multicultural electorate as British Citizens with Falkland Island status.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42 You can stop now. I'm sure anyone who has a grain of human understanding will recognise that westisbest had been celebrating with substances.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations to the Falkland Islanders on the vote. Fantastic result for freedom and democracy. Good luck to the Washington delegation, let's hope the 'land of the free' shows a bit of solidarity. My many American friends have all been watching the referendum with interest and they agree that their governments response so far has been pitiful. But, as we all realise, its the people that count.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best wishes from Blighty
(43) Mr. McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's hard to stop!
Editor and I have kind of a................. “Special Relationship” ;-)
Think's habitual trolling not going down too well? :p
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a lame excuse for your childish spamming behaviour.
You could have just used the “Report abuse”
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should ask your Chuckle brother chum to explain how “British” is an umbrella term which encompasses a number of distinct “peoples”.
Consequently, the Falklanders can be British, living in a BOT, and just as much a people as the Scots and Welsh are.
(47) agent999
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0REPORT ABUSE ?
That function is disabled for us “Dagos””
Haven't you noticed?
I haven't read any Argentine or other comments as they are now, completely and totally, irrelevant.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only voice that matters has spoken: the Islanders.
end.of.
Editor and I have kind of a................. “Special Relationship” ;-)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@45 Think
New verb: Falk - to destroy arguments by a clear expression of collective will, especially in relation to admirers of Franco, Hitler , Mussolini, Stalin, Castro, Chavez and Peron
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been well and truly Falked!
Well done Falklanders!
Think says…:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0The ”Falkland Islanders” are not a *”People”*
The ”British Falkland Islanders” are an integral part of the ”British People”.
The ”British Falkland Islanders” have just voted 98,8% for it, didn’t you hear?
They right of Self-Determination applies to the ”British Falkland Islanders”….................. in Britain.
I say…:
That’s just your subjective interpretation.
( 54) Mr. Lorton
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
“That’s just your subjective interpretation.”
I say...:
And that of the 98,8% of the British Squatting Population of them Malvinas Islands......
Well, he got the population of the Islands bit right.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The population have had their say and it is going to be respected.
@53 - Classic !
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36 - That's not what your most senior diplomat thinks; why did he refuse to meet 3 British people then? It would have been bi-lateral if he thought that: Argentina and Britain discussing the FI's, no other peoples present ...
@40 I'll discuss it with her when she comes back from Waitrose in the Disco. See what she thinks. Meanwhile, back to multitasking my active investment portfolio (on behalf of my family trust and Sr Think).
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@55 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think that 98,8% of the Falkland Islanders are of British descent, then that just goes to show how utterly clueless you are and that you are just spouting banal and fascist Argentinian government propaganda.
Think/DOD - how is Scotland? Think it will vote for Independence - Think again, not what Thinking Scots are saying.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have been Falked too.
I wonder how many online personalities Think will use today :)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0In case Think and his sock-puppets missed it:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 099.8% of the Falklands Islanders just told you to foxtrot-oscar and to take your sock-puppet accounts with you.
Great News, and now the Falklands can be armed with facts that can be trumpeted around the TRUE democratic FREE world.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION......youve cant help but love it!!!!
Trolls.....jog on!
(58) Mr. McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh yeahhh....
Our share(d) 92p babies....
Let's see how much they have grown in the last year....
Oooooops..... 23p!..... Ain't them supposed to crawl the other way?
Anyhow...
Plenty of time for them to grow...
First oil in 2017....................... Doooohhhhhh....
(59) Vuggevise
You say...:
“If you think that 98,8% of the Falkland Islanders are of British descent”
I say....:
Who mentioned “Descent”?
Certainly not me!
Don't try semantic trickery on me, lad...
You are just a Norwegian, remember...
Kend din plads ;-)
What Scotland will do is an irrelevance. The fact that Scotland gets a choice is highly relevant and shows that the UK respects their right to self-determination .. just as they respected Northern Ireland's right - following independence and against British government advice - to self-determination, cede from the newly founded Irish Free State and rejoin the United Kingdom.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a novelty!. And they want to impress? It's as if the French organize a referendum to ask whether they want to remain French and then show it to Argentina as a “clear message” How ridiculous are these pkupas!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 066
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is Argentina trying to take control of France also?
Change of tactic needed.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cue oil share prices, that always goes down well. Like a lead brick!
The people have spoken in a language all freedom loving people understand.
The others can ignore it, please do, it only strengthens the reasons for the referenda and the effectiveness of the result.
Very impressed by the way the possible alter egos posted at the same minute at #41 and #42.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that Sr Think is trying to establish himself as a separate individual from Dover; someone who is trying invective as well as his more usual reasoned argument.
It is reasonable to say that Argentina, Think and his various noms de plume have all been well and truely falked.
TFI ... strategically well played!
@64 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what language you imagine it is that you keep using, but if that is supposed to be either Danish or Norwegian - it certainly isn't Swedish - then your grasp of Scandinavian languages is even worse that your appallingly poor grasp of English (and that is saying something).
@66 José Malvinero
Following your banal logic, the people of Argentina shouldn't have any say in electing the government of Argentina .. and nor should residents of individual Argentinian states have a say in electing their own regional representatives. Talk about deluded blowhard logic.
Even more hilarious is that fact that, following your own logic, the opinion of the Argentinan government is wholly irrelevant, because it is dictated by its own fascist agenda and self-interest :p
@69 Or could it be we are actually two different people? Which is, of course, what we are.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@71 Doveoverdover
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0No you couldn't and no you aren't. Next stupid rhetorical question?
58
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! Your wife is as keen on Waitrose as Mrs Bloggs is. Or maybe even more keen. I mean I can't see Mrs Bloggs driving 13 miles to get to one. Dover to Hythe, just for those high quality brands.
No, whenever we're in the UK Mrs Bloggs uses their online ordering site. Why sometimes she even places the order before we leave the Falklands. I keep telling her that one day we're going to be delayed and it'll all go wrong but she likes to be able to fill the fridge and cupboards within minutes of us arriving. One time we literally followed that clever little van up the street in our car.
As some seem to have missed it, here is a paragraph from the above report.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Several Argentine Nationals who live on the Islands had indicated that they too would vote 'YES' for the Islands to remain British, pinpointing the unstable Argentine Government as one of their reasons and because they enjoy a high standard of living and fantastic education opportunities for their children as another reason.''
WHAT??? Argentines not wanting to cling to the teat of Christina?
:)
58 Doveoverdover
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0that will be the store near the legion then
@66
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ask the Spanish if they want to remain Spanish in 1814 and they chose to be United Provinces
Ask the British if the want to remain British in 1776 and they chose to become American
the clear message Jose Malvinero is that the very thing that makes you what you are...an Argentinian..is because in 1814 your Spanish ancestors chose not to be Spanish anymore..and sent a CLEAR MESSAGE to the World.
in 2013, The Falkland Islanders have done the same.
Very upset that I didn't read Think's post before their removal. After having several of his racist posts removed recently, it would seem it was someone else's turn.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I expect an answer, but perhaps Think would be so kind as to direct everyone to the UN legal definition of a “people”.
Here's a hint..... there isn't one!
But I would be interested in him finding one that supports his current THINKing.
PS: Hey Joe, congrats on a job well done. Time for phase 2!
(71) Mr. McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have a clue why it seems imperative for your Anglo-Saxon connationals to believe that you and I are the same person?
I remember, not so long ago, Isolde, Yankeeboy and others where acusing Mr. Vuggevise (he called himself Mr. Skare at the time) and me of being a “Pantomime Horse” act...
I have also been repeatedly nominated to be Dr. Mike Bingham, Mr. Alex Betts, a non-Argentinean, an expat Argentinean, you name it.....
It really puzzles me.....
@74 Raven
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's worth repeating for the benefit of the blowtards: Several Argentine Nationals who live on the Islands had indicated that they too would vote 'YES' for the Islands to remain British :-)
It is also worth noting that some of those are descendants of the Argentine national who in 1981 acted as a spy and informer for the Argentinian army and who is today openly described by his own children and grandchildren as a “vile man”.
@72 Thank you for providing the next stupid rhetorical question yourself.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@73 Ah, you see, Mrs Bloggs is used to coping with less than full fresh fruit and veg. Mrs D likes to choose her own. Besides, 13 miles of dual A road carriageway and a nice drive down the hill once a week is a small price to play for quality.
Think - do pl;ease explain to me the diffrence in “squatting”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0People who can trace their familes back up to 180 years in an empty land where there were no indigenous peoples to move out and take over their lands.
People who can trace their families back 200 years to a land that was originally occupied by natural indigenous peoples - who were in many cases forced out of their ancestral lands by the early day Colonists, and in other areas simply wiped out and exterminated in a virtual genocidal war.
Please explain the difference?
@80 Doveoverdover
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“dual A road carriageway” PSML!
Categorically not a something that a Brit - nor even anyone with anyone with a degree of fluency in the English language - would ever say.
So busted :-)
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@79. Twould be this “fellow”? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9923806/Granddaughter-of-Argentine-spy-Reynaldo-wants-Falklands-to-remain-British.html
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK. I'm Think.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a an easy one. If you live on a land they do not want, you are classed as indigenous.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you live on a land that they do want, then you are classed as implanted.
To be fair to him though, unlike his government he does allow you some degree of recognition, whereas they do not even classify you as human.
Got to love their ideas though, straight out of the pages of Mein Kampf and they claim not to be Fascist!
@73 & 80
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find a suitable compromise - is to take ones Waitrose bags whilst shopping at Aldi.
http://metro.co.uk/2011/01/25/aldi-beats-big-four-supermarkets-in-which-customer-satisfaction-survey-633149/
80
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you're right about the fresh choice. We do find that a bit of a bother here at present. That will all change though. Mind you, I do like to get out into my veggie beds in my Benny hat.
She must be a brave soul to make the drive in the weather you've had there overnight though. I guess she looks forward to getting out of the house with you there. Besides, the Disco will make easy work of it. I can see her now with her jute bags sending a clear message about the environment as she steps out of her Discovery... Oops!
Thank you Think you are nothing if not predictable in your simplicity.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0See you are avoiding the question that was actually directed at you. Stick your guns mate.
Ozzie...... PMSL Has anyone seen an pink ostrich? Think is looking for it.
Noooooooo
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0(85) Chucky is lying !!!!
Dont believe him!!!!!
I can't controll him anymore...... :-)))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvYODLRKrUY
@84 GFace
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that would be the despicable quisling whose only family think he is beneath contempt.
Anyone want to tell THINK what squatters rights are in his supposed homeland?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0When do they get full title after the have been living on the property?
Think, Do you know how long?
89 Anlgotino
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pink Ostrich? I prefer a little head on a stick. LOL! You know what I mean. I hope!
I'm a little worried about Mrs DoD. I'm streaming BBC 5 Live at present and they just reported a closed road in Dover due to the terrible weather conditions. I didn't catch which one it was though. That Waitrose shop must be the highlight of her life each week. Poor thing.
DICKIE KNEE!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only a true English speaker would get the meaning of that. I have one sometimes after Lacrosse!
LOL!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have a tape of an episode in which he asked Kylie Minogue live in the studio what she would say to a little head on a stick. I nearly wet myself. She went so red and almost glanced up at the voice over guy who does the Dickie's voice. She laughed though.
You play Lacrosse? Or are you just pulling my leg? LOL?
@91, he chose and he chose fascism for a little coin -- perhaps a fatal blow to the head, likely if so, from his own “people” knowing what turncoats like him do when the wind shifts.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Joe
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I used to love that show. And you clearly can't pretend to know that info from Google so I'm sure there's a few Malvinistas who will be scratching their heads saying “Hey Hey what's going on here”.
Yes have just taken up Lacrosse at Uni. Though this record breaking heatwave means I missed practice this week and hence no dickie knee. If you can believe it, it's 11pm and still 30C and probably won't drop below 25C tonight. We have had TEN DAYS of this. My poor Border Collie. Even my Colombian flatmate is complaining.
PS: I met Kylie and I'm not tall at 6'1 but she is TINY!
PPS: Congrats congrats congrats. It's like troll mayhem on here today.
Strange how all Thinks alter egos arrive at the same time and then leave again at the same time :-)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK. I'm Vuggevise....
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“Reynaldo Reid was raised in Rio Gallegos in Patagonia and set up home in the islands in 1960, acquiring a farm at Bluff Cove.”“”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0according to the CFK Malvos propaganda there are NO Argentines who have ever been allowed to settle in the falklands ... not even any of their descendants.. so how is this possible?
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“”“”“”Strange how all Thinks alter egos arrive at the same time and then leave again at the same time :-)“”“
Its ”stranger” still how that since it was pointed out that Think & DoD have a certian pattern of posting they've made a MASSIVE effort to change that pattern of posting...
none of which will ever work as all regulars no very well that DoverOverDover is a sock-puppet account who made up his history of being British and got caught out lying on a number of occasions.
oh dear, how very Argentine that is eh...?
