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Thatcher’s death: Latam leaders send condolence messages but not a word from Argentina
The death of Baroness Thatcher, Prime Minister when the recovery of the Falklands by a British Task Force did not inspire a single word from the Argentine government, but other Latinamerican leaders and countries sent their condolences and praised the courage and determination of the Iron Lady. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Thank you Mrs Thatcher and Great Britain for defeating the Junta and therefore enabling the return of democracy to Argentina. We are forever in your debt” - is what CFK and Timmerman and Alicia Castro should be writing.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Costa Rica...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same usual suspects as ever. South America better improve the relation with these neighbours if we wish to get rid of the last chains.
Chile doesn't worry me, as Bachelet will win next elections, and our Chilean brothers have never been easy to silence, especially the students.
Colombia still is under the steady grip of USA, and together with Mexico, they form the base for a multimillion dollar industry that is detestable. We will never get rid of the cartels as long as USA is involved. Too many interests from their part.
As for Costa Rica, they merely follow the wind, and the island is windy...
For the rest of Latin America; Splendid piece of work, don't forget a tweat to silence these monsters :)
The official news agency blames Thatcher for the sinking of the Belgrano ...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a country where aid workers in the flooded areas are beating each other up on the streets to claim the political credit for their “ relief ” work , you just have to wonder how much lower the political leadership will stoop .
In case anyone has forgotten, I can remind you.....
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thatcher denounced Nelson Mandela and his ANC as “terrorists”, something even David Cameron ultimately admitted was wrong.
What kind of 'great' leader would have called Mandela a terrorist?
She was also best of pals with Pinochet! Get the picture? Well, there is more...
She was a steadfast friend to brutal tyrants such as Augusto Pinochet (as already mentioned before), Saddam Hussein and Indonesian dictator General Suharto (“One of our very best and most valuable friends”).
Had enough? well there is more....
She played a key role by using her influence to publicly advocate for the 2003 attack on Iraq, an illegitimate war by international law standards (unlike the first Gulf War).
Had enough? Still more....
What about her domestic political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown in GB?
Therefore, kindly spare me and condolence messages please. Moreover, people praising Thatcher's legacy should show some respect for her victims, which were many....
Thatcher denounced Nelson Mandela and his ANC as “terrorists”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0He was, so was Menachem Begin so was Martin McGuinness so was Jomo Kenyatta shall I go on
Typical Argies- no class, no style and no humility.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0No-one says Maggie was perfect but it is customary to be human and sociable and to at least announce regret in a diplomatic way. All the other stuff will be debated and interpreted for many years to come but all intelligent people will see that she tried to do the right things for Britain and she left an indelible mark like few people in history can claim - some failings but many more successes.
HG :
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 01) If Thatcher hadn't sent British troops to the Falklands , you would still be living ( or perhaps disappeared ) under a military junta .You should have statues to her in every school , not the so called heroes who threw pregnant women out of planes after stealing their kids .
2 ) What about her domestic political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown in GB?
If she was so bad , how come she was re- elected three times with increasing majorities .
She destroyed class barriers and created social mobility , something Cristina won't because she wants you enslaved ina marxist tyranny .
3) What is so good about nationalised companies ? They are overstaffed , inefficient monopolies , often as not controlled by unions , which is why Argentina is currently re-nationalising everything in sight .Good luck with that , I hope it's the usual roaring success .
lil stevie.....you wouldn't want Chile, Colombia, Mexico and Costa Rica to be a puppet country of venezuela or Brazil would you by doing what the others do just because they are LA would you?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, when did Costa Rica become an island?
“”“Same usual suspects as ever”“”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same usual shit as ever from you Stevie - expert in everything, military dictator and all-round genius.
Tell us, have you ever been outside of your own bedroom, let alone your country?
Right on Musky...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Right on Musky...”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aye, it seems even the Pope has but good words to speak of Maggie..and yet our friendly resident Malvos see it otherwise and the “great” Argentine leader is incapable of even the smallest acknowledgement of her passing.
It seems even the pleasantries of basic diplomacy escape the Argentine Government... I would act surprised if I were.
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“What about her domestic political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown in GB? ”
Hmm, i lived through those times and did very well thank you. She ended the power of the Unions, resurrected the British economy and did away with the failed policies of her predecessors...
oh, sorry, forget that - I forgot: you aren't discussing, your telling us all how WE should think.
Yes, you are right: she did no good whatsoever and all these nations, leaders and great people are making it all up.
hmm....
I guess that means you need to go see the Pope and call him a liar then.
:-)
“Hmm, i lived through those times and did very well thank you”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0who gives a flying shit how you did, you tool! THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU MATE!
So, if it's not about you, why they hell are you navel gazing?????
This is about the MAJORITY. Have you ever heard about them???
You selfish pig.
@12
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0What majority would that be?
@10 Mendoza
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey thanks!
@7 Usurping Pirate
Too right, Argentine freedom from the Junta was paid for in British, Argentine and Falklander blood. Had Britain lost, the Junta would have remained in power and killed thousands more....
Argentine grandmothers determined to find 'stolen' babies
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22004491
Mrs T was good and bad. By his own admission he was initially a terrorist. She was steadfast in opposing Aparthied and very active in reforming South Africa. She was active in breaking the overbearing power of the unions and was the scourge of scroungers which means many of these people are glad to see her depart. On the other hand she presided over too much destruction of our industries and public services from which we have never recovered.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Best of all, she lead us to overcome Argentinean aggression and ensure that our Falkland Islands remain British forever. She was a beacon for Freedom, Democracy and self reliance. The poll tax was a brilliant idea, it would have lead to all the scroungers paying a fair share, pity it failed. I hope they bring it back.
87 years is a very good innings, especially for such a hard working person.
@13
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0certainly not 1 individual as Anbar would lead us to believe...
@Helber Galarga, Only to be Argentine could you cry like a girl that you created a war then cried when you got your ass kicked-tell me will the world be talking when your beloved botox queen goes and joins her dead husband Nazi Nestor which for me sooner the better.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0T
17
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0when did I mention Argentina or a war that involved Argentina.....
Stick to the topic mate, if that is not too much to ask for....
@Helber Galarga, Greae ball I am not your mate OK
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The modern Argentina & Britain have one thing in common! Both have been saved by Maggie Thatcher´s courageous leadership! The 1983 recovered Argentine´s Democracy ought to Baroness Thatcher a deep gratefulness! As Argentine I says: Thanks very much Maggie for triumph over the maffia junta aims !
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0ok mate, but it sure looks like I hit a raw nerve.....;)
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 HG
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Far be it from me to appear to defend Thatcher but she was more instrumental in the release of Mandela than all the protest concerts, student sit-ins and leftist talking shops put together. Given that Mandela thanked her in London I can only assume he took that view also.
@12 & @18 Helber Galarga
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What do you actually know about Britain in the 70's and 80's? Nothing.
Successive failed governments (sound familiar) brough the UK to the brink of bankruptcy, and Maggie pulled us back from the edge.
I grew up in a very poor area of Lancashire to working class people. Thanks to Maggie and her policies, I now own my own house. Each of my siblings also own their own houses. Quite a few 'working' class people I grew up with now own their own businesses as well as their own properties, one of them is a self made millionaire. All because of Maggie's policies.
She gave poor people the chance to escape poverty and lead a better life for themselves and their children.
There is an old saying which is very apt. “Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.”
Maggie gave everyone, regardless of class, the chance to learn how to fish for themselves. Most socialist politicians will just give people a fish a day to keep them dependent and grateful for the food. Eventually the food runs out, and the poor suffer, and don't know how to look after themselves.
Argentina's lack of respect and undiplomatic manner will be remembered by countries everywhere. You don't have to like someone to show basic common decency. Common deceny appears to be lacking in Argentina right now.
“ You don't have to like someone to show basic common decency”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0sorry mate, but in my books that would be hypocrisy....and it doesn't go down to well with me. Personally, I see nothing wrong in Argentina not sending condolences; to do so, would risk being a hypocrite. I rather not, thank you very much....
Reagan generates the same amount of hate from brain dead liberals as Thatcher.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is not worth the effort the progressives would rather see Venenzuela as their light on the hill. Let them have it.
Not one but three words from Argentina
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Burn in Hell
The Landlord of the Victory Bar is already crafting the letter of condolence from the people of the Falkland islands to the Argentine people for when the Whore of Babylon kicks the bucket.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Whore of Babylon????? WTF and I always thought Maggie was from Grantham...
Thanks for the info Billy Graham
LMAO
Pesky Army learn your tenses please, otherwise you look foolish.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops too late.
Never ceases to amaze me how the RGs blame Maggie for the sinking of the Belgrano........have they forgotten that they started the war, the Belgrano was in position from orders from Galtieri & the other side was fighting for their lives too!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It just gives moral support to the dictatorship that they conveniently blame for all their troubles..........que hipocrasia ehh!!!
@24 - Helber Galarga
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lack of respect for the dead is appalling, and the trait of sociopaths, I believe.
A lack of common decency shows Argentina up for what it really is. You started a war that cost over a thousand lives. You cheered the Junta on when they did it, and even now you celebrate the invasion by Junta of a peaceful people.
An Argentinian expressed gratitude for Thatcher's victory over the generals in the 1982 war, a humiliating defeat that forced them to abandon power a year later. “Thankyou Maggie Thatcher, for catalyzing the return of democracy in Argentina,” wrote Andres Wolberg-Stok, who covered the war for the Buenos Aires Herald as a young reporter 31 years ago, on his Facebook account.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ONE” Argie expresses gratitude meanwhile in Britain...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-dead-parties_n_3039028.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-dead-parties_n_3039028.html
LMAO
Aaah Pesky I love impromptu street parties too.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you remember that impromptu one in Plaza de Mayo back in 1982?
