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Why the Falklands matter

Friday, March 22nd 2013 - 06:10 UTC
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By James Kirchick (*) - Americans might wonder why they should care about the fate of a tiny set of islands closer to Antarctica than to Florida, where penguins outnumber humans by more than 300 to 1. But the fate of the Falkland Islands — whose citizens expressed a near-unanimous desire to remain part of the United Kingdom this month — will set an important precedent for the universal principle of self-determination Read full article

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  • Escoses Doido

    Good article. Nice to see an American writing on the subject.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    “Argentina is doing plenty of pandering of its own, telling the Latin American peanut gallery that British control over the islands is a remnant of its colonial past. But Argentina’s own claims to the Islands are based on Spain’s disputed possession of them when it ruled most of South America. A British explorer made the first recorded landing on the Falklands in 1690, and the UK declared formal sovereignty in 1765. It established a permanent settlement there in 1833, and has maintained control over the territory continuously ever since save for the two months of Argentina’s illegal occupation.”

    This says it all in a “nutshell”!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    A struggle between two expansionist colonial powers it is then, although one hasn't gone into disintegration mode just yet.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    A different wiew about this matter...:

    “So, while Mr. Cameron lectures the Pope and Argentina on respecting the wishes of the Falkland Islanders, he continues to run roughshod over the wishes of the peoples of the Turks and Caicos, Anguilla, the Chagos Archipelago, and even those closer to home in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, who would opt for independence if not for the heavy jackboot of British colonial rule…”
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/self-determination-for-falklands-but-nowhere-else-in-the-remaining-british-empire/5327478

    PS: Mr. McDod...
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/self-determination-for-falklands-but-nowhere-else-in-the-remaining-british-empire/5327478

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @4

    Thanks for putting two mutually self-contradictory references in the same post.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Where is the UK wanting to expand to?

    Argentina is the only country that wants to expand in this equation.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doveoverdover

    @4 Having once been a very small bunion on the small toe of one of the UK feet in one of the heavy jackboots of British colonial rule I can honestly say we seemed to be treading pretty lightly in the Channel Islands and on the Isle of Man. Levitating even. Still I see it's Canada again though this time with a less supportive approach than the alleged CANADEM involvement in the Referendum.

    As for the PS, that's what I had in mind, even though I'm confident of a No vote this time.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    Wayne Madsen is a far left conspiracy theorist with no balance in his comments at all, it's impossible to take his comments seriously when you view his other articles: http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/wayne-madsen

    But, aside from that, claiming that the channel islands and the isle of man would be independent were it “not for the jackboot of british colonial rule” is absolutely, wrong, ignorant, and based on no information of facts whatsoever.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Good article and well written, I think it sums the situation up correctly.

    Thanks Think for posting just how much the UK has changed in allowing countries to chose their own future in the form of Scotland. It's good to see what a modern UK is like VS a aggressive colonist Argentina. We can be proud of how much we've changed. Maybe Argentina should also do the same and stop with its aggression and bullying of a very small country to hide its impending economic collapse.

    See you at the ICJ if you want to make a change other than spew lies and nonsense out to anyone who will listen.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (8) Boovis
    You say...:
    “Wayne Madsen is a far left conspiracy theorist with no balance in his comments at all..............”

    I say...:
    And who does the author of the above article, Mr. James Kirchick work for ???

    Ahhhhh............... ”The Foundation for Defense of Democracies.”

    Sounds nice…

    And... Who’s the “Boss” at this ”Foundation for Defense of Democracies”???

    *** Chairman: Mr. James Woolsey, Former Director of the CIA ***

    http://www.defenddemocracy.org/about-fdd/team-overview/r-james-woolsey/#sthash.zHn7mW9k.dpuf

    Brainwash anybody?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Robert English

    Hits the nail on the head !

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (11) Robert English

    Thanks....

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Diddles

    Well written article that any open minded person could not help but agree with. Another demonstration of the success of the Falklands referendum in making world more aware of islanders situation and the unfair attacks upon them by the Argentine government.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (13) Diddles

    Well written article by a Spin Doctor employed by an organization directed by the CIA....
    Of course no open minded Turnip could anything but agree with it.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stonnersman

    Perfect.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (7) Mr. McDod
    You say…:
    ”Having once been a very small bunion on the small toe of one of the UK feet in one of the heavy jackboots of British colonial rule……..”

    I say….:
    No need to be so modest…..
    I’m sure you were placed somewhere on the right foot’s hallux….

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    The country’s real inflation rate, believed to be as high as 20%, is one of the highest in the world. Argentina owes its creditors more than 35 billion dollars. And so taking a cue from irresponsible world leaders since time immemorial, Cristina Fernandez has whipped up nationalist sentiment to distract from her own disastrous tenure....

    Now can anyone see why we Islanders would not want to be part of Argentina the have nothing to offerr us. Who wants to live in poverty. We have a good standard of living here and intend to keep it that way.

    Stop your Bullying Argentina and let us live in peace.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Think, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
    You've got nothing left, you are a spent force.
    FYI, The lsle of Man & the Channel lslands are not part of the UK.
    They have their own currencies, flags & passports.
    Either you are not as knowledgeable as you would like us to believe or you're just a troublemaker.
    Whatever, it doesn't detract from the fact that, try as you like, these are OUR(NOT YOURS)Islands & will stay that way.
    @Cristina,
    Oh the Falklands matter to us alright.
    Thats why you'll never get your thieving paws on them.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (18) Chère Isolde

    You say...:
    FYI, The lsle of Man & the Channel lslands are not part of the UK.... bla, bla,bla.

    I say...:
    My name is Think...., El Tink.
    Not Wayne Madsen.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    A lucid, well argued article, Argentina's claim fails on both the historical and 'human rights ('the sacrosant precept of self determonation') levels. As other posters have pointed out, the UK's position on colonial issues has changed with the passage of time and today is informed by the principle of self determination. This is in sharp contrast to the Argentine position which reflects the colonial attitudes of 1833.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rylang23

    “But the fate of the Falkland Islands — whose citizens expressed a near-unanimous desire to remain part of the United Kingdom this month — will set an important precedent for the universal principle of self-determination”........ and EMPIRE!