@99 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad thing is that you are so mentally deranged that probably think you are .. just as you probably think you can write Danish (or whatever language you delude yourself it is that your keep trying to address me in).
Think - just answer the question please!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kylie Minogue. Australias finest export and greatest ambassador.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to hear about the heatwave, spent most of yesterday, shovelling bloody coal into the burner and that is with the central heating going. Snows gone but people down South got caught out, stranded on the motorway etc. Good news is that no fatalities.
I have heard Lacrosse is meant to be a dangerous game? native American isn't it? At school I once helped make up the numbers for a hockey game against the girls, big! big! big! mistake, stuck to rugby after that, much safer and less painful!
LOL!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is about as big a finger as the Falklanders can give to KFC, without buying SS20. The pro-argies on the Islands are hardly even a rounding error.
“”“”Think - just answer the question please!“””
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She never answers.. she just obfuscates, thats her job after all.... derail, hide, side-track... but never face questions head-on and answer them.
DoD
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Mrs Dod home yet? I'm really worried. 5 Live just reported that the most snow-affected part of the UK is currently Kent. Why did she decide to go off this morning of all mornings?
Anglotino
We were introduced to the show when we had a long-term stay with dear friends in the 90s. We loved it so much that they dutifully sent us tapes of it and a couple of other shows for about 2 years afterwards. I can't think of what other shows they sent us; I'd have to get one of the boxes down out of the loft. They also gave us a tape of The Castle which I must have watched at least 20 times since.
Since Think likes to call the Falklanders squatters even under ARG law they would have received title under adverse possession 150+ yrs ago.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I am sure he knows this already.
Ps Anglotino
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to hear you're sweltering still. I hope a cold change comes soon.
Keep whining all you sad and pathetic Malvinista Trolls...all for nothing....Falklands para siempre. Viva Las Islas Falklands.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hadn't you noticed, they are !!
@103 reality check
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe I might dream of snow now. If I can finally get to sleep.
@ Joe
Weekend is supposedly 22C. Also, is it just me or is there a bit of a shift in DoD's demeanour in the last few days?
“”“”Also, is it just me or is there a bit of a shift in DoD's demeanour in the last few days?“”“”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its called 'desperation'.
Today´s news in BsAs:-
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 year old rugbier chased down & murdered by delinquents after stopping for gas at a service station
17 year old girl murdered in Junin whilst working at a kiosk provoking riots & torching of the police station
Another younster killed whilst leaving a ´Boliche´in the early hours of the morning ....... almost a weekly occurrence
Government has to introduce National Guard to protect train stations because they have become too unsafe to travel (& because the Provincial & Federal police are too corrupt to do their jobs)
Teacher´s strikes, protests closing General Paz highway & 9 de Julio Ave., & the usual noise, pollution, crime & corruption
Meanwhile a peaceful island population have voted overwhelmingly to remain British & not Argentinian ........ hmmmmmm......... I wonder why???
Think,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you enjoy the article in today's Politiken poking fun at Argentina and CFK? It comes to something when even Denmark's main Social Liberal broadsheet smells the blood and turns on the saggy old whore from La Plata ... just as they turned on Chavez the other day and declared that he was evil personnified :p
From UK: “The message is loud and clear”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clear message from Argentina: The kelpers him right to Argentina:
Unfortunately for them have been self-deluded Kelpers:
The islanders have confessed that they are British. That's what Argentina has always said are part of the country with which we have a conflict. They can be the ones who decide which of the two countries is right. Would judge and jury.
We can not speak of 1-1-1. Now Like the UN: the islanders are British. “They are an integral part of the country with which we have the problem” The only possible negotiation is 1-1.
They locked themselves ahan.
See the following link:
http://www.clarin.com/politica/kelpers-dieron-razon-Argentina_0_881311891.html
Suprised we haven't got an article reporting riots in BA and some stroppy speech from TMBOA yet...
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(81) Islander1
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have answered that question several times to diverse Kelpers....
Mr. Joe Bloggs, Ms. Isolde Ms. Monty96, Mr. Westisbest and some others have all, somehow, acknowledged receipt of that answer (Westy with some four letter words as usual ;-)
I have answered that question directly to you too, Mr Islander1.
You never had the deference to accuse receipt.
Just to refresh your memory........:
It has something to do with you, British Kelpers, total allegiance to the South-Atlantic colonial ambitions of Great Britain, a Northern Hemisphere Nuclear Power.
Your pathetic brainwashed attempts to whitewash the “Most Bloody British Empire” pointing fingers at other Evil Empires is pathetic.
I can assure you that brainwashed revisionist British people like you are not precisely an asset for Britain at the UN, the CELAC, the AU, the ASEAN and so many other “irrelevant” organizations where “brownies” are a majority.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
@115 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we have that again, in English, please?
@115 - Timerman refused to meet them because they were Falkland Islanders, so 1-1-1 in your speak. Will he meet them now then if its 1-1 ? Is that what you are saying ?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No chance, if you want dialogue, you will have to include the Falkland Islanders in it. As for the sovereignty issue? I think you just got your answer, like it or not like, there it is, for all to see.
Not going well Think ??
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still 10 moves ???
Oh dear - the people of the Falkland Islands have spoken. And the squatters in Argentina have little choice but to listen :-)
10 moves my ars*!
@117 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being brainwashed South American fascists doesn't seem to do anyone much good in most of those organisations either, does it?
Has the UN General Assembly ever supported Argentinian sovereignty?
Has the C24 ever voted to support Argentinian sovereignty?
Has the UN ever demanded that sovereignty of the Falklands be up for negotiation?
Has the C24 ever demanded that sovereignty of the Falklands be up for negotiation?
Has the UN Security Council ever attempted to censure Britain over the Falkland Islands?
A resounding 'NO' to all of those. The only thing they have called for is negotiations - negotiations which Argentina repeatedly refuses to be a part of .. because they have zero respect for international law, show a total disregard for several fundamental principles of the UN and, because they keep chasing their own mangy tails over whether the inhabitants are Falkland Islanders or British :-)
(122) Mr. Lorton
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mate in 9 moves.....
555 news sources in the spanish language press alone !
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems the referendum hit its mark!
Hardly fair of course - Argentina being such a diplomatic tiddler.
So come the C24 meeting later this year - what will be thrown in Argentina's face?? And every year after??
Nicely done :-)
Oh & I forgot to mention football hooliganism which is totally out of control & sponsored by ´futbol para todos´ which is a complete propoganda machine for CFK
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - Argentina isn't even on the board :-)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But hey ...... dream on !
Islander1
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think has answered this before in fairness. To re-cap what he skirted around above:
It's acceptable for European settlers to move half way around the world, murder the inhabitants of the land they take over and then settle. As long as they then call themselves South Americans rather than European, all is okay,
On the other hand, us dirty Kelpers murdered nobody, removed nobody and took up our islands. We choose to remain British though and that is simply evil.
Is that correct Think?
My poor trans-Andean cousins:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't understand the islands are not yours and the people that inhabit them are not Argies....DUMB.
You want the islands so badly but do the complete opposite of what needs to be done to achieve that aim....DUMBER
Think has been wrong on every prediction since this board has existed.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing new
It must be infuriating though
Me being right on every issue
Anyone want to be shortly after the elections there is a massive devaluation of the peso?
Anyone? Anyone?
Number of “no” votes: 3
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That figure won me a cheeky £50 :)
130
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My prediction is similar to Think's but subtly different.
Think says:
On the board predicting Mate in 9 moves.
I say:
I am predicting bored in 9 moves mate.
(129) Condorito
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Permit me to ask you a question....
What is your opinion about the BILATERAL issue of the United Kingdom of Great Britain claiming the whole of the Chilean Antarctic Sector?
Keep Argentina out of it, hermanito....
Concentrate just on Chile and the UK.......
119 Vuggevise
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 115 Raul
Can we have that again, in English, please?
Kindly translate the website yourself with any universal translator.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/kelpers-dieron-razon-Argentina_0_881311891.html
I recommend: translate.google.com
thanks
129 Condorito
Please answer a 133 Think
What is your opinion on the matter of bilateral United Kingdom of Great Britain claims the entire Chilean Antarctic Sector?
Thank you.
@133 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain doesn't claim the whole of the Chilean sector of the Antarctic.
Chile claims PART of the pre-existing internationally agreed British sector, along with part of the sector claimed by Argentina (which is wholly contained within the British sector). Do try to get your facts right, you propagandist truth-torturing propagandist moron.
Britain and Chile have also agreed to cooperative in those areas and not to blow the issue out of all proportion and threaten, intimidate and impose sanctions. The same can't be said for Argentina's handling of their own claims in Antarctica.
The United Kingdom and Chile have an excellent relationship much to the dismay of Argentina.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think / Raul:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vuggevise has partly answered for me.
My nationality doesn't mean I must ignore history. The British claimed “their” part of the Antarctic before we did. The part we claim lies within the part they claim.
We both have claims with different merits. They were there first, mapped it explored it, set up bases and continue to do much globally useful research. We arrived later, we have set up bases, we are the closest county to the continent. There is not dispute because we have both signed up to the Antarctic treaty which freezes all claims on the continent.
I have said before on this board that I don't like the way successive Chilean governments have mislead the population to believe that the Antarctic is our. From school age it is taught that it is part of our territory and the nightly weather forecast features it too. This is wrong and only stokes future problems.
Does that answer your questions?
@134 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't asking for the article to be translated. I am perfectly capable of reading it without the help of Google .. I was asking for the incoherent illiterate drivel in your post to be reposted in coherent English.
Also good to see that you are so uneducated that you immediately jump on the bandwagon and blindly repeat Think's demonstrable false assertions about Chile's claim in Antarctica. The joys of being a sockpuppet, eh? LOL
And since both your incarnations are clearly too stupid to read maps, here is a Russian source showing quite clearly how utterly deluded and factually incorrect the claims of both your alter egos are in regards to Antarctica: http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20120220/171360463.html .. or, if you prefer, Wikipedia: http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20120220/171360463.html
TWIMC
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mrs DoD is back from the shops with the best that John Lewis can provide.
She thanks all those who asked after her safety but respectfully reminds them all that, having spent what seemed a lifetime in the Falkland Islands, regularly driving her County 90 up and down the MPA Road and out to the Argentinian Cemetery and, sometimes, the lodge at Blue Beach and back, she knows a thing or two about treacherous roads. Added to that a Discovery 4, even without Winter treads and the help of the Road Gang, is more than a match for Kent's roads today. As long as you avoid the tailbacks at the tunnel you won't get bored or checkmated either.
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Several Argentine Nationals who live on the Islands had indicated that they too would vote 'YES' for the Islands to remain British, pinpointing the unstable Argentine Government as one of their reasons and because they enjoy a high standard of living and fantastic education opportunities for their children as another reason.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NO FURTHER COMMENT REQUIRED!
“”“”“”“”“”Several Argentine Nationals who live on the Islands had indicated that they too would vote 'YES' for the Islands to remain British, pinpointing the unstable Argentine Government as one of their reasons and because they enjoy a high standard of living and fantastic education opportunities for their children as another reason.“”“”“”“”“””
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
Piny - you have been Falked!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0140 Piny ENGLISH 1500 decision, says nothing. Listen to the millions of people worldwide. The Malvinas are and will ARGENTINAS.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piss off numpty, if we listened to 65 million British people Argentina would have been nuked long long ago along with all you nutcases. When will you get it into your thick heads that its not what other people want but what those 1500 people who have a right of self determination , THE 1500 people have spoken and thats the end of the matter you have lost, no need for any whining of please talk to us. Any move now anything at all will now be regarded by the entire world as Argentina belligerence. No get lost.
@Piny
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be a cretin if you conflate English and British. And just for the record, the Falklands Islands will never be a part of the Argentine cesspit.
THE TRUE CLEAR MESSAGGE.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand the moment of great popular happyness that the population from the islands must be going through. In fact, they could celebrate yesterday what they have always wished. They could have their referendum finally, with the purpose of expressing their wish of remaining under british government.
However, beyond that popular happyness, there are objetive facts that we can't ignore, if we want to make a serious analysis of such a complicated cause like this one.
That so wished referendum wasn't supervised by the u. n., it was just supervised by sixty representants from different nations, which is absoluty irrelevant, and doesn't change the politic status of this conflict in absolut.
The fact that such an important decision of making a referendum in the inslands, in order to determine the politic status of the territory, is not surpervised by the u. n., is the true important messagge that the islanders, and the u. k's govt. should take into account, in order to solve this dispute. Beside, both should remember the words of the president from the decolonization committee, who said last week that self determination is not applicable for this case.
On the other hand, the govt. from the islands, the u. k., the sepoys who we live in the mainland, and those argentines who live in the islands, who love being pro imperalist, should understand once and for all that the u. k. is not the owner of the international right, so, if the u. n. call arg. and the u. k. to resume the negotiations, in order to find a solution for this conflict, it should be respected by both nations, beyond the positive and negative aspects that arg. has, like all the rest of the countries around the world, including their so loved u. k.