What was that one about again?
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Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 Helber Galarga--- I could not care a rats arse what you and the rest of the fascist bastards are saying about Thatcher. Nelson Mandela and the ANC were terrorists thats a fact. As for the rest of your fascist rant who gives a rats arse what any Argentine sociopath or Argentine sociopath sympathizer has to say on the mater.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the sinking of the Belgrano, what a bunch of dim bats the Argys are. When at war take out any threat that can do any harm, thats what we did we sank the warship that was on its way to link up with the rest of the Argentine navy that was preparing to attack the our task force. Great order from a great woman. All of Argentine should be rejoicing that as a great leader of an even greater nation she did not order the total destruction of an evil country that his still as evil thirty years on.
What could CFK say? In reality she would be damned if she did and her situation is pretty unstable at best. She has no option but to keep her mouth shut IMO.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MT was a very polarising leader; strong leaders usually are. Living in a real democracy people are free to express their views, positive or negative. Some could be in better taste but I wouldn't want to curtail their right to expression.
All of Argentine should be rejoicing that as a great leader of an even greater nation she did not order the total destruction of an evil country that his still as evil thirty years on.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hear hear!
@36 British Poodle
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cry me a river...
LOL
@38 yankeeboy copies and pastes @36
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least he remembered to log in using another nick....
ROLFMAO
You Bennies are the ultimate circus
Dumbell my family has been in the USA since 1635 it has been a long time since we were considered English.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reagan should have let Thatcher level BA, LEVEL IT. She would have done the world a huge favor. Nothing good ever has come out of that horrible place.
@41 Transitional fossil
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give back the land to the redskins you european transplant
LMAO
What a silly thing to say. Are you retarded?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 Well since I have to explain what I just said, guess who is the douche here...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I say I needed an explanation?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I said your comment was silly
and asked if you are retarded.
Are you?
@45 Transitional fossil
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you learn the art of oratory?
LMAO
Over a long and successful career, how about you?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0La Colifata?
@47 Transitional fossil
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilote troll detector just went off.
Would you care to explain me what a “yank” knows about La Colifata ?
Clearly CDK is under no obligation to say anything however my guess is that all ambassadors in the UK will get an invite to the funeral and therefore Castro will need to issue some kind of response at some point.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lived in BA for way too many years.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I probably know more about Argentina and South America than most of the people living there.
Why?
Because I can afford to travel
Gasp!
I always understood 'La Colifata' to be a radio station run by a woman in a mental hospital called La Casa Rosada
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMMMMMMM
It smells worse and worse. So tell me since you lived in SA for so long you must be fluent in Spanish right?
Does it matter what argentina thinks regarding any of UKs matters? think not...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im sure argentinas condolences have been lost in the post after all how can a country oppressed by its murderous dictatorship junta government for years in which today they blame the falklands war for, not be grateful to the UK government in playing such a pivotal role in the eventual removal of the junta regime of the 80s....
Argentina, from The UK.... you're welcome and you should have a statue of Thatcher as not only did she bring freedom and Self-determination back to The Falklands population she also gave Argentina the courage to fight for liberty and self-determiantion from the grip of dictatorism the same freedoms in which Argentinas government freely abuses today.
SELF-DETERMINATION.........You are welcome!
@51
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably La Colifata is the only place where kelpers could go tell the world that Malvinas are part of Britain.
And even them would not believe you either...LMAO
@ 54
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cry me another river....
SELF-DETERMINATION.........NOT ACCORDING TO THE UN
Fck has managed to turn the Casa Rosada into a Conventillo....She suits the building
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better a conventillera than this:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4715443/jimmy-savile-letter-to-margaret-thatcher-released.html
How shall we call Downing street? A kindergarden?
LMAO
Ironically Chileans will have to support Argentina over Malvinas whether they like it or not unless they allow “self determination” in Isla de Pascua
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO
@58 Toby,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ironically Chileans will have to support Argentina over Malvinas whether they like it or not”
No we don't.
Re. Rapa Nui: they haven't asked for self-determination there yet and if there ever were a vote....it would favor Chile. They would however have a stronger claim on their island than the Argies have on the Falklands. Like the Kelpers, the Pascuenses were there first.
Ironically, it is more likely that the Kelpers will one day in the future choose free association with a good country like Chile than ever be Argentine.
LMAO
@55 really?? where does it say The Falklands population DO NOT qualify for self-determination under The UN in black and white, link please.....
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION.......Dont cry Argentina.
@ 59
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/isla-de-pascua/isla-de-pascua-advierte-que-ira-a-la-haya-para-independizarse-de-chile/2013-01-16/181500.html
LMAO
@ 60 Pirate lover
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN 2065 (XX)
SELF-DETERMINATION.......NOT ACCORDING TO THE UN
@4 Well, dear Elbow, it seems that you adopt the “populist” stance. As has been pointed out, Mandela was “by definition” a terrorist. Did he not lead a bombing campaign? It must be remembered that the UK owed Pinochet a debt of gratitude. In 1982, Chile's Westinghouse long range radar gave the task force early warning of argie air attacks. There was also the matters of military intelligence gathering, radar surveillance, allowing British aircraft to operate with Chilean colours and facilitating the safe return of British special forces. Wonder how many British lives he saved? The day the radar had to be taken out of service was also the day Britain lost 53 dead. About a fifth of the final total. But then argies wouldn't understand standing by friends, would they? And, from what I read, Allende wasn't so brilliant. Buying his way to power by ruining Chile. What's your problem with Suharto? After a quick read on his history, it seems he was anti-communist. A much-needed “friend” in resistance to Chinese communist imperialism. As for Saddam Hussein, wasn't she amongst those who urged action against him after his attempted genocide amongst the Kurds and his invasion of Kuwait? Could there be a sneaking admiration on your part for Hussein? After all, argieland was also into genocide. And didn't argieland also invade and occupy a small defenceless country? And on much the same pretext.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 You don't seem to represent any MAJORITY. Just a bunch of poor argie losers.
@18 Are we only allowed to mention things you want mentioned?
@24 Who would care what “doesn't go down well” with you? Like argieland, you're a nonentity.
@26, 28 No-one in their right mind goes to argieland (Hell). And do you think you should talk about CFK like that?
@35 It's in Cordoba. What about it?
@39 Can we piss you a river?
@55 Stuff the UN!
@57 You'd know. How's the pigeon diet? It's what poor argie kiddies are supposed to eat, isn't it? And CFK who can't count how many black dresses she has!
@63 Connie
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you sound rather excitable , are you having one of those days?
@61
Apr 09th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too busy LMAOing to read it seems.
They “plan” to formalize their claim. At the moment all hot air - a bit like your argument.
...oh, and if they do and if there is a vote, they will lose. Simple as that.
Any other hopeless points to make?
@65 Wally
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just one, you will have to support us, just like I said.
“Any other hopeless points to make?”
Not near as hopeless as your “referendum” it seems
Freedom to the Pascuences from Chilean Tyranny
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://noticias.prodigy.msn.com/nyt/actualidad/harvard-business/articulo.aspx?cp-documentid=254126453
What I regret is her dying in better conditions than she deserved. She should have survived to experience blindness, muteness and physical decay to experiment part of the suffering she administered to others in the past.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tough! In bed at The Ritz of London.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To: Steve, Yaghan and PeskyII--You guys are right -the usual suspects-the same pigs w/ the same lipstick and fawning statements. Fortunately their people are a lot smarter. Their is major disconnect between the people and their govts. Nobody in world supports UK claims to islands or recognizes that sham election--a real shame and a sham. Thatcher was a demogogue-like most British politicians and the press and nobody in the world was fooled by her con-woman tactics.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That handed you back your asses on a plate and it only took a mere 74 days!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that's what I call an achievement worthy of a ceremonial funeral!
@67 Diddums... what's wrong?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is Island envy your insecurity for today?
Seeing as you are a bit slow: if they do and if there is a vote, they will lose. Simple as that.
Any other hopeless points to make?
@73 Wally
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pascuenses are native unlike kelpers therefore qualify for self determination bubblehead. Go ahead let polynesian people vote.
@59 When I was on Isla de Pascua a couple of years ago it was apparent that the people rely heavily on Chile to survive. Whilst they like the idea of independence they are not so foolish as to believe they are capable of it at this time. I was told it was very much a 50/50 split of opinion with the reality being the status quo as the best option. I didn't encounter any anti-Chilean sentiment.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a beautiful and extraordinary place.
Support Isla de Pascua independance
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2013/02/201322717502181420.html
The Malvinistas and the supporters of this hopeless Argentine CFK Government like silly Pesky never fail to disappoint.....their country continues on ist downward economic spiral, with around 30% inflation, currency controls, crazy restrictive trade policies, serious debt problems and so forth and these clowns would have us think life if ever so beautiful in Argentina these days....tell the families of those poor bastards who drowned unneccessarily in La Plata how fantastic Argentina is these days....poorly maintained infrastructure contributed a lot to those deaths....like the poor bastards who died a couple of years back in tthat train crash in Buenos Aires.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is you fools can't deal with your humiliating defeat in the Falklands War (you silly bastards led by a tinpot dictatorship started it and then whinge when OMG, the Brits quite rightly turn up and turf you out of the Falklands) and it drives you crazy...the Argentine ego just can't cope...its just too much for you arrogant sods to deal with. It's a pity that you genuises couldn't move on and seek to engage with the Falklanders and the British in a more positive manner.....but having constructed a large part of your identity around this National Lie called Las Malvinas (which outside your dreams, will never materialise) that prospect seems unlikely for a long time yet. Still, you can enjoy your football (and Yes, that great example of sportsmanship, the Hand of God goal) because thanks to this government, you face at least a few more years of economic misery and national humiliation as outsiders think about how better Argentina could be if it had decent and honest governance.
