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Hague calls on all countries to accept results of Falklands’ referendum and support the Islanders
All countries should accept the results of the Falklands’ referendum and support the Islanders as they continue to develop their home and their economy, said on Tuesday Foreign Secretary William Hague following on the overwhelming weekend vote to remain as a British Overseas Territory. Read full article
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aaah Jim Lad. Loadsa support from Blighty
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long John
God Save the Queen.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The day after the referendum kelper
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not that we do not understand the islanders in their eagerness to ratify their identity: they are British and British law recognizes them as such. Argentina did not try to change their identity and way of life, but the territory they inhabit is not . There is a right that they have, which is to decide on the fate of our territory or resolve the sovereignty dispute, ”he said about Castro.
He indicated that self-determination of peoples is a fundamental principle of international law “which is not recognized to any established community in a territory but the people considered indigenous people who have been or are being subjected to colonial power, which is not the case of the inhabitants ”of the Falkland Islands. “There is a colonized people but a colonized territory. Residents are not part of the sovereignty dispute but sovereignty over the territory is” summed Alicia Castro told Millenium FM.
See the following link:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-215647-2013-03-12.html
@4 i don't want to overstate my authority, but the day after the argentines give argentina back to the indigenous population and #### off back to spain they can have the falklands.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0other than that. balls to 'em.
Congratulations to the Falkland Islanders for demonstrating their democratic wishes. The future looks bright for you.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from
Darragh
County Kerry
Republic of Ireland
“59% consider themselves to be ‘Falkland Islander’, 29% British, 9.8% St Helenian and 5.4% Chilean”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wot, no Argies?
@4 who cares what that bint says, she's the laughing stock of London mate
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul - well done. You have earned another two boxes of Malbec and six bananas. Now scuttle off back to Mr Timerman for more instructions.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long John
@4 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you incapable of posting anything original, rather than incessantly posting incomprehensible and factually incorrect propagandist drivel that you have attempted to translate in Google Translate?
“Argentina did not try to change their identity and way of life, but the territory they inhabit is not .”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an bald-faced and unrepentant liar.
You invaded. You held guns to the heads of civilians. You illegally imprisoned the entire Goose Green settlement, nearly used Stanley at the end as a mass human shield before Menendez had to surrender, filled their landscape with landmines, many undocumented or documented poorly, need I go on? And you celebrate it to this day with coinage so you can't blame it on a long-gone but under-prosecuted Junta.
Congratulations the the people of the Falkland Island, here's to a bright future:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alex
Suffolk County, Massachusetts
Now if my president will get off his ass and the fence. Lord knows I've written him my protest of his position enough times.
As per the song, - “Future's so bright, you gotta wear shades”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done Mr Hague, well done Islanders, keep calm and carry on!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN countries show your democratic credentials and uphold the islanders rights.
That idiot Alicia Castro has just made a complete tit of herself once again on Sky news. Brilliant PR for the islanders & UK.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the comment in the Irish Independent: “Just 3 village-idiots in a population of 1,500 is something any nation in the world would be proud of” :-)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be nice to get it from us (USA)....The problem, is that we live in America and don't like to create too much noise. In the USA's eyes still there is a dispute.......and Obama is not Ronald Reagan by any strech of the imagination.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best wishes to the Falklands Islanders!! “in like flint Mates!”
“This is not a colonized people but a colonized territory”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, seriously, you are a fuckwit.
All of North America and South America are colonized territories. Most of it swapped hands between European colonialists.
The Falklands are probably THE CLEAREST case of non-colonized territory in the Americas, in that no indigenous population was displaced.
However, you would like to bring up 1833, when 59 members of an Argentine (UP) militia were removed after 2 months.
At various times this 59 have been called “the original population”, the “indigenous population” or “the Argentine authorities”.
Of course they were none of these, they were murderers, rapists, deportees and ONLY THERE FOR 2 MONTHS!!
However, you do seem to have a blind spot to the “original population of Argentina”, the “indigenous population” and the “Ameriindian authories” who had been in YOUR COLONIZED TERRITORY for millenia.
Rather than requesting peacefully that they return to where theyd left just 2 months before...YOU slaughtered them.
So..Falklands NOT COLONIZED...territory or People
Argentina...GENOCIDAL ETHNIC CLEANSING SPANISH COLONY.
@Raul , You have a lot to say for a decendent of European Immigrants
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 excellent post.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor William, keeps repeating the same falsehoods. “The UK will respect and defend that choice and we look to all members of the UN, including Argentina, to live up to their responsibilities under the UN Charter and accept the Islanders’ decision”: Yes!, And we're going to believe ! When are ignoring all UN resolutions, now this type requires respect this false view.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirates: let us say it again: At least since 1965 at least you lost and why do all these theaters illegitimate and desperate. If the Malvinas Argentinas were “british”, what need is there to make an inquiry?
This continues to demonstrate what Argentina always said kelpers: British implanted in Argentina.
@@Raul, What's it like to always be on the losing side????
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are living in the past mate. The future is bright and very British down there.
1. How can you hope in this day and age to remove a settled population that have been there for nearly 200 yrs
2. After this referendum result how can there be any doubt what those residents want.
Whichever way you look at it, the Argies are completely screwed on this matter, there is absolutely nowhere else they can take this, economically, politically or militarily.
Argies, just give it up.
Jose you simpleton, there are NO UN resolutions in place!!!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact Ban Ki Moon the head of the UN said just that last month and also stated the UK was not in violation of a single resolution!
I'm sorry you can't accept the truth and have to keep lying, just don't expect anyone to believe you and quite clearly nobody does.
@15 just heard Alicia castro on sky news too, what a horses ass.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0apparently according to castro The Falklanders are not a “peoples” with recognized human rights to be able to hold a valid referendum and refered to the UN resolution of 1965, and that its a territory issue to be disputed by UK and Argentina only supported by the whole world, and how the falklanders can be easily absorbed into argentina just like the welsh immigrants to patagonia 150 years ago, without losing their identity or way of life.
what about interests, human rights , The FREEDOM to choose?
sorry Falklanders argentina says you are not worthy of such a luxury.
and its just as well they will never have a chance to make that call.
SELF-DETERMINATION.....has no exclusions and Will not sit down!
@21 José Malvinero
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice try José, but the only country ignoring UN resolutions on the Falkland Islands is Argentina. The only UN resolutions relating specifically to the Falklands relate to Argentina's illegal invasion and to resumptions of negotiations. The British government has repeatedly offered negotiations .. and the Argentinian government repeatedly rejects those offers.