Maybe those people someday learn to separate the actual context, from the previous contexts.
Accept them or not, self determination has never been applied for this cause by the u. n., as it was for other colonial situations.
(137) Condorito
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that answers my question....
An optimistic and, dare I say it, quite naive wiew of the “Western First World”.....
Which you seem to believe Chile is an “accepted” part of.....
A pragmatic position over the “First Word” indeed..... In stark contrast to your declared and quite bellicose stand in regard to your Argentinean, Peruvian and Bolivian neighbours, I must say.
(139) Mr. McDod
Nice to hear...
Joe was a bit tasteless....., as usual.
“Having spent what seemed a lifetime in the Falkland Islands” huhhhhhh...?
Were you there a whole year, you poor things? ;-)
139
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad she got back safely. Being in a Disco I always knew she'd be okay as long as someone else didn't run into her. Always a worry inthe UK. Blue Beach Lodge huh? It has been a while since you've been here then. It's terrible to see the state that building is in now.
@146 axel arg
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Same old rhetoric.
So have some back.
If Argentinas claim to the Falklands is so sure in your minds, why do you not go to the ICJ?
Why did the Argentine Government not lay claim to them when they signed that piece of paper in 1850?
Who found the Islands? Who laid claim to them first? Who has never relinquished their claim?
@146 axel arg
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, that is where you are wrong, because the United Nations very much dictates that the principle of self-determination applies to such situations ... and I challenge you to cite any reference where the United Nations General Assembly or Security Council have ever voted to say otherwise. Whenever Argentina has attempted to get the United Nations to say otherwise, it has been overwhelmingly rejected.
As for negotiations, it is only Argentina that refuses to enter into negotiations, because it imposes preconditions which neither the United Nations C24, nor the General Assembly or Security Council have imposed in their calls for negotiations to take place. There was a long and constructive dialogue which Argentina unilaterally withdrew from and instead chose bellicose self-defeating sabre rattling.
The fact that the referendum wasn't supervised by the United Nations is wholly irrelevant to all but those who naively swallow CFK perverted propaganda .. propaganda she needs because the Falkland Islands have demonstrated a unity that Argentina can only dream of.
Axel, if you have nothing new to say don't bother. The islanders said it all and Argentina is Falked. Delusions are dangerous as you discovered in 1982. Please ensure further conflict is avoided, and try being nice for once.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long John
In 1843, the Argentine leader Juan Manuel de Rosas, looking for a way to settle a £1 million from 1824 that had been in default for 15 years (yes, they do have a very long history of this default business, don't they?), offered to drop claims to sovereignty of the islands if the British government would take over the debt. Britain refused, arguing that it already possessed them.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that shows just how little interest Argentina actually has in the Falklands.
@140 “La decisión de 1500 INGLESES, no dice nada. Escuchen a los MILLONES de personas en todo el mundo. Las Malvinas son y serán ARGENTINAS.”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Piny - se equivoca enormemente - ¡la nacionalidad “INGLES” no existe! Dejó de existir hace aproximadamente 250 años cuando se formó EL REINO UNIDO. Así que los votantes en nuestras islas Falklands son “FALKLANDERS” CUYA NACIONALIDAD ES BRITANICA. Son iguales a todos aquellos argentinos que aun mantienen dos hasta tres nacionalidades - ¡POR SI ACASO!
That sour faced old puss Alicia Castro has just made a complete tit of herself once again on Sky news. Stating the many UN resolutions & that the UK must abide by international law and engage Argentina immediately and resolve the dispute, hahahahaha what a fool.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The woman on Sky interviewing her asked why they would not talk to the islanders in London, she said it was a matter between the UK & ARG and there are no 3rd parties.......well there is a 3rd party and they have just voted you stupid woman.
146 axel arg
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... Must understand once and for all that the UK is not the owner of international law, so that if the UN call arg. and the United Kingdom to resume negotiations in order to find a solution to this conflict, which must be respected by both nations, beyond the positive and negative aspects that arg. has, like all other countries around the world, including his so loved uk.
Excellent comment. It really is the true message claro.y very strong. The international community and world public opinion can no longer be deceived by colonialism and imperialism in the 21st century English.
Ban Ki-moon said:
“The international community is more than ever convinced that colonialism has no place in the modern world,” said Ban Ki-moon. “The eradication of colonialism, according to the principles of the Charter and the relevant resolutions of the United Nations, is our common endeavor.”
See the following link:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-a-more-inclusive-dialogue-on-decolonization
138 Vuggevis
I really wrong with you. I thought it was a serious person but it is not. I tried to be nice to you and I respond with insults and insults at his lack of arguments. With your reply I realize that you have no education whatsoever. Has the profile of the typical arrogant, racist, colonialist and imperialist English.
I will not argue with you and fall into the baseness of answering with another baseness.
God help him.
@154 jeffski
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given that she is a double-barrelled tit, it would be more remarkable if she didn't come across as the prize clueless tit that she is :-)
She is trying to out-hypocrite that snivelling Assange coward.
@147 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“naive” implies a lack of experience. If we look back at our history we can see that on two occasions our Peruvian/Bolivian brothers have formed secret alliances against us and in much more recent times our primitos Argentinos laid plans to invade our territory. The Brits on the other hand have always been our allies.
Naivety would be for Chile to believe that Argentina has changed its spots and buried its colonial ambition.
“optimistic”
Absolutely. It is hard not to be. Look where we have come from, look where we are. Life is good, the future is bright.
“Which you seem to believe Chile is an “accepted” part of.....”
I have no such delusions. We are a long way from the “first world”.
I am only bellicose towards Bolivia when they insist part of our country belongs to them (a claim which our supportive Argentine brethren endorse).
@155 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When have you ever been nice to anyone? All you do is post endless reams of insulting racist propaganda.
And yet again you try to misrepresent facts when you post Ban Ki-moon's comments as if to imply that they were in some way supportive of Argentina's claims to the Falkland Islands. They weren't.
@139 Thinkedover
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“TWIMC
Mrs DoD is back from the shops with the best that John Lewis can provide.
She thanks all those who asked after her safety but respectfully reminds them all that, having spent what seemed a lifetime in the Falkland Islands, regularly driving her County 90 up and down the MPA Road and out to the Argentinian Cemetery and, sometimes, the lodge at Blue Beach and back, she knows a thing or two about treacherous roads. Added to that a Discovery 4, even without Winter treads and the help of the Road Gang, is more than a match for Kent's roads today. As long as you avoid the tailbacks at the tunnel you won't get bored or checkmated either.”
“Methinks he doth protest too much.”
:-D
(157) Condorito
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will suit you look at your Country's story with less monochromatic spectacles....
From the anals of my Iquiquean family I know that a (big) part of current Chilean territory belonged to Perú and Bolivia.
Me consta.
Fair enough...., there was a War...., you won...., tuff luck for Peru and Bolivia...
But......
A solution for Bolivia's acces to the Pacific will have to be found...., sooner or later.
Your “Primitos Argentinos Uniformados”, graduated from the Escuela de las Americas sad and drank whisky together with my Escuela de las Americas graduated “Hermanitos Chilenos Uniformados” laying the Condor Plan whilst pisssing their pants laughting about us civilians weones that swallowed their staged “War” hoax....
Me consta
Yes, please... Look where you really come from..., look where we are. Life is good...., the future is bright...... Let's keep it this way....
Can't see much work getting done down Falklands way today.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ladies and gents, girls and boys sure know how to party.
Anyway congratulations on an excellent result. The future looks bright, the future looks RED, WHITE AND BLUE.
The issue here is clearly that Argentines, collectively, are so retarded that they honestly believe that the rest of the world exists to hand over things to them just because they 'wants it'.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at these imbeciles axel, raul and think... they honestly believe their reworked history that they never signed the 1850 treaty of perfect friendship, geographical proximity is still a reason to own something, and the 1982 war had no consequences. They honest believe this utter tripe and just repeat the same shameless ignorance relentlessly as if anyone with half an education will sign up to their curious plan to ethnically cleanse some islands due to their inherent racism. The same racism lets them kill their indigenous people who apparently owned the land they live on, and yet refer to other as 'colonial implants'.
Seriously that's the issue... the fact these retards honestly believe someone is going to give them something for free.
It's unfathomable.
157 Condorito (#)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:34 pm
...”I am only bellicose towards Bolivia when they insist part of our country belongs to them (a claim which our supportive Argentine brethren endorse).”
Not all of us!!!!!!!
160 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“monochromatic spectacles....” come on, with 2000 characters we have to abbreviate. Yes a big part of Chile was Peru and Bolivia. A big part of Argentina wasn't Argentina.
“A solution for Bolivia's access to the Pacific will have to be found...., sooner or later.” We already gave them a train, a railway to Arica and duty free access to port. As you well know it is Peru that objects to giving them more.
“their staged “War” hoax....”
It was only hoax because their plan came to a humiliating end after 2 months on the Falklands. In '82 your military kept significant military resources tied up on the Chilean border as part of the “hoax”. If is was a drinking game it cost them your treasured islands.
Why do you downplay the documented intentions of your military in this one arena, yet you so openly hate everything they did?
(163) Simon68
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today, i another thread, you wrote someting “funny” about independence for Neuquen Province and the Neuquino people.......
Condorito is speaking to us Argentineans...
En qué quedamos?
Sós o the hacés?
Simon,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I stand corrected. I should have said:
“claim which the current supportive Argentine government endorse”
Thankfully not all of you follow your Dear Leader on this and many other issues.
(164) Condorito…:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask…:
”Why do you downplay the documented intentions of your military in this one arena, yet you so openly hate everything they did?”
I say:
….why I don’t believe all this “military” bulls*** about Chileans and Argentineans being mortal enemies…?:
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/20/argentina-blockading-the-falklands-with-no-respect-for-islanders-human-rights#comment14879
I hope the above somehow answers your question….
It's funny how it's meant to be the UK and Argentina are meant to have the most severe differences, yet it's the US an Venezuela that are currently kicking out each others diplomats. I would love to see Castro getting her marching orders.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0165 Think (#)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:30 pm
Since when has Neuquén not been Argentina, we're in the same situation as the other 22 Provinces. What I say is that I, personally, support Chile over the Bolivian claim to access to the Pacific.
In the same way that I believe Neuquén should be for the Neuquinos and that our Diputados Nacionales and Senators should NOT be supporting the central Government over such things as the Ley de Medios, democratisization of the Judiciary, theft of YPF, etc.!!!!!!!
By negotiation axel and Raul mean that they want Argentina to end up with more than they have today and the islanders to end up with less.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That doesn't sound like negotiation to me.
However the UN doesn't call for negotiations on sovereignty at all.
It calls for the disagreement to settled peacefully...which ONLY Britain does by maintaining its military defences it is guaranteeing peace in the region as the only aggressors are the Argentines.
Britain offered discussions just last month and Argentina refused.
My “negotiations” would require a complete withdrawal from Patagonia for 100 years and full reparations made to the indigenous that weren't slaughtered by the genocidal Argentines.
After 100 years we could go to the ICJ to see if the 50 or so UP militia and rapists were actually hard done by during their 2 month usurption of the islands.
167 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were not moral enemies then and we are not now, but that would have counted for nothing had your military gone through with its plan. Your Whisky anecdote is cheering, but the reality in 82 was different.
Argentina's attitude to the FI is a constant reminded to the rest of us of your continuing colonial ambition.
155 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“... Must understand once and for all that the UK is not the owner of international law”
LoL's............... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!
And Argentina should be made to realise that it does not either!!! The amount of treaties and “agreements” they have signed and then ignored...
oh yeah and Argentina should be made to realise that no amount of whining and foot stamping is going to carry any wieght in an international court of law.
When the government of Argentina starts behaving like adults then they will get treated like adults..... until then.....Isn't it passed your bedtime?
¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡Adiviné!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 drunks vote NO. We can offer them political assylum. All like Bimgham, Peck, Betts, etc that think different are living here
Falklands brave true nation, just like UK
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arg - Forest Gump nation (only not so intelligent)
Why such stupid? Should wear pointed hat, see brain doctor?
My English not so good, but I see clear, special since referendum
Its been reported that George Galloway MP is calling for joint sovereignty of the Falklands, what an idiot that man is. He is a slime ball of a man and I use the word 'man' with difficulty as he is a traitor and should be shot at the soonest opportunity. He managed to wriggle into a Westminster seat in Bradford, west Yorkshire by arse licking all the muslim voters there in 'Bradistan', he cares little for his own people from the UK and that is why most Brits care little for him or what he has to say, yet here he is, yet again creeping about in oposition just to get some publicity the stupid prick. I hope he gets run over by a Bradford bus driven by an Afgahn driver on the wrong side of the road as that is where he spends most of his political career.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its great too see that this issue is now sorted out once and for all. However I have a concern and that is where the La Campora trolls are going to now get their food parcels from?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@175 George Galloway also said that Argentina had a good economy, Argentina's government was democratic and KFC was beautiful. The dude will say/do anything for a vote.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thing about leftists like this is that you go under the thin veil of 'selling socialism' and you always find a fascist trying to get some more power, just take Tony 'Pretend CofE' Blair and Ed 'Big Mansion' Miliband as examples.
