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Brazil claims trade situation with Argentina is “less than satisfactory”

Saturday, April 6th 2013 - 03:50 UTC
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Brazil admitted that the trade situation with Argentina is “less than satisfactory”, given the ongoing barriers and restrictions imposed by Buenos Aires and revealed that the bilateral trade balance is now inclined in favour of its southern neighbour and Mercosur associate. Read full article


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  • Shed-time

    Now they just need the lazy-eyed man's drug-addled kids to take over and make it worse.

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mastershakejb


    Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Brazil will poach Ford/GM and leave Arg in the dustbin of history.
    Not going to be long now

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    The trade situation with argieland is “less than satisfactory” is it? That's because it's the trade situation with argieland. Argieland has to have everything for its own benefit with no consideration for anyone else. So Brazil sees “problems”does it? So do Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. Chile over Tierra del Fuego, Paraguay over interferfence in its domestic activities and Uruguay over argieland's failure to carry out its obligations in dredging channels in the River Plate. Has argieland completely given up its obstruction on the matter of pulp mills? How about the re-gasification plant?

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mastershakejb

    Conqueror, you list one issue with each of Argentina's neighbors. But the truth is the list is a mile long with each country and Argentina.

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Oh, dear!

    And Teen Troll Toby will be “personally spitting on every foreigner”!

    That attitude is sure to help relations. :-)

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Both Ford and GM already have large operations in Brazil. They have been there since the early 20th century. In all that time they have not “poached” any operations from Argentina.

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @7 early days yet theres a first for everyting. I'm sure if Ford and GM see that rgenweener are not up to the job they will be offski toot sweet as will any company with an ounce of sense

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @6 I think you'll find spitting in Canada is frowned upon TTT, but you can try it and enjoy the inside of a cell with a couple of big burly you don't drop the soap TTT you might get your prostate checked free of charge

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    As soon as CFK finaly works out brazil is getting free trade with the nasty europeans,
    CFK will march directly to the UN and complain.


    Apr 06th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    @10 that will be something to see, ie her getting told to do one again

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    7. Ford and GM will just expand in Brazil/Mexico and slowly shut down production in Argentina.

    All the expansion plans they announced are “on hold” (read canceled) just like every other foreign company in Arg.
    Vale was just the tip of the iceburg

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5 I know. But I didn't want argies to think I was picking on them. You know how they weep and wail and blame everyone else. And how it was nothing to do with them and they were at the back of the crowd and didn't know what it was all about. And there was no free press or free media and you weren't allowed to think. And everyone is against them and spend all their time trying to figure out new ways to disadvantage argieland.
    @10 Oh, I do hope so. It's so hilarious watching her trying to be strident and pathetic at the same time. I remember her on the video at the C24. Head on one side “How can you not believe us?” (Pathetic) Unfortunately, for her, they kept filming so that you could see how bandy-legged she is when she walks. Too many foreign “relations”? And a very “mobile” mouth. Well, she has to, doesn't she? Noticed the spectacles? And what makes your sight bad?

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    For Brazilian diplomacy “there is no other plan but a strong association and ever more consolidated of Brazil with Argentina”.

    Read that?
    Those lines aren't intended fo us, that much I can tell you.

    Europe needs Brazil, as Europe needs the BRIC.

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    Toby Teen Troll has never left Mendoza.

    On fact, I bet he's never gone further than the Havanna at the end of his street.

    Never will leave Mendoza.

    Lucky for him, the foreigners will never come to Mendoza in any numbers - the economy and the random crime will stop that.

    Apr 06th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thanks chaps,

    we await CFK and her next

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • mastershakejb

    Just think, one day we'll be able to tell our kids/grandkids about a country that existed long ago, that fought everyone, until someone finally did it a favor and put the inhabitants out of their misery and took their land.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    I see no indication that Brazil is going to change its traditional policy regarding free trade. And if it were to do so why would it do it for the benefit of Europe?

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Would it do it for the benefit of Europe?
    Because that’s the way the cookie crumbles,

    The fact is brazil and Europe are and will eventually get a trade deal, for the benefit of both countries,

    And thus the unmighty CFK will be left out in the cold.


