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On 18 September 2014, Scotland will decide if it wants to become an independent country
First Minister Alex Salmond set a historical vote in motion announcing on Thursday the date for a referendum on Scottish independence, 18 September 2014 and promising to campaign hard for the “Yes” side. The simple question reads: “Should Scotland be an independent country?” Read full article
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Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't see it happening really. I haven't met that many people who will be voting yes. Most people I've discussed it with seem to think its a bad idea.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0marcos, why?
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 2, he will play to the unemployed and the hardline nationalist (which there are not many of).
An independ. scotland canot rely on north sea oil to feed and maintain its economy and defence. However it is worth noting that it is one of the (London and the South east of England being the front runners) the most economically stable parts of the UK.
I dont think it will be an issue for many English people if they were to get independance, but to be honest i think this is all about a particular small group of egoistic nationalist who want the glory for themselves. Only to leave all the finer more complicated details to the politicians who follow.
On another note what currency will they use?
Euro? Hehe,
British Pound/Stirling? that will be capped to the Bank of England (so not a good idea),
The scottish Pound? A new currency with no international clout, and the expense of re-minted it all.
The US Dollar??
The RG Potato??(sorry i couldnt resist).
TWIMC
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Putting aside my petty political interest in the total disintegration of the United Kingdom of Great England for a second……
What joy it would be for this Argie tanist to fish the Gunn clan waters again.
Free of the English yoke, this time.
@4 yawn
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Argentina
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is how a mature country acts when a constituent part shows a desire for independence.
It doesn't ignore the right of self determination but instead allows the voice of a people to be heard.
Congratulations Scotland on your upcoming choice.
Sincerely
A Scottish derived citizen of a country born from self determination and the first to be voted into existence by its people.
@6 Anglotino,
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, l agree.
lt's Scotland's decision.
l will be sorry to see them go, if they do go, but again, it's their business & no-one elses.
Especially not embittered anti-English losers like posters #1 & #4.
@4 Squatter Think,
You do talk some utter rubbish, Think.
Give me your reasoning how Scotland is under ANY English yoke.
Examples, please & remember, dahling, NO LIES.
If you lie, you will be spanked & sent to bed with no tea.
Scotland actually took England over when their King James became an English King in 1603.
(7) Chére Isolde
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“If you lie, you will be spanked......”
I say...:
Will you be wearing leather?
Think and Marcos,
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite right that the people of Scotland should have the referendum as they feels strongly about - both ways, with current majority saying no thanks.
Glad we all agree on that democratic principle.
So please explain why you try to deny we Islanders that same right?
Dont forget many of the people living in today,s Scotland did not have their ancestors living there either 300 years ago when the Union was founded - they also moved there of their own free will.
Same as the majority of Argentina,s population - its ancestors were not there 300 years ago.
Do please explain the difference?
Oh, argieland, how you struggle so desperately. Scotland can leave the Union. The UK doesn't really care. But we can care about individual Scottish people. The ones who will suffer. Salmond is like CFK. A power-crazed deviant. Does he care about Scottish people? Not a jot. He has had every opportunity to set out FACTS. He hasn't bothered. Are there documents showing how Scotland will survive in the years it takes to negotiate EU membership? Because the EU says he will have to. He talks glibly of a Scottish defence force of 15,000. That takes care of the first attack. Where's the equipment? The UK isn't obliged to give him any. How about jobs? As people like Babcock and BAE pull out. And there are no more defence contracts from the UK. How about money? He thinks he can use the British Pound Sterling. Except the UK Chancellor says he can't. Will it be the euro? He trumpets the “Scottish” gas and oil fields for revenue. How many are the subject of multilateral treaties that Scotland isn't “entitled” to join? And how many really belong to the Shetland Islands? Who don't seem to be too keen to be part of “Scotland”. What happens when the money from across the border (£8,623 per person per year - £43 billion) STOPS. Just like that. Where will all the money come from to build all the homes needed as Scots are expelled from the UK. Who will also want jobs. Or benefits.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland will be just like argieland. A basket case. It joined our Union with nothing but land and debts. Why should it expect to leave with any more? Perhaps some Scots would like to hope that we English will take pity on them. We won't. Shove two fingers up at us, and we'll shove two fingers up in return. In fact, we may erect viewing stands along the border where we can watch Scots starve while we have picnics. A new game. Also suitable for argies. Watch a starving Scot (argie) crawl through a mile-wide minefield to get his (?) hands on a carelessly-dropped crust. “Do NOT feed the animals”.