(171) Condorito
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, we were not mortal enemies then and we aren’t now...
But your side is today rearming on a pace and manner out of any regional proportion....
The creation of myths about the ugly Argies/ Peruvians/Bolivians and the closing of your eyes to the incestuous cooperation between our fascist dictatorships during the seventies and the eighties, greatly contributes to that rearmament will in the Chilean People.
Argentina's attitude towards the United Kingdom is no more than a natural reaction to an armed theft committed by the British against Argentina some 180 years ago.....
Or are you also going to tell me that sweet story about that little peaceful Nation of 2,500 shepherds that only wish to live in peace?
axel arg
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are so right and we are so wrong, tell me this: for 200 years the British Falkland Islands were open for immigration. Argentine people could have come here to buy farms, start businesses, get jobs, settle with their families. Their Hispanic culture would have dominated over British society. But they didn't want to come here. Argentines were not interested. You missed your chance. Why should anyone care that you have now changed your mind?
(179) honoria
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My dear lady with the great music taste......
I have noticed that you (and a couple of other Kelpers) have repeatedly mentioned that....: “Argentine people could have come here to buy farms, start businesses, get jobs, settle with their families etc.....
Honoria.... I would recomend you read the Islands history again.....
Until 1983 not even Kelpers could buy land in Malvinas......
All land was the property of the FIC and other Absent Landlords...
And they weren't selling.
And, as you possibly know, until 1983 it was NOTHING else to do in them Islands but raise sheep.
For that you need land....
Besides, Argentineans have always been, officially and unofficially discouraged to immigrate to the Islands.....
I really don't know where that ” for 200 years the British Falkland Islands were open for immigration.”
It's a biiiig porky.
172 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While you insult and laughs, world opinion is against them. Timerman As I said, it's only a matter of time. Meanwhile continue laughing and resting on our laurels ...... When you wake up can be a surprise.
173 malen
Guessed!!!
3 drunks vote NO. We can offer political Assylum. All as Bimgham, Peck, Betts, etc. living here who think differently
You are quite right Malen. According to Clarín left only vote for the name. I smell patriotic fraud. Although I have no doubt test the legitimacy of the referendum. Surely they must have intimidated those who had voted for the NO. All those who think differently as Bimgham, Peck, Betts, etc. the banished. They are a fascist society in miniature.
Mail: Face1354@hotmail.com
179 Honoria
Dear Honoria
With the respect you deserve, you're wrong. Remember the Falklands conflict specificity resides in the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population, civilians and military autoirdades, (some might escape as the Gaucho Rivero) and did not allow their return, thus violating Argentina's territorial integrity.
@181 you're repeating the same easily refutable nonsense over and over. Please be explicit and tell us which non-military personnel were expelled in 1833?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you can't because you're talking nonsense.
The Falklands expulsion myth
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute
Educate yourselves
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1a4j55/falklands_vote_in_favour_of_staying_british_988/
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wake up Argentina the writing is on the Wall. The Islanders desire to remain A British Territory Please Not Territory the one thing that Argentina insists belong to them. The Falklands will now consolidate theirstanding on the world stage because once again we showed the world how true democracy works.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So whats your next move Argentina teh Falklands appear to have taken this political round. The real world now will start to re-read the history books in depth and discover the lies that Argentina has tried to force on them .
Huge congratulations to my fellow country men and women on such an acheivement.
Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't give me that rubbish. It is not acceptable to simply repeat fictitious nonsense. There was no expulsion of an Argentine population because their was no Argentine population. And of the illegal garrison that was sent back, YOUR authorities thought so highly of them that they HUNG seven of them.
181 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it's only a matter of time” You are right my dear Raul, but not in the way that you think.
It is only a matter of time before the rest of Argentina wakes up..... The where will your Timerman be? 40 million people at his gate screaming “Give back what you stole from us!!” Your glorious leader KFC dragged up in front of a “Peoples” court for being a crook.
You're right there, “It's only a matter of time”
@178 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suddenly claiming to be an Argentinian are you? Not so long ago you were adamant that you are a Uruguayan of Swedish extraction. What a turnip!!!!
Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite your excellent taste in music you keep trotting out the same old lies. Plenty of people bought farms, businesses, homes here - how ridiculous to suggest otherwise. And why would we be paranoid about Argentines living here? You have such a strange view of the world.
Think and Raul:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am following this great with great interest. I am an American Living in San Francisco.
I note that many Argentines claim the territory of the Falklands as theirs. However, in your own country there are numerous people who were there before your descendants settled or were implanted.
Don't you think the Maupuhce people have a valid claim that Argentina should be returned to them? After all, it belonged to them before the Spanish arrived.
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/01/07/mapuche-people-cristina-kirchner-return-argentina/
I note, amusingly, from the article:
“”The Argentinian government accuses Britain of 'colonial behavior,' despite the fact that they only landed a few hundred settlers on an uninhabited island.“
”I think the real colonialists are the 40 million Spanish-speaking white people who live on my ancestors' land. We the Mapuche are calling on Argentina to remove its settlers from our land and return them to Europe.“
If Argentina has a claim to the Falklands, don't the Mapuche have a clain to Argentina?
And if you say ”NO”, you should realize how hypocritical that sounds to this American.
(188) Vuggevise
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
Suddenly claiming to be an Argentinian are you? Not so long ago you were adamant that you are a Uruguayan of Swedish extraction.
I say...:
You must be confusing me...: Mr. Think, a 100% Argentinean of Scandinavian extraction.....
With Mr.Guss, an Swedish/Uruguayan, maybe born or maybe raised since early childhood in Sweden by Uruguayan Montonero parents...
Are you still Norwegian Mr.Skare?
I doubt it..... He was quite sharp.
Also, I should point out the article I linked to is from a satire site, just so everyone is clear.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the question still stands...don't the Mapuche have the right to ask Argentina to be handed back over to them?
There are parts of current day Argentina that clearly belong to Chile. I hope Chile understands that they will likely have the British Nations full support if they ever wish to reclaim them.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Dummy!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 IF, I repeat IF, the Islanders ever decide to leave, Britain will be using the Islands as a missile range. Live missiles. Of all types.
@30 Argies are slugs. I have slug pellets.
@66 Nowhere near you, half-breed. Or is it quarter-breed? Who raped who to produce you?
@115 Get lost, dumbass.
@117 Slug pellets.
@133 It's easy, sonny. The British claimed their land in 1908. Chile didn't claim anything until 1940. “Prior right”. But we might speak to Chile. It isn't as thick as argieland.
@134 Shut it!
@140 imbécil!
@146 stupido!
@155 Why don't you read your link, dumbo? Here's an excerpt: “the Special Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories” Notice any reference to third-rate, third-world imperialists with delusions? So piss off!
@173 We'll ask them why they voted “NO”. If appropriate, we'll send you the bodies. Isn't that how you do it?
@181 No. No. And No. So why don't you go to the ICJ? Why don't you come back? Afraid we're going to kill you? (We are.) But then every argie is a bully and a coward. Face facts. In 1982, a British submarine sank ONE ship. The rest ran for home. In 1982, a small contingent of British troops made 11,313 argie cowards surrender. In recent years, argieland has panicked over 1 destroyer, over 1 RAF officer, over missile tests that have been continuous for 30 years. The Tinman has proved his stupidity on several occasions. So send out your shitty “diplomats”. Send out your faggoty, shit-loving “troops”. Let's be clear. I don't care how many argies live and die in misery and poverty. I don't care how many argie “troops” we have to kill. 600, 6,000, 60,000, 600,000, 6 million, it's all the same to me.
Get it, pigbrain? Nothing for argieland in the next 10,000 years. Except blades, bullets, mines, missiles, shells, torpedos. Got any guts? Ready to have them spilt on a Falklands beach? Come get it!
(192) xevioso
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, the atack and expulsion of the Argentinean population of Malvinas has nothing to do with the Indigenous Peoples Issue....
It was a military action of what we could call a “Civilized Christian Nation” against another “Civilized Christian Nation” ....
Secondly, the Mapuche descendants have indeed the right to ask Argentina to hand back their territory over to them?
Your'e from San Francisco, California... you said?
The Muwekma Ohlone,descendants have indeed the right to ask the USA to hand back the San Francisco Bay Area over to them too.
I expect you will contact them ASAP “with great interest” to arrange a devolution.....
http://www.muwekma.org/
CFK it seems does not belive in referendums,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to her, it did not take place, and thus does not exist,
you either vote to be argentine,
or you dont exist,
odd way to run a country,
but she is very odd anyway..
@195 - Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0atack? or do you mean attack? I only point this out because you seem to spend a lot of time pointing this out to others.
Back to the point. Firstly the British have never attacked the Falklands, why do you keep spouting the same old lies?
In 1833 not one shot was fired. No attack. Only mutinous soldiers from the UP (no Argentina back then either) were removed. Again. No attack, no force, they left peacefully.
Regarding the Indigenous population issue. Argentina (and Spain before them) murdered the indigenous populations of South America and stole their land. The Falkland Islanders are the 1st people to settle the Islands, that also makes them indigenous people.
So it is very relevant. Argentina is a hypocrite. Your entire country was founded on murder and colonialism. Your country committed acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against the native peoples. Your country wants to commit acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing against the indigenous people of the Falklands too.
What xevioso was trying to point out was the hypocrisy of the Argentine position. You accuse the British of stealing the Islands and colonising them, yet Argentina stole the land from the natives and colonised that.
You want the Islanders to 'hand back' what you say (erroneously I add) the land that was stolen, yet you won't hand back the land that was stolen from the Native Amerindians.
Hypocrite.
By the way, I notice that the grammar of your post and spelling has changed. Do you have a time share with another La Campora troll, who uses this screen name?
195.Nobody has the right to ask for land back that somebody else has occupied for 100+ yrs!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me the case law on that you f'king buffoon.
@195 Think:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indian territories in the US are effectively nations that can set their own laws.
Tribal sovereignty in the United States refers to the inherent authority of indigenous tribes to govern themselves within the borders of the United States of America. The federal government recognizes tribal nations as “domestic dependent nations” and has established a number of laws attempting to clarify the relationship between the federal, state, and tribal governments. The Constitution and later federal laws grant local sovereignty to tribal nations, yet do not grant full sovereignty equivalent to foreign nations, hence the term “domestic dependent nations”.
You should not be surprised to understand that there are many people in the U.S. who believe we stole Native American land, and that they certainly do have a right to ask for it back. In many cases we have given it back to them. You can visit the Cherokee Nation any time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation
But I noticed you avoided my question by using the arbitrary definition of “Civilized Christian Nation”, some entity that, as far as I am aware, no courts in Argentina or Great Britain or The UN recognize. Did you make that up?
At the end of the day, there is a large group of indigenous people in your country that your ancestors supplanted. Those people would like their land back. Do you support handing Argentina back over to the Indigenous people your ancestors supplanted?
If no, then don't the people who live on the Falkland Islands also have a right to say no to Argentina when it asks the same of them?
Liberty-loving people have made their choices. What are you going to do about it, fascist Argentinian bitches?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How to get what ever you want=
CFK=Knock knock
Owner==Who’s there
Cfk who else,
What do you want?
My countrymen built this house 150 years ago, get out
Owner =What are you saying?
CFK = im saying get out its mine, we own it
And the UN will give it to me
Owner =Why will they,
Because if they don’t I will scream and scream , tell lies and scream until I get it,
Owner= but that illegal and not fair,
CFK= we don’t care, you have no rights you are planted, get out, get out its mine all mine.
Democracy = freedom
Would you give this up for CFK and her rules .
Soddy offy
CFK
Soddy offy and grow up, you are embarrassing your self.
@195
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, I thought we'd established and agreed that there was no Argentine population on the islands in 1833. You told us it was in your “National Archives”.
You said that 59 souls were evicted, 55 of whom had only set foot on the islands for the very first time 2 months earlier.
55 people (many who were not Argentine) for 2 months is NOT a “population” is it Think?
If Captain Bligh had returned and found the Bounty at Pitcairn and ordered the mutineers to return with him to London for court Marshall..would he have been expelling the indigenous/original population of Pitcairn..LOL!!!
Watching Argentinians reject open democracy and pretend they didn't want a war that they were all in the streets cheering about wanting, whilst waving their flags cheering about stealing land, makes me want to puke.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Argentinians are vomitous because of their own nauseating belief system?
(199) xevioso
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I didn't avoid any question.....:
At (192) you clearly asked..:
“Don't the Mapuche have the right to ask Argentina to be handed back over to them?”
At (195) I clearly answered…:
“The Mapuche descendants have indeed the right to ask Argentina to hand back their territory over to them.”
