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For Argentina’s tax-revenue office Afip, Malvinas are a foreign territory, most probably British
Despite persistent claims before the world, and his Holiness, that the Malvinas Islands are Argentine, for the tax office in Buenos Aires in practical terms they really are a foreign country, according to the latest resolution which applies an additional fee of 20% to tickets and overseas expenditure with Argentine debit or credit cards. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTypical Argentinian confusion. So whilst Cruella rants on that The Falklands are Argentinian, her own tax authorities impose rules that confirm what the rest of the world knows, it is a BOT. She is so intent on robbing the Argentine population she hasnt noticed that her government have shot themselves in the foot ....again. .. pure comedy.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Money speaks the truth, it seems.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0no comment from Think... could this be another tricky situation for Cruella that cant be blamed on others?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0bwhahahaha guess somebody in the Tax Office is in trouble
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even the Argentinian Government recognises that the UK administers the Islands.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're seriously stupid people.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously Stupid
money talks ballshit walks :-)))))))))))))))))
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems expensive to be an Argentine abroad.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You couldnt make this stuff up, Priceless! unlike the Peso lol
@9. Who are stupid people and stupid coke heads? Argentine tax office? argentine government? Cruella and her crew?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 010. Pretty soon there will not be any Argentine's abroad. If CFK is in much longer she'll have exhausted all the financial restrictions on traveling so she'l be forced to issue Exit Visas like Cuba or N Korea.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 10 years the world will be like Dorothy going to OZ from Kansas for Rgs from black and white to color. Just like it was from the 60-90s.
The story keeps repeating and they are too stupid to make the changes necessary.
I wonder whom they will blame this time...
1905 - in March, the first cargo of whale oil arrives in Buenos Aires from Grytviken. Argentine Customs officers tax it as an import.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing changes :-)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103643219/Falklands-History
@12 Yankee
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then where would Humourous Hector get his representitives from however many countries to attend his closed-door conferences where they somehow all decide that the Falkland Islands are part of Argentina?
TWIMC
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0For all Turnips who ignore the simple facts......
I'll refer to comment Nr. (6) from my Scottish financial advisor.......:
“Even the Argentinian Government recognises that the UK administers the Islands”
Capisce?
It makes you wonder why she was re-elected in the first place, I thought Cameron and Co were bad over here.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0But at least there are some elements of the Argentine government that recognise the Falklands are not Argentina. It’s quite funny. hahahahaha
@ Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Argentine Tax office apply thier rules for a foriegn country to The Falklands then they are just confirming that which the rest of us already know. The Falklands are a BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORY ... they are BRITISH not argentinian. I now fully expect to be called a turnip and for Think to try and use abuse to deflect from this latest classic Cruella cock up PMSL.
No one here is going to argue that the islands are not part of the UK!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina seems to recognise that fact.
Seems even Think has changed his tune and accepted they are not English.
I´ll repeat for those Turnips who ignore the most simple of facts......
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinean Government recognises the existence of a “De Facto” UK Colonial administration of the Islands.”
That's the pivotal point of the “Malvinas Issue”
The “De Facto” English Colonial administration of the Islands.”
Do you get it now, Turnips?
It's going to be hard for Arg to argue this point at the ICJ, if the Arg gov't recognizes the Falklands as foreign I would guess the case is all but won by the Falklanders.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rgs are a very stupid people.
talking to yourself again DoDgyThink?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I´ll repeat, again, for those Turnips who ignore the most simple of facts......
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinean Government recognises the existence of a “De Facto” UK Colonial administration of the Islands.”
That's the pivotal point of the “Malvinas Issue”
The existence of a “De Facto” English Colonial administration of the Islands.”
Do you get it now, Turnips?
Stupid losers
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't even get their own Govt entities to believe the lie any longer.
Anyone want to wager what the “blue” market peso is by the end of the day? At this rate it will be 10/1 by eom.
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Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can smell the frustration from here even on my side of the Atlantic.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is your head about to explode?
hahahaaa
Cokehead.....
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 They are not a part of the UK but they are identified by UK, the EU and UN as UK overseas territory, held as a UK possession, claimed as sovereign territory by UK and administered by UK under UK legislation with the express support of a local electorate made up entirely of UK Citizens.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not much of that even Argentina could argue about as a description of the current situation. Unfortunately for the UK electorate, some Falkland Islanders seem not now to be supporting the bit of about UK sovereignty.
