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Falklands’ dispute: Vatican sources confirm non involvement, it is a matter for sovereign states
The Vatican’s policy of non intervention in the Falklands/Malvinas Islands dispute between Argentina and Britain was confirmed by official sources in the Vatican, the UK ambassador to the Holy See Nigel Baker revealed to The Telegraph Sunday edition. Read full article
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Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Supposedly everyone supports Argentina and the UK is isolated in this matter.
CFK looks to this man, as god’s representative on earth,
Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0No disrespect intended]
So when he says no,
That mean then the man upstairs is saying no,
You can’t get any higher than these two men,
So CFK will have no choice but to drop it,
But she won’t, because like drug addicts, she is so obsessed with the British Falklands, she cannot drop it,
To her, its victory or nothing,
Sadly then, it will be nothing,
Still,
Who wants to take bets, when she leaves she will thank him for his support over the Falklands, like everyone else she meets.
But no one really listens or cares.
Night night ..
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Gods rep says no to support for Argentinas claim to sovereignty of Falklands. Does this mean tbat Timerman will call off his visit to the UN? Not a chance the man is an idiot.!
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Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMAO.....You cant make this stuff up.....Do the Arigies know how foolish they really look...??..Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!
Mar 25th, 2013 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Truely... KFC Chicken Legs ... Thought to ask the Pope for help in this matter... She obviously doesn't realize that she is the laughing stock of the world in this matter...
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0She should just step down... Take what she has managed to pilfer and go home... Better yet she can check into a permanent aesthetic surgery centre.. That would keep her happy..
Pathetic waste of space...!!
It's as I had suggested in the other thread, he's a figure head who has to follow policy rather than set it.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have to say CFK looks terribly ill in that picture. Her face is bloated and an unusual shape. I wonder if her condition is worse than has previously been described by the medical staff?
UK rightly forecasted the non-involvement of the Pope. Who the hell advises CFK about trying to get the Pope on board, ah yes, her late husband.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Bergoglio as Bishop said there were literally angels fighting with the Argentine soldiers in 1982, but Francis the Pope now refuses to even promote peace talks; and all with the weasel words that its a matter for sovereign states when the Vatican IS a sovereign state and has the unique ability among religious organisations to intervene at that level - just not for peace in the South Atlantic it seems. So now this extreme Malvinista crumples before Cameron's position and no doubt will be celebrated by the Conqueror trolls here; the contradictions of being a right winger! Viva Cristina, clearly still the greatest Argie!
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 9. Are you smoking that wacky stuff again. The pope is “supposedly” the earthly figure of christ, as we all know christ was born in Bethlehem not Buenos Aires, therefore why is Francis likely to intervene on Argentinas behalf? Cruella and Tin Potman will now instruct other argentinian nonentities to carry on with the “anti Bergoglio campaign” and denounce him as some sort of British loving traitor. Does Ricky Gervais write all political doctrine/speeches/policies in Argentina ...
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh BK, I feel for you, so upset at the Vatican. I wouldn't blame the pope though, he's just a figurehead after all and has to follow policy.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Alienating the UK and commonwealth wouldn't be a good move for a failing religion if you think about it logically and for what 3,000 people that live on a little Island that Argentine fantasies over. Especially when PM Cameron has warned the pope to not approach the subject and the UK has a strong history of delivering beat downs to any pope that exceeds his remit. Essentially the church and all of the people that support it in these countries is far more important than Argentina's farcical claim.
No surprises here.
@9
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a sensible position from the Vatican. Think of it for their point of view, they have nothing to win by entering into this and would be accused of bias towards Argentina (this being compounded by the fact that it is a Catholic country). Also, anything but total sovereignty over the islands would be deemed as failure and he would probably be marked as a traitor to the cause. To become involved in this would be folly especially when they Catholic Church has so many more important issues to deal with and issues which really effect the lives of Catholics (abortion, contraception, sex before marriage, paedophilia, sexism etc...). To wade in here where there is no chance of solving anything would undermine the Church and start a papacy those priorities are severely misguided.
Also, what people seem to forget here (my Argentinean friends included, is that as a Bishop in BA, Bergoglio had to pander to his sea, thus the comments about Angles fighting with the troops (this is patently not true). Francis as Pope has the Catholic world to consider and it would demean his office to make this a priority.
CFK’s government should have sounded them out beforehand to see what their position would be and this looks a little bit embarrassing for them.