    Love live Empires! I believe that is what most commenters believe here. Am I correct? If not, please try to explain it away.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (18) Chère Isolde

    FYI, Mr. Wayne Madsen seems to be better informed about the lsle of Man & the Channel lslands than you or your fellow Crown Subject, Mr. McDod.....:

    http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/we-can-t-break-free-from-uk-1-4690140

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    @ rylang23 (21)

    I really don't understand the 'Empire' reasoning for the Falklands remaining a Britsh Overseas Territory (BOT). If Britain (or as Argentines call it 'Engand') was so desperate to hold onto its Empire, why didn't it hold onto the more lucrative and desirable former colonies of South Africa, India, Australia, Canada, etc. Why would they allow them to become independent? Why hang onto the Falklands, Gibraltar, Bermuda, St. Helena, etc., and allow them to govern themselves and give them the right to become independent? Why grant defence to the Falklands? Why grant St. Helena £200m+ to build an airport? Why do all of that and give these territories an option to leave? If Britain was so desperate to hang on to an 'Empire' why would Britain act like this?

    The 'Empire' argument is not coherent. It contradicts itself.

    It is Argentina who is trying to expand and gain territory against the will of the territory's inhabitants. Isn't worth trying defending the democratic rights of those people of that territory? Or should every country give in to aggressive countries when they claim territory that does not belong to them?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think the essence if this article is that there is an increasing realisation in the states that the current US policy on the Falklands is inconstant with their very own founding principles and values and is damaging one of their most important bilateral friendships.
    When the shit hits the fan in Iran and Syria, the US will want the UK's support as a permanent member of the security council. I really can't see them relying on Argentina to come to their assistance when the chips are down.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Musky

    @24 Brit
    Very true, the Falklands can choose their own future, no one has the right to do it for them. The US should uphold this principal, it is the very essence of US principles.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Diddles

    El Think (14), o es El Estupido, I think you do a very good job at being a Spin Doctor for the Malvinistas cause, a cause based on lies and delusions.

    Facts, what interest do you have in facts when you continually perpetuate your lies about the Falklands (oh sorry, that delusional island group called the Malvinas). You and your fellow Malvinista Trolls do your country no favour.....your country is being brought down by fools likeselves who promise nothing more but continued misery for many of your fellow countrymen....what an achievement.....hang your heads in collective shame......fortunately as said before, at least some Argentines are starting to grasp the real truth....that the Falklands do exist and does their inhabitants and their interests can't be ignored and disregarded....your more independent newspapers like Clarin, La Nacion and the Buenos Aires Herald are ensuring that a more realistic view of the Falklands is being conveyed to the Argentine populace, unlike the foolish and dishonest messages conveyed by your present irresponsible and incompetent government and its supporters.

    As said before, to use a good old Australian expression, Argentina has two chances to reclaim the Falkland Islands, 'Buckleys and None”, meaning Argentinas chances are Zero! So keep up your rants.....this year, next year and for the rest of your sad pathetic existence, or grow up and smell the roses and deal with reality....sadly, dealing with reality seems beyond you and your fellow Malvinistas....but it would be nice to see.....your country could do with a government and a general populace ready to leave behind its foolish past and perhaps learn a few lessons from your neighbour, Chile, who runs a far more respectable economy and is viewed in far more admiringly around the world these days then Argentina.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    oh lookie - its the DodgyThink Duo again, posting within moment of each and backing each other up each others.

    and not a word of sense from “either of them”.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hands Off

    There should be a vote in the UK to see if the UK still wants to keep the Falkland Islands. Surely its not up to the islanders.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @4 Think

    It is all very well continually posting a link to an article that is riddled with inaccuracies and out of date, but you do yourself no favours by doing so (because it just highlights the fact that you feast on demonstrably inaccurate sources).

    1) As regards the Turks and Caicos Islands', it is well-documented that the intervention was made to resolve issues of ministerial corruption and problems with the constitution - but unfortunately for Wayne Madsen (and anyone, including you, who chooses to share his article) he ends up looking like a prize tool, because full home rule was actually restored to the islands (with a new more democratic constitution) following the fully democratic elections held there in November 2012. If they at some point in the future want full independence, then there is nothing preventing them voting for that.

    2) Anguilla is an internally self-governing overseas territory with a democratically elected pluriform multi-party legislature. There is nothing to prevent them asking for and voting for independence.

    3) As regards the Chagos Archipelago, there is already a binding commitment in place for the British government to hand sovereignty to Mauritius (the only other claimant for sovereignty) to Mauritius .. all that remains in dispute is a timetable for doing that.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @28
    They have a devolved government, that would be like asking English people if they wanted to keep Wales? What an odd comment?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    A very sensible well balanced article which will have no effect whatsoever on looney, unbalanced Malvinistas and funded Rg trolls whose stupid obsfuscations appear regularly here. Anyway the Rgs have other concerns now, financial collapse, runaway inflation, restricted and expensive foriegn travel, crime out of control, unemployment and soon the collapse of government and the spectre of the generals waiting in the wings. Poor sods..

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ramon

    Why don't we just have a referendum in Argentina to see if we also want to become a British Overseas Territory.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • expbrit

    @ 20 downunder ... the UK's position on colonial issues has changed with the passage of time and today is informed by the principle of self determination. This is in sharp contrast to the Argentine position which reflects the colonial attitudes of 1833.

    Perfectly articulated. While we are busy divesting ourselves of colonies, and managing to stay on good terms with most of them, RG is trying to persuade the UN to give them a new one. They obviously have no sense of irony or understanding of the word Hypocrite.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    29...Think and his multiple login personalities don't do enough research. Mind you must be difficult spinning so many plates difficult to know if hes Arthur or Martha

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    This type of article will become the increasing trend as Falkland Isalnders expose Argentina's lack of any credible claim to the Islands and its naked colonial ambition.

    Ultimately strong international principles and clear thinking about self determination will prevail.

    Time to treat for peace and whatever you can retrieve from your disasterous policy CFK.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @4 Think

    It is of course exactly the same with the Channel Islands and Isle of Man. It is up to their democratically elected legislatures to decide if and when they want independence; but the fact is that there is no widespread popular support for it.

    As for your insistence on continually referring to Scotland, it would behove you to remember that Scotland isn't an imperial possession ... in fact, it was a Scottish king (who had inherited the English Crown) who chose to join the independent England and independent Scotland in a personal union .. and in fact, a full third of recent British Prime Ministers were either born in Scotland or were self-declared Scots of Scottish ancestry (with the earlier proportion actually being even higher).

    - - - -

    @28 Hands Off

    It has nothing to do with the population of the UK. The Falklands don't 'belong' to the the British people (nor indeed to the British government).

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @29 Vuggevise
    +1

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @4 Think

    The other thing about Scotland is that Scotland actually has more power over England and Wales than England has over either Scotland or Wales. Scottish and Welsh MPs can vote on purely English matters (and on matters that are both English and Welsh matters) .. the British parliament (and Government) however has no authority on purely Scottish matters, or on delegated Welsh matters.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    https://twitter.com/QEClassCarriers/status/315085919873015808/photo/1.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • andy65

    Thinkedover rides again,what a prat

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Think - please show us that you can, indeed, think!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @4 Think

    Also, Wayne Madsen's claims about Anguilla independence are a complete fabrication. In fact, Anguilla is in the process of preparing for a vote on independence.