There is no UN resolution calling for negotiations about sovereignty; yet Argentina, in a flagrant disregard for both C24 and UN General Assembly resolutions, makes that a precondition for re-entering the negotiations which it unilaterally withdrew from.
Argentina breaks even more UN resolutions by attempting to impose and economic and cultural blockade against the Falklands, in order to blackmail the population into submission .. a policy which ironically has the exact opposite of the desired effect.
@21 The head of the UN said the UK wasn't ignoring any resolutions, so how come you're now accusing him of falsehoods? It's either you telling lies or the head of the UN. Which is it?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, Argentina signed the 1850 treaty of perfect friendship, which in all purposes accepted British rule over the islands and was a declaration made during peace-time. Under international law you have no claim.
... how sad does this make you feel? very?
I think the best thing to do is for us all to simply agree that Argentina is a deadbeat when it comes to playing this diplomacy game. They have shot themselves in the foot so many times that they haven't got any legs left to stand on.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@José Malvinero Sorry to call you stupid but there really is no other word so here you are once again from the horses mouth so to speak
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban Ki-moon and colonialism: people should be able to decide their own future
“Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said UK is not violating relevant UN resolutions referred to the Falklands’ and more specifically on colonialism, he argued that a prevailing impression is that “people living under certain conditions should have a certain level of capacities so that they can decide their own future”, be it independence or some kind of government in their territories.”
NOW the only major resolution that was ignored was resolution 502 passed in April 1982 TELLING Argentine forces to LEAVE The Falkland Islands immediately which they chose to ignore-why do you never want to discus that??
aloso when you are talking about an inplanted population please refer to your own history by way of SPANISH PIRATES you are decendents of European Immigrants-care to discuss????
If I hear another Argentine territorial nationalist say 'you can have a 100 year lease on the islands' as if they have anything to offer the falklands islanders in return for giving up a home that they have lived in longer than the Argentinians, then I'm going to puke.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*he pukes*
@25 She is deluded, does she not see how pathetic she is coming across with her racist remarks & blatant disregard for people's basic human rights!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She stated all these UN resolutions and international law that the UK has broken or not abided by, the UK has broken no UN resolutions, they are the only ones to have done so and it ended in nearly 1000 lives lost.
They should just repeat that comical interview over and over and everyone will see for themselves just how pathetic and aggressive the Argie stance is regarding the islands and the occupants.
Arg reaction to Falkland Islands democracy show that most Arg are stupid. Not only President, not only Foreign Minister but Ambassador and people too.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How come so many stupid people in one place?
@32 It's because all the intelligent natives were killed and replaced with 'recently colonially implanted' mindless spaniards mixed with a few high ranking nazis.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro was not sent to London because she is a seasoned first class diplomat she was sent as a fiesty uneducated loud mouth woman who thinks she can get away with her stupid pranks and remarks,no wonder Aerolines Argentines went down hill and bancrupt with people like Castro working for them.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not stupid but very very greedy and very very dishonest.
Most Argentines know the truth, Think certainly has admitted it on these forums. The rest is smokescreen.
Spain vacated the islands in 1811. Had the Spanish stayed and the inhabitants voted with the rest of the Viceroy to become independent, Argentina would have a case. However, nobody disputes that at the point of Independence, the nearest UP inhabitant was 1000 miles away.
The 1833 incident is laughable, but the soundbite “Britain expels Argentine Authorities in 19th century colonialism” sounds so much more grand than “Britain peacefully requested that 50 vagabonds, deportees, rapists and murderers return to the mainland that they'd left just 2 months previously!!”
The Argentines know this, but as Simon says...it's is united against a common enemy, a cause to feel cheated, an “if only”, an excuse for all their inadequacies.
It's pathetic, greedy, dishonest...but then, sadly they are common traits in Argentinian politics, look at who they elected President.
@34 I think Aerocampora's economics went south because their great economists like kicillof 'shout at me on a boat' bergstein couldn't actually run a monopolised company let alone a country. Instead Maximo's La Campora repatriated 2.7 billion USD that was supposed to buy a new fleet of planes, and La Campora 'skilled' pilots drove into a french plane on the tarmac.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact this unknowledgeable uncouth ginger lady probably couldn't ask 'chicken or fish?' without releasing a mouthful of abuse is secondary.
@32 its the product of a lifetime of institutionalized populism indoctored from the cradle to the grave by power hungry governments, same for the majority of south american countries.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the Latam way......but it works,
“Stupid”..who knows,
easily and blindly misled....for the majority, for sure!
Why does dear Alicia seem to spend all her time talking to Argentina Radio Stations? Is it because nobody in the UK wants to listen to her? Or do they already know what a poor communicator she is once she has got passed asking if you want ham or chicken sandwiches?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkEMS7diuDc
Arg remind me nation of Forest Gump, only was very lucky!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, she not ginger, bush disclose
11 GFace
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or you say is true. The 1982 invasion was wrong. It was a genocidal junta. Cristina Kirchner sent them to jail genocidal military. But you forget the genocide English around the world in 500 years. The evil that has made Britain Argentina during the story. Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). Before 1982 UK dialogued and supported a dictatorship. Now I do not want to talk to a democracy. So who is the liar or shameless?
Please .... Do I have to follow?
18 Monkeymagic
Dear Monkeymagic
Calm down and read clearly what Alicia Castro says. You have to listen to other opinions and other authors bells. You have to understand and read what it says resolution 2065 and the committee of United Nations Decolonization.
Your comparisons with North and South are not valid. They are not simple as you suppose. To understand the conflict you have to understand the historical and social processes that were carried out. When Argentines were expelled in 1833, the social context and the process is racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 19th century English. Remember that Argentina suffered four British invasions. (1806-1807-1833-1845). With the respect you deserve, you have to study Latin American history and you will understand. No one is innocent, all committed genocide. But clearly the English context of genocide by the world in search of economic and territorial conquests.
19 Andy65
@ Raul, have a lot to say for a descendant of European immigrants.
I am a descendant of Europeans and Indians, even Buenos Aires. To your surprise, 56% of the population is mestizo Argentina. But it is useless to give my opinion. These full of hatred and resentment. Prove your constant insults and grievances toward all that is Latin American and Argentine. That speaks ill of you.
20 jeffski
@ 18 excellent post
It is an excellent post, but his intention is insulting as it does every day. Unfortunately Andy65 insults do not know everything.
Say Hague that no, we vote no.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40 This is yet another example of how deluded you folks are:
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul says, “The 1982 invasion was wrong. It was a genocidal junta.” ... so, the millions upon millions of Argentines that came out into the streets in celebration of the start of the 1982 War of Aggression clearly wasn't the genocidal junta it was a popular war and supported by the masses of Argentina.
