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Malvinas: first time Latam groups at UN work together in support of Argentina’s claim
Regional groups from South America for the first time are working together on the Malvinas question at the United Nations in support of Argentina’s claims, said the Peruvian delegate on Tuesday, something which he described as “very positive”. Read full article
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Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well surprise surprise
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It is good that they are working together on something rather than stabbing each other in the back. It will not make a jot of difference but keeps Timerman out of earshot of the harpy.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Morales is busy taking Chile to the ICJ. The Chileans are laughing at him in the way we laugh at Argentina's attempt to steal the Falkland Islands.
So now they bring three other delegates to their bilateral talks, what's that make it quintlateral? Looks like they are hoping to sort it out by rigging the vote as usual!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Banki Moon is saying to the C24 president, ” What part of SELF DETERMINATION do you not UNDERSTAND you PR**K.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A nice nine inches nail in the English diplomatic coffin in the South-Atlantic.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 What part of self-determination you DO understand?
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The one convenient, of course.
Self-Determination for Falklands but Nowhere Else in the Remaining British Empire
http://www.globalresearch.ca/self-determination-for-falklands-but-nowhere-else-in-the-remaining-british-empire/5327478
Think so think and you do not find it a tad strange, that the head of the C24 meets with delegates from' Uruguay, Peru, Cuba and Argentina but refuses to meet with the very people his committee is supposed to ”decolonise.'
Mar 26th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A fact which will no doubt not have been missed by some in the UN diplomatic circles.
Thanks again Timerman, you played a blinder!
This is great news for the Islanders. The more SA kick up a stink the more publicity The Falklands get. Great. Its all looking good in The Falklands - grown up people will see through the nonsense and be attracted to the Islands
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And really these bureaucrats don't care as long as they're looking busy and getting paid. 'Oh look another 'cause' to justify our highly paid and advantageous positions...'
Onwards and upwards Falklanders
Explain how Think? Do we not have diplomatic relations with South American countries?
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do think you have an issue with your perception of an inch.
”the officials had the opportunity to give their opinions and natural support to Argentina’s legitimate rights” ...or in normal language their regional bigotry.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any diplomat worth any respect at all would not be even slightly impressed by this gang mentality. BKM is not stupid.
@7 Admiral Think: BKM will have been well aware of the position held by all of these organisations well in advance of this meeting. We are all well aware of BKM's leaning on the general subject. Therefore no nails and no coffin. Sorry to spoil your fantasy.
So Argentina says it is between them and the UK no third parties!! Then proceed to attempt to involve the whole of SA.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF.
THE FALKLANDERS have made their decision, sorry but that's it. Seriously you do not expect the FALKLANDERS would want to be involved with Argentina under it's current government. I think there must be some meanings lost in translation from Castellano ( some would call it a form of Spanish ) to English. That's the saving grace they may rely on.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*yawn*
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can can see it, I can see it and anyone with half a brain can see it. Which explains why these four did not see it.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another spectacular own goal! Keep it up Timerman, money could not buy this kind of coverage. Lol.
I'm intrigued: what do the Malvinistas think is the end game? These are the options I can see.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) forced annexation (i.e. invasion) by Argentina.
2) free association by the islanders with Argentina.
3) the transfer of sovereignty by the UK to Argentina.
(1) based on current capabilities this is unlikely without regional participation which would lead to a wider conflagration.
(2) unlikely given the attitude of argentine authorities over the last 30 years and even more unlikely considering the widening standards of living.
(3) political suicide by any government. Possible only through some kind of South American wide action such as an embargo (which is probably impossible for numerous reasons). Even if this came to pass I'd expect FIG to unilaterally declare independence and “fight it out”.
So honestly, what do Think et al. Think is the solution?
This is Deja Vu all over again....
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 the country was seriously mismanaged and the economy had gone tits up so.....
In 2013 the country is seriously mismanaged and the economy has gone tits up....again... so.... ( bet they wish they had a functional military..)
once again it will end in tears for the regime....
yawn.....