Think will be so disappointed when Scotland votes NO :-)
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, i would......
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am English and I have known numerous Scots over the years. They have numerous characteristics, the same as the English, some bad, some good. But I have never known any of them to be stupid. This vote is not far off at all and I consider myself to be pretty politically savvy, I personally have no idea how an independent Scotland will financially support itself, let alone thrive. I am not a Scot so I don't care, but if I was in their shoes I would be demanding some answers to some pretty serious questions by now.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's an irreversible decision, I hope they make the right one.
@12
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed you will. Capital 'I' by the way.
YES Scotland
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVeQ-RuNGB4
I'm all for Scottish independence if only to get rid of the whining, ungrateful jocks. They only joined the Union in the first place after being bankrupted by their foolish Darien (Panama) colony and England offered to pay their debts.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if it happens why not independence for the English regions within some sort of federation? “Democracy” in a centrally-governed country of 60 million+ is just a farce, 5 million should be the maximum. England (with the exception of wog-infested Londonistan) should revert along the lines of the old Saxon kingdoms to which (lets be honest now) most Brits instinctively feel they belong.
Ladies and gentlemen
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I present Poster (16)
A “Honest” Englishman.
Chuckle chuckle
@ el sthink -
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take a hint - if any one of Argentina's provinces (outside of BA) were to secede any sensible RG (assuming there are any left) would rush to go and live there because for sure it would be better managed and less corrupt than the “united” mess.
It would be stupid for the Scots to leave the UK, their oil won’t last another 20 years and then what? Lots of people moving south of the border to find work. We’ve all seen how smaller countries in the EU can’t cope, i.e. Cyprus. But anything to keep Salmond and the Blue-faced nationalists happy I suppose. To be honest I don’t care either way.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well whatever they decide good luck too them, but does this mean they escape UK debt? surely the debt was gained while scotland was a part of the UK they should take half, its only fair.......
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what would happen if England decided to leave the UK with its debt????
Interested in that their age to vote in the Referendum will be cut to 16 - promoted of course by Salmond on the basis that 16-17yr olds are less lkliy to think and understand real economics etc but more likey to vote on impulse for nationalism.
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lowering of the age to 16 for the Falklands referendum was initially though about - but then dropped when we were told by the International Democracy experts and observer Agencies that no you must stick to normal procedures - otherwise you can be accused of “rigging” a vote.
Will this apply to Scotland?
(21) Islander1
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
16-17yr olds are less lkliy to think and understand real economics etc but more likey to vote on impulse for nationalism.
I say...:
As 65-105yr olds are less lkliy to think and understand real economics etc but more likey to vote on fear for change.
Shall we take the voting right from the Ol' ones then?
We take their diving licenses.......
Well Think, old chap.
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've had plenty of time to come up with some examples of Scotland under the English “yoke” as you alleged.
Making an insinuation & dodging the question is just pure Think.
Come on Think, we're waiting for your breath-taking revelations & please do not quote Mel Gibson.
@20 - Piratelove
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0This has been discussed before. The Scottish Nationalists don't believe that they should have to shoulder any of the UK's debt despite the fact that most of that debt was incurred whilst a Scottish man was Chancellor and Prime Minister.
The rest of the UK has basically told the Scottish Nationalists that should Scotland become independent, then they will have to shoulder a percentage of the debt.
However, the outcome is up to Scotland, but even if they do vote for independence, parts of what is now considered Scotland have stated that they want to remain with the Union.
I wonder how the Scottish Nationalists would react to the western and northern parts of Scotland, including many of the outlying islands, refusing to join an 'independent' Scotland, and remaining as part of the Union? I mean would they deny them their rights to self-determination?
However, the Scottish should learn from the Irish experience, where they became independent, and the Irish nationalists destroyed the Irish economy for decades to come, because they hadn't thought the economy through. Political ideals are all well and good, but when you are struggling to feed your children, it all becomes irrelevant.
If Scotland becomes independent how will they fund free healthcare? Or free education? Relying on North Sea Gas and Oil won't help either because it doesn't actually belong to Scotland, it belongs to the UK, so they would have to negotiate a share of that oil, or go back to the drawing board and renegotiate the whole treaty. That could be disasterous for Scotland as Denmark, Norway etc... might use it as a way of grabbing a larger share for themselves.
