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“Britain, Argentina need to find a political solution”, says Gulf News from UAE
The following editorial on the Falkland Islands issue was published by the United Arab Emirates Gulf News.
The referendum by the 2,500 inhabitants of the British-administered Falkland Islands has not contributed to finding a political solution to the dispute between Britain and Argentina that has run for centuries. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules'more than 100,000 Argentines of British descent ' wishing their grandparents had caught the boat to Australia.......
Mar 18th, 2013 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders have spoken, end of discussion. The UK will always protect our OTs.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two hundred or a hundred and fifty years ago it was entirely different to land in BA or Stanley. As now, for different reasons. Yes, Argentina has a large community of British origin. No, this doesn't make Argentina right.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The balkans are an example of a 'political' solution !! So what is so good about politics ??
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0A solution based on human rights seem a better option :-)
TWIMC
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Think, frantically taking notes in the “La Campora” bunker buried some 300 meters down the Giant Volcanic Caldera at Piedra Parada, Chubut )
I must remember following line for future use....:
“The obstreperous colonialist do not have a blank cheque on English policy”
Chuckle chuckle
Aww Think, your missing out the rest of the paragraph. Allow me to continue it.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“but it also needs to make clear to the Argentines that there has been nothing illegal in the British presence in the Falklands since 1690.”
Snigger Snigger.
But do you understand what it means El think?
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is wrong to allow the minute electorate of 1.500 British citizens to expropriate its resources in the South Atlantic.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Citizens of the UAE, a neighbour of yours has a spurious, tenuous claim on your lands dating back 180 years. That neighbour has a basket case economy, is an international pariah, has deeply entrenched corruption and is run by the intellectually incompetent. They also claim you do not exist. Lets call that neighbour Iran. Which is quite fitting.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like to get involved in any political discussion giving that neighbour say in your future?
(8) Mr. McDod
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0England is wrong in believing that a minute electorate of 1.500 English citizens can be used as an excuse to expropriate Argentinean resources in the South Atlantic.
@ 5 Dear boy, is the misquoting of the phrase a typo or more likely another perfect example of an Argentinian mind at work. The original phrase does not refer to English foriegn policy, it refers to BRITISH foriegn policy.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this misrepresentation of what you read and the truth happen naturally or do you have to have special training?
#10
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0What ARGENTINIAN resources would that be ?
The ones that the Argentinians are trying to STEAL from the rightful owners ?
Think - DoD - THink - DoD.... *yawn* Its the sock-puppet convention again.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0One person posting as multiple idiots!
Think,
Mar 18th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Say after me............
The resources do NOT belong to Argentina....................
The resources do NOT belong to Argentina.....................
The resources do NOT belong to Argentina..................
etc etc etc ad infidum
@12 If only we (non-Argentinians) could agree who the rightful owners are it would help to work out who should be paying to protect them.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Whereas you have the distinction of being a truly unique idiot.
@15
Mar 18th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0We non-Argentinians are very clear who the rightful owners of the resources are...the licences were granted by the FIG and all relevant taxes and duties will be payable to them.
What they will do with these returns is entirely up to them.
@14
Isolde, even if Think were to repeat those lines “ad infinitum2 it would take years to undo the learnings of schoolboy Think being forced to chant ”Las malvinas son Argentine”.
@16 I pay my income tax to HMRC but the money doesn't belong to them now does it? Putting that and your obviously incorrect assertion that you speak for everyone not Argentinian aside, the money is going into the Consolidated Fund and is ring-fenced for oil related development. An interesting political decision that and one that ought to be tested in the Assembly election later this year.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain has better things to do than protect the UAE or other Gulf states, yet it will do both if it happens. Britain has better things to do than guard Europe against the Russian Federation, yet it has done this for 50 years. Britain has better things to do than fight insurgents in Afghanistan, fight terrorism world wide. Britain has better things to do than protect International shipping against Somali pirates. Britain has better things to do than... to listen to Gulf News. We will protect our people and their lands for as long as they need it and we will not kowtow to an childish unfounded illegitimate claim to our sovereign territory.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8, 10
Mar 18th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you proposing that ownership depends on population density?
Maybe Argentina should give up half of its land to the UK seeing as its population density is almost 20 times less....Or Patagonians. They shouldnt have a say in how they run their province should they..?
@19 I can't speak for Sr Think but for my self, no. It depends on title and the title is with the United Kingdom. This is a possession after all.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Patagonia?
Mar 18th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think its reasonable that if a peaceful community has developed, that has endured the hardships of living in a very testing environment and largely in isolation especially over a significant period of time then they deserve the riches that come their way.
The cost to the UK taxpayer is insignificant and will become less so. If it was significant you can be sure that most UK taxpayers wouldn't be happy about it.
