Francis first beatification could be a Franciscan friar killed by Argentine military

Wednesday, March 20th 2013 - 08:35 UTC

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A Franciscan friar tortured and killed by Argentina’s last civil-military dictatorship, could become the first religious leader to be beatified by Pope Francis according to a piece in the Italian newspaper La Stampa. Read full article

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commonsense
How will cruella cope with this? Francis has found, almost by accident as this process started way before he became pope, the perfect way to show his impartiality on any politically based issue arising from Argentina
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
I'm beginning to like this Francisco guy......

FRAY CARLOS DE DIOS MURIAS
Presente!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Welsh Wizard
Sorry, clarification needed. To be cannonised you need 3 miracles (which are verified). Much as I have huge sympathy for Carlos de Dios Murias, would this not just lead to the cannonisation of every priest killed by a regime? Why is this one special?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
Hardly by accident. To be fair to Bergoglio, it was him who, almost two years ago, as head of the Roman Catholic church in Argentina, put his personal seal of approval on, and guided, the beatification process for Carlos de Dios Murias.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
(3) Welsh Wizard

Why do I always have to “clarify”things to you?

It is not a “Canonization”.
Its just a “Beatification”.
No miracles needed for that.....
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
@3 Welsh Wizard

I think you will find that you are actually misunderstanding the process of progress to sainthood .. which at this stage doesn't automatically equate to full sainthood. Blessed beatification can be granted on the basis of martyrdom – so if it is felt that he was martyred for his belief, or in an act of charity for others, then beatification is perfectly valid.

Full sainthood, or canonisation, then requires a posthumous miracle attributed to beatified's intercession.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Idlehands
I love reading about the Vatican yes-men that run around collecting evidence of miracles. It must be one of the best jobs in the world. Zero workload, massive holidays and results you can just make up on deadline day.

I wish my profession was like that.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
@7 Idlehands

All very interesting, but there is no mention of miracles here ... unless you have a miraculous insight :-)
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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Idlehands
I was musing about the general concept of miracles after it was brought up above - by you and nearly every other poster. I couldn't care less about the process that goes into beatification canonisation and the rest of it - other than finding it highly amusing.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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briton
Typical,

The very first privilege goes to and argy,

Still
At least CFK never got it,
Mind you, she is still alive.
mm
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Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
@10 briton

Are you seriously telling us that if you acquired a position of power, you wouldn't look favourably on a cause that you had been championing for the last few years?
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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briton
possably, posably not,

would you.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
(11) Vuggevise

Don't pick on briton...
He is not in your “league”...
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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briton
Yah
You tell him
Mr Think,

If Carlos de Dios Murias
Deserves it, he will get it, will he not.

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Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
@12 briton

Would I? Hell yeah .. if I had a pet project that I had the power to help push through, I'd be right in there doing it!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Orbit
@15 - so he'll be doing something for the poor in Argentina now he's got direct access to god@heaven.org. Removal of CFK and returning her “successful lawyer” millions to the country would be a good start.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Britworker
CFK thought he was looking for a an example of someone who requires beautification, she offered to kiss the babies for him at his coronation, but the screaming could be heard over his speech. So she can only kiss rings from now on.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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briton
One has to wonder if the new pope has walked into something,

controversy , CFK , corruption , dishonesty , and dropping members,

This pope has the catholic world on its back,
And the worlds problems on his shoulders,

We wouldn’t like to be in his shoes,
He is going to need all the luck he can get.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Vuggevise
@16 Orbit

That would certainly be a mission that was close to my heart, if I was in his shoes ... but thankfully I am not, because he looks like our dear departed Papal Knight, Sir Jimmy Saville, in a skullcap and a shaved head.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Orbit
Hmmm, nobody deserves that comparison!
Mar 20th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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