    Apr 07th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @14 Here's a quote for you “As David Rothkopf wrote in Foreign Policy, ”Without China, the BRICs are just the BRI, a bland, soft cheese that is primarily known for the whine [sic] that goes with it. China is the muscle of the group and the Chinese know it. They have effective veto power over any BRIC initiatives because without them, who cares really? They are the one with the big reserves. They are the biggest potential market. They are the U.S. partner in the G2 (imagine the coverage a G2 meeting gets vs. a G8 meeting) and the E2 (no climate deal without them) and so on.“
    @19 I agree. Sooner or later, Brazil ”may” realise that places like argieland and Venezuela only hold it back.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Mercosur and Europe is the right term. As Europe isn't a country and Brazil wont go without Mercosur.
    Has nothing to do with Argentina. Has everything to do with the protectionism Europe applies to its agricultural market. Something that Brazil strongly disagrees with. Correct that little flaw and you'll find out even Argentina will loosen (*) up.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    MercoSur is a dead man walking. It won't be around much longer. The cracks of solidarity are already showing. Argentina should officially join ALBA now because MercoSur will be gone pretty soon.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • warteiner

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    well everybody is after free trade,
    and time will tell if it comes or not,

    as you say, not single countries but blocks,

    but trade as trade is, one cannot then break rules when its suits ones self, and sadly argentina has this problem under CFK,

    but that aside. perhaps they will join the fun and enjoy the benifits of free trade,

    but protectionism on both sides would have to be removed,

    a long and windy road to go yet,
    anything could happen.

    Apr 07th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Yes, but the PRC does exist. And the BRIC relationship excludes both the EU and US.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)



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  • yankeeboy

    25. Every single BRIC economy is faltering the world dynamics that everyone thought was changing over the last decade is returning to balance. The fundamentals never changed, they can't so the world power structure is aligning back to normal.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    And then, you wake up...

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John Troll the 3rd


    You jealous has-been American BRICS have grown uninterrupted for 15 years, or more, what do you expect? So a mild slowdown down after doubling or tripling of GDP is “faltering”.

    Then what is the USA that has had ZERO GDP expansion in 7 years, in other words, your GDP adjusted for inflation is the same size today in April 2013 than in December 2006.

    That is an utter collapse and slide into irrelevance

    You are one 500K terrorist attack away from insolvency. You are done USA, get used to being nothing.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    One would think they are busy paying their debt, hence the stagnation. But no, they are doing something else entirely. It's called “pointing fingers” and serves little esle than make us laugh.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skåre-Vuggevise

    Diplomatic speak for “intolerable and wholly unacceptable”.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh Toby, How's Mendoza doing without Vale? Think they'll nationalize it? I don't think they want to be on the bad side of Dilma. But who knows what a bi-polar bag lady will do next.

    BTW people who don't pay their debts pay 16-17% interest rates like Argentina and someone who does pay their debts pays close to nothing like the USA.

    Also nice little article about the U$100 bill.
    Demand for $100 bills has jumped since 2008
    The strongest demand for dollar cash comes from Argentina and the former Soviet Union.

    Yeah I'd rather listen to experts than a SA making less than U$500mo. Seriously you'd both be better off coming here and cleaning toilets. At least you'd be able to save and maybe even travel.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John Troll the 3rd

    For every 500K terrorit attack within its borders, the USA has to spend 6-7 trillion (and counting), to “retaliate”.

    That is not 10 times as much. Not 100 times, not 1.000. It is not TEN THOUSAND times (10.000), 0r even 100.000 (one hundred thousand times).

    It is not even ONE MILLION TIMES!!!!

    It is 10 MILLION times the cost of the terrorist attack spent on retaliating!!

    That model is sure to succeed for the USA, hahaha.

    Good luck, next terrorist attack and you know the world will pull the credit card floor from under you, because any monkey will know you will be bankrupt shortly thereafter, if not due to the market fear, due to your military response, which will make you default because you have no means of mounting another Afghanistan/Iraq operation anywhere now, not with 17 trillion of debt.