@6 Even the Argentinian Tax office recognises that the Islands are british and the inhabitants have voted to remain so, under their own governence...
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15 talking about ignoring simple facts how about Argentina ignoring The Falklands SELF-DETERMINATION.
as for your MP haggis, that is the view of one british person in a country of how many? see if you can double your find..., not that it will make a blind bit of difference.....
@19 repeat all you like all you are doing is repeating Argentinas rhetoric and falsities and not the truth. Did you enjoy the referendum, Haggis??
SELF-DETERMINATION......The islanders have stated their wishes....
Or, in the much simpler Argentinean perspective...:
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0A bunch of English settlers squatting Argentinean territory......
@29 And not a bunch of Argentine squatters, squatting in Stanley Post Office.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The evolution (contortion) of Think 'thinking' on this thread:
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Post 9
Cokehead insult.
Post 15
“Even the Argentinian Government recognises that the UK administers the Islands”
Post 19
“The Argentinean Government recognises the existence of a “De Facto” UK Colonial administration of the Islands.”
”The “De Facto” English Colonial administration of the Islands.”
Post 24
Cokehead insult.
Post 26
Cokehead insult.
Post 29
“A bunch of English settlers squatting Argentinean territory......”
@Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think the Cypriot government classes eastern Cyprus as a foreign country? I sincerely doubt it; more likely they will consider it occupied territory.
Thats where the penny drops. You're dumb gov is allowing it's departments to conceed that this land is foreign, not occupied. If it really had any nouse it would tax them the 20% under a new - seperate law insisting that taxes apply to all 'occupied' territories.
You snooze you loose.
Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0De facto is Latin for 'in fact'. So the Argentinian government recognises that 'in fact' the Falklands are British (not English) territory. Even your tax offices do.
You must be frustrated by this story, because all you have done is insult people, put your foot in your mouth, and you are now trying to do some furious 'back-pedalling'.
@27 DoD
The Falkland Islanders are moving to a point where they can see in the future that they will be an independent nation in their own right.
They still won't be Argentinian though.
But I'm all for the deluded one, CFK to continue to flog this dead horse, because the more she does it - whilst ignoring the serious problems facing Argentina - the more the population of Argentina are going to get fed up of it, and start saying “who cares about the 'Malvinas' what about Argentina, that needs sorting now.”
@29 Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A bunch of English settlers squatting Argentinean territory......”
A bunch of English, Scottish, Welsh, Norwegian, Swedish, German, St Helenian, Dutch, French, Argentinian and Chilean settlers living perfectly legally in a land. Pretty much like Argentina really .. except that there was never an indigenous population.
Think- so if the Arg Govt recognises the de-facto UK Administration of the Islands - then how come it refuses to talk to it and publicly claims that it and its people do not exist?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even the Junta were a bit better that Christina,s shambles! They classed it as Arg territory - much to the glee of the Arg Air Force crews who operated the LADE flights in the 1970s and flew back each time with the plane full of Scotch,Cadbury,s Dinky Toys and whatever else was the imported goods in hot demand in Argentina - and the Customs in Commodoro Rivadavia airport had to let it all in free of tax!
Think is thunk.... I mean sunk. Seems to have slunk off defeated into his pit... Besides being an oxymoron, this all reeks of oxymoronisms...
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too difficult for a Swede, outmanoevered, outargued, ... Superturnip.
Settle down, Think, or you'll blow a turnip, err l mean you'll blow a gasket.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old Chief Squatting Turnip.
His dreams have turned to turnips, err l mean ashes.
Now, Think, are you going to argue with your own turnip department, err l mean taxation department?
Peace
Dear All,
Mar 20th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a quick comment in support of Think, the phrase “de facto” in Argentina has conotations that it doesn't in Britain, or for that matter the rest of the world. It is so closely identified with military governments that it has come to mean “unconstitutional”, so poor old Think immediately sees “de facto” as “illegal”!!!!!!!
It's the same position the the US takes - it recognises that, in reality (“de facto”), the UK administers the country, and there are competing claims over it.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people that this move will hurt most are Argentine relatives wishing to visit the Argentine cemetery at Darwin.
Low hanging fruit always takes priority over Nationalist principles, even for fascists and wannabe colonialist overlords.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s not for us to say,
But we think,,,,
He is having a nervous break down,
Everything he says or does is usurped by the brits,
Everywhere he turns the brits are their,
Every speech and comments is rebuffed by brits,
Ah well
British, British, and more British, He is being haunted by brits, day and night,
He even dreams of the British,
Just like the unmighty CFK.