    So basically, when you are posting Wayne Madsen articles, you are advertising the fact that you soak up the views of a deluded conspiracy theorist who doesn't even do the most fundamental of fact checking.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Ya, but I no understand why in this artikl Botox ladi cracks disappear?

    This more true|

    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01683/SNN0308CUT--_1683733a.jpg

    Look like weener Prhaps Mr Think explaining ?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fill00000

    Argentine girls are hairy

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    DoDyTHink being as naive and atupid as ever I see.

    Here's the thing with all of these so-called examples of British Hypocrisy: The writers of the article criticise the UK government for being hypocritical, giving the Falklands a referendum and self-determination but not other places.

    And what piece of genius do they roll out of this?

    “Therefore the Falklands shouldn't be allowed self-determination”.

    erm..what?

    Dont you mean “Therefore everybody else whould be able to use self-determination!”?

    Nope, apparently not: the highlight of the Chagos Islanders is a cause celebre for the Malvos to point out why Britain should refuse self-determination in the Falklands, because they haven't allowed it elsewhere.

    How dumb is that eh? How arse-about-face can you get... particularly when talking about Hypocrisy: As, at the same time, the Argentine Government says that the Islanders have zero rights - just like the Chagos Islanders...

    but.. hang on... dont the Argentines Malvos on this forum say that is BAD!?

    If you are confused just remember one thing: ThinkoDoD & his various puppets want only one thing which is to deride the British and insult the Islanders until they reach the point they give up on their legitimate rights: using logic, common sense or recognising ANY rights, other than when it suits their argument at the time, is way down the list of priorities...and always will be.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @32 I wouldn't do that if I were you the vote would probably be a resounding yes

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (38) Vuggevise

    You almost make me feel sorry for those poor English sausages under the Scottish yoke......................... Almost :-)))

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @47 Think

    Oh, I don't .. if they don't ask for independence they can't complain ;)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @7 PS?
    @11 Please identify which nail. “Twinky” or “DoD? Or both? Can we do it with a sledgehammer?
    @14 But then, no ”democratic“ argie could disagree. But there are only one or two ”democratic“ argies. ”Twinky“ is, of course, a murderer. He agrees with the rape, torture and murder of Amerindians. Is he on their land? He agrees with the torture and murder of Argentines. He is a ”travel agent“. Offering one-way scenic air tours over the River Plate. Be sure to take out the travel and health insurance. It's not as though ”Twinky“ will ever have to pay out. After all, many ”ailments“ can be ”cured“ by a quick ”dip“ in the ocean. Especially if the ”safety“ rope is tied round your neck!
    @17 Not 20%. 27%. And heading for 34%.
    @19 Don't be so shy and self-effacing. Your ”name“ is Wanker. Would you like to make that ”Wank“?
    @21 Is there a stray brain cell floating around between your ears? It should be easy to spot given the otherwise expanding sea of turd. Have you ever tried ”lucidity“? How about ”honesty“ or ”intelligence“? ”Legality“? Or the simple concept that, if you don't back off,, ”erasing“ you IS an option?
    @28 Don't need a vote. The Islanders want to be British. The British government agrees. 88% of British people are quite happy to see argieland wiped off the face of the planet. What's to vote about?
    @32 Not a bad idea. But remember, you'll have to learn to speak a proper language. Nah, it wouldn't work. Most of you would be in prison inside a month.
    @35 Treat for peace? You mean, run for it? Let's be realistic. Anyone who can present all the Kirchner ”government” heads, on spikes, WILL deserve a Nobel Prize. Or an extra tube of Smarties.
    @38 And so we (English) need to remove provincial “overlords”. That sounds like an idea. The UK ruled by England. Perhaps with 1 or 2 representatives from Northern Ireland and Wales. Scots? You feed horses on oats. And skirts? MEN wear trousers. Except argie “men”. Underneath they wear little “panties”. Many sites!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @49 Conqueror

    “88% of British people are quite happy to see argieland wiped off the face of the planet.”

    What utter rot, you warmongering onanist.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    Of course, lets also remember that those “Chagosians” are an “Implanted” population... Is it not the position of the Argentine Government that “Implanted” populations dont have any rights?

    why I beleive it is..

    and yet we see the Chagosians raised at every and any opportunity by Twinko and associated puppets as a beacon of British hypocrisy.

    One wonders if the great and highly educated Twinko really understands the meaning of the word?

    (And lets face facts - everybody who has claimed some form of high intellectual status has so far shown themselves to be pretty thick, if not downright retarded... so dont hold your breath)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @49 Conqueror

    “Don't be so shy and self-effacing. Your ”name“ is Wanker. Would you like to make that ”Wank“?”

    Why use “wanker” as a term of abuse? All men are wankers ... except for the ones who are liars. So which are you? A wanker, a liar, or both? :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    Has anybody noticed a recurrent similarity between the people who claim to be “Intelligent” on this forum?

    1) They have the persistent need to keep telling other people that they are so much more intelligent than everybody else.
    2) They spend a lot of their time telling other people how stupid they are, and how they cannot understand ”Mr Intelligents point because - *they* - are so stupid.
    3) They spend a lot of time trying to bond with the other people who also claim to be “More intelligent”
    4) They spend a lot of time being generally abusive to other people rather than trying to reason with them.
    5) They never seem to realise how dumb this all makes them look & sound.

    funny old thing eh?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 Conq.

    ”“88% of British people are quite happy to see argieland wiped off the face of the planet.”

    Apart from your statistic being a figment of your imagination, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME, either!!!

    I am already on record to state that I wish the Argentine people well, but their government is lying and corrupt, and do not work for the best interests of the people.
    They and the lying propagandists that support them should be removed

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fill00000

    cfk has got a massive bush

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I echo Troy's statements. I personally know a few Argentinians who are superb people and I trained Argentine officers when I was in the Royal Navy and they were always warm, friendly, high quality folks.

    It's just a shame the Argentine government is a complete embarrassment to the country with its lies, deceit, corruption and through incompetence, arrogance and idiocy has caused another economic collapse to a country that should be very wealthy.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulgg

    For Echegaray Malvinas are Falklands and not Argentineans.
    http://fortunaweb.com.ar/2013-03-22-118839-echegaray-debe-irse-por-estupido-o-traidor/

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @49 Conqueror

    You wont even find anywhere close to 88% of Britons think there should be a military intervention to defend The Falkland Islands against an Argentinian invasion, let alone see “argieland wiped off the face of the planet”. What is more, only 37% think Britain is even capable of defending the islands (as against 34% who don't think we are ... and that was BEFORE the former and highly respected Chief of the General Staff went on public record saying he thought it “just about impossible” for Britain’s armed forces to retake the Falklands if Argentina invaded).