76
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bla bla bla
Who's next?
@73 Toby,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They arrived on boats like all Polynesians in the pacific did. They are as, like the Kelpers, the first settlers on their islands (native is an acceptable definition). I don't get to decide if they take their claim to La Haya, they do. If they do and there is a vote, that is fine by me. Like I say, they would lose the vote. Even if they won I would accept it as a their right, I would not cry like an Argie.
Funny that you should have brought Rapa Nui on to the thread. In Rapa Nui we achieved Demented-Argie-Nirvana, we took control of a British administered island (peacefully).
LMAO
78 Wally
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They arrived on boats like all Polynesians in the pacific did” no s***
“ like the Kelpers, the first settlers on their islands” Not according to the UN
We will take over Malvinas peacefully as well, your point is....
Dilma is disgusting. Brazil is on the way to become Argentina.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PeskyII, back in your hole. The truth hurts very badly.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately, I have visited Argentina and seen its better side in the past....but seriously, its gone backwards a lot in the last three years...and with fools like yourself at the wheel running it, it's not exactly a surprise.
The crazy thing is you have neighbour like Chile who in the last quarter century has been going along in leaps and bounds economically leaving Argentina in the dust. Has your nation learnt nothing.....your backward economic policies and poor and corrupt governance has led your nation to this situation. Seriously, I think a lot Argentines need to sit down with a psychologist....you guys have a problem and its between your ears.
@81
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bla bla bla
@79 pest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up and stop crying
@80 M
Not likely
@ 83 Troll Tempest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Need a cleanex? Grow some balls, admit what the whole world knows (you are squatters) and hit the road.
@74 Elaine,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your assessment is very accurate.
On the island you hear some legitimate complaints and some grumbles. I sympathize with many of their complaints. They are a very small population concerned about the preservation of their culture. The islands suffered horribly after the arrival of European boats. The population was decimated by disease and many were taken off as slaves to work in Peru. When Chile took control of the island, there were about 100 Rapa left. It is very sad. They have a special place in the heart of Chileans and they receive many benefits that “Continentales” don’t get. They will never wish the vulnerability that independence would bring such a tiny population.
PS: sorry, but I am going to feed this little troll, I pity his hunger for attention...
@Toby
“ like the Kelpers, the first settlers on their islands” Not according to the UN - so who are the natives?
We will take over Malvinas peacefully as well, your point is....
My point is that you won't. The Falklands would choose free association with a good country like Chile before being Argie. Get over it, stop crying and stop envying that we achieved 4000km away you can't achieve 400kms away.
Bye bye Pesky, keep up your meaningless posts, you are serving the Malvinista cause so well....keep up scoring those own goals.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva Las Islas Falklands para siempre
@85 y 86 Wally and Wally jr.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No surrender to the IRA remember?
Malvinas Argentinas
@84pest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”
Need a cleanex? Grow some balls, admit what the whole world knows (you are squatters) and hit the road.”
LOL, thx to your crying and temper tantrums, the whole world knows the truth and is fed up with you.
Uruguay, your 'hermanos' just pay you on the head and coo in your ear until you fall asleep.
Then the goblin CFK slithers out of your closet and steals your treasures.
It can be expected that a great many Argentines will have a negative response to the Death of Margaret Thatcher. Already we here comments coming from them like the sinking of the Belgrano. Well maybe you need a little reminder that none of those Argentines in 1982 need to loose their lives or cause the death of British people. Fact is your stupid Leader at the time caused everyone of those deaths by using an act of Aggression against Great Britain and the people of the Falkland islands. Thanks to the strength and determination of Margaret Thatcher stopped a dictator and actually gave Argentina their Democracy. Pity they never capitalised on it owe would not be heading in the same direction again. Argentina's Current Leader CFK has all the hall marks of an out and out dictator and it is a great pity no one since Margaret Thatcher has had the forethought to be stronger politically towards rising aggression coming out of Argentina. She was no doubt one of the finest leaders of all time who by putting down a ruthless dictator in 1982 made the rest of the world realise that you can fight for that freedom to choose by democracy. R.I.P Lady Thatcher your part in our History will stay with us forever.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 88 Troll tempest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01.Malvinas Argentinas
2. We will not give Patagonia back to Chile (which never owned)
3. At least show some gratitude, after all an argie army gave your FREEDOM from Spain. How many squares named after San Martin do you have in Chile?
LMAO
@90pest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the fuck are you talking about?
YOU are atempting to deflect with other islands, Chile, Patagonia, Malvinistas...
This is about LATAM condolences regarding Thatcher, and Argentina's rude silence.
Get a life.
Oops, you are likely paid to be here for 8hrs. a day, at least.
@91 Troll Tempest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same hours as you... Lmao
Remember chilote we gave you freedom, now be a nice doggy and shut up.
Malvinas Argentinas
There are no Malvinas, never have been never will be.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Pesky II, Argentina the only country to instigate a war then cry when there cruiser got sunk,as we say
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
@93 Tell that to Obama, he said Maldives, but what the hell it was close enough
Apr 09th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO
There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”This is about the MAJORITY. Have you ever heard about them???
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You selfish pig.“”“
lmfao - Britain wasnt Communist... so I was not obliged to hand my earnings over to ”the Majority”.
Less of the vitriol, more common sense please... the wealth of the nation, GDP etc, all improved. Its hardly my fault that my own wealth increased faster than others is it? I worked for it and got the direct benefit... obviously a concept beyond you.
the mere fact that you are utterly clueless about any and all of this is your problemo sunbeam, not mine.
/off to polish the Volante...
@92pest troll
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The same hours as you... Lmao
Remember chilote we gave you freedom, now be a nice doggy and shut up.
Malvinas Argentinas”
1) I'm a private citizen with my own contracting form in Telecom.
2) I am university educated and I form my own opinions without relying on socialist tracts or government propaganda for my answers or information.
3) I do not rely on a Populist government for food parcels in exchange for online propaganda - “La Csmpora Juvenil” anyone???
4) Argentina does not “give” anyone anything for free, and it was not 'Argentina' per se, who emancipated themselves from fromSpain.
'Argentina' was not formed until 1853.
5) You are the obedient dumb puppy of Maximo LOL!!'
6) What is a Chilotes?
I don't think any other country in South America would see you as 'liberators' LOL!!!
You have had wars of expansion against your neighbours for the past 180 years!
There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No surrender to the IRA remember?”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, another own goal for the day. Last time I checked Ulster was still in the Union.
“Remember chilote we gave you freedom”...ah the infamous SuzzieUS is finally unmasked. He gets all hot under the collar and out it comes.
Plazas de San Martin...? A few, not not many, but we have plenty of other plazas named after other Masonic agents of British Imperialism.
@91 Troy
Toby is having one of his paranoid episodes. It is funny, he is about to melt down.
“”“Never ceases to amaze me how the RGs blame Maggie for the sinking of the Belgrano........have they forgotten that they started the war,”“”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0according ot other threads: yes, they have.
Our native Mavlos have told us that Maggie STARTED the war, on purpose, as the USA and UK were the paymasters of the Junta and it was therefore the UK/USA that were responsible for 30,000 disappeared and NOT Argentines in the Junta or their Argentine supporters.
Similarly the sinking of the Belgrano was, and i quote “Attempted Genocide”... which, the only way I can workout, is if the entire population of Argentina was on-board her at the time.
Essentially they live in a world of total self-delusion where Argentina is never to blame, its always somebody elses fault and every nation around them has “stolen their land” at some point or another.
The question one has to ask oneself is if these “Argentines” are truly representative of their Nation, or are just the mad fringe of CFKs propaganda campaign...indoctrinated from school all the way into government.
@Anbar
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The question one has to ask oneself is if these “Argentines” are truly representative of their Nation, or are just the mad fringe of CFKs propaganda campaign..”
In their unwavering support for “La Vieja” they are the mad fringe. In their belief that Argentina is always the victim, they are consistent with most.
@98 Troll Tempest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina' was not formed until 1853.
You have had wars of expansion against your neighbours for the past 180 years!
1853+180= 2033
ROFLMAO
There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104 Polly wants a cracker
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be.”“”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they say there is, often enough, they might magic one up though.
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“ In their belief that Argentina is always the victim, they are consistent with most.”
It is certainly an impression that I am getting... i'd ask the three at work here but it would be a tad unfair to put them on the spot like that.
Polly wants a cracker. Hey Musky-I smell something pungent-the Argentine people defeated the junta-not the UK. Brits won't defend own country -they hire those Gurkas to do the bidding of big oil. Your army is one of slaves and vassals.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentina, between the Government's silence and pain Malvinas
Apr 09th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The few leaders who addressed the former prime minister condemned the sinking of the Belgrano and neoliberal policies, “cold” and “unpleasant”, the verdict of the street - The death of Margaret Thatcher, Prime Minister of Great Britain during the Falklands War, had yesterday a disparate impact in Argentina, with good press coverage, but with almost no reactions in political leadership. In fact, the government of Cristina Kirchner did not comment on the issue.