The KFC years .. http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=ARS&view=5Y
(11) Beef
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing wrong with my perception of inches or nails, young man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDsqpeiTqg8
PS:
Still holding BOR?
Did anyone see the article about the Rg base in Antarctica running out of food and fuel? They had to put out an emergency call due to the low supplies.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it will be up to the USA or UK to save them...again....er..always.
Oh dear
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/26/blow-to-argentina-in-debt-showdown-us-appellate-court-denies-full-rehearing/
There is no good news on the horizon for Argentina. Only bad, very bad and terrible.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am glad after all of this time my predictions are coming to fruition.
They'll lose in the NY Courts, SCOTUS won't accept the case. They will default again, they will devalue, they will have hyperinflation then depression.
They may not have enough U$ to buy fuel for this winter.
A 3 week cold snap is all they need for the house of cards to come tumbling down.
@21 You would think the Argentines would be focused on asking their government what the hell is going to happen when they default. And why the hell they are spending so much time on a lost cause.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23, they can't do anything about either situation. But it is far easier for the BA gov. to blame their woes over the Falklands on the “Pirat Usurpers” 100% on people outside of AR and lash out on them while denying that any of it was their wrong (
Mar 26th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it was the junta even though we proudly celebrate them and their dirty war with coins and medals). The debt problem? While they can go on about Vulture Capitalists till the repoman cometh, at the end of the day, it is AR who ran up the debts.
Obviously, the referendum was legal as:
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. There is no specific law that Argentina can rely on to nullify it.
2. Argentina by her failure to legally challenge it, has given tacit consent, with her acquiescence.
Ban Ki Moon is up to be ref.........period. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44503&Cr=&Cr1=
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the outcome of this further episode is????
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nuffink!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another wasted airfare for Gollum &Co. Still, got some new shirts at Maceys and deposited more $ in a safe bank?
@26 well surprise surprise matter closed then
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those good offices of his don't half get offered a lot.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, no response to #17? What a surprise.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, lamented today that Britain rejects UN mediation to sit down and talk to peacefully resolve the conflict between the two countries over the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It is regrettable that the UK rejected the good offices (hosted by the UN) which was adopted by the General Assembly,“ said Timerman told reporters after meeting with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.
The minister explained that in that meeting, they confirmed that London Ban rejected the good offices of the UN even though there is a General Assembly resolution that grants the Secretary General the mandate to make such efforts.
Timerman described as ”very interesting” meetings with Ban and President of the Decolonization Committee of the UN, the Ecuadorian ambassador Diego Morejon, which was accompanied by the foreign ministers of Uruguay and Cuba, and the Deputy Foreign Minister of Peru....'
noticias.terra.com.ar/politica/especial-malvinas-a-30-anos-de-la-guerra/timerman-lamenta-que-reino-unido-rechace-la-mediacion-de-la-onu-por-malvinas,a23846459b8ad310VgnCLD2000000ec6eb0aRCRD.html
@32
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is?
I had a very interesting meeting with my bank manager, but he still refused to loan me U$D 1.000.000 ( was also accompanied by my wife, but still made no difference)
same shit different day
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the UN website
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''According to a read-out of the meeting, the Secretary-General acknowledged the strong regional support on this issue and reiterated that his good offices to resolve this dispute remain available, if the parties are willing to engage.''
Oh dear. He can't actually say 'F*^* off', but he might as well have done. I can't help feeling this falls some way short of demanding the UK negotiate.
I'm starting to think that it's time to put a stop to the whole C24 circus. I'm not sure what the Chairman thinks he's doing campaigning for colonisation with the Argentines. The C24 isn't about sovereignty anyway. The whole thing's a complete joke.
We should turn up one more time, let them know we aren't a colony, and then leave them all to it.