The Scottish Nationalists have ignored the economic implications of independence, even more so now that the Eurozone is in trouble. If they try to join the EU they will have to accept the Euro, if they refuse, no EU memebership.
Scottish people should be asking them some in depth questions on the economy.
LEP
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the debt is shareable but not the oil?
And why on earth should self-determination within the Scottish borders when talking about independency? Would that mean every man can have his own country? You are picking and choosing and being silly in general.
(23) Chère Isolde
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Come on Think, you've had plenty of time to come up with some examples of Scotland under the English “yoke”.
We're waiting for your breath-taking revelations & please do not quote Mel Gibson.”
I say....:
Why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE
@25
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that it's a bit if a rouse to bring the oil into this equation. The companies currently sucking it out of the sea, that invested their shareholders and British tax payers money into research and logistics and refineries are British companies. They won't become Scottish overnight. If Scotland became an I dependent country, it wouldn't be able to expropriate because these are not Scottish companies extracting the oil.
And yes, after Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling, you bet they will be taking their share of the countries debt with them!
27
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British today is Scottish as well, so the oil companies are just as Scottish as the debt.
@26 Think,
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To balance the rubbish put out by Hollywood, l would like to see them make a film about the Scottish raids into Northern England.
There was even a nursery rhyme to put children to sleep in Northumberland
-“hush little bairn or the wild Scots will hear ye”.
Anyway, you unsuccessfully tried to deflect my question to you, namely:-
Please give me some modern examples of the English “yoke” on Scotland.
This is a statement that you made in post # 4.
Put up or apologise. l'm all ears, Thinkyboy.
l, no we, await your startling revelations with bated breath.
I don't think Think thinks like a thinker should think.
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a sthinker not a thinker.
(29) Isolde
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Please give me some modern examples of the English “yoke” on Scotland.
This is a statement that you made in post # 4.
Put up or apologize. l'm all ears......”
I say...:
You should read what I write before making such a fuss, squatter dahling…
I said (in my post #4)...:
”What joy it would be for this Argie tanist to fish the Gunn clan waters again..... Free of the English yoke, this time.”
Fact is that today, the best fishing waters of the Gunn clan are “owned” by Sassenachs.
Fact is that today, the best fishing waters of Scotland are “owned” by Sassenachs.
Fact is that today, the very best fishing waters on the Dee are “owned” by the Sassenach Royals.
http://vimeo.com/20430057
As I said before….:
”What joy it would be to fish the clan waters again…... Free of the English yoke, this time.”
No apology needed, I reckon……
@25 - Stevie
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reread my post. I said that Scotland didn't own the North Sea Gas and Oil, as the treaty is for the UK. Therefore they would have to share the oil, or go back and renegotiate the entire treaty, which may not play too well for them, as the other signatories would push for a larger share for themselves.
Now don't you feel silly for not reading my post properly?
32
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was only asking you a question, son (I'm jumping on the family train too).
I accept your response, that would be a fair way to deal with the issue.
How about the other questions,
”And why on earth should self-determination (apply) within the Scottish borders when talking about independency? Would that mean every man can have his own country?”
Looking forward to the answer.
@31 Think,
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a very feeble answer, Think & you know it.
Even if it had merit which it does not, where are all these other examples of an English “yoke”?
True to form, Think you are lying again.
Another Braveheart(ha!)trying to jump on the anti-English bandwagon.
FYI the Queen is also descended from Kenneth MacAlpine, King of the Scots, who united Scotland into one nation.
That makes her British, not just English.
So you believe that if/when Scotland becomes independent this private land/water will become open to everyone?
Probably open to Scottish citizens, which sort of excludes you wouldn't you say?
English “yoke” indeed!
ls your part of Patagonia under the Danish “yoke” just because you own it?
lts definitely under the Argentine yoke.
About time you Argentines gave back Patagonia to the Amerindians.
You know, the descendants of the few who you didn't murder.
Think, you are such a hypocritical liar.
One of the best l have seen.
So, no. You have not made a convincing case for your wild claim that Scotland is under an English “yoke”.
Try again.
What makes tha even funnier Isolde, is that Scotland would become the independent Kingdom of Scotland and guess who its head of state would be:
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HM Queen Elizabeth, Queen of Scots.
(34) Isolde, honey
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Braveheart said in the memorable battle of Holy Wood in 1995
They make take our Salmon(d), but they’ll never take our FREEEEEEDOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zFAvzf0Mv0
UK is broken............!!! free Scotland.one Ireland!!!!