“Argentina suffered four British invasions”.. considering Argentina didn't exist in 1806, 1807, et cetera.. it's hard for the British to have invaded a non-existent political entity.
“You have to understand and read what it says resolution 2065 and the committee of United Nations Decolonization.” ... one was nullified by a war you caused and the other partisan body no one listens to. Keep posting irrelevant resolutions though, that were nullified by a war you caused.
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...
Seriously Raul, do you know that you're an imbecile?
Warning! I will take the present list! Hands up those forum members who live in the islands! Let's see ... NONE! So it's easy to be a nationalist and defend the right to self-determination of a territory which is not inhabited. If you are so islanders, as it takes your luggage and return to live in the islands. Bring your children to develop as a person, to exercise their profession in the islands. Never do that! Why? know very well, the islands is no place for your children to live the rest of his life. Actually the islands became a retreat, is a nursing home. There are only the elderly who want a bit of peace in their old age. And spend his last days in peace. Young people are fleeing from there, returning only on vacation or Christmas. So we as a people do not exist!!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see that Sharon Halford and Mike Summers have arrived in Washington to lobby administration officials and members of Congress.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obamau mau needs to be held to account for the disparity in US policy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20130309/lt-falklands-referendum/?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=media
@XAVIERV You and I had this discussion yesterday.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How the Islanders live as nothing to do with you or I,where you get this stupid notion from that the young people flee the Islands and never return is a joke,they hasve one of the highest GDPs in the world and recently Chile as suggested sending its young people to The Islands to learne English,so please do not concern yourself over such matters you should concern yourself more that the Argentine Ambassadore to The United Kingdom Alicia Castro is now almost BEGGING The Islanders to become Argentine-it really is becoming a joke.
Argentina would now be better to get on with there internal problems as you lost any credibility back in 1982 with an illegal invasion which rightly so The Islanders will never forgive Argentina for.
DESPERATE MEASURES FROM A DESPERATE COUNTRY.
Hurrah for self determination! Its been one long party this weekend and there is a warm fuzzy feeling in the community today, very proud of being Falkland Islanders. Thank you to all who expressed their support, it is much appreciated.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hangar-time 42
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously Raul, do you know that you're an imbecile?
Pathetic and sad. As usual insult and ridicule what you do not know. I understand your disappointment at the referendum. Everyone said so. Not solve anything. The sovereignty dispute remains.
As Ambassador Alicia Castro said: “A vote for no purpose”
Read the following link:
A message from an Argentine on Yahoo both in Spanish and English
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To all who claim the islands, really want to condemn these people to live the way we live, they want the Kretina be your president? I thought we were a civilized people, I applaud the vote, let the kelpers live in peace
A todos los que reclaman las islas, realmente quieren condenar a esas personas a vivir de la manera en la que vivimos, quieren que la Kretina sea su presidenta? Creí que eramos un pueblo civilizado, yo aplaudo la votación, dejen a los kelpers vivir en paz.
I BELIEVE THAT SAYS IT ALL.
45
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear, it's true. Also you recognized that no one wants to live on the islands, because no future, no matter how much money you have. Argentina has a lot of internal problems. Perhaps, UK also has no problems? There therefore still have colonies stops everywhere. And now you confirm my point. The islanders are no longer a British colony, but are a Chilean colony. They have my vote to join Chile or Uruguay! But independence ever!
Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Ban Ki Moon said that no perminant members of the security council were in violation of any relevant resolutions, what do you think he meant?
The resolutions you quote became irrelevant when YOU invaded. Stop blaming the Junta, Raul...it was you, and people like you....you sicken me with you lack of responsibility for it.
So, the UN resolutions are irrelevant according to the secretary General so I don't need to read them, but I have anyway, and they call for us to resolve our dispute peacefully. So, which of Argentina and the UK has not been peaceful...who has the blood of 1000 people on their hands Raul...oh yes..you!
The C24 is a joke. The Ecuadorian in charge even said that it wasn't a Decolonization issue, so nothing to do with them...therefore the rest of his opinion is his own and not as chairman of the committee, which in effect is a complete failure as they've not seen the “decolonizing” of a single territory in decades, despite at least 14 of them not considering themselves colonies at all.
So, finally you want me to listen to Castro. Why when she openly lies?
no “original population was expelled” LIE 1
“ no UN resolution says the islanders dont have the right to self determination” LIE2
“ the islanders are an implanted population” only if all the America are...LIE3.
So there you are Raul, I have read your irrelevant resolutions, seen that the C24 have said its nothing to do with them, and dismissed your Ambassador as a liar.
now Raul...you can look at the evidence contrary to your argument...
1) self determination
2) there was NEVER an Argentine population
3) 1000 people's blood on YOUR hands Raul...YOURs...how d you sleep at night?
@49 You raise an ongoing point which is that the islanders have no choice but to increase their permanent population either by each having 14 kids or immigration. The other thing they need to do is to think about how they can attract the right sorts of people to the islands in order to grow their economy in the way 'they choose'.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 Sure, their constantly blaming the junta for what Argentina believed to be a just and popular war makes me want to puke.
There is a strong rumor that the president is going to lead the country, to talk about the Malvinas issue. Measures were announced. Some say, it will suspend the air contact with the Americas.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always said that traveling to Africa, to leave the islands, it would be a nice adventure .. LOL
#17 you can't be living in the USA, or at least born into the American cultire to say “we do not like to make too much noise”!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/51139792/#51139792
What did you say?
@40 “The 1982 invasion was wrong. It was a genocidal junta.”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which your current government CELEBRATED with coinage! You mint it, you own it. Just as the US minted a coin celebrating Wounded Knee. The Japanese, their special edition paper currency honoring their soldiers who pacified Nanjing. The Russians and their organized famine of the Ukraine. Oh wait. They never did that. But your 2 peso coin speaks volumes for your current government. Vicarious fascism towards the Falklands.
Yes it's 50 shades of shit from axel and Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) please feel responsible for something Britain DIDN'T do in 1833, (usurp the islands and expel an Argentine population). NEVER happened...but
2) Argentina doesnt have to feel responsible for either their genocide or the Falklands invasion, we should just sweep them under the carpet as the land is “shared with the indigenous” and the 1982 invasion was the “Junta”.
So, they would at best like us to share sovereignty of the islands with them...and at worst give sovereignty to them.
