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Falklands/Malvinas discussions between UK and Argentine lawmakers
Lawmakers from Argentina and the UK attending the 128th Inter-parliamentarian Union assembly held in Ecuador have been holding intense but ‘respectful’ discussions about the Falklands/Malvinas sovereignty dispute. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesoh god will thier incessant babbling ever cease..................ICJ losers
Mar 26th, 2013 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no another CFK mouthpiece, the article started off well but ended on the same old note, They just don't get it, the referendum is only the begining of the end game, which ultimately will no doubt in the years to come lead to Independence.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 2 issues here are, Colonies and Self determination, Firstly the peoples of the Falklands cannot be denied their right to self determination. Secondly handing over the Falklands in one form or another to Argentina, would actually create a colony. But Argentina refuses to accept either of these realities
HOw in this century can we still have colonies!!!!???????????
Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0In effect the genetic makeup of RG land suggests colonism - right or wrong?
It suggest a population was imp[lanted in SA, and then leads on to suggest that by creating RGland, the popultion of europeans had to systematically opress and overrun the local population.
For fudge sake RGland - YOU ARE (GENTICS PROVE IT) A NATION THAT IS A PRODUCT OF COLONISM! you really are a bunch of fudging monkeys if you can not see it!
So why not give patagonia to the native indians and show how really equal and balanced you are about colonial/territorial situations.
Lying, greedy, thieving RG's!
Usual rubbish from the Argies. The UK is NOT in breach of any UN Resolutions as confirmed by the UN Secretary-General in December.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Our delegation insisted the Malvinas are Argentine and the Islands are occupied territory.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm, I think there has only been one UN resolution saying the Islands are occupied territory and demanding the occupiers leave and that was in 1982.
'Not a colonised a colonized population but rather implanted.'
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then,
'How in the 21c can we still have colonies.'
Make your bloody mind up!
Let's face it, even if this went to the ICJ and Argentina lost, they would still be rattling on and on about it as they care not for laws nor judgements.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Shed-time
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We all know that Argentina only follows international law when it rules in their favour, but at least the rest of the world would come to understand how all of Argentina's claims are outright lies, based on an illegal and failed military garrison that was on the Islands for 2 months in 1832/1833.
The reason the Argentine government won't got to the ICJ and get this 'issue' resolved, is because it's too useful a tool to distract the multitudes from the fact that successive Argentine governments are corrupt and inept.
Until Argentine 'gets' over this, they will never progress as a country and a democracy.
Like spoiled children they refuse to acknowledge that they are wrong, and they want, and want and want. Children of course often learn from their mistakes, something that Argentinians can't seem to grasp.
In a way, there's a small part of me that hopes Argentina will try something monumentally stupid, like attempting to invade. It would be an act of war, and this time Britain should ensure that the Argentine surrender includes the dropping of their erroneous claims, removing the offending parts out of their constitution, and reforming their education system to tell the real history of the Falklands.
I know, I know, it's a pipe dream and I really wouldn't want a war because many people on both sides would suffer and perhaps be killed, but like I said there is that small part of me that wishes they would.
Sure, 'territorial nationalism' always needs some long stolen piece of land to groan on about and unite the people. China uses it. Hitler used it. KFC uses it.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is the lifeblood of authoritarianism.
Department of Obsfucation Argentina
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brawer is deluded. These British “lawmakers” have no mandate to discuss anything regarding the sovereignty of the Falklands. They may as well discuss it with the pixies at the bottom of their garden - it makes about as much sense.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand it they the Argies cannot sit down and discuss sovereignty because they are constrained by their constitution to only discuss when the UK will hand the Falklands over to them. The UK no longer has any right to discuss such a handover as this is now in the hands of the self governing government of the Falklands who are willing to talk to Argies but will not accept any such precondition as discussing their handover to Argentina. I think it reasonable to conclude that it suits Argentina to keep the pot bubbling as a distraction which I know is very much the view of everyone outside Argentina who looks at the matter. Argentina has huge natural resources which somehow it keeps failing to develop. The answer is probably going to be after Falklands oil flows in 2016/17 the country declares independence and signs a treaty with the UK for mutual defense.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A bilateral meeting...”, does anyone else think this is going to be used as BS Argentine propaganda?
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina [...]DEMANDS that the UN resolutions on the dispute be complied and this means both sides HAVE TO sit down and dialogue”. The UN does not demand though, does it? Yet more BS propaganda.