    Hell, you won't even find that 88% of Britons think that the future of the Falkland Islands should be determined by the Islanders themselves (only 76% think that), that Britain should even bother about defending the islands or that the dispute over the Falkland Islands is about anything other than oil & mineral rights (which is what the majority think).

    In fact, more Britons think that David Cameron is making an issue with the Falkland Islands to divert attention away from his appalling mismanagement of the British economy (49% think that), than think that Britain is even capable of retaking the Falkland Islands.

    That's how fake your 88% fantasy is.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @58
    Just a word of caution, when quoting the chief of general staff comments, just bear in mind that defence budgets were being discussed at the time and he had a certain objective to ensure.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @58 Vuggevise

    “That's how fake your 88% fantasy is.”

    Make no mistake Vuggevise, Britain will put in a 10o% effort to defend the islands against any invasion.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @59 Britworker

    Fair point, had he still been in office; but it was Sir Mike Jackson, the FORMER Chief of the General Staff, who has been retired for almost 7 years - in fact there have been 3 others Chief's of the General Staff since him - so I am not really sure he was any more likely to be protecting budgets than he was when he referred to Donald Rumsfeld as “intellectually bankrupt”. Had he still been in office, I would admittedly have been somewhat more cynical.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @60 I agree 98% of Brits would back defending the islands as they would with all the BOTs the 2% against being Alex Salmond and dodderyoverdover
    @58 where are you getting your info from because it's rubbish the fact of the matter is David Cameron (i'm not a fan) would not have to make an issue over the Falklands if it wasn't for TMBOA constant threatening behaviour and rhetoric, or would you prefer he said nothing and kept it all from the British public sorry mate that's not how it works. We won't NEED to retake the Falklands as long as our troops, ships and aircraft are there, that's what keeps the rg's at bay and needing to shout scream and throw hissy fits
    Where do live buy the way? I'd say MORE than 88% of Brits would say the islanders have the right to decide thier own future stop talking crap.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @60 Troy Tempest

    It wasn't a comment on what effort would be put in – but since you mention that, I personally doubt that any serious attempt would be made to defend them again, just as I doubt that any attempt would be made to invade again – it was a comment about infantile, flag-waving, jingoistic claim that 88% would be happy to see “argieland wiped off the face of the planet”.

    But as for not making any mistake, I venture to suggest that unless a member of the government of the day (which, for some strange reason, I am willing to bet that you aren't) none of us knows with any certainty what the future level of commitment will be … it was far from a 100% certainty in 1982, when Britain wasn't anywhere close to being as war-weary as it is today. In fact, I would argue that the more noise they are making now about throwing everything in to defending the Islands – and thus dissuade anyone who may be tempted – the less likely they are to actually do it. If the commitment is really there, I doubt that they would actually need to try so hard to create the impression is.

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    @62 slattzzz

    “where are you getting your info from because it's rubbish”

    I am getting my information from the consistent results of numerous opinion polls. Where are you getting your informations from? If you think it is more than 88% of Brits, then I'd have to throw the “rubbish” claim right back at you.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @62
    It is as simple as that, we can get all upset and annoyed at Argentina's behaviour, but the reality is that we don't actually have to do anything other than 'keep calm and carry on'. CFK will out of office very soon and will disappear with her embezzled millions and Argentina will collapse. I have always said, leave the hysteria to the hysterical!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @62 slattzzz

    Opinion pools may not be 100% accurate (although I am sure that you are more than happy to use them when they support YOUR opinion), I am willing to bet that they are a darn sight more accurate than whatever you are basing your “rubbish” and “98%” claims on :-)

    PS: Opinion polls are generally remarkably accurate when carried out by reputable polling organisations. People who dismiss them are inclined to do so because they don't like the answers they have given.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @65
    Oh sorry, I can't let that pass without an answer. As a Crown Warranted Employee myself, I know my country very well, let me categorically assure you, if necessary, the UK would defend the Falklands by war again. Do not be under any delusion about that.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @65 well papers (In Britain) carried out opinion poles and 96% said the Falkland Islanders have the right to decide thier own future and i am sure you are happy to base your rubbish on the opinion poles that back YOUR opinion. your right they may pick 100 people out of millions that sypathise with the rg position, or maybe you just got your opinion poles from the pages of rg papers

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @66 Britworker

    A “Crown Warranted Employee”? LOL

    Thanks - in other words, you don't know and are just trying to give credence to your claims by making yourself sound as if you move in influential circles ... and I say that as a holder of the Queen's Commission :-)

    A police officer is a Crown Warranted Employee - that doesn't make him privy to the inner workings of cabinet, let alone give insight to what 98% of people think. Do not be under any delusions about that.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @68
    Hey, that's ok. Your scepticism on the matter has had an accurate answer. Treat the information as you will.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @68 So are are now saying that you are a holder of a queens commision, nice try doddery over dover, back down the legion theres a good boy / girl, what's the betting stink will be on here very soon. Here's a worldwide poll for you
    http://united-kingdom-vs-argentina.free-opinion.com/GB/EN/

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I'm Vuggevise

    (Undskyld Vugge, kan simpelthen ikke lade være med at drille :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @67 slattzzz

    Well, perhaps you should read newspapers that carry out opinion polls, rather than the sort that carry out “opinion poles” [sic] :-)

    Nowhere close to 96% has been recorded by ANY reputable pollster in the UK (which is probably why no national newspaper in the UK has published any poll giving a result that comes close to your 96%).

    If, as you claim, such a poll existed, you can pretty sure you would have been reported here, yet just about the best you will find on this site is the following, where only “61% of voters say that ‘Britain should protect the Falklands so long as the islanders want protecting” and 32% actually think Britain should be willing to negotiate sovereignty .. with a full 49% of younger voters they supporting the possibility of handover to Argentina..

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/03/20/poll-shows-61-uk-support-for-defending-the-falklands-young-voters-not-so-sure

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    You're not even think you are GUZZ and still living in Sweden sponging off europe, and you couldn't tease your own genitalia

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ok I confess.. I'm also GUZZ and I live in Uzbekistan.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @72 so to back up your arguement you state a OPINION POLL carried out by the Guardian........well cheers they are well in touch with the British public NOT
    @74 no you live in a dream world

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    @ 75 Are you talking to me, to Guzz, to Doveoverdover or to Vuggevise?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @70 slattzzz

    And what is the relevance of that “worldwide poll” of 1,187 people to do with what your claimed 88% (or 96%, or 98%) think? ... besides which, it is a banal poll, because it asks a question about “ownership” and the United Kingdom doesn't even actually “own” the Falkland Islands. Sovereignty is about authority, not ownership.