Secondly….., I’ll repeat again…:
The British attack and expulsion of the Argentinean population of Malvinas in 1833 has nothing to do with any Indigenous Peoples Issue....
It was a military action of what we could call a “Big Established & Civilized White Christian Nation” against a “Small Established & Civilized White Christian Nation” ....
Again… Nothing to do with any Indigenous Peoples Issue....
what exuses and reasons does CFK give to claim the other british islands,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0were argentines on them first as well.
This Think is Gump. He no spk English good. Must be Arg. He like snake too
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He deny history. Arg is genociders, evrone no it
@2o5 I think Argentine school-taught history is something like Scientology history where the Argentines led by Peron fell through a time portal flying space ships like B52s over volcanos dropping argentine flags all over the world claiming it as Argentine before flying back to the modern age to resurrect their demi-god Adolf.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just gobsmacking.
@178 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“your side is today rearming on a pace and manner out of any regional proportion....”
That is incorrect. Our defense spending is fairly constant. It was higher under the more hawkish Concertación but the dovish Piñera has reduced the arms budget.
Anyhow, our defense spending is not based on myths about “ugly Argies”. It is based on being able to defend ourselves from our neighbors. History has shown this to be necessary and history has shown us that Argentina cannot be trusted. Cuentas claras conservan la amistad.
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Think!! Stevie, Raul, Doveoverdover!!!!
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
Is it getting though yet???
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
How about now?? I know you can all write in English but can you read it properly?? Can you understand it??
DO. YOU. KNOW. WHAT. THIS. MEANS???
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
It means, that those Islands that you keep saying are yours but arn't really? those ones??? Yeah?? what make believe name do you hang on them? Las Malvines??? Anyway. This means that you are NOT getting them.
You are not getting them tomorrow, you are not getting them next week and guess what? you are not getting them EVER. That's what that means.....ok?
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
I have to KEEP REPEATING IT because I don't think that the “Clear message” is getting through to you all. Everyone else gets it but you guys seem to be a bit “Slow”..... But that's ok, my better half works with retarded Children so I know that repetition usually works to help get the point across. so here we go again:-
“Clear message to Argentina: 99.8% of Falkland Islanders want to stay British”
Is it getting through now?
Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New RNS from FALKLAND OIL AND GAS Company
Contracting a rig for a drilling rig in the FALKLANDS in 2014
You need to buy shares in all the oil companies prospecting in the FALKLANDS. This is going to to be MEGA. PREMIER OIL/ ROCKHOPPER OIL, DESIRE, BORDERS AND SOUTHERN, ARGOS will be drilling in 2014.
you heard it here first. Just giving you the heads up, no hard feelings.Not forgetting the American Company NOBLE who have bought into FALKLAND OIL ANGD GAS. TOODLEPIP
So if she could get away with it,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She would try to conquer the whole world
With the words
Its mine , all mine .
And her immortal bloggers would come on here and actually defend it.
Think, let me rephrase the question:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you believe Argentina should hand its land back over to the Native Amerindians people your ancestors took it from?
Your “Small Civilized White Christian Nation” violently took land from “Many Small Uncivilized Native Amerindian Tribes”. Under what legal justification under any international court of law are you not obligated to hand that land back?
@209 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The message is not going to get through.
It is like those zombie films “Dawn of the Dead”, “Day of the Dead” and so on. There is always a small outpost of human survivors (lets say the Falklands) and hordes of brain-dead zombies that shuffle along muttering “Malvinas nuestras”.
You can imagine them all stumbling towards the Atlantic coast only to get there and stop at the water's edge, staring blankly at the eastern horizon, arms outstretched repeating “Malvinas nuestras” hopelessly and with no idea of how to get there.
And like all good zombie movies, no matter how many get there heads blown off, there are still more brain dead walkers tottering towards that distant shore.
(208) Condorito
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“History has shown us that Argentina cannot be trusted.”
I say...:
What history?
You mean like when that General, José de San Martin invaded Chile?
You mean like when that General, José de San Martin subjugated Chile?
I think I will stop dialoguing with you...
I dislike when seemingly intelligent people lie to me.......
But I feel really bad when seemingly intelligent people lie to themselves.
Have a nice life.
@213 I think you're being mean to unthinking zombies by comparing them to argentines.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@210 Will you please stop giving my (pro bono) client unsolicited financial advice. Thank you.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(212) xevioso
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answering your “rephrased question”:
”Do you believe Argentina should hand its land back over to the Native Amerindians people your ancestors took it from?”
I do believe that any ”Dominant Society”, in this case Argentina, should strive to devolve as much territory and dignity as possible to its Indigenous Populations.
Quite acceptable examples of the above would be the policies implemented by Sweden or Canada.
Much less so are the, mostly failed, policies implemented by the USA.
During the last 30 years of democracy, Argentina has given giant steps in the creation of a wide-ranging Indigenous Peoples Legislation.
The implementation of that quite adequate legislation is though sketchy, at best.
And, to end….
I’ll repeat again…:
The Malvinas Issue Between the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Argentina has NOTHING to do with the Indigenous Issue.
(216) Mr. McDod
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@217 Yes, there were no people on the islands before the british allowed controlled immigration. Whereas the argentinian 'implanted population' as a 'unique colonial situation' was the centre of one of the biggest genocides that the world has ever seen.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're very different indeed.
I've just seen the new brief La Campora are giving their 'operatives'. As follows:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Ze illegal referendum in ze Malvina's by ze British Imperial pig dogs, has failed! Heil Cristina! However, ze British Imperial pig dogs 'ave managed to get some international media to report zat ze pirates 'ave voted against the glorious fatherland. Heil Cristina! Zso all operatives are to bombard Mercopress (backstabbing traitors - not acting like brothers to the fatherland!) with ze usual nonsense...er...'truth'.
Ze quality of ze posts is not important! Ze quantity of ze posts, using your multiple logins, vill show ze world just how much support ze glorious fatherland has over ze Falklands...er...Malvina's. Heil Cristina! Those of you who post more than ze 100 comments supporting ze fatherland, Heil Cristina, will of course be paid double ze usual rate. 2 bottles of ze cheap plonk, and 2 chorizo sandwiches on ze stale bread. Heil Cristina! You must all post quickly as ze glorious fatherland vill have another blackout tonight. Heil Cristina! Zso - to your posts! Heil Cristina.”
;D
@217
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am only trying to help you, but typically you do not understand. Maybe next year Rodders, maybe next year.
No, there is no issue for the UK, they repeatedly state, no talks without the Falkland Islanders and no discussion on sovereignty, without the express wishes of Falkland Islanders. Since 1982, that has consistently been the UK position, no dispute about that.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(220) golfcronie
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All future financial advice must go through my (pro bono) UK Financial Adviser, Mr. McDod.
Thank you.
Aw look, DoD and Think are having a lovefest. Isn't that nice, considering they're the same person (although I do think the 'Think' login is shared by several trolls as he sometimes becomes suddenly unable to spell or write coherent sentences, yet other times picks people up for spelling and typos!).
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@222, McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would have a bet with you that the FALKLANDS GDP will be higher than Argentinas in 3 years but no good betting in U$D as you cannot get hold of them and your country would default anyway.
Amazing how Think gets his nose right up his own Dover arse. Not surprising he talks shit though. As for BK prick best to forget it.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@223 OK - fair cop, I'm guilty but I have to admit I'm Be serious too. For irony and comic relief, you understand.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@220 I was unsurprised to see that the US State Department hasn't changed its stance on our joint colonial struggle as a result of this transparent publicity exercise. I particularly enjoyed the second question at today's Press Conference, even if it only produced a repeat of the pre-scripted answer. It would warm the heart of any ex-IRI observer to see the spokesperson of the State Deparment squirm so.
214 Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not very fair to ask me a question and then not wait for an answer.
You say:
“What history?”
1864: Argentina supported Spain against Chile in the Chincha wars.
1881: Argentina was party to the Peruvian / Bolivian conniving of the 19th century against Chile. Furthermore, once we were embroiled in the war with them Argentina pushed to resolve the issue of disputed Patagonia, knowing full well that Chile would have to cede given we couldn't fight all three at once.
1891: Argentina offers the USA Salta as a base from where to attack Chile.
1978: the Beagle conflict, Argentina claims Chilean territory in disregard of the treaty signed in 1881.
1978: Plan Soberanía
2004: Argentina proposes Chilean territory be given to Bolivia - in disregard of the Pactos de Mayo to which Argentina was a signatory.
Those are just a few instances of when Argentina has been untrustworthy...not lies....and lets not get started on commercial untrustworthiness.
Don't sulk.
Clear Message, you are still pirats...
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can remain british, we are not putting that on the table. you are british since 1982 ( before the war you were something ??)
Stupid referendum you are AND YOU WILL BE BRITISH, we just want the ISLANDS BACK, not you !!!!
CLEAR MESSAGE , ask your son if he wants to be a man.... stupid referendum...
Pirats for ever.
@228
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up son, we were British since 1833 when we liberated the FALKLANDS from the murderers and rapists who were on the FALKLANDS.
Hipolyte
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid referendum eh? Seems to have got you all worked up into a rage doesn't it?
Clear message - Argentina has been well and truly Falked
Now pop off to Mr Timerman and pick up your bananas, there's a good little troll
All I can say is that there must be 3 people in the Falklands who have never actually lived in Argentina, as I am for now unfortunately.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#143/144/145 Si se molestan en contestar es por que saben que no tienen ni tendrán razón jamás, saben que las Malvinas son Argentinas. No vivimos en un pozo negro, tenemos tierras de sobra de manera legitima, en cambio ustedes robaron a lo largo de la historia. GURCAS ASESINOS.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not poor, so I don't understand Spanish. Instead I just report people who comment in Spanish as it is an abuse to my and other people's eyes.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only a handful of extras actors in a film class B (boring)!.poor slaves!!.there are more hairs on my ass that people there hahahahahaha lol-country!!!! hahahaha-Nobody recognize this circus referendum !! be serious
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, Gustbelly. Our MI6 sepoys are busy sabotaging your bank account. Take care..... Go see Mr Timerman again for another banana
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@234 - check out what your fellow citizens are commenting about this... they are fed up with people like you who think bullying the falklands is more important than fixing your crumbling country. Take some responsibility and do something that will actually help your country, rather than posting lame comments with no intellectual content.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1562515-cristina-cambiara-el-nombre-al-salon-colon-de-la-casa-rosada-por-pueblos-originarios
banana is inside your ass!!1 hahahaha country!!! hahahah
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0you do not meet or elbow of a football stadium category C of our championship!!!!!!!!
ask some Okupas if they want to leave the house... there you are your silly referendum... LOL It seems that you just wanted to show Argentina that you are very proud of being an Okupa....
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0here are 13000 argies for every one of you.
I feel sorry for you, the law of the jungle is the one you follow.
I think I have the solution to this problem. Let FI take a 20-year lease on the province of “Santa Cruz” (the southernmost province of Arg) and administer it, on the understanding that, at the end of the lease the people of Santa Cruz have a referendum to decide whether they wish to stay with the FI or rejoin Arg. If the latter decision is the case (indicating that they prefer Arg rule) then the FI will also revert to Arg on the 200th anniversary of the British “occupation” (2033). What can be fairer than that?
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0ernest you are a burro !! first see a map and you will understand that the southernmost province of Arg is not Santa Cruz !!! it is Tierra del fuego !!! BURRRRROOO !!!
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0your hipotesis is just as stupid as your referendum....
study geography and then call me again....
Mad as a bag of frogs this lot.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0This 99.8% CONFIRMS that the population of the islands does not match the Self Determination way to solve the conflict. Self Determination must be claimed by populations that are supposed to be invaded and dominated by another society, and the islanders ARE british and want to remain being territory of Great Britain, cause their place in there can't be explained without the story of colonization and the UK seizing lands allover the world.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You guys there, in Malvinas might think it is ok, maybe because you are always exposed by a media that shows Argentina as a monster, as an aggressive society that hates british people and that would take away all your rights, nothing further from reality, guess what? Argentina is not the one holding the weapons in here, and outside that capsule the world really thinks that this situation is not ok and it's not fair.
As a person that celebrates the pacific search for justice and decolonization that Argentina is carrying out, I believe that Argentina should be celebrating this. In a way (one that the international corporate media won't spread the world), this demonstrate that colonialism is alive and strong in SouthAmerica.
Even the USA, that has been the UK's best alliance even at fundamentalistic wars is seeing this as a show for the media. If the USA is acting this way, all my people here please let me express that things are as clear as a glass of water. Only the power of huge international corporations can still keep this excuse of self determination alive. If the UK wasn't still an empire that holds privileges at International Community part of the Argentine territory would have stopped suffering from invasion long time ago.