Mara Brawer says the Falklanders are implanted. I would be interested to know how many people have emigrated to Argentina, and how many persons of other SA nationalities are also working there, since the Falklands War. Not percentages, but actual numbers. The fact that Falklanders are starting from such a small population number to build up their population through self-controlled immigration should not be used against them as propaganda, and I think Mara Brawer should also take a look at her own family tree because she does not look like an Amerindian to me.
If Mara Brawer thinks that voting to keep the current relationship with the UK somehow enslaves the people of the Falklands to London Government, who in turn can then treat them as some kind of commodity and totally ignore the opinions of the local population, then this in itself should be expanation enough in the UN as to why Argentina should be rebuffed. This quote should be highlighted to BKM in any correspondence regarding Argentine attitudes to the Falklanders, and other peoples in general.
“Argentina has no intention of imposing its sovereignty over the Islands''
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a bare faced lie.
It's written in to the RG constitution that they must have sovereignty over the Islands.
An RG liar who doesn't have the wit to remember the latest addition to his own constitution..........
The Brits in the delegation are there for trade, not to trade away sovereignty. If Argentina want to move up in the world, talk about trade. If they want to rake over mythology, let them talk amongst themselves.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mara Brawer is a downright liar, the British MPs would not discuss the SOVEREIGNTY of the Islands because they have NO remit to do so. What the discussion WAS about is trade and investment, this stupid FpV deputy has made up the rest of this rubbish!!!!!!!!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boycot Arg goods, they crap anyway
Mar 26th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh dear ANOTHER delusional Argie Liar...ie...Mara Brawer......“Yawn”...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...!!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 and all
Mar 26th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0re. the often used word -demand-
Its possible this is simply a bad translation. In spanish the word -pedir- can mean both to -ask/request- or -demand-
This meeting in Quito is unlikely to be of much importance viz a viz the Falklands/Malvinas dispute being engineered by Argentina.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This unimportant Argentine delegate is, obviously, just following orders from la Kretina to make the most of nothing and stir up trouble again.
“intense but ‘respectful’” Translation: The AR delegation acted like idiots and tried to bait and bully the Island reps (given the childish and predictable comments from Brawer), and the Islanders didn't take the bait and remained the adults in the room.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent note to the legislator, Mara Brawer.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The lawmaker said that during talks with the UK delegation in Quito “our delegation insisted that the Malvinas are Argentine and that the archipelago is occupied territory and certainly not a colonized population, but rather implemented”.
He also ruled that the “conflict is a third”, and dialogue is claiming that the UN should take place between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom.
Furthermore, in the recent referendum in the Falkland Islands “, recognized the local people living on the islands were British, and therefore are not ratified the third leg of the conflict.”
Finally, legislators belonging to the “Front for Victory” pooling of President Cristina Fernandez, and represents the City of Buenos Aires, said “how in the XXI century can still have colonies?
All these arguments are true. In the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations, of the 16 cases of colonialism, 10 are caused by the United Kingdom. This comparison illustrates everything.
Ban Ki-moon says the international community is more convinced than ever that colonialism has no place in the modern world, ”said Ban.” Eradication of Colonialism, according to the principles of the Charter and the relevant resolutions of the United Nations, is our common endeavor. '
Refers to the UN resolutions and the Decolonization Committee.
In other words, the elimination of colonialism and imperialism of English Siglo21.
is what is waiting for the international community and world public opinion.
In accordance with the principles of the charter, ergo, self extermination!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will somebody kindly translate @23 Raul? ¡No entiendo nada!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Danmn auto spell, that should be self determination.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#23
Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You agree wholeheartedly with YOUR mouthpiece - what a surprise. A meeting in “neutral ” Ecuador ! How unbiased could that be. I note that the usual monologue was given, Did the UK delegation say anything or were they too bored to reply ?
World opinion means Argentine govt. opinion
International opinion means Argentina's sycophantic chums opinion as dictated by Argentina.
#23 Raul
Mar 26th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pink Pope has said he doesn't want more deliveries of eggs, and his brewflade is absolutely pickled now he has hurdles it with his wimwam.
Mrs Kirchner has spent hours dingling her dangle and it still won't work so she is taking it to the sore doctor next Wednsday.
Mr Timerman has been having trouble with his sink plug and is calling in an electrical plumber to see if he can untangle the wudgit in preparation for a declaration of interdependence of wily rats.