That silence was broken only by Ernesto Alonso, president of the National Argentine Falklands Veterans, who told ANSA that Thatcher “contributed nothing to world peace.”
The few leaders who referred to Thatcher's death, most of the opposition, condemned the ruling conservative figure, who blamed the deaths of 323 Argentine combatants in the sinking of the General Belgrano on 2 May 1982, one month after the beginning of the war....'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1570943-la-argentina-entre-el-silencio-del-gobierno-y-el-dolor-por-malvinas
108
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must be laptop day at Bellevue's mental hospital...
@107
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the 3 you work with are in the UK, I assume that they are probably holding down a technical/professional job, i.e. they are educated. This being the case they will not support la vieja. Being outside of Argentina they will have realized that the only country victimizing Argentina is Argentina. Go on ask them, Argies love being on the spot.
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Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the same British Army that loaded thousands of your heros on to British ships and brought them back home to you for a heros welcome would it?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean, that British Army do you?
PMSL
Btw, the mere presence of a Gurkha was enough to start your lot running.
Well you run the hell away from hundreds of places (including BA 1806-1807), we did it just once, your point is....
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@103pest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0U/P 20+ years of Wars of Expansion against your neighbours
Argentina 160 YEARS of WAR OF EXPANSION AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOURS!
ROFLMAO
Hardly LIBERATORS of South America!!!
112 Suzzie Cholita na kolene pred Thatcher...oh you've done that already.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought you would never ask!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no Malvinas, never has been, never will be.
Bravo you learned how to sum....now try something more challenging, let's say divisions, “telecom expert”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ROFLMAO
'Tricky decision over Argentines at Lady Thatcher funeral
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Organisers of Baroness Thatcher’s funeral are facing a tricky decision over whether to invite a representative from Argentina alongside Falkland Islanders...'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9982889/Tricky-decision-over-Argentines-at-Lady-Thatcher-funeral.html
Please don't hurt our feelings.....
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enough of these Bennies for today.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The puppet masters are working overtime with all their pathetic sock puppets.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before you leave I would just like t say.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no Malvinas, never have been, never will be.
Argentina has been deleted.....yes......deleted. Most SA nations would like that.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no Malvinas , never have been, never will be.
Looks like they've taken one of the duty trolls off the Daily Telegraph
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Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latam leaders send condolence messages but not a word from Argentina
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Does this not prove that CFK is a disgrace?
She humiliates Argentina and her self with this anti British childish attitude,
The British by the way, sent condolences to the Venezuelan leader Hugo chavez
She does her self no favours,
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But to be fair, lolol=
Rumour has it, she asked for a front seat at st pauls as a VIP visiting diplomat, and was told
To stand in the crowd or stay at home, perhaps she feels left out of the limelight,
Just a silly rumour chaps, just rumour lol.
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@121, 122 pesky trolls
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL, you multi- persona puppets!!
Were you the star pupil in Thinkedover's
”Campora Propaganda and Advanced Trolling class
12 Helber Galarga (#) “This is about the MAJORITY. Have you ever heard about them??? You selfish pig.”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well HG, maybe its time to give you a small lesson in both the English language and democracy.
Majority - the number by which the votes cast for the winning party exceed those for its nearest rival.
This is a principle of government that is know in civillised countries as a DEMOCRACY, and yholds elections/ballots/referendums etc that are run on this basis. If you want to know how and opne, honest fair ballot is carried out just as the Gov of the Falkland Islands, I'm sure they would be happy to explain.
In the UK we hold just such democractic elections to elect a government to serve for no longer than a period of 5 years.
Well Baroness Thatcher served as Prime Minister for 11 years have stood for parliament in her own right as an MP, and as leader of her party and therefore Prime Minister in THREE elections, each of which she WON with an INCREASED MAJORITY (there we have it, the explanation) on every occasions.
She was elected 3 times by the people of this country with a MANDATE (we will hold that lesson in democracy at another time) to carry out her policies.
When the country felt that she was no longer in tune with them, and her policies at the end of 11 years no longer resonated with them, she was unelected by her party. This is another aspect of a mature democracy that you may wish explore and understand before spouting off complete bollocks about UK governance. When Argentina finally becomes a mature honest democracy, I will happily listen to your views and ideas, however that may be a long way off.
Argentina still has the real iron lady, the people's iron lady Cristinita. Interesting that even this Falklands-centric site reports the Argentine coverage is not just about 1982, but about her leadership of the “conservative revolution”, ie failed neoliberalism...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129 Troy
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, he slipped and started using SuzzieUS's language. That is one twisted troll. I wouldn't put my hand in that sock-puppet!
“”“”@107
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the 3 you work with are in the UK, I assume that they are probably holding down a technical/professional job, i.e. they are educated. This being the case they will not support la vieja. Being outside of Argentina they will have realized that the only country victimizing Argentina is Argentina. Go on ask them, Argies love being on the spot.“”“”
yeah, but, I'm also the owner/boss, so its not really fair...and i think like you do that they wont/dont want anything to do with CFK and the malvo trolls.
I mean the likes of stevie-knows-everything ( even if he was only just born when Thatcher was in power and has never been to the UK, let alone lived here as worker during those times) and idiots like Helger who rant that the “MAJORITY” hated her.. yet forget those same people elected her 3 times to power... so, you know, without wanting to point out the bleedin' obvious but... the majority clearly supported her.
I mean lets be serious here: we're talking about people whose only knowledge of Thatcher comes from reading the Argentine press, they didnt live in Britain, they didnt work in Britain, they didnt vote, they didnt have to go through the “winter of discontent”, or employee bolshy staff operating under Union Largesse... and so on and so forth.
they have zero experience other than indoctrination via the press & web... and anybody listens to them? Seriously?
Utterly clueless they are, and simply repeating other people's rhetoric with no understanding behind it.
131
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She has never been donated that title,
Or was she elected or joined the conservatives,
You have been living in Argentina to long.
Her party has nothing in common with British politics,
Or conservatism,
Or in fact the iron ladyism,
But hey,
Perhaps the title of
The talking lady..
@128
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some prat in BA Herald, head of Malvinas something or another, regrets she died before they could take her before the Hague as a war criminal.
Duh, what a twat, they had 31 years to do it and it's not like they did not know where to find her.
Personally, I think he should have asked for her to be charged as a “war we started criminal.” By we, I mean them, the Argentines. Call me a nit picker, but I like to see things done right!
“Some prat in BA Herald, head of Malvinas something or another, regrets she died before they could take her before the Hague as a war criminal.”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-
Well, thats a result of a piss-poor education system that concentrates on propaganda over real history - they dont understand how such International systems work - just as they dont understand the difference between UN resolutions that can be enforced and those that are nothing more than polite suggestions.
Similarly they dont understand that when they start a war the opposition might kill some of them - they think thats a war crime; but leaving 10s of thousands of unmarked landmines all over civilian land is “O.K.”.
(As is throwing nuns out of aeroplanes and then blaming it on the US/UK because they were secretly in charge of the Junta!)
Its a measure of the people ateotd.ll watch, remember and stoe away for future times when you can, once again, as usual, say “Well we did warn you but you didnt listen”.
At which point they will have a “latin moment” and then start finding somebody else to pin the blame on. :-)
Its a chronic case of “Wilful Ignorance”: a status where people literally do not want to be educated on something as they prefer living in the bliss of their ignorance..because it is convenient.
(Like CFKs Government economy figures f.ex)
This person is just stupid then.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0War criminals kill innocent people, [argentine junta]
War criminals send the innocent to die, [argentine junta ]
War leaders defend the innocent [ Maggie did this ]
War leaders defeat the war criminals [ Maggie did this]
So what would she be charged with,
if anything CFK should give her a medal and make a statue to her for freeing Argentina from the nasty juntas.
Come on Argies call on CFK to erect a statue in memory to Margaret Thatcher
What say you…
mmmmmmmmmmm
@118pest
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a demoralising job you must have - taking Maximo's “sausage” in return for spending the whole day on the Internet trying in vain to defend the crimes and moronic actions of a psycho-woman.
Time after time, you have to compromise any intellectual honesty you might have had, to make excuses or fabricate alternate histories to excuse your country.
Then, each day, you hear us countdown your economy into the 'crapper' and know deep down that it is true.
You may be in denial now, but your economy is fracturing and your infrastructure is crumbling.
None of the fairy tales you were taught in school are coming true, Argentina does not have the best industrialists, technology, scientists, beef, Biro pens. Nothing.
All lies, now. Sad.
You must be waiting to see if your President has a mental collapse before she gets ousted from power.
If she doesn't run away to Caracas with a couple of $b of the people's money, she'll dragged thru the streets by her heels.
Either way - you won't get paid and you'll be out of a job.
I'm planning a nice holiday in the South Pacific - then off to the Mercedes dealership to pick up my new car when I get back.
You???
As I have said over and over again, not a smart people...
Apr 09th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News media have at last confirmed the urban legend in which a person somewhere south of the border buys a lapdog, only to discover later that it is a large rodent. A retired man from Catamarca, Argentina, went to a market in Buenos Aires, and purchased what he believed to be two toy poodles, only to discover after getting home that they were ferrets, reports the Daily Mail.