Poor ol “Hector” the bully boy...see's he's going nowhere in the school yard so does what all bullies do...trots off and gathers up a bunch of like minded idiots for support...Thing is,they will make no difference whatever..“Hector” babee is hooped ,as is that group of corrupt monkey's back in BS.( Everyone of them figureing when to bolt with the $$$s)...I look at the bully boys/girls “Hector” has chosen to watch his back and can only smile...Each and everyone of them representing a basket case country that is just one heart beat away from revolutuion...“Its the ” hispanic“ way you see...lol...!..Anyhoo...I'm getting tired...so I will....”“Yawn”...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...LOL...!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 well said, time for the C24 to be binned, waste of time, waste of money, and seeming as most of the countries listed have no wish to change the status quo
Mar 26th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Hector came second in the press conferences too ...
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://innercitypress.com/unarg1ukuncareut032613.html
UNITED NATIONS, March 26 -- There were dueling press conferences on the Malvinas or Falkland Islands at the UN on Tuesday.
Argentina's Foreign Minister Héctor Marcos Timerman told Inner City Press that the US State Department's William Burns wants a peaceful settlement; the UN's Secretary General Ban Ki-moon offers his good offices.
Minutes later, UK Permanent Representative Mark Lyall Grant said there is no need for Ban's good offices.
He recounted that Timerman turned down a meet with his UK counterpart William Hague because Hague insisted that on this issue, the people living on the island must participate.
Timerman said that forty percent of the residents were born in the UK. He mocked the UK, and Reuters, when Louis Charbonneau of that wire service asked if some of the residents hadn't been there longer than the Timerman family has been in Argentina.
Timerman first said thanks for doing your research into the Timerman family, then asked, you did your research, right? As a journalist? Timerman directed several question back at Reuters, none of which were answered.
This was capped off minutes later when Lyall Grant approvingly quoted the Reuters question, about some Falkland residents being there longer than most Argentinians have been in Argentina.
That said, Lyall Grant responded to many of the points made by Timerman and the three other Latin ministers, Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Cuba, on behalf of CELAC, Luis Almagro, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Uruguay, of behalf of MERCOSUR and Jose Beraún, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of Peru, on behalf of UNASUR.
@1 It is very cool, all support of all regions....!!
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Las Islas Malvinas: first time Latam groups at UN work together in support of Argentina’s claim
Three countries = all support of all regions. Ah, back on the whole word tack again! Got to love the Argentinian thought process.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 I take it by tinmans rather weak press statements he got told to do one.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“very interesting” meaning do one, if it had gone well he would be spouting Alfie is a hundred per cent behind Rgenweeners cause
@38 yep sounds as though the press are now starting to mock him, poor dear. He won't meet Hague as he will get his arse handed to him on a plate and he knows it
Perhaps Banki Moon told Hector Timerman to go back to Argentina and get the botox Queen to change the part of the constitution that stipulates any talks must result in full Argentine sovereignty,the sovereignty issue is dead and buried since 1982 when Argentina blatently invaded a peacful community and ignored resolution 502 which THE WORLD demanded they leave The Falkland Islands immediately which they ignored and cost the deaths of 256 British, 649 Argentine, and 3 Falkland Islanders-not the Junta but Argentines caused this.
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sir Mark Lyall Grant, Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the United Nations - Press Conference
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://webtv.un.org/watch/the-falkland-islands-malvinas-sir-mark-lyall-grant-permanent-representative-of-the-united-kingdom-to-the-united-nations-press-conference/2255535490001/
This is the most entertaining thing ever to come out of South America. Who said they had no humour....
Mar 26th, 2013 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First time ?? Not at all. The same group were working against the British in 1982. Look how well that went.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think? That coffin is all nails by now - and still no hope for Argentina :-)
@43 think that sums it up for the tinman, ( but I doubt it, he's to stupid to understand satire) they will realise soon they haven't a leg to stand on and realise how stupid they look, hopefully the other hangers on will realise soon as well and distance themselves from TMBOA
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Participating in the meeting were Héctor Timerman, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Argentina; Bruno Rodríguez Parrilla, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Cuba; José Beraún, Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs of Peru; and Luis Almagro, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Uruguay”
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now it sounded like more :-)
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/timerman-meets-with-ban-ki-moon/
Listening to Timerman nothing changes ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sir Mark Lyall Grant
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0did well in his response,
tinman seems ever so desperate, that he has to bring up other islands and problem arround the world as comparason,
Argentina has lost it,
and the plot as well.
britain needs to toughen up.