Ya canny win sir, boy ,son , mate,
Ya just can’t canny win.
Lololol
(35) Islander1
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Think- so if the Arg Govt recognises the de-facto UK Administration of the Islands - then how come it refuses to talk to it ......”
I say...:
We have been here before.....
Argentinean officials are always willing to talk to the proper English officials, anytime.
Your English BOT Governor, whatever his name is today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_the_Falkland_Islands) may meet our current Fuegian Provincial Governor, Fabiana Rios, anytime....
Your English Foreign Minister Hague may meet our Argentinean Foreign Minister Timerman, anytime....
Your English Prime Minister Cameron may meet our Argentinean President Kirchner, anytime....
Your English Queen Daisy may meet our Argentinean Queen Máxima, anytime....
Your English Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin may meet our Argentinean Pope Francis, anytime......
I'm positive that if any of your Puerto Estanley FIG local government wants to speak any of Ushuaia's municipal officials, it could be arranged in a jiffy.
Think is displaying such a turnip obssession that I'm beginning to wonder if it's actually Baldrick posting on these threads.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the British Governemnt is always ready to talk to the Spanish king and Spanish prime minister...however, we recognise Argentinas role as an independent colony of Spain squatting on Land usurped through the genocide of Amerindians and therefore have in the past talked to Argentine leadership on matters concerning their province.
We recognised the de facto invasion of the Falklands by the Spanish province of Argentina and took action against the provincial leadership, which directly resulted in a return to democracy.
Turnip!! chuckle chuckle
What price Sovereignty? 20% on credit card purchases,that will do nicely Senor Think :-))))))))
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44. “We recognised the de facto invasion of the Falklands by the Spanish province of Argentina and took action against the provincial leadership, which directly resulted in a return to democracy.”
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And had the UK accepted the defacto expansion of theDirty War onto the Islanders by the “genocidal military Junta” that Raul pretends to repudiate, the status quo in AR would have been preserved. The “genocidal military Junta” would not have turned into a liberal democracy; rather, it would have tightened its grip on the old while it squeezed the new. Either that is not entering into Raul's moral calculus or any price the Argentines would have had to pay was worth it just to the islanders under Argentinas jackboot. Like I said, a fascist apologist in denial.
@42 Sr Think, you've single handedly caused a de facto turnip shortage in the de jure fruit and veg markets of the UK by drawing them all to you in here.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Div over Dover/Think
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch out your double act dont send you over the edge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzarAzCFU-8
@42 It seems the shortage just got shorter.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(47) Mr. McDod
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Juppppppppp........................................ I seem to attract them Turnips.
Except for you Sir, Chère Pom Isolde, Islander1the Kelp, and Vuggevise, that well hung pink Norwegian hunk......
Turnips as far as the eye can see......
@47 Doveoverdover
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An illegal turnip shortage?!?!?! That's an outrage .. better call on the swedes for help :-)
@50
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go to an RG website and see if they follow then.
AFIP, nice to know they've got the malvinas story right. It's bloody british mate, give me an extra 20%.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's nowt wrong with Turnips:
@43 Idlehands - Baldrick, Blackadder and a dream Turnip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD2iYSKHHzo
@THINK Dear Sr prick you keep refering to Your President Your foreign minister -Your an Immigrant mate in northern Europe your family fled there for a better life WHAT PLANET YOU ON you Grease Ball. POOR POOR THINK what a dreadeful situation where you have TO SQUAT in Northern Europe-I do hope your miserable family pay taxes.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talk about the “left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing”!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THINK talks about turnips because there a HUGE part of his diet POOR POOR THINK still living the life of a peasant even in Northern Europe.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have another go...
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok.......
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@THINK Dear Sr prick you keep refering to Your President Your foreign minister -Your an Immigrant mate in northern Europe your family fled there for a better life WHAT PLANET YOU ON you Grease Ball. POOR POOR THINK what a dreadeful situation where you have TO SQUAT in Northern Europe-I do hope your miserable family pay taxes.
;-)
@58)
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, all that happened was Turnip breath logged into the wrong account.
Quite obvious Dove and Think are the same person, sad twat
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 No you're not, no we're not but yes THINKEDOVER is indeed a set of letters.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 Just leave it at No and you can quit while your right.
Where your concerned Dover we are always right
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have another go...
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
Mar 20th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THINKEDOVER, needs to get help,how sad can you get creating multiple login names surely talking to yourself and answering your own questions is sectionable these days.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Lord Ton;
Mar 20th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had forgotten that part, - Good post!