The ferrets had been given steroids to make them appear larger and were groomed to look like fluffy white toy poodles. The small poodles usually sell for around $1000, and the man paid $150 for each of the large ferrets. He was not the only dog buyer duped however. Local news in Buenos Aires discovered a woman had been sold a ferret passed off as a chihuahua as well.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/08/ferrets-on-steroids-sold-as-dogs-in-argentina/#ixzz2Pzw7QhQt
I see the Malvanista Morons are out in force, and why not?
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They cannot grasp that Baroness Thatcher defeated the Junta and thereby defeated Argentina.
A woman, a British woman at that! Why cannot TMBOA be even a fraction as decisive as MT was? The answer of course is that TMBOA is mentally ill and should not even be President of AR.
But the argies voted for her I hear them all bleat! Yes, but not the fabled 54%: only 36% and falling faster and faster, so no chance of argieland getting out of the Peronist death spiral, coming to a place near to you any time now!
If you lot only had two brain cells to rub together you would wish for your own Margaret Thatcher to come and drag you out of your self-imposed quagmire.
LOLs, you deserve everything you are about to get.
Seems Pesky was allocated this thread today.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 pesky, where is your link to The UN website stating The Falkland population do not qualify for SELF-DETERMINATION, in your own time.....
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....meanwhile, SELF-DETERMINATION....rules!
Re. South Africa and the end of apartheid, Britain and Margaret Thatcher:
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you've ever watched the documentary movie “Endgame”, you will remember that the breakthrough talks happened in Britain. Some of these talks happened in the 1980's when MT was PM.
TWIMC……
Apr 09th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Billy Bragg, very fittingly, says….:
“The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that they are in today……......
Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family…….
Of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom........
Of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of British society……...
”Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism.
Don't celebrate - organise!”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/9980978/Margaret-Thatcher-was-barbaric-and-a-terror-says-Morrissey.html
When left-wing protest singers support your cause you know it is a lost one.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When Banksters support your cause you know it is the wrong one.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Miguel song Piero Cantilo and truly portraying the criminal and genocidal Margaret Thatcher
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LADY VIOLENCE AND CHILDREN
Lady violence firecrackers clouds
Words flamethrower and criminal reason
Architect built a fire of fear
Machete arrogant and pit scar.
Lady of the blows and curses
With hands gillette gun and sex
Lady violence where will the children of thy womb
Muscles resistant leather
Punishing enemies screaming and kicking
Someone who loves me, killing living.
Lady violence rages
Revolution and war, national pretext
For many people release their anxieties,
Your sleeping body and animal instinct.
Energetic lady wild fields
Patron of the jungles and brutal work
Lady of the men who grow up in the footprint
Deformed lady, crazy in the city.
Where are the children of your womb
With effervescent lead flakes
Mistreating animals and felled pine
Destroying forests, breaking the valleys,
Withering grass ranging treading.
Raul,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Curious use of the word “genocide” there, let's see:
Argie junta = 30,000 dead Argies (not genocide?)
Maggie = 700 approx dead Argies (genocide)
As I said...protest song = lost cause.
Raul you need treatment. I am an atheist but I am nothing like as mentally sick as you. If I were you I would seek treatment for your condition immediately. You need help and you need it quickly. See a doctor tomorrow.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As we say in England, and in our Falkland Islands, you are off your trolley!
The Malvinas does not exist.... Get over it!
@147 Well Raul, it's a Tuesday full of projection on any thread on which you can post isn't it. Calls of genocide for the woman (that really must make the machismo sting, eh?) who, as a consequence of liberating the Falklands (which in turn was a temporary success in keeping themselves in power by earning the support of cowers like you), put an end to your dirty war with casualties estimated in the 10ths of thousands (a political genocide using some of your own words as a limp wristed apologist of the Junta that you claim to oppose).
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many songs, Raul have you posted in rueful anger over the deaths that YOUR Junta caused, both in Argentina proper and the Falklands? Not a ditty that I've seen here. How many songs showing anger over your people's own cowardice in not confronting the Junta -- until it disappointed you and Thatcher humiliated your national pride by finishing a fight YOUR Junta started and you praised in the street? Not a note. But Maggie, the Great Privatizer and Milk Thief -- and in her eye the broad who castrated your manhood? Five verses on multiple threads.
Silent complicity for your tyrants. Silent guilt for your cowardice. But vitriol and bile for the Flawed Liberator. What a piece of low-rent trash you are!
Raul,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a much better protest song about a different island...pure and beautiful Chilean talent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBoSU_85bxE
@144 Think,
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well we all know where morrissey stands on his views of freedom and liberty, or his lack of for The Falklands, im thinking he makes more money from argentina than The Falklands hence his lip service, tells the argentine exactly what they want to hear to fill his concerts,money,money,money quite greedy and hypocritical of him really, unless of course his concerts are free...thought not.
“Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family…….” misinformed generalisation and not the norm, I work full time and I can support my family quite easily, dont figure.
“Of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom........”, The only time i would probably ever agree with you, conservatives will always look after their class the rest The UK is irrelevant.
“Of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of British society……...”, there you go again, misinformed generalisation and not a true reflection of The British society I know, yes there are cases in the UK as there are the world over, by every country with no exception, unless of course you can give an example of a society that has no element what so ever of greed.
@144thinkedover
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family…….”
Ordinary people can do, but its very very tough - what kind of lifestyle are you talking about?
Nobody in the UK is living in the “villa miseria” of Argentina.
Argentina can thank CFK, “Greedy Lady, Callous, Amoral Lady”, of the Casa Rosada, for that.
The ordinary ”Working Class and Middle Classes across Europe and North America have become a two -income norm.
Are you going to blame that on Thatcher? Get real.
@149, as a fellow heathen who is relatively sane I don't get your point.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT....
These folks who seem to think that if they get the Falklands that their domestic woes would be over.... And those Junta apologists who think that if the Junta had just been able to hold onto the Falklands and toss a few of them out of a plane, Argentina would turn into a utopian liberal democracy (but not a neo-liberal one of course, I mean REALLY)...
...Now THAT's religious fervor, baby! They remind me of people who think if they can toss a couple thousand virgins* down a volcano that the sun will keep rising for them and Don Ho will stop singing Tiny Bubbles.
* For their own safety, the islanders who post here best be gettin' busaaaayyyeee**.
** if you know what I mean***.
*** and I think you do.
@147 what a crock of shite....oxygen thief! how was margaret thatcher a genocidal murder? horrible bitch yes, murderer no....have you ever heard of “The conquest of the dessert”, now theres genocide for you.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION......Its all good!
150 GFace
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many songs that show anger at the cowardice of his own people by failing to address the Board
The Argentine people was never cowardly. Junta faced with 30,000 missing bravely. Margaret Thatcher before the 1982 war Galtieri support in the implementation of state terrorism in Argentina. Do not be confused. She worked against democracy Argentina.
Cowardice is a property of the racist, colonialist and imperilaistas British politicians like Thatcher and Cameron. Courage is the British people who suffered and endured the terror policies Margeret Thatcher and now is suffering the economic crisis generated by neoliberalism Cameron.
You forget that Nestor and Cristina Kirchner sent to jail for genocidal military. Elos have restored dignity to people facing Argentine neoliberal corporations.
Nestor and Cristina Kirchner opt for life and peace. Cameron and Thatcher commitment to violence and death.
In the UK are celebrating his death.
Injured and arrested in street celebrations over the death of former British premier
http://www.clarin.com/mundo/Heridos-detenidos-celebraciones-callejeras-britanica_0_898110331.html
148 Condorito
You want to praise and criminal Pinochet. I have no guilt that pleases You genocides like Pinochet, Videla, Galtieri and Margeret Thatcher.
You bet and likes death and violence. I bet the life and non-violence.
Recall that Margaret Thatcher supported and protected the genocidal Pinochet.
A couple of criminals.
The Chilean people are not to blame for this. Suffered and fought bravely to get rid of the dictator.
Oh the tired metanarratives you read. Everything is the fault of El Norte. The big Yanqui and British devils (one wonders if the Ruskies are blameless). Nothing is your fault unless it is a victory. If the Junta held the islands AR would have gladly held onto the Junta and its dirty war. Your protest culture gladly put itself in the service of the government once it gave you what your wanted: your own colony to oppress. But that didn't happen. The Junta failed you, and only then did your protest culture collect itself from mothers of little impact it “spontaneously” became the same people who voted the Junta a renewed term with the cheers they shouted weeks earlier. And why was that? Revolutions, both velvet and pointy, have been won with less favorable little-p people to Big-P people ratios than you had. You know full well that its because Thatcher and the British challenged your Junta and faced down an army that was calibrated to fight civilians (yeah, that's brave), this time holding guns to the heads of a new block of civilians AND with the warm approval and blessing of the rank-n-file Argentines who grew up on the same cynical narratives you continue to spout who also knew exactly what was in store for the, having experienced it themselves.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brits, having a diverse and vibrant and above all, loudly and proudly independent, protest culture can do what they want. AR however should at the very least question how Germany would have looked like if they were to have cheered Churchil's death. I can't speak for Britain but if I could I would say “your welcome”.
But I CAN say, nationalities asside, to “Stop. Digging.”
Raul - can you list the economic and socaial issues facing UK in the early 1980s( and same from the 1960s and 1970s) and their points for and against?
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0No? - I though not. Take a close look at the TV and press pictures from UK - most of those you see acting like idiots on the streets were born AFTER the 1980s so they also know NOTHING - most of them are there for one thing - cheap booze and a bit of a laugh - albeit in bad taste.
And you claim Mrs Thatcher and Cameron are murderers? please list their victims then?