So the UN has been told -
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There will be no talks with Argentina regarding sovereignty of the Falkland Islands” !!!
I think we should open a NATO base on South Georgia. :)
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really how bad can it get Potash project in tatters after threats, trying to steal the Soy off thier own farmers, Court cases galore over unpaid debts, rising violence and corruption, people going hungry, fishing industry going to ruin because not enough coastguard / warships working to police it, cruise ships defecting to Uragauy, dollar clamps and massive inflation, even thier own people on Antartica are saying they have no food and fuel and all they can worry about is the Falklands (there are no Malvinas), ,get a grip FFS and stop pissing against the wind, stop bleating to the world and playing the victim and sort your country out.
Decolonisation, does that mean the Spanish settlers are headed home?
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got my support anyhow, you tried, you messed up.
Timerman is quoted as saying; “We must continue to insist. Of course we would like the Secretary-General to wear down the other party and not be worn out.”
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British ambassador responds: “It is disappointing that Mr Timerman and his colleagues spent so little time talking about the Falkland islanders and the wishes of the Falkland islanders. Their views are now unequivocally on the record and should be respected by all. Argentina's dismissal of the referendum as illegal and irrelevant is untenable.”
:-)
and their guns, and their bombs, are in your head, in your head, in your head.....
Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0also you can stick them in some other place of your body, times of force over rights are just too far away from today.
I almost felt sorry for poor Timerman.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here he has lined up then“big guns” with the heads of CELAC, UNASUR and Mercosur and most reporters wanted to talk about something else - namely Iran.
Poor Argentina just can't get any traction even when it thinks it has centre stage.
@55 Anglotino
Mar 27th, 2013 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sir Mark Lyall Grant gave a very low-key professional news conference. He conveyed his integrity and sincerity very fittingly.
The reporters received clear and straight-forward answers to their questions.
What a contrast to the Timerman Bros. Circus act.
:-D
Argentina and Britain have had another bitter clash at the United Nations over the Falkland Islands.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine foreign minister Hector Timerman's calls for talks with Britain on the sovereignty of the Falklands was brushed aside by the UK, which pointing to the islanders' overwhelming vote this month to remain British.
But Mr Timerman called the referendum “illegal” and said it was “truly deplorable” that Britain had rejected 40 resolutions by the UN Decolonisation Committee calling for negotiations between the two countries on sovereignty.
Mr Timerman was flanked at a press conference by ministers representing major Latin American and Caribbean organisations, saying he wanted to demonstrate the region's unity in support of Argentina's claim to the islands and its demand for sovereignty talks.
The islands in the south Atlantic have been British territory since 1765, but Argentina accuses Britain of invading the islands, which it claims and calls the Malvinas. Britain's UN ambassador Sir Mark Lyall Grant said the Falkland Islanders exercised their right to self-determination under the UN Charter in a referendum this month, and 99.8% of voters said they wanted to remain a British overseas territory.
“The United Kingdom government's position will remain that there will not and cannot be any discussions on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until the islanders so wish,” Sir Mark said. “Their views are now unequivocally on the record and should be respected by all.”
Mr Timerman condemned Britain's “military invasion” of the Falklands but said Argentina wanted a peaceful settlement.
He claimed Britain wants the Falklands as a military base “with high offensive technology close to the Antarctic and close to the only natural waterway between the Atlantic and the Pacific”, calling it “a strategic colonialist decision”. Mr Timerman also accused Britain of refusing to answer ”if there are nuclear submarines or not in the area of the South Atlantic, which
“According to a read-out of the meeting, the Secretary-General acknowledged the strong regional support on this issue and reiterated that his good offices to resolve this dispute remain available, if the parties are willing to engage”
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Cameron
How do you cope with loneliness?
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44503&Cr=falkland&Cr1=#.UVJ1qknn-ZM
Probably better than you Marcos.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat UK is willing to engage but only if the Falkland Islands reps are present.......................or we could just engage you,.........4.5's 10 rounds fire for effect........shoot!!!!!