Mar 24th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see Gustbury doesn't let annoying little things like self determination get in his way of what he thinks people need.
Mar 24th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Argentina should set the Falklands free?
(34) Chère Isolde
Mar 24th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”FYI the Queen is also descended from Kenneth MacAlpine, King of the Scots, who united Scotland into one nation.”
I say:
From the top of my head
The Windsor’s bloodline:
1) German born King Georg I von Braunschweig und Lüneburg ascended the British throne in 1714
He and his German wife Sophia von Braunschweig fathered:
2) German born King Georg II von Braunschweig und Lüneburg who ascended the British throne in 1727
He and his German wife Caroline von Brandenburg fathered:
German born Friedrich von Hannover who died before he could ascend the throne. He and his German wife Augusta von Sachsen-Gotha fathered:
3) King Georg III who ascended the British throne in 1760
He and his German wife Sophie Herzogin zu Mecklenburg fathered:
4) King Georg IV who ascended the British throne in 1820
He was succeeded by his brother:
5) King Wilhelm IV who ascended the British throne in 1830
For reasons of public knowledge he was succeeded by:
6) Queen Victoria, who ascended the British throne in 1837
A lady of pure German origin, daughter of Eduard (third son of King Georg III) and his German wife Marie Viktoria von Sachsen-Coburg.
She and hers German husband (and cousin), Franz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha fathered..:
7) King Albert Eduard VII who ascended the British throne in 1901
He and his Danish (of purest German bloodline) wife, Princess Alexandra Caroline fathered:
8) King Georg V who ascended the British throne in 1910
He and his (mostly) German wife Victoria von Teck fathered:
9) King Eduard the VIII………., hastily replaced by:
10) King Georg VII who ascended the British throne in 1936
He and his wife, Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (finally, some native blood!) fathered:
11) Queen Elizabeth II who ascended the British throne in 1952
She and her Danish (German, really) husband, Prince Phillip Battenberg (later, Mountbatten) fathered:
Charles, Prince of Wales
The rest; you surely know
Think.
Mar 24th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of us surely do know the rest! Thinking off the top of your head is not healthy nor wise in this case.
Let's take your little genealogy listing back further. So we will start fom your first line:
German born King Georg I von Braunschweig und Lüneburg
Whose mother was:
Sophia, Electress of Hanover
Born in The Hague.
Whose mother was:
Elizabeth Stuart, Electress Palatine and for a short while Queen of Bohemia.
Born in Fife, SCOTLAND
Whose father was:
James IV, King of Scotland
Born in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND
Whose mother was:
MARY, QUEEN OF SCOTS!
Silly silly Think.
Anglolatino
Mar 24th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you have to go back to the 17th century to find any Scottish blue blood?
That kind of proves Think's point...
(41) Stevie
Mar 24th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the turnip goes a bit further back in history he will hit my ancestors who excelled in two things........
1) Sailing the seas in their Drakkars....
2) Smashing Celtics skulls.....
Chuckle chuckle...
@25 Oh, no. The oil, and gas, can be shared. In accordance with international law. And international law says that if the Shetlands choose to stay with the UK, those resources are theirs. Not Scotland's. And international law also says that Scotland is not entitled to accede to any multilateral treaties unless all the other signatories agree. Prior example shows that, in any break-up, the “country” that has the majority of the territory and the majority of the population is the true successor state. Compare Scotland to the remainder of the UK. By either measure, the UK wins. Meanwhile, as a sovereign state that voluntarily chose to join the Union, Scotland has to accept that it must take on appropriate liabilities. But it is NOT entitled to any more than what it joined with. What did it join with? Land and debts.
Mar 24th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38 You're wrong. Gustbury doesn't let education or intelligence, neither of which it has, get in the way of what it's been told to say.
@41 But then, the only argie “blue blood” comes from oxygen deprivation! The more the better.