@19 I concord with Mr. McDod in the population density question. Ownership depends on a lot of factors, including the respective Argentinean and English titles.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A minor glitch is the current English Military Occupation of them Islands.
@1 Frank
Mar 18th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't they now!
So glad mine caught the right boat.
@10 & @8 think Dove
Mar 18th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, the falklands cannot be british because only 3,000 people live there for such a large place, is that your thinking? Well this is nonsense of course. Greenland is a huge island and yet its population is a mere 56,744 (approx), each person having 38 sq kilometers of area, simple mathematics reveals the falklanders have a mere 4k sq. So when will you start trying to claim Greenland?
@17
Mar 18th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I clearly don't believe that you pay your taxes to HMRC, but more likely to the Argentine tax authories, and therefore legally you taxes belong to a variety of hedge-funds and creditors...but no doubt this will be renaged upon.
However, as far as the oil revenue is concerned, what you are referring to is not oil revenue it is a small amount of taxation payable by the explorers, and will rightly be reinvested to ensure and promote future oil development in the islands.
When in 2017 the actual revenues start to come in, I imagine the correct vehicle will be similar to a Norwegian or Singapore fund, where investments are made for the good of the islanders.
Interestingly, you wish also to speak for all non-Argentines, and suggest there is a disagreement. Whereas, the facts are clear, they don't suit your 9or other Argentines) distortion that ”the british (should or do) want the oil revenues”
Another “liberal” “democracy” supporting the AR “claim”.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be consistent with their foreign ministers concept of territorial “completeness”, Argentina must surrender the eastern half of Tierra del Fuego to Chile, since Chile already controls the islands (incl Cape Horn) to the south of the Arg sector and both sides of the Magellan Straits are Chilean. This means that RG's travelling by road have to cross through Chilean territory to get to their southernmost province, a situation that (given RG's history of bullying tactics) sooner-or-later will lead to war between the two. In the interests of world peace they should give up hanging on to this colonialist remnant - the sheep will be relieved too.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24 I can speak for both Sr Think and for my self, no.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100000 error...more 350000 descendants of British,a branch of my family is British, cameron!! so 2500 persons is negligible!!Malvinas Argentinas!!!!
Mar 18th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“@13 Whereas you have the distinction of being a truly unique idiot.”“”
Mar 18th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i'd rather be an idiot than a sock-puppet who is so insecure in his opinions that he has to make up a fake account to agree with himself.
Who is the idiot in that equation i wonder... the “person” who claimed to be at a certain meeting in the UK as “proof” of his legitimacy..but then turned out to be lying (there was no such meeting).
Or the person who claimed to be looking out of his window at a ship in port... which wasn't in port.
I rather suspect the “Idiot” label falls to the person who cant even fake a proper proof of him being a real person, than somebody who merely points out to others that you are nothing other than someboody elses imagination.
You are a fake, a charlatan, a liar and a buffoon THinkoDoD.
@30 I'd rather read a one line put down.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 & @30
Mar 18th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two, quite good one-liners...... :-)))
@32 Thank you for saying so. Dog walking calls. Perhaps that CANADEM Press Release will be posted up when we (the dogs and me that is) get back.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember some treats to Nelson and Nigibson..... from Think .....
Mar 18th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Dove & Senor Think
Mar 18th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it seems this is one of those special magic rules, a special magic rule that only applies to the falklands.
Yet another argument lost Dove, Think. I marvel at your ability to spew out Argentina's case, even when there is more nourishment in celery soup.
@8 No. It's not. The UK, Britain, has learned many things over the centuries. It has learned about freedom, democracy, rights. It tries to live up to those ideals. Argieland doesn't even try. It may be that Argieland has heard the words. It doesn't know what they mean. How many British citizens does Argieland have to attack to justify a war? ONE! “Think” about it.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Why? Your “country” illegally and unconstitutionally expropriates anything it wants. We will, legally, take anything we want. And you are IMPOTENT!
@15 WE are agreed. What you “think” is your problem.
@17 You have a problem? Your taxes go to HMRC because it is the government department working for a Minister of the Crown. Technically, the taxes are levied by the Sovereign. The civil servants in HMRC also work for the Sovereign. So, once paid, the taxes are the property of the Sovereign. And they are dispensed, as appropriate, by Her Majesty's government. So, to clarify, it's not your money. It is paid, legally, to Crown servants. Who are also NOT employed by you. The Falkland Islands are a different matter. It is, in essence, a separate country having an association with, and under the protection of, the British Crown. The Crown does not interfere in its internal domestic matters. Except insofar as may be appropriate to ensure good governance. How the Falkland Islands Government disposes of its money is up to it.