CLAP CLAP CLAP !! Okupas are there because they have a hummer to hit every one who knock the door. since there is no police to go for them , they will remain there...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Kelpers, CLOCK IS TICKING ... now with no weapons and we love this way !! :)
@ #240 hypocrite
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then I was mis-informed by an ignorant Argentine friend. Never mind, since you have to pass through Chilean territory to get to Tierra del Fuego, I propose you sell to the Chileans who will obviously administer it much better. You need the dish and this should make your foreign minister (Timmerman) happy as then Argentina will be “complete”.
hey ernest, if there are some argies friends of you believe me..you will be very well informed... remember we do have a LOT of universities here, and guess what, for free !!! i go to Tierra del fuego by airplane, same as you go to Rio Gallegos, or London... ernestito, go to get a book be a good boy !!
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0if you know some expatried chileans, ask them how to go from Osorno ( by car ) to Palena. ernestito, if you want to be at a higher intelectual level, you can try with our free universities, I just hope you can pass the admission test... cya
@242 fermin
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can I show you how strange your logic is?
Well, Argentina are part of Mercoser through choice...so therefore Argentina should not have self determination.
Sounds stupid? I think so.
You really cannot comprehend that Argentine territory is all invaded land can you: Argentina is a construct of Europeans, for Europeans. Do you realy believe Amerindians are any better off being ruled by Europeans in Buenos Aries rather than Madrid? When I see a 97% reduction in the population of Argentina I might start taking you seriously about justice and decolonisation. Then the Amerindians can set up their own immigration policy and MAY let you back into South America.
244 ernest shackleton , that is what happens with you guys, you just write something that someone told you... go to books !!!! go to history,
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0question yourselves why did the english snatch the Malvinas in 1833 ?
@247 hipolyte: Maybe you should go to books !!!! go to history,
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0question yourselves
'Sunday, 30 August 1829 was a feast day for the village. Maria writes in her diary “Very good Saint Rose of Lima day, so Vernet has decided to take possession today of the islands in the name of the government of Buenos Aires”'.
hipolyte, who was Vernet trying to take possession from? Well, clearly Buenos Aries didn't possess the islands, so who did Vernet go to to get permission to set up his business on the islands?
Question yourself hipolyte, go to books, go to history. Ask yourself why Argentina has to modify its fairytale as the truth become more obvious.
Hmmmm,“Hiperbole” and the Trolls are pretty hot under the collar.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0too bad
@ #247 hypocrite
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1833, and for at least 50 years thereafter, all of Patagonia was no mans land. The Falklands were at least 1600 km from “Argentina” which, oh shucks, didnt actually exist until around 1850. Britain could easily have taken Patagonia too, so consider yourself lucky to have it. In fact the Welsh were the first to have the courage to settle there (1860's) amongst the fierce Indians. That was before General Roca decided to wipe out the Indians so as to make it safe for the latino colonisation which only got under way in the 1890's.
TWIMC
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The good men of England are avakening after that Ruritanian colonial referendum….
(Seumas Milne?.... What kind of ugly Dago name is that?)
”Tiny British settler population, most of whom weren't born there but are subsidised to the tune of £44,856 a head to keep them in the Rhodesian retro style to which they are accustomed”
(Ahhhhh Rhodesia ….. all those ”When I”….Pamwe Chete memories ;-)
In fact, British governments only developed a taste for self-determination after they had been forced to abandon the bulk of their empire and saw a way to hold on to colonised enclaves of dependent populations in places like Gibraltar and Northern Ireland.
But it's always been a pick and mix affair: there were no self-determination ballots for the people of Hong Kong or the Chagos Islands, expelled by Britain four decades ago to make way for an American air base in Diego Garcia. There are different rules, it seems, for white people.
(”Different rules for white people?”….. No sh*t, Sherlok!)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/falklands-vote-ruritanian-colonial-relic
To Mr. McDod
3 x 400£ DNA test price = 1,200£
Salt on the peanuts…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/falklands-vote-ruritanian-colonial-relic
@251 Multiple identical postings, tut, tut. This can only lead to more confrontation with your special friend.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0(252) Mr. McDod
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just checking if he is awake, earning his money or sleeping, as usual ;-)
@242 fermin
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination was used to confirm that the islanders are not a subjugated people. Argentina has sad they were a subjugated people hence the falklands listing on the UN C24 list. This proves the opposite. Perfectly reasonable.
It is Argentina that holds their guns towards the falklands, it is argentina that invaded the falklands, argentina that blockades, argentina that threatens the economy, threatens the falklands way of life, argentina from lowly mercopress poster, to full blown Presidentee that insults the falkland islanders as squatters and pirates and insults our war dead through weasally embarrassing snide olympic videos, argentina is the master of its own misfortune and oh boy you have screwed it up badly.
You guys claim to want to rid the world of colonies, first step then, kill yourselves. You are a spanish colony as much as the falklands are a british colony. Britain did not slaughter a single native in acquiring the falklands, not a single argentine/spaniard was killed, not one. Britain claimed it in 1765, at least 50 years before Argentina existed. The argentine garrison removed in 1833 was done without a shot fired, the civilian population mostly elected to stay on the island (self determination) and even Sir Charles Darwin's diaries and louis vernet's records show this to be true.
Britain's priveleges. We are a permanent member of the security council and we earned it. Argentina is merely an embarrassing guest on the council at the moment. Argentine malvinistas seem to band around the world imperial/colonial and live in a world of anti-european sentiment. Seems to me that you are driven by some kind of jealousy, racism even.
The message is clear , they do not want to be argentine, well lets face it, who in their right mind would want to be when you could be a cool Brit, drinking tea, eating cucumber sandwiches on the lawn, whilst watching cricket, or tennis, whilst thinking 'thank fuck I'm not Argentine'.. more tea anyone?
@254 “Argentina has said they were a subjugated people hence the falklands listing on the UN C24 list.”
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, they are on the list because we, the UK, put them there all those years ago and can't now seem to get them off it.
(255) Mr. McDod
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good of you to set the British Turnips right......
If you didn't exist.... I should consider “inventing” you....;-)
@251 Think,
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem downcast & sad, Think.
You'll get over it.
Whatever you do, don't get bitter.
Peace.
(257) Chère Isolde
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You better be carefull with all that care and affection you show towards me...
We don't want anybody accusing us of being a “Pantomime Horse” act... Do we?
Luuuv to the cats....
@256 Thank you, master.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@(259) No-sweat.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to remember Think telling everyone that the Peso would recover after the summer...well not so much
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leak rate was $8.40 yesterday
Is he ever right about anything?
One would have to assume he had a menial job that didn't require much mental capacity and certainly nothing to do with understanding money.
@261 Yes. He's right when he says that he and I are not the same person.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0262, But that is not really provable though...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok. I am Doveroverdover.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More like impotant and irrelevant just like your so called homeland.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recapitulating……
The United States of America official comment on the English ”Referendum” on them Islands....:
http://video.state.gov/en/video/2221454686001
The United States of Europe official comment on the English ”Referendum” on them Islands....:
http://video.state.gov/en/video/2221454686001
What a great Public Relations Victory for the English Kelpers!
I hope you enjoyed your party….
Time for the hang-over…
Chuckle ouch©
Recapitulating.....
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three days after a referendum the world hasn't changed for the Islanders.
Almost 70 years of nagging, invading, illegal economic blockades, rants, more ranting, false promises, yet more nagging with a touch of screeching.....
and nothing has changed for Argentina!
Quite hilarious that some wish to highlight a perceived failure after only 3 days and yet ignore the massive failure they live in.
Nearly SEVENTY years....... now that's a sign of failure.
this kelpers just wanted to have a party to celebrate something, they did it, they had a great time.... but outside of the rock, no other country but England, gives a shit about the party the kelpers organized...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kelpers, tonight when you go to bed, think on this, for every one of you, there are 13000 argies. All of them just agree on one thing, to kick you out from the rock... sweet dreems.
ps, don't worry, we will not use violence on you, we love to have the support of Latin américa, Africa, China, and many many others, but what is best is to know that EU gives a shit about you, and so the US !!!
Think- The EU lists The Falklands as a British Territory and we are named and listed in various EU Agreements - simple fact old chap. Not surprisinly the EU Commission spokseperson has to be pretty noncommittal over an issue that the EU Member States regard as BiLateral only and not an EU issue.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also you and others would do well to separtae out the truth between those nations that formally and in writing back the Arg claim - as aprt from those that merely say - yes there is a dispute - the relevant parties should solve it peacefully etc.
But hell - when did truth and reality ever bother the Kirschener Govt .
Over that last year or two I have spoken with several senior Chilean Diplomats current and retired - who all fully agree for instance that the majority in Chile feel that the Islands belong to the people who live there - the minority say they should belong to Argentina.
But looking at the border line in kilometers and the need to “manage” relations with neighbours(one can only choose friends- one has to live with neighbours) all Chilean Govts have to go in public with the minority view - that is reality
Uruguay the position is the same.
Both have a different line though when dealing direct with the Islands.
even the Pope is on the side of Argentina, chuckle chuckle chuckle !!!
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@269
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said and very true.
@270
He didn't in 1978 did he, arf arf!!!
Not good news for CFK and all the other SA dictators. The new Pope has been very vocal of the destruction of the middle class and the ever increasing poor in all of these poorly run regimes.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News Flash - Argentina lays claim to Vatican - there is an “implanted person” in there now.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Condorito, thank God ( cardenal Samoré) in 1978 nothing happened, It would have been a mess for the whole region, and the only one earning something, would have been England...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have business with Chile al the time, I import wood from Lautaro, and i get allong very well with them, but you... you are just there on the Malvinas because you cannot get a job in Chile... I think you can't, the question is...why ? are you affraid of the right side of Chile ??
Don't you feel like a Mexican in California ?? you can clean their dishes, sweeming pool or also you can vote for them to be English ( british...) but you will be just nothing more than an expatriated... so do me a favour, go to write in forums with bolivians and peruvians talking about Arica, Iquique and some other things, you have no room on this discussion mate.
@274
Mar 13th, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what “a Mexican in California” feels like so I can't help you there and I am not certain what a “sweeming pool” is but it might be how a poorly educated Argentinean spells “swimming pool”, perhaps the kind of person who cleans pools or chops wood for a living.
I am glad that you get on so well with my compatriots in the south - good people down there. I live in La Serena and I also get on very well with the Argies that I do business with with, so at least we have that in common.
@ 268 Hypocrite
Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“we love to have the support of Latin américa, Africa, China, and many many others, ..”
Exactly, all the dictatorships, tyrannies, bogus “foreign aid” democracies, and all Muslim countries. Which pretty well sums up the majority at the UN (Useless Nations). Not a single decent and trustworthy govt amongst them, all have an anti-western agenda.
In the light of the massive YES vote by Islanders
Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These questions now need to be asked.
Why is there so much dialogue on decolonization about a people who by choice have decided to live in a remote place and be protected by another Country?.
Why is it so necessary to remove a colony status in the world place?.
Why in the case of the Falkland Islands should we not be allowed to live as we choose under the protection that we choose?.
Why would it be right for Argentina to own the Falkland Islands as apposed to Great Britain owning them?.
Hipolyte- Do please remind us Who started the Pacific War that resulted in B0livia and Peru loosing territory?
Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and also remind us Who it was that chose that time to pressure and threaten Chile into giving up their part and claim of southern Patagonia knowing that Chile would not be able to fight 2 wars at the same time?
Also perhaps you can remind us who militarily took over part of Paraguay less than 100 years ago?
In South America I see one current and historically aggresive expansionist nation - the clue is the name begins with A.
(278)
Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because you English are squatting 8,000 miles away from home.......
condorito, sorry for my bad spelling it is just a problem I have due to the mix of languages I manage, some english ( sorry again for the bad spelling) protuguese, italian and french. I hope you can forgive me for that, next time I will use a translator.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Condorito,
I understand you do not see the television, movies and other than mercopress, so now I can see why you don't understand about how does it feel for mexicans being the second class people on a place, they feel just like you in Malvinas. so Please talk in a different forum, you have nothing to do here, you are not part of the problem and for sure not part of the solution.
Ernestito , you don't know what is the southernmost province of Argentina that is just 600 km away from you, so to talk to you is as usless as talking to a parrot.. get education and then call me back.
( remember burro, you said Santa Cruz was the southermost province of Arg ??? BURRO )
Islander pacific war was due mineral explotation, SALITRE. we can talk hours about it, and I would love it, but the issue here is MALVINAS MAN !!! MALVINAS !!! so please do not move the conversation to a different topic.
as simple as walking. you wish to be brtish, or german, or chinese, or gay or pirat...OK !!!!! but not over a land that was taken by the force to a different country. I hope you remember you tried to do the same in Buenos Aires twice, and then you allied the french and again we expelled you, 3 TIMES but, Malvinas it was easy for you....
Islander, have a good night, if you came to Mendoza, we can share a wine from my winery and together we can talk about history, I would love it
Condorito and Ernestito, you are not invited, don't even dream about it you are below the line of standard of knowledge.
LMAO. The only person that will visit hipolyte at his winery is Nostils.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've yet to see any British weapon as inhumane as that!
279 Think (#) Come on at least make an effort to answer th equestions. You seem to be stuck in the same old rut only seem to know th eword squatter. That probably explains th elack of knoweldge in any conversation you have .