We could offer to “share” with them and enshrine in the Falklands constitution as they have in theirs. Where all remaining indigenous (after their genocide) are entitled to equal say (content in they are massively outnumbered).
We could offer that all Argentines remaining on the islands post the peaceful eviction (59 people for two months) can have equal say in the islands future...there we go all sorted...Argentine style.
As for this “Junta” argument. it is sick. Disgusting. Nothing the trolls (including Timmerman and Castro) spew is more disgusting. I've said it before, imagine Angela Merkel standing in front of a map of Poland with a swasstika behind it, saying come on you negotiated with Hitler.......sickening, gobsmacking...if you don't get it Raul...this is why the UN resolutions are no longer relevant...neither is the 1938 Munich agreement.
So..end of story really.
Islands still British, 99.8% of the population agree, and there is nothing Argentina can do....Peaceful settlement achieved.
@56 Monk, that;s just it, isn't it though? Merkel would never stand before a Nazi flag that was planted in Denmark during their invasion and wax nostalgic. She would never say that Germany is incomplete without East Prussia. She would never cry foul every time there was an election in Czechoslovakia and sneer at how the “Czechs are voting to stay Czech” and how it has no value. And then to add insult to injury, absolve themselves of the Shoah and the rest of their crimes against humanity since the Christian Democrats aren't National Socialists while saying that the Jews are really not a “true” “people” (with separate “whatever” quotes of course).
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But this is what we “expect” from Argentina, because sadly, it's all their governments do.
It looks like Obama is “taking note” but nothing else.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed. Yet, Raul and axel can't see that it is EXACTLY what they are doing. Unbelievable...gobsmacking...sick feckers.
GFace, wait a second...which coin was that? I'm an American...which coin did the US mint celebrating that?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Coins certainly have been minted by the Franklin Mint, like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEC-29-1890-BATTLE-OF-WOUNDED-KNEE-BRONZE-COIN-/360116237688
But the Franklin Mint is NOT associated with the U.S. mint, as it's not really a valid coin. It's a collectors coin.
@52 - I do hope she does shut it down; as that would confirm to the world she is childish, petty and vindictive as we all know her to be. It would also prove that despite all her efforts, she has lost. Utterly, totally and comprehensibly lost. So not only will her legacy be one of ruining a country with great potential, but also she failed miserably at the one thing she did focus on. Impressive.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@60, While FM will make lame “commemorative medals” of ANYTHING (probably even a “Paris Welcomes Careful Drivers, August 31, 1997” to go with Viz's “Princess Di English Breakfast of Hope” commemorative plate), in modern times there have been no wounded knee quarters or similar coins. I was being a smart @$$, see also @56-7 ;-P
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59, yes, the total tone-deafness of AR on this has been just stupefying. And since people are married to them via borders and geography, including US State which takes the same stance on the FI as they do with Taiwan.
Hague calls on all countries to accept results of Falklands’ referendum and support the Islanders
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/////////////////////////////
No disrespect sir,
But what will you do , say , to those who refuse to accept this result,
We want to know,..
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The Obama administration’s response to the Falklands referendum is insulting, wrong and mean-spirited'
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
'Alicia Castro: “Argentina can recover the Malvinas”
The ambassador in London said the referendum conducted by the islanders “irrelevant,” “We are working for a peaceful and diplomatic,” said'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
'The Falklands government: “We have no desire to be led by Argentina”
One member of the Legislative Assembly warned that the referendum was “a message” to President Cristina Kirchner'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
''There's no much clearer expression of people's self determination than this,' Islands Governor'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
Fantastic video on this one...
'Government's harsh message to Cristina Kirchner Malvinas'
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100206526/the-obama-administrations-response-to-the-falklands-referendum-is-insulting-wrong-and-mean-spirited/
@Raul, Sorry you find me rude simply for putting the truth to you,it is more than obvious you have problems with your history no matter how you look at it you are born of European immigrants who settled in South America just like The falkland Islanders settled in The islands.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now if you want to know what rude is then listen to your law makers when they say that The Islanders DO NOT EXIST,THEY ARE NOT A PEOPLE,THEY DO NOT HAVE A VOICE-what kind of talk is that???? Your country might have sheltered many but NEO NAZISM is over my friend that was defeated many years ago,so as we say if you can not stand the truth then of you go but I will not be changing when challening your lies and propoganda fed to you from an early age.
@65, US State's attitude appears deplorable (and well.. it is) but State has always had this level of ambiguity with the FI given our entangled alliances. The last House Rep who visited the Islands articulated this. And the fact that US Gov reps are unofficially visiting the FI much as they visit Taiwan. One problem is of course that the current administration has a rep for not being the best of friends with the UK, but I suspect that Romney would be playing the realpolitik game, hence the safety valve providied by visits by Petri and the normal backchannel talk (though Sensenbrenner probably should have stayed at home). That said, I wouldn't begrudge the UK if they denied us the rest of this season's Dr Who.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did someone say there is no young people on the Falklands ?
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FfdX_OpSFSo
@4 Raul
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you tell me that Argentina does not want to change our way of life, in 1982 the first thing you Argentine thugs did was to change our life, so pi*s off and leave us alone, one day you might need us so stop trying to sh*t on us.
We said it would not be long,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0///////////////
Falkland Islands referendum: who were the three 'No' votes
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9925693/Falkland-islands-referendum-who-were-the-three-No-votes.html
• When will the Spaniards who rule Argentina leave the Falkland Islanders alone ?
To hell with those who would sell out the Falklands islanders
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9925693/Falkland-islands-referendum-who-were-the-three-No-votes.html
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Many I argue here that the island is a beautiful place to live, their inhabitants have much money and that's an incentive to stay in the islands. If so can tell me the following: Because the population of 2392 islanders who lived in 1911, 2841 happened just now in 2013. Grew only 18% in 100 years! I have the answer, no one wants their children to live there, because there is no future for them. That's why this forum who say, absolutely all, living outside the islands. British soldiers soon, just take care of the rocks and penguins. Do not worry, we will remember as a ghost town!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still no love for the Falkland Islanders from the U.S. Department of State.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3QWSQJD8yI
The fact America doesn't love democracy any more doesn't mean we shouldn't all rejoice in it. Kind of exposes this mythical 'special relationship'... sort of like a special child. The only 'special relationship' the USA has is with Israel... FACT.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should get on with life and focus on our real friends who we have 'normal' relationships with (Canadia, Oz, Kiwiland, et cetera).