58: So they went there and got no more than they always have, with no more or less support than they always have, how does that equal loneliness? It seems you continue to confuse “we support a peaceful conclusion, we'd like it if you might talk” with “argentina is right! the UK is wrong!” What's wrong with you, seriously?
Mar 27th, 2013 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if the parties talked, howcould you possibly think the outcome would be sovereignty for Argentina? What trump card do you have? Having sovereignty talks is not a precursor to Argentine sovereignty. There are two possible outcomes, not one. They are sovereignty for Argentina, or no sovereignty for argentina. Why the hell would a talk end with sovereignty handed to argentina?
Argentina moaning to the decolonisation committee that UK wont let them colonise the Falklands priceless jajajajaj
Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Watching trimmerman told me that they were true when they said nihilism blackens your soul.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0He just looked like a man in a moral vacuum.
@7 Indeed? As far as I can make out you've now put more nails in that “coffin” than there is wood. Thanks for providing the armour plating.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Another article by nutter Wayne Madsen!
@39 “all support of all regions”? You mean all the places that have been kowtowing to argieland for years have done it again. So what?
@58 I think it's pretty easy. Who likes talking with a brain-dead imbecile. And that's what argieland is. Together with a large percentage of its population.
Support and challenge to the Malvinas cause.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent comment by Martin Granovsky:
Sponsorship of CELAC, UNASUR and Mercosur seems to confirm one of the main theses of the Government: the Falklands conflict is no longer in Argentina, but a regional conflict.
see the following link:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-216712-2013-03-27.html
“Mr Timerman condemned Britain's “military invasion” of the Falklands but said Argentina wanted a peaceful settlement”
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@63. It was the UK who invaded in 82 (and the 1830s), not AR. In doing so he openly endorses the second life of the Junta had it he,d the islands. For him, CFK and fascist Malvanistas like Think, Raul and Marcos, there is no price too high for innocent Argentine dissidents to pay so long as the Islanders were under the same jackboot and everyone in a while they get to have a chance to wear and be the boot and bear down on once free people's faces so they can feel good about themselves.
Moral vacuum indeed!
66 GFace
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). UK continues humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan and supporting genocide in Mali ..
In England itself want to drive the Bulgarian and Romanian foreign clearing to the medical service.
Racism, colonialism and imperialism in full 21st century.
Moral vacuum indeed!
And you, Raul, just wanted to give the Junta a little more time and a few more people to throw from airplanes just to have your fantasy of a “complete Argentina”. Ther is a vibrant peace culture opposing the Iraq/AR war and its vocal and articulate and LOUD and they are free to do so. You still call YOUR peace move,ent traitors with all the baggage from your darker days bubbling up while falsely lacking about peace (hell, your economists can't even speak Math to Power). So spare me your whataboutery. Those weren't antiwar protesters suddenly in love with the Junta that happy day on the Plaza De Mayo after YOUR illegal invasion of the islands, it was a throng of little Eichmanns giving the junt a mandate not to retire, but to carry on. It wasn't a repudiation of the Junta's “reelection by keg and block party” with their 2 peso but an a clear celebration of an alternative history featuring another “term” of disappeared, torture, forced adoptions, this time with new innocent people at the table that YOU could tear into, had AR held the Islands.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are broader implicatios of the 82 invasion had it succeeded. Keeping the Islands would have been a continuation of the Junta with glad cheers from people like you. And you and the rest are either too drunk on lazy nationalist fantasies to see it or that price would have been ok with you.
@Raul, You really do talk rubbish perhaps you could tell us all how Argentina contributes to world affairs besides constant moaning and winging
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
I still don't understand why CFK, Timerman and Co go on wasting their time over the “Malvinas question”, which has been going on for the past 72 years with absolutely NO CHANGE when the large majority of Argentine citizens want answers to the 30% inflation, rising street crime, rising unemployment, government attacks on the Judiciary, government attacks on the major contributor to the economy, etc.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do the malvinistas really think that getting our grubby mits on the “Malvinas” will suddenly put all our problems right?