Oh - dont start with any crap about 1982 - your Govt started the fighting there and the belgrano was a legitinate target and YOU know it. Your Govt of of 1982 - and EVERY SINGLE ARGENTINE WHO SUPPORTED IT ON APRIL 2nd 1982
are fully responsible for the deaths of all those men on both sides AND the 3 civilian Islanders.
Did I really hear some twat compare Maggie with CFK?
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0First of all, Maggie restored some pride to the UK by confronting left wing socialist extremists who were bringing the country down to it's knees much like what the Bolivarians are doing in S.A.
She re-energized the economy by privatizing lame duck nationalized industries making them more efficient & profitable
She stood up to the miners, power workers, engineering unions to name a few who were blackmailing the country with their excessive wage demands
She helped hundreds of thousands out of poverty & enabled them to buy their own homes for the first time in their lives
She ended the culture of state dependancy making people stand on their own two feet & taking responsibility for themselves
She was instrumental in bringing down the iron curtain by opening up communication lines with Gorbachev
She was instrumental in ending apartheid by opening up communication lines with De Klerk & Botha
And last but not least she had the ' pelotas' to stand up to the military junta who invaded a peaceful island nation & not only did she win the war but it also helped to bring down a brutal dictatorship for which the RGs should be forever thankful
Now then, what did CFK do?.......................hmmmmm..............................
Oh yeah, she increased inflation to around 30% per year, she introduced import controls creating shortages in manufacturing, she introduced dollar controls creating a massive parallel market, she created state capitalism by taking over the central bank, pension funds & YPF, she's picked fights with the U.S., U.K, E.U., U.N., I.M.F., F.I., Scioli, Macri, Moyano & even the pope, she hid behind the Campora in times of national crisis like the Once train crash & the La Plata floods
And last but not least, she whined about the Falklands incessantly until everyone got tired of her including B.K.Moon & the Pope.........absolutely NO COMPARISON!!!
The Belgrano would have been a legitimate target even if it had been spotted in the Indian Ocean. It is quite unfortunate that most Argentinians have learnt nothing since 1982. What a bunch of whiny dimwits. And they even dare say that Brazilians are on their side. We are not. We despise you.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a great idea...
Apr 10th, 2013 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9983402/Port-Stanley-should-be-renamed-Port-Margaret-say-senior-Foreign-Office-figures.html
C'mon would you send condolences for the death of Galtieri?
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“not a word from Argentina”
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0But plenty in Britain...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu501xFA6IM
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Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not the same in any way!
I did not like her as a politician however i do not think the celebrations correct! In fact it is childishly inappropriate!
To have been in power for so long proves that those doing the celebrating now where simply not smart enough to have done anything about the situation then, or even all those years after.
Regarding the Falklands.........She did what any other country with resolve would have done. The RG's made a massive miscalculation and lost as a result!
Fair and square! Thatcher proved a more powerful and clearer leader than that of RGland , both then, and now! KFC will never leave such a global imprint (whether good or bad) when she eventually dies! In fact, on the global arena, she will be forgotten as quickly as her husband! Basically she will leave nothing more than a piss-hole -in-the-snow-of-a-mark !!
Once again, RG's show no grace, no understanding, no ideas, no strategy, no balls, no Falklands!
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Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0And exactly what the fuck does whatever Thatcher did in the UK have to do with Argentina?
Argentina and the UK are enemies. Condolences are send to friendly nations.
@165 Still not over it then? :-)
Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously though, Argentina could do with a leader with half Thatchers resolve and determination to do what is needed rather than what is most politically expedient at the time.
Britain was a mess economically when she took over and she sorted it. Argentina is a mess now and there is no way that bi-polar dollar-grabbing attention-seeking nutjob CFK will sort it out. Nor does there appear to be anyone in the wings with the steely determination needed for the task.
But why don't you trolls keep posting your hate here? That'll make you feel much better, I'm sure.
Not over what?
Apr 10th, 2013 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have given no opinion on Thatcher. Anywhere on these boards. Because you see, I unlike you disrespectful Brits I don't talk about the dead and gloat about it, as you did with Kirchner celebrating the comments of a foreign leader about another (dead) foreign leader.
I had the feeling something would happen to make you Brits look idiotic, and here you have it. Your hero is dead, right on cue as you people were eating Mujica's comments like bears eat honey. Ridiculous and embarassing.
Oe very big difference, if Thatcher had anything to say, she would have done it to your face. Mujica and others do it to your backs, but then you know and have become used to that.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0KEEP CALM and BURN IN HELL MAGGIE! Galtieri was waiting for you, both have a good stay and slowly cooked
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@167
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0So today you are back posting as “John Troll the 3rd” !
Take it your not one of her admirers then?
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@167 over your ill-conceived war in 1982.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0If it wasn't for that why would the Uk and Argentina be natural enemies? You make decent wine and steak, I even supported your football team in 1978. If you hadn't invaded, then kept on bleating about it ever since, we could probably all be friends. But if you want to let your anger consume you, be my guest.
The military junta of Argentina in 1982 ordered the invasion of the Falkland Islands and from the euphoria of the crowd assembled in front of the Casa Rosada in Buenos Aires this was supported by the majority of the Argentine population when it was announced. Thus the conflict, whatever the consequences, was provoked and supported by the population of Argentina.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The principal consequence was that Britain did not just “roll over” and allow Argentina to have its illegal way - we responded, led by Mrs Margaret Thatcher, in defence of our fellow citizens whose land had been illegally taken from them by foreign elements.
The conflict was not nice - many young men lost their lives - but the BLAME LIES WITH ARGENTINA. The sinking of the General Belgrano was NOT a war crime - the captain of the vessel, Captrain Bonzo acknowledged on several occasions that it was an Act of War and he was supported by an Admiral of the Argentine Navy Operations.
So what's all the evil intent of the Argentine trolls with the death of Baroness Thatcher - she was not responsible for the deaths of so many young argentinos, Argentine was entirely to blame.
And I congratulate our new Holy Father on his message to Britain in connection with the death our beloved Baronness Thatcher. ¡Viva el Papa!
It s pretty sad reflection on Argentina when their supposedly peace-loving current regime find it unacceptable that Argentine soldiers, sailors and airmen were killed during a war that they started.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, its now official: If Argentina starts a war against you by invanding a peaceful community you are NOT allowed to fight back, otherwise they will class it as a war crime.
Even better they now state that fighting back is against “the peaceful resolution of conflicts”.
Erm remind me - who started the war by invading the Falklands?
Ah, but we were supposed to roll over, take the humiliation and negotiate the hand over, that was the master plan. I mean, who in their right mind could possibly have thought for a milli second that we would fight back! Be fair, it is not as if there was any historical precedent of the British fighting back, now is there? A totally understandable mistake to make, if your a brain dead, stupid, idiotic moron, with the mental capacity of a single cell life form!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 10th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@166
Apr 10th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, if CFK is half the woman Maggie was, let's see her solve the current economic crisis, put the unions in their place, settle her foreign debts, negotiate with Chile to re-connect T.d.Fuego with the mainland & give back some pride to the RGs which they haven't had since Evita died
But somehow I don't think that will happen so bring on the next crisis!!!
167. I don't talk about the dead and gloat about it...
Apr 10th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Toby, you bring up USA school shootings with glee just about every other day.
If there is a bigger hypocrite whiner on MP I don't know who it would be.
“”“If there is a bigger hypocrite whiner on MP I don't know who it would be.”“”
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, Raul, Marcos, ThinkDover... really, most of them.
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“”“”I mean, who in their right mind could possibly have thought for a milli second that we would fight back! Be fair, it is not as if there was any historical precedent of the British fighting back, now is there?“””
In the context of the times it was actually a reasonable expectation that the UK would roll over & take it.
Bear in mind that anybody other than Maggie, at that time, probably would have rolled over.
Since Maggie, nobody would dare.
@156 Raul
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I din't even mention Pinochet in my post.
I am questioning your use of the word “genocide”. 700 hundred dead soldiers is not genocide in any country.
@178
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You my friend make a very valid point, I must admit I had forgotten about Wilson, Heath and Co.
Talk about having a cake and eating it ......
Apr 10th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pubescent little Camporistas are constantly telling us how bad the military were , what with the Dirty War , desaparecidos , torture , baby theft , etc .
Along comes Maggie , military humiliates the dictatorship ( at great political risk to herself , because the war could have gone either way ) to the point where they are forced to call democratic elections and hand over power and yet the Camporistas have the gall to call her a war criminal when in fact they should be building shrines to her .
So 635 soldiers and sailors died ? That many die in a month in Argentina from floods , road crashes, train crashes , violent crime , drug abuse , preventable diseases and malnutrition under the present government's ineptitude . You may care to reflect on that .
@181
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but it is Britain that should be grateful to Galtieri for keeping Thatcher in power to finish off her reforms. Without the war she would have been gone short on her fir term.
You should be building shrines to Argentina all over the UK.
Ah, so that's why you invaded? To save Maggies political career, well I'll be damned, here was me thinking it was because the junta needed a distraction!
Apr 10th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is, in one sense, true that the common man in Argentina should be thankful that the response by Prime Minister Thatcher to the invasion by the junta led to the junta's downfall.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But we should not ask too much by way of eulogy from the Argentine leadership or its people.
The leadership needed their bete noir - THE IRON LADY.
After losing the war and now with her passing, the propaganda campaign against the Falklands becomes more distantly difficult. History books are less potent than 'the living personification of that great evil'.