Some now say,
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That we as an independent nation with a free will to do our own bidding,
Should now just ignore the USA,
We know it’s not the people, just the president,
And thus we should now show our own independence by ignoring the president, and thus prove we don’t not need their permission to remain in and protect the Falklands,
If we have to defend them all alone, then so be is,
Another victory for British democracy,
And shame on the rest.
Just a thought.
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@XAVIERV How the Islanders run there life is there business just like you allow a woman like Cristina Kirchner to rob you all blind thats your choice you get what you vote for so just respect the Islanders wishes
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 I still don't really understand why people think we should listen to the USA anyways, all they seem to do is blame us for haliburton's inability to use concrete and then they give $6bil a year to israel to develop weapons that they then try to sell to argentina to kill british people.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of sad that in 2013 people are still expecting the USA to do the right thing by supporting democracy in arabland AND elsewhere. Kind of sad that we still care what they think.
Oh well... we're hardly alone. The commonwealth and EU still seem to like democracy, and they're our 'real' friends.
commonwealth [yes]
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the EU,
lets hope so.
@77 sure... Hungary doesn't look great at the moment and Spain hardly seems to care about Gibraltar's democratic wishes, when the Guardia Civil are kidnapping people out of their boats.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 075
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear andy65
Whenever you run away to the other side responds only because the population grew only 18% in over 100 years? Step of 2392 islanders who lived in 1911, to 2,841 in 2013 now.
If my statement is incorrect, correct me with arguments and not my point offenses. It is for the children to study and do not return. Well or not?
Enlighten me with your basics .. I'm waiting ..
This isn't about who takes a position for or against anyway. This is about the Islanders deciding on their own future. From now on, any attempt by Argentina to change anything will run into a self determination brick wall. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can make the Islanders do something they don't want to do. It's all good from here on in.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm certain the people of the USA support the Falkland Islanders, any rational nation would, but unfortunately in the US its all about the president and Obama hates Britain. The reason he hates Britain so much is below...
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The real reason President Obama loathes the British... his grandfather was tortured in a high-security Kenyan prison'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287828/Revealed-Why-President-Obama-loathes-British.html
@80 you've already seen the argentine rhetoric change to that of ethnic cleansing, whereby they somehow own the land under the islanders feet and feel it is right to send the residents elsewhere for daring not to want to be Argentine.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to have a referendum in one's pocket though. Normal countries like Canada, Kiwiland and Oz will see it means something.
@71 XAVIERV
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because the population of 2392 islanders who lived in 1911, 2841 happened just now in 2013. Grew only 18% in 100 years!”
Love the cherry pick there mate. You fail to take into account that the Argentine invasion renewed the islands economically and politically - something the Argentine government spits chips about.
Here's an interesting comparison:
Argentina had a higher standard of living in 1911 than it does now! What happened in the past 100 years? Are Argentine's lazier?
Perhaps if they worked harder and didn't concentrate on futile pursuits such as the Falklands then they would be richer.
@83 yes, they are lazier, and have considerably more nazi german genetics.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 083
Mar 12th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 30 years, the population grew by less than 100 inhabitants .. You have been renewed vero economically and politically .. LOL
Not yours, never have been, never will be. Moan, whinge, beg for them has much as you like, your never getting them. My bet is, 100 years from now, an independent Island, with a UK defence treaty.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79.@85
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0XAVIERV Wait until the OIL starts flowing in 2107, Maybe,just , maybe the FALKLANDERS will buy Patagonia, of course by then the Republic of argentina may not exist.
My bet that in 100 years, some independent penguins in a ghost town .. Of course, protected by the royal armed forces ..
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, I hope you Brits don't get too irritated with us because of Obama's position. You know we still love you, right? With all your cute Beatles and Bangers & Mash and Mary Poppins and bitter beers and all that.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But as I recall the U.S. wasn't too supportive during the actual Falklands War. I think we were worried Argentina would want to work with the Soviets or something if we fully supported you.
At the moment we have a ton of Latinos in the U.S., and so we don't want to irritate them by jumping into this, and also, since Chavez just croaked, we kinda need to play both sides of the field.
But we still love ya. You guys can keep Beckham, though.
@85 XAVIERV
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you were talking about population growth in the past 100 years. Now you are talking about it in the past 30. Then please give us the statistics for the past 30 years.
How low did it go?
@89 We know you love Israel, and that's about it, so no we know you don't love us.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did work with the Soviets, and with the Israelis. Which is curious because at the time one of them wasn't your best friend (Rocky 4) and the other was your best friend, giving them weapons. Not surprising because at that time you were also fundraising tax free for the IRA to blow up British People in the streets.
Curiously the same IRA people you paid for were then found in Colombia training FARC rebels making them a sort of american state-sponsored international terrorist group, who trained in Libya, destroying your pipelines.
If that's love... urm... you can keep it.
@89
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have lots of Afgans and Iraqis in our country but we still support you, that's what friends are for.
@89 - xevioso
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay we'll keep Beckham, but Piers Morgan is all yours, we don't want him back!
87
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The dream of every island, which Argentina disappear. Argentina's population is growing at 10% per decade. You? 1% .. I see how it would take over Patagonia .. LOL
90
At first talk of the vegetative growth of the last 100 years is only 18%. And in the last decade grew less than 1%.
@89
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you may have opened a can of worms there
Independent Falkland Islands, has a nice ring to it. No rush of course, when they are ready, when they are ready. UK sovereign Base Area for the necessary defence forces. Hopefully not to big a population, hate to see the place change to much.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95 It's always the same old “don't you still love us even though we paid people to blow up manchester city centre and we don't really like you” can of worms where we jump about like some weird S&M gimp-pet demanding some kind of special relationship while they go and hold hands with Israel, argentina's source of weaponry.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny. I guess it's dickensian humour.
@89 - little US support? Apart from Sidewinder and satellite intelligence not much support. Hmmmmm
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about Obama? He will be gone in four years. Just before the oil starts to flow!!!
@89 - xevioso - no worries mate - on 9/11 I worked 36 hours straight in London to re-route our US trading via London infrastructure, and on 7/7 I handed the London desks over to my US counterpart and he handled them brilliantly. We know who are friends are when it matters.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were kinda hoping that you'd keep Beckhams wife though.
Nah , she can come back, they can keep the pout!
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I will just sit on the fence and see how things pan out, then a decision will be made, don't want to upset the natives.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi guys, I'm new on here but have been keeping up to date on comments and views.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very sad that this issue has brought our countries previously to war and the current situation. The Falklands are a small and friendly nation who are doing their best in an inhospitable part of the world. They fear the Argentines and so wish to continue to align with a friendly power ( who wouldn't ). At some point Argentina will have to accept the situation, war didn't work did it, no friends have been made with the islanders, legally they are on dodgy ground and Britain via it's own standing, the EU, the Commonwealth and NATO cannot be bullied like some.