@22 “Occupation” is, as you know, the wrong word. The British military are there by invitation. If required by the Falkland Islands Government, British military forces will leave. Not something argie military forces (joke!) would do. And therein lies the difference! Oh, and argieland has no title. It's just a dream. Similar to the ones about argieland being a wonderful “country” and having a “thriving” economy.
Ah
Mar 18th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolve resolve,
A political solution”
But the solution has been there all along,
It’s always been there,
Tell Argentina to leave the Falklands alone,
See its simple is it not,
Sadly just a little bit hard to implement,
We say,
If the British government, took of the straight jacket, and treat the world as some treat us,
If we treated Argentina, in the same way as they treated us,
And we was just a bit more aggressive, perhaps we would not be in this catch 22 in the first place,
Lets face it, [its coming]
We all know it is, sooner or later, [ its coming]
Its just a matter of Cameron and his famous ring fencing..
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Mar 18th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 Proud Argie
Mar 18th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Proud and Argentine... what an oxymoron.
I hear the slums of Buernos Aires are growing daily. Best you sort your citizens life styles out before you worry about the Falklanders.
Falklanders GDP per capital far exceeds those of most argentines, this being the case and falklanders being losers, where are you in the grand scale of things.... nowhere to be seen.
Keep Calm the British are.... already there!
Think & Dover out “together” for lunch & siesta I take... “odd” how they both stop posting at the same time... and start posting at the same time....
Mar 18th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0----
“The situation will remain the same: the Falk=slum=Landers will always complain about the “argentine goverment harassment”:”
Easy way to stop that Argie: stop harassing them, but at least you ahve the courage to admit you are harassing them.... though there isnt a lot else you can do.
I mean, being nice & peaceful neighbors OBVIOUSLY isnt an option is it? /sarcasm
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Mar 18th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Xect
Mar 18th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you expecting El Thicko to understand and think, before he has learnt to read?
@41 Proud Argie
It is not harassment. It just makes you a racist scrote.
41
Mar 18th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not so much anti-
Rather than pro tyrant.
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#43
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU are the tyrant....bloody rubbish jack the ripper
people have the right to choose
bla bla bla.
Mar 18th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think and Argentina
Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This issue isn't as hard as you like to make it out to be. You want the islands? Simple: get an economy as good as, or better than, UK's, so that you can lure/offer the Falklanders something other than poverty, war, and oppression.
This is such an elementary thought, that the fact you can't see this ^ means you're utterly brainwashed.
You get more flies with honey than with vinegar. You don't win a population over, or do the right thing, by attacking/oppressing/impoverishing them. Duh
@46 mastershakejb,
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That approach may have worked once, but it is far, far too late now.
Who could consider it after all they've said & done?
And if they now offered honey instead of vinegar, we would look at them with contempt.
We will never progress until they get the idea out of their heads that they actually have “rights” here.
They have no more “rights” to these lslands than say, the Republic of Moldovia or Egypt or Japan.
And of course, as you say, who in their right mind would want to be part of their economic meltdown?
Thanks for the offer, Argentina, but no thanks.
@34 Dogs treated but still no press release from CANADEM. Anyone reasonable might conclude there wasn't one for some reason.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0In reality this is yet another difference that war or political pressure has not resolved. Why. Because territorial disputes in other parts of the world have been fought and lost because of Religion. The Falklands were a discovered land unoccupied and happens to be in a prime position of access controlling the Southern regions. Unfortunately for Argentina who did not exist at the time feels they should have been allowed to have these spoils.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0This argument will go on for centuries to come and will cause many more displaced people in Argentina and like always a people who are trying to go about their daily lives in peace will be caught up in it.
The world is a changing place but for many this has not been accepted by Argentina. What happened 200 years ago or even centuries ago is no longer relevant because world opinion has changed. The vast majority wish for the current human race to live in peace. This will never happen while we still have dictators around who totally ignore those wishes. It is also the very reason we still have so many wars around the world today. The democracies of the world are united and growing and will one day prevail.
Without democracy the world would be an even more violent place to live in.
Countries who defy the rights of another people will be punished and could even be destroyed by others and is this really worth it for something that is not worth fighting over. At the end of the day it is people who suffer not the land in question.
The long term solution is to become united and share each others wealth and skills. that way the world becomes a much better place to live in.
“Britain is wrong to allow the minute population of 2,500 to dominate its foreign policy in the South Atlantic and Latin America.”
Mar 20th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0No it is not wrong according to the UN Charter.
It doesn't matter how small the population is-most of them were born in the Islands-their birthplace, their birthright, like everyone else.
Yet people from G.Britain built the place, administered and guarded it for a century, went to war with Argentina, people from G.Britain died there, its head of state is in G.Britain, 1/3 of the population come from G.B, G.B spends 60 million a year protecting it, it has the UK flag everywhere......but 1600 voters want to keep land the size of N.Ireland and 10 billion in possible oil just for themselves, while the 60 million of their own people who have paid to guard them daily for decades will get nothing, also the settlers dont give a jot if Argentinas 50 million and the rest of latin are pssed at GB.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont think this will go UN-noticed in G.B. the hypocrisy will be seen.