@1 It isn't argie “confusion”. It's the usual argie double standards.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Except that the UK doesn't administer the Islands. The Islanders administer the Islands. All the UK does is to ensure good (democratic) governance and take care of defence and foreign relations. Even in foreign relations, the UK does what the Islanders want.
@15 All “financial advisors” are crooks. They'll tell you anything.
@19 And here we have a real Radish. Or possibly a Carrot. With access to the information that the Falkland Islands Government is made up of Falkland Islanders, (Unlike argieland, where the “government” is apparently made up of Spaniards, Italians, Jews and Germans), and that the UK makes no internal domestic laws, the Mangel Wurzle continues the brainless propaganda. Let us consider. Brainless? Deficient? Deranged? Rabid? Stupid? Torpid? Turbid?
@22 There is no “Malvinas Issue”. You can't have an “Issue” over something that doesn't exist.
@26 I guess you would know.
@27 Did you ever “have” the plot? This is important. If you've never “had” the plot, you can't have lost it. But then you'd be pretty stupid to comment about something of which you know or understand nothing. Wouldn''t you?
@29 But then, all argie “territory” is stolen, isn't it?
@38 Thanks for that, Simon. So, rather than being “cosmopolitan”, Twinky is really a brainless, uneducated peasant!
@42 Please. Why would a UK Governor want to meet a “representative” of murdering genocides? Or a UK Secretary of State want to meet a criminal with the blood still on his jackboots? Or the UK's Prime Minister with a slag? Or our beloved Queen with a slut? Or a respected religious leader with an argie charlatan. But do get your jiffy bag out and paddle across. Displaying your usual white flag.
@49 Must be difficult for you. Having to look up all the time.
@50 You misunderstand. We always need manure. That's why you're encouraged.
@55 Both Twinky and DoD know what their right hands are doing. Jerking!
Similar efforts to try to corral currency around Latin America - saw it in Perú several years ago - until they wised-up about it.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So good thing that Latin America stops at the Western boundary of the Falkland Sea!
However for Argentine would-be tourists to the Falklands, paying the extra 20% bribe to CFK's slush fund still makes a family vacation to the Falklands very worth while indeed.
Falklands great natural attractions and low crime rate are worth every extra penny or ARS peso (what a thing to call it!) extracted by CFK's régime:
Falkland Islands Tourist Board: http://www.falklandislands.com/
If you take the plane in Rio Gallegos, the price of the ticket will be domestic, however if you decide to take it in Santiago, you have to pay.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers !
Hahaha They just want the money.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The peso is dropping like a stone as I speak - at 3pm $ = 8.62
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe they just got the bill for Cristina F**K's Vatican junket, er Papal delegation.
72 Ernest shackelton
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, THANK GOD or the Papa the peso is going down !! :) that is very good for the exports of my country !! that will reactivate the industry as time ago. Ernestito, it shows me that beyond not knowing a thing about wine, you also know zero about economy...
By the way, if you do not want to travel to Rio Gallegos to take a less expensive flight , you can do it from Buenos Aires via Aerolineas Argentinas !!! from the big city srtaight to the Islands in just 3 hours !!
So thats it agreed then ...by Afip(The Argentine Government) , the Falkland Islanders and the British government... the Falklands are definitively a British Overseas Territory...SORTED !
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viscount, nop , sorry Malvinas is the same ticket to Ushuaia, just another province of Argentina... are you drinking at siesta ??
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#73
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are parachutes included in the airfare ?
@73 NO-ONE gets on an argie airline unless they have a death-wish!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 Sorry, there is a place called “Malvinas”, but it's in Cordoba. There's an airport. But that's in Ushaia. There are no Islands by that name. You might want to note that anyone who uses an alternative name for the Falkland Islands deserves to die. The Falkland Islands belong to the Islanders. NO-ONE will change that!
They call the Islands after a French place called St Malo. (Its on the NW French coast)
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their mythical name does not even have Spanish origin.
And by the way, the Falkland Islands were christened exactly that around 100 years before anybody uttered the word derived from the French Maloiunes.
Well, if the FINAL ARBITER, the tax-man, says that TFI are 'British', then they must be. QED.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Hypocrite mi amigo,
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am so glad to see you have come back to life - if indeed you ever were - as I am still patiently awaiting you reply to my question about S.Georgia. Knowing your incapacity, whether physical or mental but probably both, señor Sthink took it upon hmself to exclaim “we want it because you want it..!” Can you improve on his typically RG example of arrogant bluster? I am sure you can..!