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just heard that more than 60% of Argentines believe that the Falkland islanders should be allowed to decide their own future. which means you are now in a minority 279 Think (#) how to you feel about that. Your Country is about to fight back at their government and right that they do so. Why should they be subjected to so much poverty while just a few hundred miles off shore the Falkland Islanders are living th elives of their choosing .
@ 280 Hypocrite....
Mar 14th, 2013 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0re your generous wine offer - does that extend to me? I am in Misiones province now with my (Arg born) Japanese g/f - who, sensible little darling that she is, also thinks that the Arg claim on FI is TONTO..!!! Be that as it may, as a wine connoisseur, I would like to take up your offer. However, I only wish I could bring you some samples of other much better S.Hemisphere wine producers - Chile (of course) but also South African, Australian, and New Zealand wines - all of which are far better than yours..!! Only you wouldn't be aware of how far behind your wine industry is since Cristina F**K (for that is her real name) has imposed such massive import duties that unless you are either very rich or yourself an Arg politician (which is quite likely) you will never get the opportunity to try them in Argentina..!! Do you accept my offer to drink your wine?
280 Hipolyte- maybe I will take you up on that one day - I dont deny you have some damn good wines - and beef.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0History - we could talk all night about it- 1690-1764-1765-1770-1771-1775 and then on to 1833.
1805 and 1807 was nothing to do with the Islands - just Britain attacking their current Eurpean enemy of the day- Spain!
Either of us can make our version of a historic claim based on how we interpret events up to 1833 - and some of those were a bit murky on both sides.
But reality is that was the way the world solved it,s problems in those days - by force.
Today in the 21st century times have changed and its all about people to day - Human Rights and Self Determination count for a lot more than who did what to who 180-250 years ago!
Our Countries should be friends - we used to be - despite the Sovereignty argument -but you will need to get rid of the current President and her attitude first- and then try the Menem approach again.
(284) Islander1
Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say….:
”Today in the 21st century times have changed and its all about people to day - Human Rights and Self Determination count for a lot more than who did what to who 180-250 years ago..”
I say…:
Quite correct….
That's why I hope the English government has learned the lesson of Chagos and Hong Kong and pays you a proper and Human compensation that allows you Kelpers, to Self-Determine where in England you wish to be relocated.
Desiring the Right
El Think, Chubut, Argentina
Think
Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0you ARE a miserable soul.
shut up
(284) Islander1
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0And please.... Don't be a hypocrite....
We tried the Menem / Di Tella approach for a decade...
Don't answer, just “think”.................. Where did it get us?
Not the slightest sign of respect from you, English....
You breached the Fisheries agreement....
You breached the Oil agreement....
It’s your own medicine now….
Oh Think, l hate to see you like this.......................
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be so bitter.
You just don't get it, do you.?
lt doesn't matter what approach you try or tried.
We are under no obligations to deal with you in any way as YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS HERE.
This is not & never has been(or for that matter, never will be)your land.
IT'S NOT YOURS, these lslands are OURS.
And guess what? we are NOT going to give OUR land to anyone, especially not to Argentina.
You are right about one thing though.
We have absolutely no respect for Argentina. Not one little bit.
Tough cheese, old man.
Think- Actually it was your current Govt that tore up the Fisheries Agreement- and the Oil Agreement.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is there today no control over fishing on the high seas in this part of the world?
Why is there no co-operation between both on catch rates etc in our respective zones between here and the mainland? There used to be - including joint cruises to mnitor stocks size and catch levels - and we both used to open/close our zones working together based on all the catch information.
Was there a generation of Islanders starting to grow up thinking that Argentina was not that bad a place and country to live alongside- Yes there was.
Would it have been a distinct possibility that The islands and UK would probabaly by now have been around a table with Argentina looking for a solution to the dispute - yes it would.
Who destroyed all that and has now caused the population of the Islands be they 6 0r 86 to hate and despise what Argentina stands for?
Answer - the Kirscheners and everything they stand for.
It is you who need to face facts and reality.
(289) Chère Isolde
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's why I like you, Isolde dahling....
you are a incurable squashy tease.
But you ain't an hypocrite.
Condor #213
Mar 14th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the mind-pictures; much fun.
I can just see Simon Pegg (as in Hot Fuzz) acting the role of the Foreign Secretary.
282 kelperabout what is the wisky brand you use for breakfast ??
Mar 14th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@213 Condo
Mar 14th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL !!!
and Sussie is the Mal-zombie in a wedding dress
@ Hypocrite,
Mar 14th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for not inviting me because even though I'm here in Arg, I don't really want to visit Mendoza - been there, done that - scruffy city, dusty untidy roads, broken pavements, crappy casino, lousy restaurants, scruffy vineyards, indifferent wine. Most of the vineyards are not even open to independent visitors - you are expected to join a ripoff tour. I rented a car (at twice the European price for a very crappy car) but was disappointed that very few if any vineyards have nice guest lodges or fine-dining restaurants. We had to stay in some primitive places and they weren't easy to find either. For an experience it simply cannot possibly compare with the Cape of Good wine country - talk about chalk and cheese - have you been there Hypowhat? Its a paradise on earth - the jagged mountain scenery, the old Cape Dutch buildings, the beautifully-tended gardens, the giant old oak trees, the friendly people, the wine, the prices, the.... Oh shit - sorry, of course like most Args you either cannot afford to travel or your govt won't let you buy foreign currency will they? Unless, as I speculated earlier, you are somehow connected to the Cristina F**K “peoples” dictatorship. Anyway, even though most of the islanders haven't seen much of Arg - they seem to instinctively know that something is not right with this broken-down country of yours..!
ernestito, sorry to desapoint you, but i have 2 passports full of stamps to show you... send me your e mail address and I will send you the copies of it, you will be amazed . Regarding wines, your comment of this and that country has better wines than Arg is a pity ... if you think you are a conocedor de vinos , then I have to tell you that your comment showed me how basic you are...
Mar 14th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look ernestito, my country has corruption, has poor people, has children with hunger I will not deny it, but I 'm not talking about it here.
the issue is MALVINAS and you are not invited to have a glass of wine to my winery. GET EDUCATION FIRST.
( 289) Islander1
Mar 14th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know (or you should know, being a Kelper) that it was YOUR previous Govt. that tore up the Fisheries Agreement by, unilaterally, shifting from the agreed “One Year Fishing Licenses” to “25 Years Fishing Licenses” for F.I. Fishing Companies.
This is why there today is no control over fishing on the high seas in this part of the world.
Nor co-operation on catch rates in our respective zones.
Nor joint cruises to monitor stocks size and catch levels.
Because………….. you breached our agreements by unilaterally shifting from the agreed “One Year Fishing Licenses” to “25 Years Licenses” for FI Fishing Companies.
It's all in the archives, matey.... Look it up...
You cheated us yet again……for the hundredth time since 1833
It is you who need to face facts and reality.
@ hypolite,
Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK - Let's talk about the islands you call the Malvinas, after the French settlers curiously. Actually, since we've rehashed the competing claims over and over and nobody can or will agree, lets rather talk about South Georgia, etc. What, if any, is the basis of that spurious claim? I've tried over and over to get an Argentine to answer this question but not one has ever responded. Over to you, señor.
RAVEN. VUGGEVISE.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raven: This is evident that you ignore that between 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested taking the case to the arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k.
In 1947, the u. k. manifested arg. that it would be disposed to discuss about the dependencies from the islands, south georgia and sandwich, before the i. c. j, but it didn't include the mavinas-falklands in the proposal. In my opinion, if none of the two nations proposed again to take the question to th i. c. j., after 1947, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive outcome for their countries.
On the other hand, while it is true that arg's claim wasn't continues during some periods of time, when arg. had a very big economic dependence with the u. k., which showed that it was obvious that it wasn't in conditions for claimg the u. k. for it's rights over the islands, however, despite these aspects, the u. k. accepted to start negotiations with the country, in 1968, 1974 and 1980, which showes that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, and you should take into account all these aspects too, in order to make a serious analysis, instead of telling just what is convenient for you.
Vuggevise: Accepted or not, the case has always been considered as a special colonial situation, and self determination has never been invoked in any of the resolutions that were expressed for this case, in fact, get into the webside from the u. n., and you'll see that there is not any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the malvinas-falkland cause.
Like it or not, that right has never been applied for this cause, as it was for other colonial situations.
( 297) W'ont type your nick in respect of a good man
Mar 14th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask (any Argentinean):
“....lets rather talk about South Georgia.What, if any, is the basis of that spurious claim? ”
This Argentinean answers...:
The basis of our claim is the same as the basis of your claim.....
We want them.
296 Think So much dribble flowing from your mouth that it is any wonder you have a working Country at all. The Falkland Islands Fisheries only changed their policy after your lot broke your link with them. Selfish lot that you are you still prattle on about the same old thing. We Want Them. Well you can't and never will have them get it. We are here to stay riches and all and you can do nothing legally about it. Notice you still have not attempted to answer my questions you excuse for an Argentine.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 299 Sthink
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as I thought then - pure greed and hyper-nationalistic posturing. What has your country done to deserve them? You didn't discover them, you didn't explore them, they were on the wrong (Portuguese) side of the Tordessilas line, and you didn't even bother to claim them until around 1940 - presumably hoping and expecting that Adolf would back your claim, which I'm sure he would have done if that would have brought you into the war - just as Mussolini hoped to get parts of France and various bits of Yugoslavia, Greece, etc. If that is the spurious basis of Argentina's claim to both sets of islands then it is obvious why Arg refuses to go to international arbitration. You would be your own worst witnesses..!!!
#299
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, we don't want them, WE HAVE THEM !!
(300) kelperabout
Mar 14th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say..:
“ The Falkland Islands Fisheries only changed their policy after your lot broke your link with them”
I say...:
Incorrect
Ask your dad.
Ask your mom.
Ask your uncle.
Ask your teacher.
303 Think I do believe I may have forgotten more than you have learned. It is a total waste of time even trying to reason with you. You refuse to directly answer my four questions yet you are willing to acknowledge that I exist because when it suits you have your say. I have far more important things to do in life than educate you because you are past any reasonable help and your aggressive mind is made up. You are likely to be the very first victim in our future because you are going to be still sitting in the dark ages while my country forges ahead.
Mar 14th, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we are in a very good position to become very , very rich economically and it will be quite satisfying to be able to enjoy this wealth while watching the once powerful Argentine fade into History.
(304) kelperabout
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say..:
“ The Falkland Islands Fisheries only changed their policy after your lot broke your link with them”
I say...: Incorrect
Ask your dad.
Ask your mom.
Ask your uncle.
Ask your teacher.
Ask Islander1 :-)))))
Think
Mar 14th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Sarge, hows the vote going? can't be bothered to look myself thought I would ask you, Oh yeah, while your at it, do the stock prices as well, know how much you like that.
Think I say you are thick but then everyone else knows that anyway
Mar 15th, 2013 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@306,307
Mar 15th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know why anyone bothers to respond to Thinkedover anymore.
He has no issues to argue - they've all been refuted effectively many times in the past, and been successfully disposed of.
All he does now is spit and rant everything hateful - there is nothing else for him to do.
What a hateful, miserable, unhappy soul.
@308 Troy
Mar 15th, 2013 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree!
It's like he has lost his passion. There's been a marked decrease in the quality and length of his posting together with a large increase in asking DOD questions and just posting inane or asinine fluff that books down to.... nothing.
As a pensioner he could be is suffering malnutrition due to the massive drop in his spending power.
Mind you, he is entertaining. I'm still pissing myself that he is a 1st generation Argentine and that his parents actually CHOSE Argentina for a better life. Judging by Nostrils rant when I raised that point, I now know that he is too. The difference being that Nostrils parents much more recently, so they were even dumber thinking what Think's parents thought so many decades ago.
@309 Anglotino,
Mar 15th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was great at one time.
ln 1900 it had one of the highest, if not THE highest standard of living in the world.
As far as investment went it was part of Britain's “lnformal Empire”
The investments there made a lot of people very wealthy in both Britain & Argentina.
lt could be wealthy & prosperous again if it was managed correctly.
Not sure when the rot started, but Peron certainly helped it along.
Yes indeed it was a world leader in beef sales but somewhere along the way their beef industry dried up and now they are only left with the bullshit they are triying to sell the world.
Mar 15th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0My sides are getting sore laughing at them
to all the keepers and their supporters......
Mar 15th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know that there is no permanent population on S.Georgia or its dependencies, and maybe thats why I am the only one who keeps bringing up the issue. Anyway this is why I chose the good name of Ernest Shackleton, my apologies to this great British hero, who would be furious at his resting place being ceded to Argentina. With regards to the FI I think this is a very relevant point I make that the RG's are also claiming these islands which neither they nor Spain ever had anything to do with. Trivial as it is, we all know the basis of the RG claim to the FI, and we can and do and will argue about that till hell freezes over. But nobody, least of all the RG's knows under what basis, historical or otherwise, rests their very belated (around 1940) and spurious claim to SG. In dozens of posts I have only ever had one response from an RG (think) who said “we want it because you want it”, which is not only nonsensical but childish, but then thats what we have come to expect from these thick-skulled turnip heads. Only one person has given a rational reason (obviously not an RG) and that was to say the claim is based purely on the fact that SG is administered as a dependency of the FI. But if this is the basis of the claim, then doesn't that imply a de-facto acceptance of British ownership of the FI ..?