@51 You are not alone in seeing the selfishness. The readers of the Daily Telegraph had the opportunity to read the, now much regretted, words of John Fowler and draw their own conclusions.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9917947/The-fate-of-the-Falklands-is-in-the-islanders-hands.html
“... people justifiably say, 'Look, in the present situation, you have the best of both worlds. You are supported by Britain militarily, but you are not paying British taxes and you are actually better off than Britain”.
The reason we want to keep our Land is because we that is the Falkland Islanders do not want to be administered by Argentina . Is that not simple enough, pluss given that we hav esetted these Islands long before Argentina actually existed as a Country . Pluss we did not remove an indigenous people to settle the land and the biggest Pluss of all is that The Falkland Islands are part of a soverign state called United Kingdom. Those half wits that think we should be a part of Argentina because we are so close to them needs to stop and think then why is Cuba not a part of North America they are closer to them than we ar ecloser to Argentina. Fact is it has nothing to do with position of closeness but one of an Argentine obsession to own the Islands.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That will never happen and each year Falkland islanders grow in wealth and very soon we will have th efinance to support a protective force way superior to any Argentina can muster.
Best thing you could do right now is shut up.
the hypocrisy will be seen
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes 51
yours..
@53 The Falklands belong to a sovereign state called UK, they are not a part of it. You just voted to tell the world that you want to keep it that way. In other words, you all said you were happy not to be living in a part of a sovereign state, be it UK, Argentina or anywhere else.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We voted to tell the world that we wished to remain a part of the British overseas Territory 55 Doveoverdover . No matter how you twist it. Now I am going to ask you a very straight question. If as Argentina claims we should belong to them because of our geographic position. Can you answer in honesty why The British territory of Saint Helena which lies in the southern hemisphere does not belong to it's closest Country Africa.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because we have identical circumstances in that we are territories of Britain so how do you propose we change that eh.
@55 Dod,
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) You'll be fully re-imbursed when the oil starts flowing.
2) The UK will then have a reliable source of cheaper(not free!)oil.
3) The UK will benefit from jobs & providing infrastructure to the oil industry.
4) The UK will have a handy reliable base to patrol the South Atlantic & the sealanes between Antarctica & S.America.
5) The Army have a great training area.
What else do you want, mr pretend Brit?
Of course none of this suits Argentina,
But we don't give a rat's arse what Argentina wants.
@51 Vestige,
Same applies to you with one addition,
Keep your nose out of our business.
This is NOT your land, never has been & never will be.
Fix your own broken country.
Thank you, the two.
@56 I do not and will not agree with your premise that the Islands belong to Argentina because the coast of Argentina is closer to the Islands than the coast of Great Britain. I'm frankly surprised that you should advance such an argument. I will however share with you my vision of a United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the Overseas Territories all, including England, with devolved Regional Governments and all outside of the European Union.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@57 Thank you, please have that debt added to the Falkland Island Account retrospectively so that we can all grasp the extent of the backdated compound interest. Once you've done that one of us will come down and explain to you that the hydrocarbons produced in the UK EEZ around the Islands will be sold on the world market for the best price because we are still, fundamentally, a free market economy. The same goes for the contracts for the infrastructure projects. As for the Falkland Islands being a great training area for the Army......
You had your chance to rewrite the 2008 Constitution and you fumbled it. From now on get ready watch the cash strapped UK Government slowly renege on what you think it has promised you regarding the control of the resources and the revenue.
58 Doveoverdover . So what is your actual issue with the Falkland islands. Why is it so undesirable to be left to live in peace in a place of our choosing under a government of our choosing.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0It matter snot one bit if Britain requests or takes or asks for the revenue fro the oil. Falkland Islanders as individuals really do not care about world monetary greed they simply just want to be left ALONE to conduct their own affairs without Argentina trying to interfere all the time. As for you 58 Doveoverdover . I guess you have had personal issues with the Falkland’s. Maybe you once lived here among us but was unable to impose your desired changes upon us and left with a bitter feeling.
Maybe you would like me to come and threaten your very existence , take your home and your wealth. Have you ever stopped for a moment and considered what it would be like to be in the position of being bullied. Probably not as your tone of writing suggests you are set for life and to hell with anyone else.
If you are a Britain why the issue.
@59 Obviously you didn't live in UK through the compulsory purchase era of the 1960s and 1970s.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the matter, DoD?
Mar 21st, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Been refused entry?
60 Doveoverdover Aha so you do have an axe to grind. Well You know the saying dont bring your problems to work.
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