Think - is it indeed that you have a different understanding of “de facto” then to what places like USA,Chile,Uruguay etc have?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All 3 of those nations recognise that the Government of the Islands that resides IN the Islands is the effective daily de-facto Government in charge of all relevant Govt departments for normal affairs including those of personal and business travel, airspace and maritime areas control, aviation,shipping. fishing, minerals etc.
What do you mean by “de facto”?
Oh and by the way- British Foreign Secretary ( there is no such person as the English Foreign Secretary as well you know) - did indeed offer talks to Timmerman - I seem to recall he refused - just because some people who represent the subject of the discussion were also to be there.
Question - When you have a staff meeting - do you ever have actual staff at it? Same normal logic as to what was proposed in London - have the people there who are involved and affected so as to get their input.
The other way is actually called dictatorship - or do you prefer that system in truth?
(82) Islander1
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A de facto government is a government wherein all the attributes of sovereignty have, by usurpation, been transferred from those who had been legally invested with them to others, who, sustained by a power above the forms of law, claim to act and do really act in their stead.” *
*(Law Dictionary, James A. Ballentine, Second Edition, 1948, p. 345.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto#Politics
That's what the term “De Facto” means in politics....
Here, there, everywhere.
$8.75/U$1 a 5.5% decrease IN ONE DAY!! Do the sharks smell blood in the water? Will we see 10/1 by the end of the week? 3 months Ahead of My prediction?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Holy Crap!
Buy Sugar Rgs Buy Sugar!
Think's de facto may be Argentina's understanding, but a de jure trumps a de facto ... and that's the card their opponents hold.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jees you couldn't make this crap up as Alice would say curiouser and curiouser
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83 Happily for we Brits with our closer legal association with Canada than with the USA:
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Any established government, be it lawful or not, is a government de facto.”
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DeJure.aspx
and back in wonderfully managed Argentina...big announcement Hake U$2/kilo!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are these people f'king insane or is it just me?
@83:
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet's endevour on the Islands, and he him self, were actualy seeking the protection of the British.
So by definition, ther was nothing that had ''been transferred from those who had been legally invested with them to others''
Especially when you concider that Vernet went first to seek the British Consulates approval before he ventured his idea of establishing a base there.
(82) Islander1
Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0De Facto definition...:
(Using a much better source (Canadian) linked to us by our esteened Mr. Mc. Dod)
“As a matter of fact; something which, while not necessarily lawful, exists in fact.”
And..:
”A de facto government is one which has seized power by force or in any other unconstitutional method and governs in spite of the existence of a de jure government.”
And..:
”De facto characterizes a state of affairs which, for all practical purposes, must be accepted notwithstanding its illegality or illegitimacy.”
And..:
”In a 1910 publication on the de facto doctrine, Albert Constantineau wrote:
”The de facto doctrine is a rule or principle of law which, in the first place, justifies the recognition of the authority of governments established and maintained by persons who have usurped the sovereign authority of the State, and asset themselves by force and arms against the lawful government…..”
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/D/DeFacto.aspx
That's what the term “De Facto” means in politics....
Here, there, everywhere.
Ernestito, you don't know were is the province of Santa Cruz ( 243 943 km² ) I'm affraid you don't know where is S.Georgia ( smaller than Santa Cruz ) so I won't waste my time on you.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will have a glass of wine on your name !!
Think- seems you and Dover will need to sort out tecicalities! Simple fact is:
Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your 2 neighbours who do recognise our physical and human existance
both deal with and recognise the Islands Govt as it physically exists as the “Government of the Day”.
What is Argentina,s problem in not also accepting this? It does not mean you recognise it as the only sovereign Govt and thus loose your claim - all you are doing is recognising a simple fact - it exists and there is no other in place.
Take for example Aerolineas Arg. - if they wish to fly to here - there is ONE and only ONE Civil Aviation Dept that they need to talk to to request authorisation and sort out all the aperwork - the dept of Civil Aviation of the Islands Govt.
The one based in Londan has NO jurisdiction in the islands.