    PS: Hi Conqueror, this slattzzz identity doesn't fool anyone either :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I'm Conqueror
    (Wonder why nobody thought of it before :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    I'm not conquerer and never have been, I don't and never have changed my identity unlike you.
    So how many people carried out the Gaurdian poll then? The whole of the UK?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vuggevise

    @75 slattzzz

    “so to back up your arguement you state a OPINION POLL carried out by the Guardian”

    DOH! It was an opinion poll PUBLISHED in the Guardian, but it was carried out by ICM. .. the same company that financially supports the Conservative Party and does the polling for The Scotsman and The Sunday Telegraph (and formerly also for the News of the World).

    @79 slattzzz

    Oh yes you are :-) And all I have done is change my name, but it is the same log-in details and account, so unlike you I'm not posting from multiple accounts.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Correct,
    Mr. Vuggevise is my whole new version of Mr.Skåre
    Slattzzz is just one of my sock puppets to reinforce Mr Conqueror.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    There you are, I changed my name again just to give you something to whine about whilst I make out with Think in Guzz's garden shed :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @80 no i'm not so try again in fact ask the mediator of the page if you don't believe me he can check the ip address I'm sure he will prove me correct, why do you feel the need to change your name isn't one enough for you. Is it because you keep getting shot down in shit and hope no one will notice.
    It was carried out by ICM. Same question how many people took part in this POLL?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Can we invite Isolde? I'm straight you know....

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @84 Think

    Go on then, if you must.

    @83 slattzzz

    Anyone can post from multiple IP address on the same computer, using readily available free software (as well you know) .. in fact, any troll worth his salt would do just that, so he can use the IP address defence :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    well I'm afraid I don't feel the need to do that, I'm not trolling just an ex matelot who likes to put my opinion over on a subject close to my heart, if you do because you have an inferiority complex or a tiny penis then just crack on, the trouble is we always know who you are because you never change, and continually talk to yourself and answer you own posts, kinda sad really

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @83 slattzzz

    “Is it because you keep getting shot down in shit and hope no one will notice”

    Oh yeah, that is why I let everyone know when I have done it. DOH! Besides, you have much more experience at this getting shot down in flames lark :-)

    “It was carried out by ICM. Same question how many people took part in this POLL?”

    I don't know .. look it up. But unlike the poll you gave us (which allows you to vote as many times as you like) ICM adhere to the British Polling Council guidelines on sampling methods, sample sizes and weighting procedures.

    If you don't like that poll, you can try this one from ComRes for ITV News a few weeks ago (ComRes are so disreputable that they have a resident panel of nearly 300 MPs .. actually, that was probably a bad example):

    http://comres.co.uk/poll/613/comres-falklands-pollwatch.htm?dm_i=DCJ,P0WQ,216RG6,20RW1,1

    So how about you show us this 96% poll you claim to have seen.

    PS: re inferiority complexes, tiny penises and talking to myself, thanks for the best laugh of the evening.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    no problem the truth probably hurts

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @88 slattzzz

    Yes, Conqueror, it probably does; but I wouldn't know :-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    exactly !!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    So is the fictitious 96% poll not going to make an appearance this side of bedtime?

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    your bedtime or mine? that was a sun poll but here's one with probably more credence http://www.dw.de/uk-leaves-no-room-for-doubt-over-falklands/a-16629847

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @92 slattzzz

    So you can't actually produce the 96% poll - nor even your poll that 98% of Brits would back defending the islands - but (because you aren't him, obviously) you just happen to find one that gives Conqueror's mythical 88% who are “quite happy to see argieland wiped off the face of the planet” ... except of course that isn't what they say.

    But yes, I agree that one you have posted there is much more credible. Your 96% still isn't though.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well......
    It is quite evident that Mr. Slattzzz can NOT produce that 96% poll.
    But seeing him at (92) using an irrelevant article from the Deutsche Welle is just too much!!!

    Die Deutsche Welle, for God's sake Mr. Slattzzz!

    No Englishman in his right mind would use the Deutsche Welle as an information source.

    You must be Think!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    58 Vuggevise

    You do not understand statistics and the statistical handling of observable data do you?

    And you most certainly do not understand the psychology of opinion polls. Many people who are polled will answer what they want the pollster to know, irrespective of the answer solicited. The question asked has an immense influence on the answer.

    But all of that is a smoke screen for your real agenda, is it not?

    Reading your posts down the page has not convinced me that you are a Brit or even that you have a tendency to our views.

    I suspect that you are an Argentine residing outside of the country, as so many do.

    The principle reason for thinking this is your ludicrous statement that not even 88% of Brits would support the intervention (to stop) an AR invasion. The young people ‘were not so sure’ because they were born after the war and when the facts are explained to them their patriotic instincts will prevail.

    You do not understand that when the threat is exposed and British people are at risk, everything changes: political divisions diminish markedly and everybody understands and supports what needs to be done to remove that risk. And the aggressor had better well be ready to defend themselves.

    It really is as simple as that.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    Think,

    But to his credit, the DW poll is a YouGov poll and not only are they generally quite reliable, but their owner is a BIG Conservative Party funder :-)

    Even the first poll I quoted from returned 76% in favour of self-determination, so it is in the same general ballpark .. but that is a VERY different question to actually using military intervention to protect that.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    A recent survey from British opinion polling firm YouGov showed that 88 percent of Britons believe the Falklanders should decide for themselves who gets to rule, do you need me to underline the BRITISH opinion polling firm YOUGOV bit, for god sake stink no Swedish troll would believe a poll carried out from comres and ICM.
    I also stand by my comment @62 if rgenweener tried again “I agree 98% of Brits would back defending the islands as they would with all the BOTs the 2% against being Alex Salmond and dodderyoverdover”
    so the 88% is slightly higher than your, 76% and lower than my 96% so lets just call it 92% and be done with it.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @95 ChrisR

    “You do not understand statistics and the statistical handling of observable data do you? “

    Actually I do, and you haven't produced anything to suggest that I don't. But the fact that you simply make the statement, without explaining why, suggests that you probably don't.

    “Reading your posts down the page has not convinced me that you are a Brit or even that you have a tendency to our views. “

    I've never claimed to be a Brit .. in fact I have always denied being a Brit. As regards tendency to views, that depends what views you are talking about. I support self-determination and the status quo. I vocally oppose Argentinian belligerence and dismiss their claim to sovereignty as preposterous and trumped up.