If they do they need serious psychological help!!!!!
68 GFace
Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nestor and Cristina Kirchner jailed the genocidal military. 30,000 suffer deaparecidos all know that UK support for the military junta before 1982 in the implementation of state terrorsimo and dialogued with the genocidal military.
Currently UK, prefers dialogue with mentors of state terrorism, with the genocidal military and economic partners of Matinez disipulos as sickle-starved to Argentina.
UK does not want to talk to a real democracy since no miliatres rid of genocide in 1983. He does not want to talk from Alfonsin with Cristina Kirchner. They are presidents Argentine democracy.
UK does not want dialogue with Argentina and Latin American democracy.
Conclucion: Argentina and Latin America are betting on peace and dialogue. UK commitment to violence and nuclear terrorism in the Falklands. Unfortunately UK is the shame of Europe and the Western world.
70 simon68
I do not really live in Argentina. With Nestor and Cristina, Argentina has regained human dignity and self-esteem compared to economic colonialism of the IMF and World Bank.
By not obeying the concentrated capital of multinational economic, Argentina has increased its domestic market. All of Latin America is growing in economic and industrial might.
Today Argentina and Latin America, is much better economically, not to follow the neoliberal IMF: European crisis is demonstrated, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, etc.
Today UK can not escape the profound crisis in Europe. This application racism at the highest level to deny health coverage to European immigrants as the Romanians and Bulgarians.
UK is falling apart economically and creating internal structural POVERTY, unemployment, social inequality and social inusticia to unprecedented levels throughout the UK.
Learn from Pope Francisco. Give up hatred and resentment. Abandon the idieas racist, colonialist and imperialist proposed 21st century UK and the world and world public opinion abhors.
@68 Your drunken histrionics about nuclear terrorism (aka deterrents which aren't applicable nor necessary against non-nuclear states) asside... CFK celebrated the Junta's temporary victory it with a COIN with a big 1982 on it. You mint it, you own it - with all the broader implications that I discussed. I can see people drunk with pride going out the “day after” to cheer the Junta on but that endorsement of the Junta (which didn't have the right to pick their own noses let alone export their dirty war to the Falklands) had all the spontaneity of a NASA rocket launch. I WILL grant you this. They jailed them despite bogus past immunity (maybe the only thing I support their part for but I am cynical about it since there's likely still an untouchable network of “little Eichmanns” still out there and I think you know and fear it too). But in the end there is that vicarious wannabeism where they can make it a crime to quote accurate statistics with the math to back it up, shut down papers that don't give them droolingly good copy and the lot. I sense a bit of recidivism there to say the least and while they've gutted the countries military to prevent the competition installing their own dictatorship over their own proto-dictatorship, they certainly are engaging in childish levels of passive aggression that only people in the same bubble you're in can see how absolutely college-educted stupid it is).
Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus for your Napoleonic war dates in @67? Good Grief! Do you not realize that once again you are endorsing nostalgia for conquest, this time in Napoleonic flavors. French Imperialism allied with Spain, your former colonial masters. And no less as a rant against British 20th century devolution of their former colonial structure into a forward thinking alternative in which the Falkanders may achieve independence - an independence that YOUR colonialist ambitions would deny them against the founding principles of the UN.
Really really bent you are, son.
71 Raul (#)
Mar 27th, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 27th, 2013 - 02:40 pm
By the ridiculous comments you make about Argentina as a Utopia under the Kirchner mob, it is more than obvious that you do not live in Argentina.
I have nowhere made any statement of hatred, resentment or racist, colonialist or imperialist ideas, all I ask is that the government that says that is administrating Argentina stop wasting public funds on a lost cause and start solving the problems that are destoting the lives of Argentines who DO LIVE in Argentina!!!!!!!!
@71 (And now, Raul, you have a F-ing video game where you can BE the dirty war's last gasp and presumably win more years of disappearances, forced adoptions and one-way plane trips. One may argue that this is an outlet for your country's continued violent fantasies against the islanders but peaceful? My eye.)