@42 Did you mean “Drekars”. As for “Celtics skulls”, you're welcome. Not so much luck with Anglo-Saxons though, eh? The ones that stopped your “ancestors” stone-dead. How''s your recollection of the Battle of Ethandun? After which the record of your “ancestors” seems to be one of almost continuous defeat. After which, your “ancestors” were subsumed. At this point, should I laugh myself sick at your “hubris”? Don't you think it's good that Wessex stamped on foreign invaders and became Englaland? Any thoughts on who we could usefully “stamp” on next? Here's a thought. England regularly stamped on Spain. Why would we want to change? Stamping on Spanish is GOOD. Grinding Spanish faces into dirt is BETTER. And Germans. Teaching Germans a lesson is always GREAT. Is there a “country” where WE can humiliate Spaniards, Germans and even Italians (makers of tanks with 5 reverse gears and 1 forward)? And WE can turn it into rubble?
conqueror
Mar 24th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Scotland “joined” there was no debt. So if it is as you say, keep the oil AND the debt. You'll have to drill halfway through the earth in order to make that a win.
I got to admit, “makers of tanks with 5 reverse gears and 1 forward” made me laugh. You have it in you, but I fear you'll need to drill even more for that...
@41 Stevie
Mar 24th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So you have to go back to the 17th century to find any Scottish blue blood?”
I see you are taking on some of the less savoury aspects of racial purity espoused by others. I suggest to you, as part Scot, that the Scots are perhaps less........ eugenically intolerant as you.
@42 Think
Congratulations on your new acolyte. He is everything you wanted him to be.
Your parents would have been so proud that your still spreading the word to....... what do you consistently call Latin Americans who are less European looking again than your pure Nordic background....... that's it brownies. Your parents would he so proud you're spreading the word to the brownies; who are lapping it up without question.
You keep writing what I need guys - keep up the good work.
Think & his sidekick, Stevie(DoD's replacement?),
Mar 24th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know very little of the Royal Family's ancestory.
The Queen can trace her descent back from William the Conqueror & even further back to the Saxon kings of Wessex.
At the same time most of the Royal families in Europe intermarried.
So there is blood from many nationalities.
l did read, many years ago, that one particular line from Mediaevel Spain included an Arabian Princess who was a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed.
No reason why it could not be true.
Does anyone know who are their ancestors of 2000 years ago?
Even a poltroon like Think had ancestors :-))))))))))))!!!!!!!!!!!!
And FYI, The Queen is descended from Kenneth MacAlpine, who lived l think in the 6th century.
l guess it wouldn't be hard to check, lads.
Isolde
Mar 24th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know precisely what I need to know about the British royal family, which is next to nothing.
But I do know that I'm no Spaniard just because I have Spanish ancestors from the 17th century.
Stevie writes @ 47
Mar 24th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I know precisely what I need to know about the British royal family, which is next to nothing.”
An own goal after inserting himself midway into a conversation on the future potential Queen of an independent Scotland.
Honestly guys, you really really can't make this amount of ineptitude up.
Is that so, Anglolatino?
Mar 24th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what precisely did I say about the blue bloods?
You show me a post where I have any opinion on the royals.
If mine was an own goal, you just won the game for me...
Honestly guys, you really really can't make this amount of ineptitude up.
(49) Stevie
Mar 24th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about any “Royal Scottish” blood Mr. Stevie.....
Alba will most probably become a Republic in case of a YES vote for independence.
What a pretty sight that would be......
But of course they will choose to be republic, should they vote yes, Mr. Think
Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Scots are not stupid...
@50 Think,
Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you “think” that an independent Scotland could put in a “claim” for the Faeroe lslands?
After all, thats the proximity reason that you malvinistas put in for your ridiculous “claims” to the Falklands & other British territories in the South Atlantic.
And as we all know, the Faeroes are closer to Scotland than South Georgia is to Argentina.
Why should anyone listen to the Faeroe people?
They are “implanted” from mainland Scandinavia.
To any Faeroe people reading this, l am not implying that you should lose your country, far from it.
l'm just showing sr Think, of how ridiculous his country's “claims” are.
Enjoy your land, it is yours.
And, Thinky-boy, you still haven't come up with any modern day examples of an English “yoke” on Scotland.
You made that that statement in post#4.
And you haven't given a good answer, l guess you are hoping that we'll forget it & it will go away. No, Think, it will not. Answer please.
Put up or apologise.
@48 Anglotino,
Now you know the sort of devious bush creatures we are dealing with!
l will say that l was pleasantly surprised by Stevie's admission that he was wrong.
Then he went and spoiled it all by insinuating that l obtained that piece of information from wiki.
That of course meant that he didn't believe the existence of my Finnish friend.
Hence, calling me a liar.
Does anyone here seriously think that we would be stupid enough to put ourselves under an Argentine yoke?
You Argentines need a big injection of reality.