It's a shame to see a country like Argentina, with all it's riches and it's wonderful people degenerate into what can only be described as a colonial bully. Shame really.
@94 XAVIERV
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, 2, 1000 or whatever the population, you will never get your greedy little mitts on the British Falkland Islands, I and my children and their children will make sure of that, like we have done for 10 generations already!
@99Orbit
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't he playing for the French now or something? I think we can both agree they can keep him.
@98 we gave some material support, but not much else. I think the U.S. opinion on this is that it is something we want to stay out of as much as possible. But I will tell you that the vast majority of Americans or on the British side. We do remember the Falklands War, and there is a connection between the Brits and U.S. that goes way back.
@93 He's probably gonna be gone soon. You Brits are lucky, it's so much easier for you to come into the U.S. with all your hoity-toity Victorian accents and speak with authority, and people will listen to you, because to the average American, the accent sounds high-brow. But Piers Morgan is really just another blowhard.
@91 We do love Israel. What of it?
“The Secretary-General has taken note of the referendum. He reminds Argentina and the United Kingdom that his good offices remain available if both parties engage.”
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/sg/offthecuff/index.asp?nid=2738
The Secretary General ain't telling ....
Think/McDod
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Production in YPF in 2012 falls 12.% in line with the strategic plan presented last August, Galuccio asserted. ( Buenos Aires Herald ) A strategic plan to decrease production by 12.2% hes having a laugh.
@104
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual most Americans and British tend to support each other. It's just a pity that Obama wants to sit on the fence. A lot of British people are getting a bit fed up of this tbh and even the most conservative of us are beginning to think that we would be better off with our Commonwealth friends (who treat each other as equals) than continually being stitched up by a 'special relationship'. The USA president may not like us but the USA has no other friend that is as supportive as the UK. However, this Falklands issue could just be the straw that breaks our back.
103
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lie, you or your children do not live in the islands. Maybe one day you return to live your old age, as many do. Because the islands has become a retirement home. But your kids will never return! Only ever holidays!
@107
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either with us or against us, no good sitting on the fence.
Look Shed, we yanks truly love the UK, despite you driving on the wrong side of the road, chunky plugs and misspelling color. We have gotten over the revolution, 1812 and in time we may even get over Duran Duran and One Direction. (But send us Jedward and the Cheeky Girls and it will be as over as it is with us and Spain after the Los Ketchup Incident).
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But seriously. In 1982, the ground-level US support was for the UK. Americans were frustrated with Jeanne and Al's Cold War relpolitik towards Galtieri and it was clear that AR was an aggressor and the FI should be liberated. In 2013 we STILL remember 1982 and AR's stance wins little friends outside of US State. More still US State recognizes the status quo. The Falklands are a BOT and will remain so until the Islanders so wish. There is nothing AR, the C24, or any state or political hack can do about it. The stance you see is State's default position and takes in to account AR's head case nature and our (western) hemisphere alliances. But rest assured if there were a strange change in the laws of the universe and AR could and DID attack AGAIN, no executive branch would be able to remain neutral and to your side we'd come in a cold-war free world. If that doesn't satisfy you consider how US State would respond if the PRC were to attack plucky democratic Taiwan. Night, meet day.
As for Israel, I can sum it up this way: “Where we'd rather sit is where we'd stand”. While we are divided on the west bank settlements and related matters, we identify more with the admittedly imperfect democracy that is Israel than the trainwreck that is the PA. Likewise, we prefer London over Buenos Aires. It's not a “nuanced” stance to be sure, but it ain't rocket science.
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Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This sounds like the sort of “election” that Saddam Hussein and Robert Mugabe used to hold. Do the deluded Falklanders think Cameron will protect their borders when he throws our open to every criminal on the planet? Perhaps he could ship a few boatloads of Romanians and Bulgarians down there and then they can discover what it's really like to be British.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4837228/Brit-hooray-in-Falklands-vote-as-whopping-988-vote-to-remain-in-the-UK.html#ixzz2NMqGXpVC
It's just what I think!
@110
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is what most people believe. The problem is that if say China or Japan were to claim Hawaii. The USA would know we would stand with them. But if our PM were to say, 'we recognise the USA administration as de facto but take no position with regards sovereignty ' most Americans would be pretty hacked off.
@112
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We could sell them armaments and advice and after a few years we could offer them moral and combatitive forces ( WW11 springs to mind)
@91,110 I don't think anyone is arguing the right for Israel to exist, or whether the Palestinian Authority is more or less morally culpable than the Israeli Government. The issue here is that Israel is an ally of Argentina and supports them with weaponry and expertise, just like they did in 1982. Their historical foreign policy has included such greats as assassinating Churchill's friend, blowing up a hotel full of british people, actively helping the Argentines to kill british people, and using british passports when assassinating people.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat, the only special relationship the USA has is with Israel. This is a FACT.
'You' might like British people, even when you emptied your pockets into the green buckets on St Patrick's Day, helping 'the cause'. However, 'America' clearly does not... choosing instead to celebrate thinly veiled theocracies as democracy in the middle east, whilst refusing the same 'honor' to others.
Get over it, we all did.
@112, no argument, there (it'd be a fitting comeuppance for this administration). I mentioned earlier on in the thread how I thought the current stance is crappy to say the least. This particular administration has a lousy reputation for taking our allies for granted. While in 1982 there was the Cold War two-step going on in 2013, there is no such pressing division of priorities and allies (indeed, AR has chosen to align with an adversaries VE). But the current stance is perceived to be one having little risk by the administration. O/K is banking that C/H will growl but not take any action to compromise our alliance. And likely they are balancing it against SA taking some childish or passive aggressive stance against the US should “State” do the right thing and explicitly say that the FI should be left alone to the status they just articulated. (Plus we are not privy to backchannel exchanges between US and UK.)
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@xevioso, Obamas stance does kind make a mockery of American foreign policy though you can't go around the world preaching and forcing democracy and self determination on people like middle east then ignore when it suits kinda SUCKS don't you think.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#111
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he throws our open to every criminal on the planet?
Could you translate this into English please as it means absolutely nothing.