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry raul your arguments do not hold any credence with anyone with an ounce of common sense including your own countryman who actually LIVES inArgentina, do yourself a favour and play your stupid game on your computer, drink heavily and be quiet your delusional and stupid rants are pointless and boring
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it “odd” how Raul's peaceful “democratic” government set out to, and succeeded, in ripping apart and shackling the entire press industry from a position of freedom to one of government subservience (or be consigned to the waste heap).
Mar 27th, 2013 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the nasty, mean, dictatorships around the rest of the world have free press.
odd that.
@71
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Abandon the idieas racist, colonialist and imperialist proposed 21st century UK ”
Argentina is being Imperialist and colonialist, by seeking territory without considering the people that were BORN THERE -ie BIRTHRIGHT-ie THEIR RIGHTFUL HOME.
This is what Britain USED to do when it was colonialist and imperialist. Those attitudes disappeared years ago.
Colonialism is seeking territory regardless of the inhabitant's wishes-the UK gave it up years ago while Argentina is stuck on an early 19th century imperialist viewpoint, the same that saw mass genocide of the native population in Argentina in the late 19th century.
JOIN THE 21st CENTURY-ARGENTINA ,REJECT YOUR COLONIALIST WAYS AND EMBRACE DEMOCRACY.
@65 So now argieland is “supported” by a few more no-hopers. Both mercosur and unasur are discredited. They are illegitimate. CELAC? Anyone give a toss?
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Tell us, Raul, didn't “argieland” rebel in 1811? Didn't it declare “independence” in 1816? How was it “invaded” in 1806 and 1807? Britain discovered the Falkland Islands in 1690. It formally claimed them in 1765. How could it “invade” its own territory 68 years later? And even in 1845, didn't argie pirates try to interfere with trade on the Rivers Plate, Parana and Uruguay? I find no references to landings by British troops. But there were landings by Italian troops. Commanded by someone called Garibaldi. Seems the Italians didn't approve of actions by “their” colonists. So, no “invasions”. Just what you made up. Also the UK doesn't seem to be currently bombing Iraq or Libya. Wouldn't you like to accuse us of continuing to bomb Germany? And, as the perpetrators of at least two genocides, you are in no position to point a finger.
@71 How laughable you are. So the Kirchners throw a few small fry to the dogs. So what? They continue the same “policies”. Belligerency, corruption, criminality, intransigence, larceny, mendacity, xenophobia. A democracy? With votes bought with money and food? Doesn't a vote cost just 50 pesos? Argieland is betting on intimidation and terrorism. Don't you worry about our “problems” with Bulgarians and Romanians. Your “constitution” says you “encourage” European immigration. So we're sending them to you. Enjoy. As a tip, let us know whether they are more or less criminal than your own!
@67 ”Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845)“
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. Britain engaged in conflict with Spain at that time. Spain did not relinquish control of that territory until the 1860s. These ”British invasions” were mere skirmishes against Spanish possessions.
Trust me, if you'd been invaded you'd know about it, and you'd be speaking english.
As you Argies consider CFK and tin man, as your political idols,
Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Defending them to the hilt,
Could you name us the 40, UN Resolutions, that mr tin man says we broke, but oddly cannot name them.
Your answers on a card please.
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@71
Mar 28th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RAUL
You talk absolute BOLLOCKS, We have problems with the UK economy but at least we are acknowledge we have a problem. You may or not live in Argentina but the fact they do not accept they have a problem is the reason that they have focused all their attention on the question of the sovereignty of the FALKLANDS. I will tell you this , you ( Argentina ) will not have sovereignty of the FALKLANDS this I will guarentee, ( I have fought for the UK and am willing to do so again ) despite my age.
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Mar 29th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Mar 29th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no problem with that. But if asked I would take up arms again. Even at my age you are no problem. What was the Ratio again ( Argies against Brits ) mind you we were tired after such a long sea journey.
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Apr 01st, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@83golfcronie
Apr 01st, 2013 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Notice thst when “Sussie” starts posting, it's a sure sign that all intelligent discussion has now ceased.
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