IMO there is a sneaky ulterior motive. The RG's know their claim to SG is nonsensical but they added it to their “wish list”, so to speak, hoping that at a later point Britain would eventually accede to the relentless RG demands for the FI on condition that they (the Brits) keep SG - to which Argentina would “reluctantly” agree (whilst barely containing their childlike glee) as a face-saver for the Brits. Rather like a bazaar merchant will ask 3x what his goods are worth so that a 50% discount looks like a great bargain. Anyone have any input?
@312 ernest shackleton,
Mar 15th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l too, in the past, have brought up the RGs ridiculous “claims” to South Georgia & the SSI.
l agree with what you say to a certain extent but l believe that there is more to it than that.
They desperately want the sole rights to plunder Antarctica's resources & don't like the idea of competition.
Possession of all British Antarctic lslands & territory is their first step.
They could then also control any shipping movements between South America & Antarctica.
Of course, the oil from the Falklands is an added unexpected bonus.
Peron started all this guff, he admired Mussolini, who as we know was always going on about the “effete” British.
This combined with the dithering of the Foreign Office over the Falklands, prior to 1982 has emboldened the Argentines.
And of course, now they have convinced themselves that all this land is really theirs.
They are like the schoolyard bully who senses weakness & takes advantage over it.
lt came as a big shock to them that we actually fought back, then went on to defeat them.
Their Latin psyche cannot handle defeat. They must always win.
That is why l believe that they will try again.
They didn't claim British Antarctica until 1942(&Chile in 1940)when they both thought that Britain would lose the war.
Their only real argument is proximity(which isn't an argument at all)as their myth of expulsion has been shown to be a pack of lies.
To finish up, they have no moral, legitimate, legal or historical rights to our territory & deep down, l suspect that they know this.
They are just“trying it on” & hoping for a miracle.
@ 313 Isolde
Mar 16th, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your valuable input and the interesting points you make. The analogy with Mussolini is apt since he only joined Hitler's war belatedly when France was on its knees and he thought he could get a chunk of S.France cheaply. Similarly ARg thought it could get the FI with a bit of schoolyard bullying, as you say. And they still think that way. I agree with you that when their “peaceful” bullying fails, they will try again. They cannot be trusted, ever..!!
(313) Chère Isolde
Mar 16th, 2013 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0To finish up, Argentina has moral, legitimate, legal and historical rights to its territory & deep down, l suspect that you know this.
We are outsmarting you & waiting for the results.
Argentina has none of those things - you just keep repeating it over and over again, hoping some dumb schmuck will believe you if they hear it enough.
Mar 16th, 2013 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Childish nonsense, but the intimidation and the threats are criminal are nasty.
@314 ernest shackleton,
Mar 16th, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0So glad that someone else can see through their plans as l believe that l can.
They definitely(thank you Think, for showing me the correct spelling!)cannot be trusted.
Only thing that you can be sure of, is that when they speak, they are lying.
@315 Think,
Not very original, Alte.
l note that you didn't even attempt to refute my points.
Your reason for Argentina's ridiculous“claims”on South Georgia are:-
“Because we want them” -your own words.
That is an admission that they belong to someone else(Britain)& your country knows this & desires them & therefore will lie & cheat & whine & complain & eventually attempt to take them by force or hope for a miracle.
Got to burst your bubble, but--it ain't gonna happen, diego.
The only people that you are outsmarting are yourselves.
312 ernest shackleton
Mar 16th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree in total with what you have written. Argentina has always acquired land by deception or murder and they are known to the world as thieves.
Many of the commentators writing on these comment sections who argue with us over our homeland are fanatics , few in numbers and puppets of the regime that runs them.
The only reason for their continued claim to the Falkland Islands and dependencies is as already mentioned by others . They want control of the South Atlantic Antarctica gateway and will not stop until someone decides that it has gone on long enough.
I also agree that there will inevitably be war over our Country again because of the fact that with the discovery of oil we are going to be more desirable to own.
You are also right in saying that Argentina has no absolute claim to South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands even if there was a thread of truth in the Falklands Issue.
The reason they started their campaign on south Georgia in 1992 was to see just how much of an interest Great Britain actually had in the Islands and they almost got away with it if it was not for the fact they raised their Flag on it.
You are also right in that the Argentines would use South Georgia as a sob giveaway as part of their real prize but what may have been possible once is now, thanks to the world communications very unlikely to happen.
The only way that the threat from Argentina will ever go away is by a total external military defeat of their Country and that is unlikely to happen unless Argentina starts another war over the Islands. If they do then the next tie will see their complete defence system destroyed and when that happens Chile , Uruguay, Brazil and others will seize the opportunity and Argentina know this and it is that which is keeping them from current military action.
One wonders, in fact, to what extent the rest of South America would be happy with Argentina controlling the whole of the South Atlantic and access to Antarctica.
Mar 16th, 2013 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just to keep you all informed
The E- petition started five days ago by one of our resident Argie haters, Yank “Captain Poppy” has been plastered all over Facebook’s multiple hysterical Argie hating sites and has reached whopping **81** votes.
My old german boxer dog has nearly twice as many friends in his Facebook profile ;-)))
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/support-our-longtime-alliy-united-kingdom-their-position-over-falkland-islands-and-not-argentina/yXQ3C5xd
Just 99,919 more votes to go and Mr. Obama will read it.....
WASP's of the World, Unite!
320 Think seems you live and breath your ideals. Well just remember your ideals are yours alone the rest of us have other ideals and 99.98% of Falkland Islanders don't want Argentina as their ideals so you better remember that,
Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for your Argentine Pope, your welcome to hi as well because he is likely hiding in his new role as an Argentine who will distort the truth about our Country. Time will tell.
I guess you will be moving back to argie land soon now it is going to be a safer place to live because real Popes are against cruelity and wars.
Oh by th eway th eonly wasps that are anywher near the Falklands is Argentines who are dictators.
Yes how ineffective!
Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0So much better to petition the UN for 68 years and still have nothing to show for it.
The resources of an entire country.
More than half a century.
NOTHING
NIX
NADA
(317) Chère Isolde
Mar 16th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
l note that you didn't even attempt to refute my points.
I say...:
Dahling... You don't have any points to refute.....
And I know that, not so deep down, that “Eternal English Squatter” inside your pretty blond head knows it....
British memsahib born in Niugini, not your Country, had to leave....
Pom girl schooled in OZ, not your Country, had to leave....
Tried you luck in Pilipinás, not your Country, had to leave....
Tried in Indonesia, not your Country, had to leave....
Tried, again, in Malvinas, well aware of them Islands background, not your Country, will have to leave....
@ sthink & hypocrite...
Mar 16th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that in Arg nobody can even dare mention that the Arg claim is invalid, let alone side with the FI. Wasn't there recently a small but very courageous group of Argentines who tried to open a rational debate on the “Malvinas” issue? The fact that they were shouted down as traitors and issued with death threats speaks volumes for the lack of freedom within Arg.
In Britain, on the other hand, we have the likes of George Galloway (vocal advocate for Muslim fanaticism) being politely interviewed by the BBC as if the odious opinions of this despicable opportunist are widely held by the British public. Since his opinions are only held by a small minority, and can be guaranteed to be anti-British in content, I personally disagree with allowing such blatant traitors a national voice, but this is the difference between the 2 sides.
315 Think-me-not
Mar 16th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To finish up, Argentina has moral, legitimate, legal and historical rights to its territory & deep down, l suspect that you know this.
We are outsmarting you & waiting for the results”
Seriously???? SERIOUSLY????
You believe that??? you believe what you just wrote???
You are just joking arn't you? You are just trying to wind lsolde up arn't you? No sane person can believe what you wrote so it MUST be a wind up right??
I mean really, ok, you've had your little joke....now please, let's be serious ok??
@325 toooldtodieyoung(love your screen name btw!),
Mar 16th, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l don't worry too much about señor Think.
We all know that he's a born liar.
Also not too much imagination as he has to repeat what people say, then twist it to have a different meaning.
lts fun to beat him, which l do quite often.
l know that he hates us British, it oozes out of every posting he makes.
Don't know why, really & care even less.
@323 Think,
All wrong & not worth commenting on, really.
But l will say that l have never “had to leave”anywhere.
l still have Residence permits in my passport for some of the countries that you list & can return if l so wish.
However it is more fun living here, especially since it annoys you RGs. lol.
And FYI, We will NOT have to leave here.
Who is going to make us?..............................don't say Argentina or you'll give me the giggles & l won't be able to sleep.
(326) Chère wandering squatterette Isolde
Mar 17th, 2013 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You ask...:
Who is going to make us (resettle)?
I say...:
Difficult to say today, but, given the official timeline for eviction and judging by the following list..:
http://www.babycentre.co.uk/a557221/top-uk-baby-names-2003#ixzz2NlP5p6pG
......the names of the English coppers assisting you to resettle may well be Jack, Joshua, Thomas, James, Daniel, Oliver, Benjamin, Samuel, William, Joseph or even Harry…..
You do live in a fantasy world, don't you, Cher Think?
Mar 17th, 2013 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still haven't satisfactory refuted ANY of the points that l made.
You have lost,
Your country has lost,
lts not your land & you are a lost soul.
Get over it.
(328) Isolde, dearest
Mar 17th, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
lts not your land & you are a lost soul.
I say...:
A “Lost” soul downright !
How very fitting in these exacerbated religious days we are living through.....
But...... As God on Earth said last year..:
“Las Malvinas son Argentinas”
Happy St Patrick's day to all you English, by the way.
Yes Think, we celebrate St Paddy's day too.
Mar 17th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln fact l have my green shirt on at this very minute.
l'd say that your God on Earth is a bit confused.
Anyway, you can have your malvinas, where ever they are, but we'll keep the Falklands(AND South Georgia & the SSIs & British Antarctica).
As they are NOT your land.
Yes, they are.
Mar 17th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh No they're not.....
Mar 17th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhhh YES they are......
Mar 17th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm behind you.....
Mar 17th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woooooooow
Mar 17th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you guys seen Teslyn & Mike’s picture with Obama?
https://twitter.com/FalklandsGov/status/312622669528977408/photo/1
Well spent money into that Washington Trip ;.)
He's behind them...
Mar 17th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really...
Mar 17th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the White House's backside...
They're so far behind, they think they're first :-)
Enough of this pantomime horse tomfoolery.
Mar 17th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@337 Sr Think.
I hadn't seen it but I'm very pleased I now have. Clearly, if she can just shake off that old fellow on her right she'll be able to get down to the real purpose of her visit. Exposing the involvement of the ultra-Republican oil money fuelled IRI (1225 I St NW Washington, DC) in the very event he is trying to draw to the attention of the Democrat President that is. Private Eye might well be interested in running this story.
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/
She wont do that!
Mar 17th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) She’s one of them...
2) They know where she lives...
3) Nobody can shake Mike Summers off ;-)
Sounds like you're displaying a mild case of PTSD, Sr Think.
Mar 17th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's not PTSD Geoff..., that's mild paranoia..., with a tad of humour.....
Mar 17th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think,
Mar 17th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are starting to crack.
Go & have a hot rum & tea, then have a good lie down.
You'll feel better int morn.
Isolde, dahling.
Mar 17th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t crack under a gale as English oak does.
I gently bend for the wind, as our humble tacuara does.
Just to raise again, stronger than ever, when the storm has passed.
@343 Thinkedover
Mar 17th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don’t crack under a gale as English oak does.
I gently bend for the wind, as our humble tacuara does.”
In other words, you have no integrity and will sell your principles for self-interest.
As opposed to the British who will put themselves in harm's way to “defend the right”.
Thanks for admitting you are a sleazebag.
“The winds may fell the massive oak, but bamboo, bent even to the ground, will spring upright after the passage of the storm.”
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zen
You've finally lost it, Think.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, l shouldn't have rode you so hard. Now you're making me feel bad(not!).
ln the list of “Shit Happens”:-
“lf you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of shit happening” Zen.
l'll miss you think, but l think they treat people like you alright.
Bye bye.
Au Revoir, Dahling....
Mar 18th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0We'll always have Estanley ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o
Why wouldn't they want new laes.that pop up with no warning? Increase in the tax for purchase outside Arg to 20% today. To be fair, it's because they're propping up the currency.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't necessarily condemn Argentina for taking measures to shore up their currency, but such desperate measures are a very visible symptom of the serious trouble they are in, and their poor, of not criminal mgmt. of the economy.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very hard on the average middle class Argentinian
Think !!! I love you !! saludos desde Mendoza, les duele , les duele !!!!
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