I wonder if her aim was to discredit the Pope in the eyes of Argentines for betraying the nation and not supporting the Falklands obssession? Timmerman has already had to deny that they hadn't been spreading rumours to discredit him prior to the election - when they clearly had.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it me or does the photo above look as though the Pope is trying not to laugh at her?
Mar 25th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 BK
Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if the Angels were literally fighting with Argentine soldiers in 1982, then they must be crap fighters.
Now if you want to believe what many people thought for years, that the outcome of battles depended on the will of God, then the Angels couldn't have been fighting with Argentina, they were obviously fighting along side the British. And because Britain won, it's obvious that God believes that the Falklands are British.
Therefore, the Vatican by not involving itself along side the anti-Christ - Cristina - is following God's will of the Falklands remaining British.
So since CFK doesn't have God on her side, perhaps she should just throw in the towel before the angry mobs give her a short drop with a sudden stop.
Of course, all that 'God' deciding battles is a fallacy. The British won because we were better fighters, had better morale, and we knew we were on the side of right.
Your beloved CFK hasn't much time left - the end is nigh!
This is hilarious. How many people did she take with her to Rome? And at what cost (in dollars)? And not one of them thought to check in with the Vatican, and ask if there might be a change in policy if she bleated to the Pope about her obsession?
Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman, Timerman, Timerman.... What is it you do for your money again? Its supposed to be that diplomatic channel, communication, prepare the ground for the big cheeses malarky...
One question from a British diplomat was all it took to dismantle the CFK circus. Price of a phone call.
The main reason the UK won was the Argentine navy fled the field of battle. Had they stood and fought they would have suffered huge losses but probably prevented a landing. All they had to do was disable or sink one carrier.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once the beachhead was a established it was game over. The Chicos were never going to win a battle against elite brigades from frontline NATO forces - and they didn't.
I think god must have called in sick that day.
@17 - Idlehands
Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that Argentina doesn't want to work for anything, they just want it all right now.
They've had 30 years where they could've impoved relations with the Falkland Islanders, to show that they were different than the Junta, but that would've involved some effort on their part.
It's much easier to sit back and whine and hope someone will just give them everything they want.
Just like hoping God would somehow act on their behalf! It's ridiculous!
Have these people never seen 55 days at Peking? ”Sir Arthur (David Niven) always gives me the impression that God must be an Englishman!” ;)
Lollage....Oh well, Back to the drawing board for the peronist reich...
Mar 25th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION............Even gods people are content with it :)
@7,11 I wonder at your view that the Pope is just a figurehead. It's generally accepted that, in any large organisation, the “leader” takes advice. This is often because organisations that swing from one viewpoint to another may be seen as unstable. Hardly the impression that the Catholic church would want to give. Especially given the proclamation, in 1870, of the dogma of papal infallibility.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9 You should perhaps note that, over the years, popes have gradually been forced to give up the temporal power that they once wielded. To quote: “Currently, in addition to the expansion of the Christian faith and doctrine, the popes are dedicated to ecumenism and interreligious dialogue, charitable work, and the defense of human rights.” I believe your idea about the Pope being able to “intervene” went out with the Middle Ages.
@10 “The pope is “supposedly” the earthly figure of christ” I think not. In the Catholic church, the pope is seen as the successor to Saint Peter the Apostle. It is traditionally held that he was crucified upside down at his own request, since he saw himself unworthy to be crucified in the same way as Jesus Christ. It would be difficult to contend that an elected human, with a known life before election, could be “the earthly figure of christ”. But he does hold the title of Vicar of Jesus Christ.
@12 It's not a “sea”, it's a “see”. And “Angles” were a Germanic tribe that settled in England.
@18 Surely you remember that for around 10 years they did “try”. Then Nestor K realised that trying to act like “good guys” wasn't getting them anywhere. In 2007, he tore up the agreements over hydrocarbons exploration and “reduced” co-operation on fishing.
10 commonsense
Mar 25th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does Ricky Gervais write all political doctrine/speeches/policies in Argentina ...”
There is a bit of a problem with that of course, like me Ricky is an atheist but he does know about the snake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FmsIPmnJRs
Sorry, bit I just cannot take this stupid, stupid woman any longer. Can't somebody, anybody, top her and put her out of her misery?