@116 They noted it!! By george, did they note it!! They noted it once, they noted it twice and noted it thrice!!! Then they celebrated democracy in Saudi Arabia.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@115 GFace, this is all true, and believe me most Brits accept this and have done for quite a long while. As a child of the 50's, I grew up and experienced the 'special relationship' more than most. I just think it's about time that realpolitik was put to one side and actual beliefs and moral stances were adopted. China has no problem in saying that it supports Argentina. Why shouldn't it, it will help China in its own islands dispute and stops Tibet going its own way. However we in the west are supposed to believe in democracy and the rule of law. At the very least we should remember who our real friends are. Backchannel exchanges do not keep the general populace on side and a bit of open honesty would be welcomed.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this one of the reason Argentina refuse to take there fairytale sorry case to the ICJ
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flickr.com/photos/53629230@N02/5040513492/
@120 I like the comment about the 'la campora' operative's argument being based around the Argentine government running out of crayons. The argies don't seem to mention this map, which was produced after 1850 when they signed the treaty of perfect peace.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their sophistry seems to rely on leaving out large chunks of history.
@120 Andy
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your link does not work - did the trolls get angry and bomb the Flicker server farm???
try a search latzina map 1882 you will see The Falkland Islands not shaded in the same colour as Argentine land meaning the governmant of the day reckonised they were not Argentine, also Chile used these maps over the beagle dispute and won so perhaps one reason why argentina will not use the ICJ route
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0search Latzina maps 1882
@104
Mar 12th, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Note that a large number of people in the UK despise piers Morgan too :). Probably why he went to the US. Please don't send him back!
He seems to be used by UK comedians as the benchmark for a slimy weasel with no moral fibre. We have many words that describe him, none of them nice.
Thanks Andy - got it working!!
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very clearly Argentina did not deem it theirs - unworthy of topological features
@120
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0it's an odd thing that for all the jingoistic nationalism on one side (e.g. the Sun)and self-hating useful idiocy (e.g. Guardian) on the other, that in no Falklands story this week has there been a picture of that map or a reference to the 1850 settlement. The Falklands is one of those rare issues where we really are in the right and yet our own media focuses on proximity, oil & imperialism etc and other such red herrings.
@124 My favourite is Cat Dooley who 'went to the US' and now seems to spend most of her time on adverts telling bored housewives how happy she is now that she's turned her back on brunetism and taken up the mantle as the queen of bottle-blondes.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0'oh, i'm having such a blonde moment... oh, I'm so blonde'..... silence
A British think!:
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I have argued that the British Parliament should do a deal now shared sovereignty with Argentina, because someday we will have to accept that the integrity of sovereignty is in the hands of Argentina”
http://www.abc.com.py/edicion-impresa/internacionales/diputado-britanico-por-cogobierno-en-malvinas-548329.html
Jose, its like hell freezing over, its never going to happen. Get a life...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0#112 that's a lame argument considering that Hawaii is a US state. Re-state that with Puerto Rico, Guam or the Virgin Island and it would make sense. Tell me, does your Leader ever take a position that is not in agreement with the people or the Houses of government? You aware that members of congress have been bitching to Obama about his position. But really, you can't compare the Falklands to US State. And before anyone jumps on me, if you been here a while you all know my position on the Falklands and the UK......if not....read.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@128 THANK YOU for bringing Gearge Galloway to this forum take a look at this video the man is a national disgrace if this is the best you can do as you can see he clearly states at a peaceful meeting I DO NOT TALK TO ISREALIES
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzIXdQiaRBc
I think most Brits here would be happy shipping this man to Argentina TOMORROW
131
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, please, no need. We have nearly 3,000 okupas without passports, illegal, in Argentine territory: Las Islas Malvinas Argentinas. We do not need more.
@130 The sovereign government (queen Liliuokalani) of Hawaii was overthrown by the USA, a pro-US committee was then put in place to rule the territory and then it was accepted as a US state ... while the hawaiian people descended into alcoholism and obesity. It's not in any way similar to the Falklands.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0A closer position to that of the Falklands would be the US policy of 'manifest destiny' whilst looking at Canada, or Mexico wanting its land back.
@José Malvinero, Kirchner, Castro, Timerman, GALLOWAY they are all suited they all believe that not all people should be heard or exist take my word this nasty Scotsman would be well at home sat next to The Botox queen perhaps he could inplant her.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@119, well when the oil starts flowing, I wouldn't begrudge the FI oil interstes one bit of they asked our oil companies to kindly wait over there in line for what deals may come...
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0...right behind the Argentines.
If they ask why, the Islanders can hand them a photocopy of their statement. If only O were still on office when it happened. There is going to have to be some political fallout for this and he and Kerry need to feel the sting of it soon and have no doubt as to WHY they're getting chill right back. It'd be doubly fitting for the GOP-controlled house (and hopefuly a Democrat or two along for the ride) to pull a Pelosi-goes-to-Syria on O by sending a full delegation to the Islands (not just Petri but their Foreign Affairs committee members) to shame Kerry and Obama by going there to formally acknowledge the Islander's vote.
134
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I did not understood “a knob”, moron. You wrote in Japanese?
@108 XAVIERV
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lie, you or your children do not live in the islands. Maybe one day you return to live your old age, as many do. Because the islands has become a retirement home. But your kids will never return! Only ever holidays!
I'm not a liar, I was at the Green last night with one of my son's celebrating the 99.8% I have lived here all my life and i'm sure I will die here as a British Falkland Islander, as for you, no chance of living here, unless you want to be a British Falkland Islander. I would bet my family have been in the Falklands longer than yours in Arg. God Save the Queen!
@136 - you want to understand what a knob is ? Look in the mirror.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@130
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we know that your State dept takes positions that, like our FCO, are often at odds with the mood of the nation. Brits often bring up the equivocation of the US position over Irish Republicanism and yet the FBI were solidly against them - we could have hardly asked for more. It's still a shame though that the wording of the US statement had to be quite so cold. We're all adults and weren't expecting a change of policy but when you are going to let an old friend down you sugar the pill somehow. The frostiness was palpable and things like that get remembered.
(PS I had a couple of great years in the States and am a nailed-on Yankophile so have no axe to grind)
108 XAVIERV
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklands.gov.fk/nuestro-islas-nuestro-hogar/
This is just for you; a little book about young people living in the Falkland Islands. They are all real people, and they all really do live in the Islands. Including the lawyer, and the doctor, and the scientist. I'm quite interested in who they didn't include- could have done volume 2 and still not run out of fabulous young islanders.
You really are such a liar.
Take by force, plant settlers, declare democracy.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0(then act the victim)
N.Ireland, Gibraltar, Malvinas/Falklands.
Same old story.