    “I suspect that you are an Argentine residing outside of the country, as so many do”

    An Argentinian who refers to CFK as “the saggy old whore from La Plate”, who served in the 1982 task Force and has never once said anything that could be interpreted as support for Argentina's position? Right, OK, if you say so :-)

    “The principle reason for thinking this is your ludicrous statement that not even 88% of Brits would support the intervention (to stop) an AR invasion. “

    Right, OK then .. show us your evidence for the fact that “88% of Brits would support the intervention (to stop) an AR invasion”. Fact is, there is nothing ludicrous about it.

    “It really is as simple as that. “

    That is YOUR opinion - and whatever you say, it is only opinion .. and in my opinion, a ludicrous one.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I've never claimed to be a Brit either .. in fact I have always denied being a Brit.

    I'm Skåre-Vuggevise !

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @95 ChrisR

    What you are effectively saying is that because I don't sign up to Conqueror's banal warmongering, war is glorious, attitude about “88% of British people are quite happy to see argieland wiped off the face of the planet”, and people inventing fake statistics to support their overly jingoistic position, you think that I am secretly an Argentinian.

    The simple fact is that I am not going to let bullshit ride just because it is spouted by someone who has the same sovereignty position that I do.

    @100 Think

    OI, you accused me of secretly being a Brit, so you can shut it ;-)

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    I'm Spartacus........

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @63vuggevise

    ”It wasn't a comment on what effort would be put in – but since you mention that, I personally doubt that any serious attempt would be made to defend them again, just as I doubt that any attempt would be made to invade again – it was a comment about infantile, flag-waving, jingoistic claim that 88% would be happy to see “argieland wiped off the face of the planet”.

    Thanks Vuggevise , I do realise his state mention was about wiping out Argie land.

    I took exception to that in my earlier post, I stated that the 88% was a flippant invented number.
    However, after I saw your comments responding to Conq, I wanted to make it clear to you and others, that although not 88% of the UK population wanted to crush Argentina, there is enough support for the UK to do EVERYTHING in their power TO DEFEND THE ISLANDS.

    They have the resolve to commit the armed forces fully, to defend from invaders, and it will be with the intention, not of putting up a meek show, but 100% FULLY committing to retain the islands.

    No forces would go into a conflict intending to lose, once committed!!!

    In that, Conq. is correct.

    I don't know how you arrived at your opinion on the matter - wishful thinking? An attempt to discourage or demoralise us, perhaps ???

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    TMT--Too Much Testosterone.
    Calm down Chaps.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @97 slattzzz

    DOH! The average of 88% and 76% is 82% (not 92%) .. and that is for self-determination, not going to war to defend the islands. 96% is still totally fictitious, and you know it.

    “I don't know how you arrived at your opinion on the matter - wishful thinking? An attempt to discourage or demoralise us, perhaps ???”

    @103 Troy Tempest

    “I don't know how you arrived at your opinion on the matter - wishful thinking? An attempt to discourage or demoralise us, perhaps ???”

    Not at all .. I am just calling out what I see as unadulterated bullshit. But of course you are right when you say that no force would go into conflict intending to lose - if that is what you meant, then I agree with you.

    But why would I want to demoralise you? I am simply expressing what I see - and backing it up, which is a lot more than I can say for the likes of Conqueror and slattzzz, who are just posting jingoistic fantasy. The fact is, war isn't glorious, and having personally manhandled many of the victims from Sir Galahad, I am sick of people who talk so lightly about war, as if it is a game on their Xbox, knowing full and well that it wont be them who are called on to do the fighting.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisReynolds

    ahhhhhhhhhhh CONqueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
    thinking about argie men again!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @105 read again and inwardly digest ” so the 88% is slightly higher than your, 76% and lower than my 96% so lets just call it 92% and be done with it. You must be getting pissed mate YOU stated 76% and I stated 96%, the actual figure was 88% so you were 12% out and I was 8% out so I just lowered mine to make you look good and I WAS talking about self determination, as it says in the article I linked for you, see you have so many alter egos you get confused after answering your own posts for so long unless it's an age thing dod. Trust me if it was going to war to defend the islands it would be 96%, no doubt in my mind at all

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @107 slattzzz

    No confusion here. 96% is fictitious and you know it .. and you haven't linked to anything that supports it or lends any credence to it. My 76% is sourced with links provided.

    “Trust me if it was going to war to defend the islands it would be 96%, no doubt in my mind at all”

    The only thing I trust about you is that you are full of piss and wind.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Better the Kirchner chick than Kirchick =)

    “But the fate of the Falkland Islands — whose citizens expressed a near-unanimous desire to remain part of the United Kingdom this month”

    Oh dear, a mistake in the first paragraph, the Falklands are not now nor have they ever been a part of the UK. The status quo they voted to keep was that they would be continue to be ruled by the UK without being part of it - not really the best deal for any people anywhere I'd have thought!

    #4 Good points Think - wasn't the Turks and Caicos Islands the one where the pro-independence elected government has been suspended for the last year or two? Not sure the Channel Islands or Isle of Man want independence though - incorporation into the UK of which they are geographically and effectively, but not constitutionally, part, would probably be a better solution; and if I was running the UK, I might just use our residual imperial powers on them and the Cayman Islands to close their tax loopholes, as I'm sure Cristina would do if Argentina had been the overlord of a string of offshore tax havens =)

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  • slattzzz

    @108 I am simply expressing what I see - and backing it up, which is a lot more than I can say for the likes of Conqueror and slattzzz, who are just posting jingoistic fantasy. Right numbnuts you say you manhandled lads off Sir Galahad, I say read a book called through Fire and Water the forgotten frigate. It is the story of HMS Ardent, read it and inwardly digest, check out my posting name look at the photos pages 130 and 134 and then tell me that I know nothing of war, then come back and fookin apologise to me under your own name and not some shite you change every day to satisfy your alter ego

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @87 skäre-vugge

    ”I don't know .. look it up. But unlike the poll you gave us (which allows you to vote as many times as you like) ICM adhere to the British Polling Council guidelines on sampling methods, sample sizes and weighting procedures.

    If you don't like that poll, you can try this one from ComRes for ITV News a few weeks ago (ComRes are so disreputable that they have a resident panel of nearly 300 MPs .. actually, that was probably a bad example):”

    Ok, where is the link to the ICM poll then, so we can all see it???

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • El capitano

    It is long past the time for the UK to “TELL” the US to either shit or get off the pot....Enough of American double speak and pure patent hypocricy...!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @110 slattzzz

    Have I said you don't know anything about war? No, I haven't, so the day I apologise to you, or any of your other many multiple-personalities, will be the day someone proves the existence of God.