@16, ”This is hilarious. How many people did she take with her to Rome? And at what cost (in dollars)? And not one of them thought to check in with the Vatican, and ask if there might be a change in policy if she bleated to the Pope about her obsession?”
Mar 25th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look the new head witchdoctor is from Argentina and she's the queen, it would have been rude not to go. But it was ruder still for her to lean all needy-like on him. Sheesh.
@21 Be careful what you wish for. In the case of your fellow atheist Hitler, had someone assassinated him and left a power vacuum, then someone making better decisions might have taken his place and won the war.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the case of KFC, it's probably better she stays just where she is.
4 Fillooooo
Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos the Imposter
@24
Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bedtime sussie turnip
The British mind reminds me of a summer moth trapped by a porch light. It is the same old same old... whatever any nation does that is “not Britain”, and they don't agree with, is “ridiculous”.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have no failings, they never do anything ridiculous. They are beyond reproach. They have never been on the wrong side. They always have a reason to excuse past injustices.
Is it any wonder they were all excomunicated 500 years ago.
@26
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad you understand us, you forgot to mention that we also have awesome armed forces that will kick your butt should you ever forget it! Oh the vast majority of British subjects are not catholic, the pope means nothing in the UK and just to correct you, it was us that told pope to shove it, not the other way round.
So much for having G*d as your co-pilot huh KFC??????
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL's
26 John Troll the 3rd
You know what? when I was 5, I had an imaginary friend too. But then I grew up.
Sounds like the Catholic's in Rome / rest of the world need to grow up too.
@28
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My child, repent.
@27
My child, I will troll for you now.
@29
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi little troll
Still nothing say, just the same old, same old
I will troll for you now.
Expect Bergoglio to offer a nod and a wink to the SA populaces as he tours the continent and receives the adulation of the masses. (Hell, he might get bigger audiences than did Chavez; but can he match the numbers at the Salvador Carnival, or even Rio's Gay and Lesbian parades)
Mar 25th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are things he cannot say 'officially'. But he can let his position be known in so many nuanced acts and statements. If the 'poor' want the Falklands, Bergoglio will say “I support the poor in all their struggles”.
29 John Troll the 3rd
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to pack your toys away son, it's wwwaaaaayyy passed your bedtime.
29
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My child
The British are the best,
Loyal, Swarve , sophisticated ,brilliant , clever , trustworthy , respected ,
Charming, loving , friendly ,
But to our enemies they can be,
Ferocious, tough, violent, vigilant, warriors, fighters, fearsome,
Also-
Protectors of the tiny , small , weak , underdog , the abused , the bullied ,
Protectors of the innocent ,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
And if that don’t convince you,
Probably the best destroyers, in the world , new best frigates , astute subs , aircraft carriers , stealth fighters , stealth drones ,
And the list goes on,
Lets face it,
My indoctrinated child,
Forget your silly dreams and grow up..lol.
just a nice dream , thoughts lolol.
@28 toooldtodieyoung
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't grow up, your intellect devolved.
As for CFK, is there anyone left either within or without this universe she hasn't tried to lobby over the Falklands?
Walking Dead Perhaps lol.
Mar 25th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 023 Shed-time
Mar 25th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You disappoint me greatly because I thought you were much better informed and also could put up with different views on the delusion of ‘religion’.
You believe the post war American lie about Hitler who was in fact a RC which is why the then pope had a cosy relationship with him.
The Americans hate atheists with a vengeance: perhaps you do as well.
Regarding AR having a replacement: fine, do you really believe they will be any better than her in pulling the country of crooks, gangsters and corrupt officials at all levels of the government out of the present tail-spin?
@26 Problem is, we told you that your “religion” was shit. Replete with avarice, greed, theft, torture, murder, genocide, rape, did I mention murder?, theft and lies. Nothing you say can be believed. Here's a deal. We destroy 42 million of the argie population. Given the “remainder”, I could offer AR$34,.000. But, in the UK, who'd give a toss?
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Mar 25th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 I don't dislike athiests, I just dislike athiests who charge about trying to find anyone religious and then shouting at them about how they are wrong and richard dawkins is 'right'. Then they follow one to the pub telling you that scientific 'theories' are all truth, without seemingly understanding the underlying philosophical viewpoint of fundamentalist postivism that they adhere to... then they call all thiests hypocrites for trying to force their opinions down people's throats. It's those kinds of athiests that I really don't have a lot of time for, and their mega-grey chat about life being grey.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hitler was a well known athiest, however he did dabble in occultism following long forgotten german folk religions due to their alignment with his nationalistic views. Athiests just don't like this fact, because they like to paint all thiests as having caused the ills of this world, forgetting pol-pot, mao, lenin, stalin, kim jong il, kim il sung, hitler, etc.