Is that clear enough for you?
so much argie brain washing,
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she calls herself a lawyer,
and the first crap from her mouth is,
they are ours,
and your implanted,
well surprise surprise,
they are not argentine,
never was and never will be,.
I always thought it was impossible for anybody to out dumb TMBOA and thus attain the presidency at the next fixed election but I was wrong: step forward Mara Brawer!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I think the UK should invite the FALKLANDERS to attend the meeting in Argentina, but politely say that William Hague will not be able to attend as he has more pressing issues to attend to.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I “Think” it was a smart move to appoint this Anglo-Argentinean Woman Legislator to these Inter-Parlamentarian talks.....
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She must be implanted then, what says you “ Think ”, just like the FALKLANDERS Ha,Ha
“how in the XXI century can we still have colonies?”
Mar 27th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0These guys are funny, the world is covered in colonies and one is Argentina! There are no new colonies and the Falklands is not new, infact older than Argentina itself. They are trying to apply modern law to 180 years ago and of course this will always fail!
Also i think Japan is on the UKs side, the speech about bullys tryng to take land and talking about Thatcher etc. Thats all Argentina is, a bully trying to illegally claim land
@ 31
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ THINK ” talk me through this Anglo-Argentinian, what is an Anglo- Argentinian in your eyes?, please explain
Most of the Argentinians are of European descent, having colonised the Americas and killed off the Ameridians. What does she know about history? Stupid Boy
@31 - Just as it was a smart move to appoint Anglo-Argentines Barry Melbourne-Hussey and Carlos Bloomer-Reeve to head the occupation. Not.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHA many people very nervious here hahaha!!Malvinas Argentinas
Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#36
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, the Argies are beginning to crap themselves now.
they are being pressed from a great hight to tell the truth,
Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and stop the bullying.
@22
Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“people living on the islands were British”
Many were born in the Falkland Islands.
St Helenians and Tristan da Cunhans are British.
What they are not and have no wish to be are Argentinian as this would lower their living standards.
Argentina cannot run a huge country properly so Argentina running the Falklands would lead to all the fish being made extinct, the islands would be filled with houses where the toilet was the bedroom or the middle of a carpet, and they would be unable to find any oil as they have to get in outside help to find their own oil.
In other words all the argentines would do in the Falklands is mess up the place totally within 5 years.
@ 28 briton
Mar 27th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'she calls herself a lawyer,'
.... so does KFC....
My father in law was an Abrogado in Argentina and he slept with a .45 calibre automatic under his pillow.
Mar 28th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 040,
Mar 28th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes but not very good ones.
All KFC learnt at law school ( which she didn't graduate from) was how to gain title to government land so you could on sell it at a massive profit. In the real world she would be scratching to earn a wage as a conveyancer....
Mar 28th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember how the audience at Harvard pissed themselves laughing when she said she had made her millions as a successful lawyer?
very true.
Mar 29th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Your “legislator” is hilarious. What she has demonstrated is that she “hears” what she wants to hear.
Mar 29th, 2013 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has no intention of imposing its sovereignty over the Islands but demands that the UN resolutions on the dispute be complied and this means both sides have to sit down and dialogue”. Oh dear, that argie word “demands” again. Does she have enough neurones to understand that you can't “demand” compliance with something that is NON-BINDING?
“The Argentine lawmaker revealed that next June a delegation of British members of parliament will be visiting Argentina to address such issues as bilateral trade, cultural cooperation and “why not talks over the Malvinas sovereignty”. It's fairly easy to understand why not. Timerman thought he could have discussions with Hague but without the Islanders. He didn't get them.
“The UK delegation said that the emphasis of the visit should be on trade and investments, with no priority for the Malvinas issue, but I anticipate that talking about the Islands won’t be absent from the overall discussions”, said Brawer.” Ever watched a UK delegation get up and walk out? You'll be able to see it in June!
“The lawmaker underlined that during the talks with the UK delegation in Quito “our delegation insisted that the Malvinas are Argentine and that the archipelago is an occupied territory and certainly not a colonized population but rather implanted”. You don't get to ”insist“.
”Furthermore in the recent referendum in the Malvinas Islands, “the local population that lives in the Islands acknowledged they were British, and thus ratified that they are not the third leg of the conflict”. No they didn't. They voted to retain their current political status.
”Finally the lawmaker which belongs to the grouping “Victory Front” from President Cristina Fernandez and represents the City of Buenos Aires said that “how in the XXI century can we still have colonies?” We don't have any and argieland isn't getting one!
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