    And for your information, Skåre is my real name, you dimwitted sad excuse for a wazzock.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @105 The fact is, war isn't glorious, and having personally manhandled many of the victims from Sir Galahad, I am sick of people who talk so lightly about war, as if it is a game on their Xbox, knowing full and well that it wont be them who are called on to do the fighting.
    Well don't be so fuckin quick to judge people on here, you know nothing about me until now, Falklands, Gulf war 1 & 2 Former Yugoslavia and a years tour in Northern Ireland in 1980 so don't fuckin preach to me.
    PS I wouldn't know how to work an xbox but ADAWS and ADIMPS I'd kick your sorry arse

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @111 Troy Tempest

    I posted the link up above in @72.

    @114 slattzzz

    Go swivel you rabid tosser.

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    i quote again “I am simply expressing what I see - and backing it up, which is a lot more than I can say for the likes of Conqueror and slattzzz, who are just posting jingoistic fantasy” so if your real name is Skare tell me where you handled all these men off Sir Galahad it won't be hard to find out with my contacts. See your resorting to insults is that because maybe your full of shit and never been anywhere near a war zone except on your xbox, you sad individual

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @116 slattzzz

    Then, with your contacts, it wont be difficult to access the full rolls of all members of the 1982 task force, will it? You have the name, get to work (or alternatively, look up the posts when your sad Conqueror alter ego tried to catch me out, where you will find full details, including ship, rank, CO, key dates, stations etc. ... which is a lot more than you have offered ... but then again, you probably are as full of shit about F184 as you are about your fantasy 96%).

    As for insults, I suggest you take a long hard look at your own insulting posts, to see what earned you that fully justified response, you sick sad and twisted individual. With that: FOXTROT OSCAR ... vigorously!

    Mar 22nd, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @117 I say again read the book it's a much bigger clue than you have given, I don't need to lie the truth always comes out, maybe one of our other posters on here will work it out. F184 Commander Alan West was Captain later to become the First Sea lord, Hms Yarmouth first ship to come alongside and take the crew off after abandon ship, come on where were you, nice try though looking up HMS Ardent and getting the F184 off the internet I commend your effort, now read the book and get back to me, in fact read the crew list online then tell me what ship or unit you were in and we'll take it from there

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @118 slattzzz

    You have already been caught with your pants on fire, so telling me you don't need to lie is a bit rich. And why would I waste my time reading a book about something I already know about? To see a picture of Mark Slatter, a name you in all probability adopted to add credence to one of your internet alter egos?

    As for the rest, I don't think you are in a position to demand anything (especially as it is just to divert attention from your blatant 96% lies). You boasted about your contacts, so use them and show us that is true (like you couldn't show us your fictitious 96% was true) and then go remarkably silent when you these contacts come back and confirm that someone of my name was indeed in the Task Force .. and that the ship I was on did indeed handle the casualties from both Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram.

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    Well tell us the name then not hard is it you have mine you have photos you have the truth come on grow a pair and let us know who you really are unless you've something to hide. If you were there all respect to you but you've seen I'm not scared to show I'm not a fake you do the same. I'm not conquerer or ever have been I've always been just plain old slattzzz or never felt the need to be anyone else what's your excuse. Well off to bed early shift tomorrow will resume hostilities about noon BST

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Celina

    Comment removed by the editor.

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  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    @120 slattzzz

    With due respect, you haven't shown that you aren't fake (by your own admission, you haven't told us anything that isn't readily available on the net) but I'll take it at face value and don't have any reason to doubt you.

    As for excuses, I don't need any, because I have no alter egos and have only ever had the one login here at mercopress. I admittedly changed my screen name once a few months ago, and made that public knowledge at the time and have never made a secret of it since.

    Anyway, you have the name (although you will find that in the rolls in the Anglicised form of 'Skaare'), I am a Norwegian citizen and I was acting Second Officer (i.e. 3IC) on Atlantic Causeway (if your sources aren't as good as you boast, then that is still verifiable through the National Archives). If your sources are as good as you boast, then they will also confirm that I was granted a nationality waiver after returning from the Falklands and was then commissioned as an officer in the RNR (through which I served in the Gulf War and on and off for many years as a liaison officer with the Armilla Patrol).

    So there you are, go and do your worst.

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    From an impartial point of view (chuckle chuckle :-) I would say that..:
    Mr. Skåre’s story has been quite consistent since his first emergence on these pages….
    I have, (within the humble limitations of my wits, my old computer and a less than optimal Internet link) checked some of his stories and they turned to be true, even the one about his stay in Argentina.
    Nationality, languages, age, height, preferences….. Everything fits snuggly.
    It would become him to remember the Queen’s Commission rules regarding (foul) language, though.
    He certainly could learn something from former RN Commander Doveoverdover's impeccable conduct.

    Mr. slattzzz, on the other hand, comes across as a typical Walt and as an insulting British Turnip with a severe case of paranoia about other posters identities and motivations…
    If he is AB Slater………… Then I’m bloody Tony Robinson ;-)

    El Think
    Chubut, Argentina

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    Sr Think

    I am proudly Merchant Navy to the heart, from north of the Arctic Circle and the son of a North Atlantic trawler man. We all swear like troopers and everything is a f***ing this, or an c***ing that. We may be well-educated, but unlike our pink gin and dress uniform cousins, we eat greasy bacon'n'egg sarnies on the run, wearing greasy boiler suits, and don't do politeness lightly ... unless we have sacrificed all pride and stooped to working on cruise liners ;-)

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hr. Skåre

    Fair enough…..
    I'm mostly blue-collar to but
    A little civility has, as far as I know, never harmed any of us.

    MVH
    El Think

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    That works both way .. you have to show it to earn it ;)

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @122 skare I have no reason to doubt you either, and you have my respect as a fellow Mariner,
    @124 You are right to be proud as I am of my 28 years in the Royal Navy, never made it past CPO so no pink gins for me just beer

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Are we all friends now :-)))

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ynsere

    Argentina's neighbours all have good reasons to fear it, with the possible exception of Brazil. Bolivia, Chile, Falklands, Paraguay and Uruguay should develop a common policy to deal with the bullying.

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    It seem that we are all friends now..............

    Imagine...., chances are that Mr. Slattzzz and Mr. Skåre may well have sailed together in the Armilla patrol.......

    Wouldn't that be nice?
    “Comrades in Arms” and all that....

    Mar 23rd, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @129think

    “It seem that we are all friends now..............”

    Well, no Think, you are NOT included.

    Sorry, Slatz and Vuggy are able to respect each other because they served with honour, bravery, and integrity.