    I'd say you pray to Allah.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, You don't understand the USA at all. That is why we are successful, powerful, rich and Argentina isn't any of those things.
    You don't even have a navy any longer.
    The USA has to have a war every decade or so to get rid of the old equipment and finance the research for the new stuff.
    It is pretty simple to understand
    It really has nothing to do with terrorism
    We have learned a lot in the last decade and have AMAZING new military equipment and tactics. We also left all the old crap over there for them to dispose of it for us. It is too costly for us to do it.
    If it wasn't Iraq or Afghanistan it would have been someplace else
    It might be SA in the next decade who knows

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    “The USA has to have a war every decade or so”

    We know, a nation that bases its survival on the death of women and children.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    And yet we don't throw our own people out of planes. Isn't that why you're in the EU?
    They seems to have missed way too many of your type though
    Latin efficiency can't seem to get anything done right

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    You are comparing a nation during a military dictatorship vs another in full “democracy”.
    How very convenient of you...

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Well this current regime ( let's not be so bold as to call it a democracy) is killing people by restricting cancer and hiv medicine. I think that is probably even worse. Slowly watching your loved one die right in front of you and knowing there is nothing you can do about it. Even if you had the money to buy the drugs. They're just not available.

    It is very sad

    But of course lithium is still available for the old bag lady from BA.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Your whole nation is populated by people on pills for every adjective known to man.
    Continue that path if you wish, just don't call it development.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    It is funny how illogical the debates with people on this board become, sometimes everyone is suffering in the USA because we don't have free medical care and other times we are overly medicated. Which is it this time?

    Gotta get your story straight in the next meeting.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    People on pills is not people with medical care, it's merely people on pills.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest


    “We know, a nation that bases its survival on the death of women and children.”

    What a ridiculous statement - you are spewing mindless dogma. It might play well to the unemployed or underemployed La Campora, disillusioned types, but to those who think and read anything objectively, they know it is nonsensical.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    41. You obviously don't know much about the USA. Here you can't get prescriptions without a Doctor's written consent(prescription).
    It is not like in SA where you can get whatever you want at a pharmacy as long as you have enough for the bribe.

    I am beginning to think you've never been to the USA.

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    According to yanqui

    “The USA has to have a war every decade or so”


    What is that if not basing your survival on the death of women and children?

    Apr 08th, 2013 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John Troll the 3rd

    Yankeboy as usual talking nonsense.

    You can have all the wars you can have, every ten years according to you, as long as you can afford them.

    You can't afford them now, that is a fact you have no way of denying.

    If you have to go to war and you can't afford it, there is a word for that = UR FOOKed.

    Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, We're on the way to becoming a net exporter of O/G in less than 5 years and it will change the world dynamics.
    It is the most significant change in trade in 50 years.
    Don't worry about the USA
    We will be absolutely fine

    Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John Troll the 3rd

    lol, are you planning to be self-sufficient in ice boxes too?

    Oil demand is dropping in the 1st world because even you in the USA, and certainly Europe and Japan, are switching to non-oil. The great boom in the demand from the emerging markets is now over as their growth will slowly moderate, and as they too switch to green or electric.

    Brazil runs on ethanol.... so export to whom?

    And that only midly improves your atrocious trade balance. It will not fix it, and it does NOTHING on the budget side i.e. spending.

    One more 9-11 and youre foookd.

    Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah, I will overlook what every expert is saying and take advice from someone making less than U$350/mo.
    You are right about the better technology for cars but I can't see anyone in SA being able to afford to buy them for a very long time

    I am sure you saw that China has surpassed the USA for oil imports. BTW Argentina is HUGE importer of O/G and that is not going to change anytime in the near future. There are plenty of places that will need oil for a long time. It is still cheap to run and most countries can't afford “green” energy and won't be able to for a very long time.

    Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “Oil demand is dropping in the 1st world”

    Yes-it has in the Falkland Islands where 40% of it's energy needs are met by renewables (ie that 40% has replaced oil to generate electricity). So by the time they get oil ironically the islands will need less and less.....

    Ain't that marvellous news John?

    The Falklands, ahead of backward South America.

    Apr 15th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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