And an Argentine people who suffer daily Malvenas-indoctrination cannot be wholely blamed when they repeat their teaching.
I am personally guilty of relief at the passing of Hugo and, though I bad-mouthed him during life, I allowed him to pass with the dignity of my LACK of comment.
And I certainly did not expect the (defeated) German nation to send tributes to Churchill the warrior on his death.
Nations can play politics with the passing of (great) leaders, but sometimes the most we should expect and hope for is a respectful silence.
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Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also shined with your lack of comments against those who mocked the body of Chavez.
Not even you believe your own words.
It sounds great though.
@184.... ”And I certainly did not expect the (defeated) German nation to send tributes to Churchill the warrior on his death.“
Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I WOULD actually expect it. The Germans went through ”de-nazification“: they were slapped in the face with their own actions and complicity and they have shown true remorse and don't necessarily just blame WW2 on the Nazis and accept that they all cheered them on as a majority and want to make sure that it won't happen again. The Argentines however have been petulant through and through. Even with the one thing I would support the Kirchner's for (token revocation amnesty in a country awash with a network of ”Little Eichmanns”) AR never when through “de-Juntafication” and expanding the Junta's dirty war to the FI was the ONE thing they universally supported at the time save for a small minority of “traitors.” To this day they mint coins to them and hand out medals for the Dirty War's Hail Mary pass as a good thing deliberately ignoring the broader implications of an alternative history where the Junta prevailed over the FI (AND Argentina).
The Germans with the exceptions of the tiniest sliver of neofascists despise the Nazis. W.R.T. Churchill, they nodded with quiet respect and dare I say grudging gratitude. However, The Argentines have an unhealthy love-hate thing for Junta. Oh yes, the Dirty War as bad and “everyone” opposed it until Apr 2, 1982 at which point they were forever grateful for brief moment of national pride they gave them -- when they gave them a colony that could be treated the same way the Junta treated them (Yes, that will show those British “Pirats”). And that's pretty sick. But then “That Woman” (dare I say “That Hag”?) showed them up. And that just couldn't stand. Nor can it be allowed to stand years after the Junta fell.
Tramp the dirt down. And give us our colony “back.”
The Germans chose Hitler.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina didn't get to vote.
Britain chose Blair.
USA chose Bush.
@187: You may not have voted them in but you certainly affirmed (reelected even) them on 3 April 1982 in the streets. It was a “reelection” through acclamation. You knew then and you know now that you were “voting” for more disappearances, torture and murder. You knew the and you know now that you were “voting” to for disappearances, torture and murder and the islands even if you desperately convinced yourself that the “handover” was “peaceful” even though you knew then and you know now that people don't vote to be disappeared, tortured and murdered by new colonial overlords when the previous management did nothing of the sort.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0188
Apr 10th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that how you chose your governors? Through perception in the (carefully selected) streets?
That explains a lot :)
“not a word from Argentina”
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't the silence pleasant ! Here's hoping they keep their mouths shut permanently !!
@182 The Labour Party manifesto of 1983 made you Camporistas sound sensible , and the people completely rejected the left . War or no war , she would have hands down , as she did .
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck with your price controls , bans on supermarket advertising , import tariffs , high taxes , cepo del dollar and protectionism .
Worked well in the Soviet Bloc , bound to be a winner .
Ya see,
Apr 11th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Argies are so so afraid of Maggie, they now write poems to her,
Like simple peasants did thousands of years ago,
Frightened that her spirit might come back and harm them,
If they don’t appease her .
Keep up the poems,
She aint far away.
.
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Apr 11th, 2013 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha!!
About 6 feet away, I would say :)
Like the British comments on several British forums I say:
Maggie, rest in piss.
Who said British humour was dry? :)
most drunks normaly do rest in pixx,
Apr 11th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and wake up with a headache,
but this ones drink is a stiff one,
the last one
and the most remembered,
argentinian will remember her into eternity..
Remember who?
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thatcher the little old 87 year old woman with Alzheimer's is dead. But thatcher the symbol lives on:
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. She symbolises the lack of generosity and kindheartedness of a certain brand of entrepreneurial Protestantism.
2. She symbolises cheap and dangerous patriotism at the rotting end of empire.
3. She symbolises the victory of ill gotten gain over profits from hard sustained labour.
4. She symbolises the destruction, by fair means and foul (but mainly foul) of workers rights to defend themselves in the workplace.
5. She symbolises the spread, like a virus, of the destructive ideology of the Chicago school through all the establishment's forums from Davos to G8.
6. She symbolises the military industrial complex and Mutually Assured Destruction, with Reagan taking us to the brink of war with a first strike policy she supported.
7. She symbolises the loss of Britain's position as a leading industrial power.
8. She symbolises the way British people became defenseless against exploitation, with millions of people in the British living increasingly off shitty low paid part time jobs.
9. She symbolises the victory of identity politics over social justice. A woman presiding over the impoverishment and oppression of a whole nation.
10. She symbolises the loss of national sovereignty to the United States, with US listening stations and military bases dotting the archipelago.
11. She symbolises the cultivation of the council house buyers, the I am alright jack fuck you brand of Britishness and the end of affordable council housing.
12. For Thatcher there was no such thing as society because she was busy her best to destroy it. Especially in the North of England.
13. Thatcher symbolises the end of One Nation Tory-ism and the beginning of an even more horribly divided set of islands.
14. Thatcher symbolises the victory of the watery dark selfish mean spirit of many British people over their tolerant generous kind better selves.
And of course she was immortalized wh
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Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she beat you lot
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Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And of course she was immortalized when she took the free milk away from poor children as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher.
That last should be her political epitaph.
now now,
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sour milk make bad cream, or was that cheese ..
@198 and anyone else who likes to bring up the subject of Milk Snatcher ... I hate milk.
Apr 12th, 2013 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like me, there were tens of thousands of other kids at infants and junior school in the UK who disliked the milk given out (including my brother and sisters). Maggie did us a big favour by getting rid of it, but I am being selfish.
However, I preferred the custard or the ice cream (which I think is a better way of getting the milk), which I got for lunch everyday and there was plenty more for second portions! Spotted Dick was my favourite pudding. That needed lots of custard with it because it could be a tad dry and difficult to swallow!!! So was the Jam Roly Poly. Yum yum.
... and talk about swallowing ...
The invitation and guest list has been announced for Baroness Thatcher's funeral. However, there was another list announced of those who will definitely not be invited ... embarrassingly there was only ONE name on it .. and it was of the Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. Oh dear. Not very nice to be singled out in a negative way especially when the world's attention is focused on the events in London. Oh to be reminded again, of the defeat of Argentina by a grocer's daughter from Grantham.
The HUMILIATION. Cristina must be hopping mad, screaming, crying and yelling at everyone, and what makes it worse for her is that she cannot say anything derogatory about Maggie especially after the recent episode when the Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman summoned the Uruguayan ambassador in Buenos Aires, Guillermo Pomi, to protest about the comments of the Uruguayan President Mujica when he called Nestor Kirchner Boss-Eyed (as well as calling Cristina an “old hag”).
Mr Timerman said “It is unacceptable that derogatory comments that offend the memory... of a deceased person, who cannot defend himself”.
So, according to my logic that means we won't be hearing anything nasty from the Argentinian people or Argentine government about our Maggie.
@200
Apr 12th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes, the UK has invited the following based on their close ties with MT:
descendants of Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, and Sukarno.
A fine bunch if I might add, and their deceased host by extension a fine lady......
“”“And of course she was immortalized when she took the free milk away from poor children as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher.
Apr 12th, 2013 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0That last should be her political epitaph.”“”“
It is interesting to note when these ”Intelligent“ Malvos halt their google-research into their spontaneous claims and where they don't.
F.ex: Thatcher was strongly against the removal of free-milk in schools.
Now, as this fact is exceptionally easy to uncover, one has to ask oneself a few questions as to whether these Malvos are simply stupid, or deliberately misrepresenting history?
We know that they commonly re-write history to suit themselves, so there is precedent, however stupidity does seem to be close second.
Thatchers comment to her BOSS at the time?
”“”Mrs Thatcher said: “I think that the complete withdrawal of free milk for our school children would be too drastic a step and would arouse more widespread public antagonism than the saving justifies.”“”“
And yet we see out little malvos misrepresenting history to claim she led the abolition of this national freebie...indeed suggesting it be on her epitaph.
It would, quite clearly, be far more suited on the Malvos epitaphs as an example of p-poor research and deliberate misrepresentation... but since when did historical fact and simple research stop a Mavlotroll from claiming something otherwise as ”fact”.
It is, however, not quite as amusing as the representatives of a nation heading toward closer & Closer ties with rogue states such as Iran, lecturing others on who they had close ties with.
It seems that whilst they can lecture others, they dont seem capable of learning from others... or even seeing the inherent irony.
Maggie Thatcher got rid of the milk because unlike you Helber and the rest of pendejo posters on here ,we are not traga leches .
Apr 12th, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0293
Apr 12th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you are come mierda... And therefor you did nothing to prevent it ;)
Morning Stevie ..... The milk thing is a total non story ...
Apr 12th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you managed to dry the house out yet ? There are more floods to come because Cristina “ divereted ” the money for the flood defences .
Clarin predicted this would happen , over 4 years ago .
No wonder she wants it closed !
Stevie “ Profesor , profesor , el ingles de mierda dice que las inundaciones son culpa de Cristina !!!! Como respondo ? ”
Teacher , the bastard english poster is accusing Cristina of trowsering the budget for flood defence , how should I respond ?