KFC is doing a lot of damage to Argentina, and this prevents them from affording to invade anywhere.
@38 Can't wait to go back to your country, can you.
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Mar 26th, 2013 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 039 Shed-time
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A popular image of the Nazis is that they were fundamentally anti-Christian while devout Christians were anti-Nazi. The truth is that German Christians supported the Nazis because they believed that Adolf Hitler was a gift to the German people from God.”
“Adolf Hitler was baptized in a Catholic Church in 1889 and was never be excommunicated or in any other way officially censured by the Catholic Church. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings.”
“In one 1933 speech, he said that ”To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk.“ In another he said: ”We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
I could carry on, but now the link; you may not like this but the guy has no reason to lie:
http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/1417-hitler-was-an-atheist-who-killed-millions-in-the-name-of-atheism-secularism
38
Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0does doing thick run concurrent where you live,
at the very least with you undereducation,
at least try to speaka da English,
silly plebb.
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Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Celina #44, and Pugol #38
Mar 27th, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are being disgusting and are disgraces to whatever countries you come from.
Try to not compete with the worst of the social standards you see about you. Try to be the best and you will both develop a personal pride in yourself and be a credit to your nationality.
44
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your true colours,
abusive and angratfull,
loves to hurt others but cries when returns,
why people reply to you is rather odd,
something this guy will not in future,
but just laugh at it,
after all, we have everything you want,
so why should we entertain you.
mmmmmmmmm
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Mar 28th, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0graciela #48
Mar 28th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0with respect, she is being abusive (#44 Comment deleted, but not via me)
Some Brits use coarse language as well; this also disgusts me. But usually they do it less because the Mercopress language is English and it is easier to use language nuance to forcefully argue, rather than straightforward abuse.
Argue well, graciela, but don't stoop to abuse.
Geoff.
agreed
Mar 28th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are all Sussie!
Mar 29th, 2013 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@49 You shouldn't respond to Sussie in any of her incarnations. It only encorages her. She is, after all, only an abusive, ignorant, argie wetback on the “job”, or is that “jobbie”. (A Scottish term).
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Mar 29th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie makes Argentineans look worse than any of us EVER could!
Mar 29th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How embarrassing that it is Sussie that is single handedly trying to defend Argentina's honour.
No wonder Argentina is in so much trouble keep it up Sussie, you make our job easier. So glad to have you on our side.
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Mar 30th, 2013 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@55 Sussie
Mar 30th, 2013 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0STOP PROVING MY POINT!
You are obviously on our side because you make Argentineans look so bad.
In case no one has said it, thanks!
From the bottom of our...... well just from our bottoms maybe considering your scatological tendencies...... thank thank thank you.
You brighten my day!
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Mar 31st, 2013 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@57 Sussie
Mar 31st, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for proving you read all my posts!
PMSL
''on our side because you make argentineans look so bad”
Apr 02nd, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0stupid comment made by a gay aussie
SussieUS don't represent the USA or Argentina in Merco=british crap=Press
@59 Sussie
Apr 02nd, 2013 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop flirting. You're making me blush. As you have said, I'm gay so your continual hitting on me will only end in tears.
By the way, thanks for being so anti-Argentinean. It sure livens up the place compared to Axel Arg's monotone, Nostils histrionics and Think's dementia that causes him to change the subject every 5 minutes.
I know it's hindsight, but you do know that antibiotics work before syphilis enters the tertiary phase.
#42 Hitler was an anti-communist who occassionally invoked religion in his fight against “atheistic communism”; he was certainly not personally devout, at least in any conventionally understood sense, and at times cursed Christianity as a Jewish invention that had weakened the Aryan race. State atheism (as opposed to the personal atheist convictions of the likes of Marx, which I don't share but do respect) was one of the biggest mistakes of 20th century communism, and gave a rallying focus to reactionaries from the Nazis to the mujahideen/al-Qaeda nutters that America funded to fight the commies in Afghanistan; how did that one work out again???
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