@José Malvinero , Listen grease ball educate yourself perhaps a little trip over to The Islands for a crash course in English if you could afford it
Mar 13th, 2013 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0shall we add Argentina to the list? well at least Take by force, Kill all the indigenous people, then try to claim most countries around them. The only difference is that Argentina does not, due to corruption, have a democracy.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take by force, plant settlers, declare democracy.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0(then act the victim)
ARGENTINA.
Same old story.
@Vestige If only your version of events was true-whats the inflation rate today in Argentina
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@141 Vestige
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can tell you suck in Cretinas Bullsh*t, try to learn a bit of history from the world, oh I forgot..... your not allowed to import goods are you, that is what i was talking about, your country is so corrupt, but you can't see past your nose.
Just heard CFK quoting Norton-Taylor from the Guardian & taking great pleasure in his pro Argie stance regarding the Falklands referendum. Maybe he should go & live in BsAs for a while & experience the left wing, militant, Bolivarian government for himself
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/09/meaningless-
falklands-referendum-uk-sovereignty
Also she was crowing about the lack of support from the U.S. in recognising the referendum ....... So much for friends in time of need ehh!!!
Ah well, I guess it's the status quo for a while longer
a message to all the Argie trolls, keep you nose out of our business, the Falklands were British before you colonists from spain and italy became Argentinian.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok all you Brits and Falklanders. I put this petition up on the White House website. I need 100k signature for them to pick it up, I suggest you sign it.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/support-our-longtime-alliy-united-kingdom-their-position-over-falkland-islands-and-not-argentina/yXQ3C5xd
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Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0A message to all usurpers: Las Malvinas Argentinas are Argentines as the “British” were kicked out in 1770 by the Spanish of the island of Trinidad where, when not!, had been installed surreptitiously being that the archipelago was Spanish. In 1774 they leave definitely the islands and when belonged and inherited by the new Nation, appeared in 1833, after 59 years, to make another “of their own.” We maintain “our noses” in our affairs: in the Malvinas Argentinas Islands. Your stupid staging of last Sunday, does not fool anyone.
Perehaps the American ambassadore to The UK might like to change the following statement that can be found on the homepage of his embassy web site.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 013 February 2013- ”The United Kingdom and the United States share a world view. I know of no differences between us when it comes to our foreign policy objectives. Everything we do supports the other
@149 Captain
Mar 13th, 2013 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thks for the link, consider it done
@150 Malvado
Regardless of who did what to whom in the 1830´s, the fact remains that Britain won a war in1982 & the Argies surrendered unconditionally. It also helped to bring down a brutal dictatorship for which the Argies should be eternally thankful instead of crying for over 30 years that ´we lost but it wasn´t fair´. To the victor go the spoils …….Uti Possidetis De Facto!!!
@150 I guess that only works if you assume you inherited the islands, which you didn't really. Spain never gave them up to you and they were already disputed at the time. Fact is, Argentina, UK, Spain all have reasons for and against ownership at various points, hence the wonderful mess we find ourself in. However, Given that the islands have been settled for better or worse by the UK for 180 years I can't see any change coming soon.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Hague calls on all countries to accept results of Falklands’ referendum and support the Islanders”
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Hague
Is easy to fund unknown observers but not that easy to find countries to support
your colonial circus.
“UK on track for triple dip”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9924954/UK-on-track-for-triple-dip-NIESR.html
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Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Accountability forces only settled in the Malvinas Argentinas. Argentina, the rest of the Argentine armed forces, never gave up. That the “brave” “british” will have to invade, if you dare, the Argentine mainland.
There was no declaration of war, there can be no unconditional surrender.
Tuesday 12 March 2013
Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“This isn't self-determination. It's a Ruritanian colonial relic”
“The vote for British rule in the Falklands referendum dodges the point. It's time for a negotiated settlement with Argentina”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/falklands-vote-ruritanian-colonial-relic
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Mar 13th, 2013 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good link Marcos!. Always recognize the British intelligence: Newton, etc. More and more Britons are showing. Start using your head with the same gun he used his government. Looks like he shot backfired.
The Guardian is constantly anti-British, there's no surprise that it supports the Argie point of view. It's losing so much money that it won't be around for long anyway, so don't think CFK can run too many more of her little adverts in it.
Mar 13th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would be surprised if you can find any more papers prepared to take this line of opinion as they wouldn't want to go against the prevailing British opinion of support for the islanders.
@155 - Jose
Mar 13th, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you actually read what you've just posted?
So in 1982, only the occupying Argentine forces on the Islands surrendered, and the rest of the Argentine forces in Argentina didn't?
Yet what did these brave forces in Argentina do then? Did they all get together to reinvade the Islands?
Er...no...they did nothing. Your leadership (such as it was) wobbled, wobbled then fell.
There is no need for the UK to invade Argentina (although I can tell that you appear desperate for us to liberate you from the likes of CFK), because the Falkland Islands are British.
Nothing Argentina can ever do will change that. Only the Falklanders have the right to change it.
So Argentina will continue to humiliate itself on the international stage, by sending those muppets you call diplomats, to beg and crawl and cry and lie to anyone who will listen.
The main problem is, that because your President and her government are so useless and inept, that they've overplayed this 'card'. The minute any of them open their mouths, everyone else switches off.
But in the meantime, you can celebrate the decline of Argentina into another default. You can clap and applaud the wonderful CFK, whilst she's legging it out of the country with bags stuffed full of your money.
Then you can keep yourself warm, and stave off hunger, by dreaming about the mythical malvinas.
You Argies really do embarrass yourselves and shame your country,
Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your leader is delirious and deluded
She refuses to recognise the result, and then heaps insults on the British and Falklanders,
And the world listens and watches,
There is no way we will let the Falklands be handed over to a modern day tyrant and its indoctrinated bloggers.
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1) Latest from BsAs:-
Mar 13th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mauricio Macri the mayor of BsAs was is so impressed with the vote in the Falklands/Malvinas & the concept of self determination that he is pursuing the idea of BsAs seperating from Argentina using the same priciple
This would free him from the constant interference of the CFK government, the leftist anti business, anti middle class, anti democratic policies which inevitably harm any major metropolitan city & would also make him The President which is what he desperately wants
Last heard of his advisors were trying to contact the Governor of the FI & RIOM to organise such a referendum
Millions of Argies including Raul, Doveoverdover, Marcus & Malvinero are lining up for their DNI to the new independant BsAs wishing to be free from socialist, militant, Bolivarian policies that are destroying Argentina :-) :-)
idea of BsAs seperating from Argentina using the same priciple
Mar 13th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0no doubt he will have our full support.
Is this for real? Homer Simpson hitting the bottle again....so sad
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