“Acusalo de cambiar el tema”
Accuse him of changing the subject ....
Cristina only discusses 30 year old history , because the present is too inconvenient . Mind you , she NEVER discusses what she and Nestor were doing .....
It's “inglés”. And not “de mierda”. That's what we call a “redundancia”.
Apr 12th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“3 million for the funeral of Margaret Thatcher? For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to satan in person”
- Frankie Boyle
Imagine what the Scots could do with 10M!!! ;)
@206
Apr 12th, 2013 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine what the Argies could do with 10M!!! ;)
why are we talking milk,
Apr 12th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why not apples from trees ,
boy some of you go over the top in point scoring,
the fact is argentina was beaten and thus lost,
get over it chaps, and drink ya milk , tea , coffee , what ever lol
@206 Stevie
Apr 12th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But do you not understand that Frankie Boyle is a twat, you know, just like you.
#182 Very drole, my dear troll =)
Apr 12th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#191 “The Labour Party manifesto of 1983 made you Camporistas sound sensible”
Don't know if it was that good, but it was definately the best manifesto put to the country in the last 30 years. Thanks to our undemocratic electoral system and the criminal treachery of the Labour right who stood against the party with the Liberals, Thatcher won a massive landslide in 1983 - even though her share of the vote went DOWN, despite the Falklands boost. Its a complete myth that Britain decisively rejected socialism or any possible alternative to Thatcherism that year - one day real Labour politics, or, if you like, a British version of Kirchnerism, will have to come back to save us from neoliberalism and the corrupt failing banks
BK
Apr 13th, 2013 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the Trolls are saying MT is responsible for moving the whole Western world to the Right for the past 30 years, and YOU say, they did not “ reject Socialism”!!
Which is it????
#196
Apr 13th, 2013 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Impressive resume of this lady, i understand now why some special brits are so proud of she.....
Thanks for share Helber
Atte, Juancho Talarga
@So-far
Apr 13th, 2013 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0cha-chinggg!!!
Good job, So-far, you earned a sausage.
More mindless affirmation tomorrow...
#211 I mean 1) it wasn't as irreversable as the right would like, and 2) it wasn't the popular rejectionthey would have us believe...
Apr 13th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0210 : From wiki :
Apr 13th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 1983 United Kingdom general election was held on 9 June 1983. It gave the Conservative Party under Margaret Thatcher the most decisive election victory since that of Labour in 1945.
The opposition vote split almost evenly between the SDP/Liberal Alliance and Labour. With its worst performance since 1918, the Labour vote fell by over 3 million from 1979 and this accounted for both a national swing of almost 4% towards the Conservatives and their larger parliamentary majority of 144, even though the Conservatives' total vote fell by almost 700,000.
I have just learned that the UK media has banned “Ding Dong the Witch is Dead” from the Wizard of Oz. This is, apparently, because the people of the UK have started singing it since Margaret Thatcher's death (Thatcher being the witch). So, for the people of the UK, who are sweltering under the oppression of Soviet style censorship, I post a link to the section of the movie:
Apr 13th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_gR8TPG-r_M
@216
Apr 13th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Provide the link that supports your claim.
@216 Hepatia
Apr 13th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So, for the people of the UK, who are sweltering under the oppression of Soviet style censorship, I post a link to the section of the movie:”
You know you can't support that figment of your imagination that you are stating, so now you try a pre-emptive, “ the Government is suppressing the story”.
Sorry, not happening, the tabloid press would have a field day if that were really going on - they would create a huge stink and sell a lot of papers.
Other Trolls like you, would all be screaming about it.
The only government whose people are “sweltering under soviet-style oppression” is yours!!
You dumkopf.
herr heppa,
Apr 13th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dumkoff as far as witches go
CFK makes MT look like a saint..
Jealousy will get you lot nowhere,
Admit it, you are afraid of her even now aint you..
#216
Apr 13th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting video, but what has a 30 minute video of a glider flying into a thunderstorm got to do with the subject. Explain !!
I think it is safe to say just about everyone in the UK knows what the song sounds like - the Wizard of Oz has been on the TV 3 times in the last 10 days.
216 Hepatia
Apr 13th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still no link to your ‘source’, tell me was it the voices in your head that told you? I thought so.
And the link. WTF was that all about or are you ‘flying’ in the clouds with them: that would not surprise me either.
If I wasn’t an atheist I would say ‘Jesus fcuking Christ’ in amazement.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/09/thatcher-s-death-latam-leaders-send-condolence-messages-but-not-a-word-from-argentina#comment238437: It was on NPR. If you are in range of a station turn your radio on. Otherwise you can find a link yourself.
Apr 13th, 2013 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As pointed out I posted the wrong video (hazards of doing too many things at once). Here is the correct link:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/09/thatcher-s-death-latam-leaders-send-condolence-messages-but-not-a-word-from-argentina#comment238437:
@222 Hepafilter
Apr 14th, 2013 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0”en.mercopress.com/2013/04/09/thatcher-s-death-latam-leaders-send-condolence-messages-but-not-a-word-from-argentina#comment238437: It was on NPR. If you are in range of a station turn your radio on. Otherwise you can find a link yourself.
As pointed out I posted the wrong video (hazards of doing too many things at once). Here is the correct link:”
LOL, pretty arrogant of you, getting pissed off at others over links, when you stupidly post the wrong ones yourself.
What a typical Argie fool!
What is NPR ?
Apr 14th, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sooner or later the argentine governement is going to put a statue of Margaret Tatcher on Plaza de Mayo , as thanks to hetArgentina is now a democracy
Apr 14th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/09/thatcher-s-death-latam-leaders-send-condolence-messages-but-not-a-word-from-argentina#comment238550: National Public Radio.
Apr 15th, 2013 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 062 Pesky II
Apr 15th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Resolutions cannot define, nor override Charter provisions as it is ultra vires in law (beyond one's legal power or authority). Article 1 sub. 2. is quite clear “To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;”
How many Camporistas does it take to change a lightbulb ?
Apr 15th, 2013 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0200 to start a riot that results in looting and theft of the lightbulb .
Another 1000 or so to organise the ceremony .
200 people from the media to cover the event .
CFK to make a 3 hour speech claiming the political credit for the changing of the bulb and deriding the old one as being British made .
After 5 years of stumbling about in the dark , it's realised that someone
called Bonafini has stolen the lightbulb , the fittings , the cabling , in fact the entire building .
So the answer is none , because despite all the words and promises , nothing ever gets done under Cristina .
228
Apr 15th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And still they infuse pain in your rear area...
Weird...
229 Stevie / Guzz
Apr 15th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No different to you then?
I wish to pose a question, and I expect honest answers:
Apr 15th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can you admire a politician whose actions cause the unemployment and poverty rates in her own to country to increase? How can you admire a politician who lies in the face of its own people?. That promotes economic unevenness and causes industrial production to decrease? One that bans unions and homosexuals? That promotes greed and selfishness?
@231
Apr 15th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We might answer the question if it was an honest and factual question !
231 yaghan
Apr 15th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, come on!
TMBOA hasn't banned unions, yet, and as for homosexuals she can't even spell it.
@231 yaghan
Apr 15th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I expect honest answers” - a 'demand' by any other name!
Yaghan
You might start by not being antagonistic in your posts, and asking politely.
I don't know who you are talking about here. Hitler? Galtieri, CFK??
Are you suggesting a politician who is NOT a Fascist??
“How can you admire a politician whose actions cause the unemployment and poverty rates in her own to country to increase? How can you admire a politician who lies in the face of its own people?. That promotes economic unevenness and causes industrial production to decrease? ”
Frankly, that sounds like it fits Chavez and CFK to a tee !!
-lying to the workers
-lying to the taxpayers
-lying to creditors
-lying to the Electorate
-profiteering
-destroying the economy
Yup - that's CFK!!
WHO banned Unions????
Who banned Homosexuals???
Do you have anything to support all your 'charges'??
ANYTHING?
No, I thought not.
Too bad for you bitter Propagandists and Trolls that Prime Minister Thatcher had the resolve to thrash your Argentinean Armed Forces for invading an unarmed civilian community - beaten by a woman!!
Stings doesn't it??
“beaten by a woman!!
Apr 15th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stings doesn't it??”
Must be how Clarin/the vulture funds etc feel =)
#234 To expect is to look forward to, to regard as likely to happen. Hardly any demands but hopes! This is stated a formal polite request, I am afraid. But let us leave that for your analyst to decide.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand questions as such. On the contrary, you consider them to be charges. Quite a difference, isn't it?
Quite glad you describe Chavez's and CFks actions as fitting within the scheme, since what I describe are the past actions of your beloved former Prime Minister during her rise to power. So, how come the same actions are despicable only when arising from South American leaders? (I must note that, with Hitler's sole exception, all those mentioned were exactly that ).
One last mistake (of the many you will surely make in the near future) which requires clarification: the Argentinean Land forces surrendered to Major General Sir John Jeremy Moore, as far as I know. Politicians, even those that wear uniforms, (e.g. Galtieri) are seldom present in battlefields.
@236 yaghan
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yaghan
Again, Please verify:
- Lied to the people
- banned Unions
- banned homosexuality
I ask you again, to show sources to back up those 'accusations' of evil-doing on the part of Thatcher.
I bet you can't.
Britain's economy came out stronger after Thatcher. Traditional industries that were no longer viable or competitive, were no longer supported by the Government.
Can you tell me why?
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