Isolde
Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never called you a liar, I posted that in the light of facts, and my doubts regarding a Finlander comparing his language with Estonian (as I've always heard the comparison being with Hungarian), I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Hence my apology.
But then you went spoiling it all saying your friend compared it to Turkish...
@53 Stevie,
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0l only repeated what was told to an impressionable 17 year old, with stars in her eyes.
However, knowing that l had never caught him out in a lie, & spurred by your lack of faith, l looked it up.
Go to Wiki, put in Ural-Altaic Languages.
Hey presto:-
Scads & scads of languages, including Korean & Japanese(which l never would have thought of!).
And there folks we find, in the same family(wait for it, wait for it!),
Finnish & Turkish.
Admittedly a loooooooong way apart, but in the same language family never-the-less.
Maybe as far apart as English to Bengali,or even further, but still RELATED, Stevie.
Now what do you say to that, Stevie-boy?
At no time did he say that the languages were mutually understandable, just that they are (distantly)related.
One only wonders what your reaction would have been if l had said Japanese! lol, lol! etc.
Isolde
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0With that argument, all languages are related. Just a matter on going far enough back in time. Finnish is a Finnic language, Hungarian an Ugric. Together with some other less spoken they form the Finno-Ugric languages.
Root cathegory for the Finno-Ugric languages are the Uralic languages.
To hit the Altaic languages, you have to go yet another step up in cathegory. Just below the cathegory called “languages”.
With all respect, you are grasping for arguments on this one. Stick to Estonian.
Stevie,
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all. l doubt very much that ALL languages are related.
You have been proved wrong.
l, personally don't really care.
l just told you what was told to me & now, like your mentor sr snake, err l mean sr Think, you are trying to wriggle out of it.
l am not grasping for anything but you are.
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l'm still waiting sr sn... err sr Think for the examples that you are going to give(you ARE going to give them, aren't you?)of ANY, I REPEAT, ANY current English “yokes” on Scotland.
C'mon Think, l know you can cobble SOMETHING together.
Try us out...............................waiting♥
Isolde
Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would never try to “wriggle out” of anything. I would just say “you are right” and add my new found knowledge to my memory. But this is not the case, and I can see why you don't care. As well as I understand it.
Stevie,
Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you, l should have known better.
lts par for the course. At least l'm not in any doubt now of your integrity.
Think,
Still waiting, you can't keep relying on Stevie to sidetrack me.
Examples please.
You made a statement in post #4, back it up, Blunt Axe, like the Viking Warrior you “think” you are.
TWIMC
Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putting aside my petty political interest in the total disintegration of the United Kingdom of Great England for a second…….......
What elation it would be for this humble Argie to fish the Gunn Clan waters again..................
Free from London's anglocratic yoke, this time!
@59
Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are an odd bollocks aren't you? You refuse to answer questions given to you and you are very obvious about that. However when someone fails to answer the smallest question provided by yourself, you will go out of your way to attack them.
So I will ask it again;
How is Scotland under English yoke?
How could an Argentine ever afford to go fishing in Scotland?
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah good old Think, true to form.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least you are predictable.
Oh, its London's Anglocratic(is there such a word?)yoke now?
Think trying to move the goalposts again.
We're still waiting, sr Think for just ONE example of an English “yoke”.
One could conclude that you are lying, Think!
Would you lie, Think?(of course, you are a malvinista, of course you will lie, profusely).
Examples, please Think. We are still waiting.♥ lol
(62) Chère Isolde
Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I ever “move the goalposts” it's only to make the goal smaller, dahling....
Can anyone “Think” of something more English than a “London based Anglocracy” ???
And yes, the world “Anglocratic” exists indeed..... and is been used in such diverse places as New Zealand, East Timor, Ireland, Hawaii and Chubut....
Example of a current English “yoke” on Scotland please, Cher Think.
Mar 29th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You've had plenty of time to make something up.
Give it your best shot, Think dahling.
We are waiting................waiting...................waiting.
Or perhaps you'd like to apologise & confide to us that it was all in good, clean fun, a joke, doncha know...........har har har.
You made the statement at post #4.
You weren't getting on the anti-English bandwagon, were you?
lt was all a misunderstanding.
Yes, poltroon, you thought that you could just slip that one in & we'd all have a jolly chuckle.
So, Thinkyboy, l'll ask you again.
Please(you like that?)give us ALL an current example of an English “yoke” on Scotland.
You have the stage.
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