A while ago, I had a mishap sailing Falkland waters. Was attended in Hospital (King Edward VII Memorial Hospital in Stanley) without any problems. However, once back in Ushuaia tried to claim the expenses at my health insurance, OSDE. Well that took some convincing. 1) Malvinas Argentinas, well what them was concerned these Islands did NOT belong to Argentina. 2) Paises Limitrofes (neighboring countries) are supposed to be included in the coverage of the insurance. Not a chance. In the end they paid me the corresponding costs what a local hospital in RG would have cost them, about 8% of the real cost... Hmmm, always easier to measure with a flexible ruler. . .
Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ hypocrite,
Mar 21st, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0typical RG bluster and frantically fishing for red-herrings.
My question was simple - even for you - what is the basis (historical, geographical, cultural, etc) for the Argentine claim on S.Georgia. After dozens of attempts I eventually got 2 replies from your Peronsit comrades...namely.
Think - “we want it because you want it”
axel - “I don't know, I've never researched that, I am only interested in the Malvinas”
surely a wine-soaked, er sorry wine-sipping, internationally-travlled sophisticate of your calibre can do better than that???
Ernestito, sorry mate, you need to have a book of geography first. try again on the elementary school.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@92 No need to talk of technicalities being sorted out, this is the regular state of affairs between Sr Think and myself. We often agree on facts but have very different interpretations of how they were arrived at and what they mean within a wider context.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our shared use of “de facto” to describe the governance situation is a very good example. When he uses it he has in mind the archaic interpretation given to the world by Europeans to help them deal with the now almost forgotten problem of anarchists before the First World War. When I use it I'm doing so in the more modern way, without any real pejorative under or overtones. Since he believes that the Malvinas Islands belong to Argentina and I know they belong to the United Kingdom we are both entirely consistent. I would therefore ask him to lobby for his Government to recognise that:
”De facto characterizes a state of affairs which, for all practical purposes, must be accepted notwithstanding its illegality or illegitimacy.”
because “the doctrine is necessary to maintain the supremacy of the law and to preserve peace and order in the community at large, since any other rule would lead to such uncertainty and confusion, as to break up the order and quiet of all civil administration. Indeed, if any individual or body of individuals were permitted, at his or their pleasure, to challenge the authority of and refuse obedience to the government of the state and the numerous functionaries through whom it exercises its various powers, or refuse to recognize municipal bodies and their officers, on the ground of irregular existence or defective titles, insubordination and disorder of the worst kind would be encouraged, which might at any time culminate in anarchy.”
And we self described socialists wouldn't want anarchy.
@77 Conqueror
Mar 21st, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“NO-ONE gets on an argie airline unless they have a death-wish!”
Like you would even know. I very much doubt that you have been further afield than Torremolinos, on a Thompson's package holiday.
A fine piece of oratory, Mr. McDod.
Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not so sure about not wanting anarchy though.....
That “deadwish” never completely died in me :-)
@96 Doveoverdover & @98 Think
Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to agree with Think there (pardon me whilst I choke and recover my tongue from deep within my throat). I think that all true conscience socialists have a certain libertarian socialist / anarchist streak lurking somewhere below the surface - but then we are down to the definition of 'anarchy' .. which of course isn't the total political disorder and lawlessness that certain dunderheads attempt to portray it as. Anarchy in the political sense is no more that than a communist is the common American use of the term to label anyone whose politics aren't somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun.
Doveoverdover in post 27
Mar 21st, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0So I can quote you on the Falkland Islands?
“They are not a part of the UK”
Did I miss a qualifier?
@77 Conk
Mar 21st, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0too right, no place called Malvinas, except in the land of make believe. Just a few clicks from Never Never Land, down the road from Middle-earth and Gotham City.
And not forgetting Umpa Lumpa land..
'Argentina won't go to war over Falklands, says Ambassador'
Mar 21st, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/argentina-wont-go-to-war-over-falklands-says-ambassador-8544779.html
'Nicas solidarity with Argentina over the Falklands situation'
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/argentina-wont-go-to-war-over-falklands-says-ambassador-8544779.html
'“With diplomacy will not recover the Malvinas”'
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/argentina-wont-go-to-war-over-falklands-says-ambassador-8544779.html
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Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@103
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie-dummy
@102 Steve-33-uk
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 3rd article is quite funny. Not only does the author, Nicholas Kasanzew, not seem to grasp anything at all about the situation, he doesn't even seem to know the name of the British Prime Minister!
Someone's knickers are in a twist here !
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@101 Musky,
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're making me giggle over Umpa Lumpa land.!
#104 troy tender testicles Tempest
Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have 10 pubic hairs!
lol
#108
Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are right troy is the wimp postin under the screen name of TTT abd Nostrils
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