    Oops, that leaves you out. :-(

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    The UN Charter clearly expresses the universal principle of self determination.
    The SG should clear up CFK's mental confusion!

    Philippe

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    The only thing vuggivice is consistent about is his need to slag off anybody who doeesnt agree with him... his “intelligent” resort to people is always abusive.

    Then he'll toddle-off and claim the moral and intellectual high ground.... whacko.

    DOnt care where hes been or what hes seen, hes an ignorant clown who couldnt spot a fact if it smacked him in the face (and they have done so on many an occasion on this forum already - hes still blind to them though).

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    132 Anbar

    Got it in one, which is why I have stopped posting with him.

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Vuggevise would certainly not win any popularity contest with his short temper and his vocabulary....

    But he ain't no Ignorant Lying Turnip as the four last posters above.

    I haven't yet seen one single British turnip that aroused his wreath, leave the room walking....

    The complete obliteration of Mr. AB Slater “Fantasy Statistics” we can see above is a perfect example of it.......

    Godt skuldret, Mr. Skåre.

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  • slattzzz

    Really stink ? Whatever

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  • Troy Tempest

    @134thinkedover
    Whatever his service history, Mr. Vuggevise seems to be very bitter with a big chip on his shoulder - hmmm, much like Dame Dover, the fake Brit.

    Is 'the Dame 'modelled after Vuggevise???

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Yes Mr Slattzzz, really.

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @134 I CAN'T THINK aka The Turnip In Chief aka The Biggest Liar on MP

    “But he ain't no Ignorant Lying Turnip as the four last posters above.”

    I most certainly do not lie and I have no reason to think the others you refer to do either.

    ON THE OTHER HAND you have been proven to lie through your stained old back teeth over most things.

    Remember your 'Russian Pilots Watch' which is nothing of the sort?

    Remember your consummate lack of knowledge regarding firearms and trying to badger Isolde over the matter?

    No, you bitter and twisted old git, you can carry on protesting you are ‘straight’ ;o( , you can even out twist a corkscrew.

    Mar 24th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fillooooo

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  • Hepatia

    The neocons are still with us. Who knew?

    This article shoes just how un-American they are.

    Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JohnN

    South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands matter too!

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  • axel arg

    ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF MEDIOCRE JOURNALISM.

    After reading such a decadent editorial, i apppreciate more than ever the fact of having investigated deeply about this question, instead of believing in our mendacious official history, written by the conservative sectors from our society, or in the history told by an empire in decadence like the u. k.
    Kirchick's editorial is full of omissions and mediocre prejudgments, which something tipicall of the empires, every time they refer to the leftist governments from latin america.
    Kirchick forgat to say in his pro colonialist editorial that this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation by the u. n., in fact, that institution has never applied the right to self determination for the population from the islands, as it did for other colonial situations. If you get into the u. n.'s website, you won't find any resolution which says: application of the right to self determination for the population from the malvinas-falkland islands.
    On the other hand, the president from the decolonization committe explained twice in 9 months the reasons why self determination can't be applied for this cause.
    I recommend kirchick and all the rest of the colonialists to search in the news archive from this website, what the president said in relation to this issue, in fact, he repeated the concept a few days before that so called referendum.
    It seems that for kirchik, the u. k's rejection to the u. n's resolutions which call both countries to resume the negotiations, is not something repudiable. Beyond his too partial analysis, it's necesary to remind him and all the rest of the hypocrites, that the govt. from the islands has never been considered by the u. n. as a third part in this conflict.
    Although many people reject it, the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations, everybody have right to think whatever, but what we can't do, is this kind of mediocre and too partial analysis like kirchik's.

    Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    In searching this site and others as recommended by axel arg I can see a clear case of Argentine Colonialism off the back of a blatant rise in Nationalism orchestrated by the current Argentine Government in a bid to hide ever-decreasing popularity and failings on the economy.

    I cannot find anywhere that the UN supports Argentinas claims of sovereignty or that the inhabitants of the Falklands have no rights to self-determination.

    There is clear evidence of the UN having issued many non-binding resolutions asking Argentine & Britain to discuss sovereignty but these all seem to have been rather negated by an Argentine military invasion of the Islands in 1982.

    It is very clear that the political and social standards back when these resolutions were passed bear little resemblance to today's standards and the ever-growing support for self-determination, as outlined by the head of the UN.

    As such I'd like to thank Axel Arg for arguing so successfully on behalf of the Islanders and the general case for other nations to support the results of this referendum regardless of the rampant Nationalism ongoing inside Argentina that has little to do with the modern world and a lot to do with expansion of the Argentine empire from Patagonia into the Falklands, South Georgia and thence Antarctica.

    Well done Axel!

    Mar 28th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    ANNBAR.
    In your comment you show that you understood just what you wanted, like many other people do, instead of making a serious analysis.
    If you read my comment again, you'll see that i recommended people to search what the president from the decolonization committe expressed in relation to the application of the right to self determination for this cause. If some people prefer to invalid what he said, because his expressions don't coincid with their repeated propaganda, sorry, but it just showes once and again how mediocre many those people are.
    I have never denied that perhaps self dtermination is applicable for this case, but if i make a serious and objetive analysis of this question, i just can say that it's very arguable, because of the u. n.'s posture.

    Mar 28th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @142 & 144 axel arg,
    A very mediocre analysis, Axel.
    You'll have to try harder next time.

    Mar 29th, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kenR

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  • Liliana

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  • lsolde

    @147 Liliana,
    You forgot:-
    Think..........,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,/////////////
    Marcos............,,,,,,,,,,///////////
    José Mal-de-dum-dum..........,,,,,,,,,,,///////////
    Malvinero1..............,,,,,,,,,,,,,,////////////
    DanyBerger............,,,,,,,,,,,///////////
    l am ALL of them, now you know my secret.
    @146 kenR,
    Up yours, Bozo.

    Mar 29th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @148 Isolde

    Isolde

    “Sussie” is working overtime to try to suck everyone in by baiting them.

    Frankly, I've told Sussie that he is the most boring troll on here. He hates it when I tell him that.

    He has no substance to his posts, except to express himself as a pederast. He excels at that.

    Just ignore him.

    Mar 30th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Big Bad John

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  • Don Gutierrez

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  • Anglotino

    @149 Troy

    I do believe that Sussie likes you!

    She just can't stop chasing you..... how lucky do you feel?

    Mar 31st, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    152 Anglotino

    I should imagine anybody going with Sussie would be in for the jackpot of HIV, Syphilis and the rest of the clap if she uses condoms 'made in Argentina'.

    LOLs

    Mar 31st, 2013 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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