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Cooperate and move on
By Fabian Bosoer and Federico Finchelstein (*) - In Argentina, the passing of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher brings memories of a seemingly irresoluble conflict. The conflict stands as a metaphor of a larger history of global misunderstandings. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHow can any country open a dialogue with a paranoid Argentina which is completely devoid of any trustworthiness in its financial or political dealings?
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0All these articles are missing the point... There are only two paths for the Islands now: status quo or independence. Neither of those involve Argentina in any shape or form, unless they want to trade, but even then that's proven to be unnecessary (dollars upfront if they do).
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina are more likely to get sovereignty over bits of Chile and Uruguay than they are the FI. That is the new reality, there is (and was) nothing to discuss. Move on.
One slight problem - Islanders memories of 82. The foul and cruel way the Islanders were treated, and the continuing arrogant and dismissive attitude of KFC and odious Timerman.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina needs a change of governent, a new friendly and cooperative attitude to the islanders, and only then attitudes may change. The stance of the Brita and the islanders and the military prescen e is simply a response to the hostile attitude of Argentineans who wish to rob the Islanders of their heritage, homes and possessions.
Not happening as Argentina screwed that option big style.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1995, we entered a joint agreement with Argentina over hydrocarbons exploration: in 2007 the Argentine Government tore this up. In 1999, the Falkland Islands signed a joint agreement with Argentina to co-operate in a number of areas, including sharing of information on joint fish stocks. Only the Falkland Islands has upheld its side of this agreement; the Argentine Government has unilaterally reneged on nearly every point.
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/self-governance/relationship-with-argentina/
Unfortunatly Argentina has repeatidly spat in the face of the Falkland islanders and this apprantly moderate article does as well.
The UK doesnt really care what argentina says or does not our problem.
Take it up with goverment house in the falklands we can probably look up the address for you if that helps?
The stills maybe a bit odd but there British stills so unless they change their minds its not happening. Given argentina blockades them calls them non people still celebrates invading and imprisoning the islanders.
why the hell would they trust argentina?
Another article that misses the point. Sovereignty is not ours discuss, it is up to the Falkland Islanders whether they wish to discuss it, and I think they had some kind of vote recently which might have given a clue as to their opinion on that
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a massive flaw in this article. It argues from a point of view that Argentina has an actual legitimate claim to the islands.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0IT DOESN'T.
Manufacturing a claim since the 1940s does not give Argentina any rights.
To do even half the things these deluded authors think would be tantamount to rewarding violence and lying, both of which Argentina is guilty of when talking of these islands.
Where are these deluded articles coming from? The Argentine Propoganda Ministry?
Give back Malvinas and move on.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can have the Malvinas with pleasure... oh! but you do know they they don't exist don't you? They don't exist, they never existed, you are the victim of lies, its all here.... http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157633209292361/
Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article completely misses the point. Whoever caused the war who gained from it or not is irrelevant. The world has moved on since 1982 and the Falklands has become used to a high degree of autonomy and indeed through consultation control of its foreign policy if not its defense.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has in the past had ample opportunity to cooperate on many levels and having agreed then rejected said opportunities.
The big problem with the suggestions in the article is that nobody in the UK or the Falklands would trust Argentina, whatever the flavor of its government, not to reverse its decisions at a later date as it appears to do with all its neighbors. Uruguay and Paraguay are prime examples of countries treated with ongoing contempt by Argentina. Perhaps 50 or 100 years of stable and un-corrupt Government in Argentina may be the basis of future trust.
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Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders declared themselves Brits with that referendum, so Britain can enter the dialogue, no need to worry.
With your toy referendum you just confirmed there is nothing such as falklanders, just brits implants hence no one took it seriously.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cry all you like, Argentina. We don't care about you at all.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0And we don't care what you think.
You have NO RIGHTS here & there will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty.
Can't be any clearer about it than that.
But try to have a nice day anyway.
Pesky , unless you are of 100% native american blood , you too are an implant , and most likely a more recent one than the Islanders , so pick up your crayons and go back to Escuela Campora .
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”With your toy referendum you just confirmed there is nothing such as falklanders, just brits implants hence no one took it seriously.“”
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only if you didnt read what the referendum was about.
What they actual voted on was remaining a BOT, not some mythical vote to give up their rights to the Falklands.
Your attitude is symptomatic of both the reasons for any dispute and the proclivity for certain factions within Argentina to deliberately misrepresent historical fact.
We need look no further than this article, and I quote: “”“In our country, but also to some extent, in Latin America at large, Thatcher is often presented as responsible for the 1982 Anglo-Argentine War over the South Atlantic Islands ”“”
Thatcher did not invade, by force of arms, a peaceful island.
Argentina did: how anybody can blame Thatcher for the invasion is beyond me, it is patently idiotic to even say such a thing: yet this is consistent with an attitude perpetuated on these forums by “Argentines” who are happy to live in a delusion of blame always belonging to the other party.
Argentina launches a military Invasion of the Falklands, yet Thatcher is responsible for the conflict?
Why?
Because she defended the Islanders rights to freedom.
Until Argentina and Argentines come to understand the key difference, and change this seemingly national trait of wilful ignorance, or self-delusion, then they will have no future in the Falklands, under any name.
The future of the Islands resides with the people of the Islands, The UK now accepts this but Argentina does not.
The only thing that will change over the next few years is that the UN will also, inexorably, slide toward supporting the rights of the Islanders in a progressively more rigid stance.
The days of the C24 are already numbered and global public opinion is unlikely to side with Argentina once oil revenue is supporting the Islanders counter-propaganda to the likes of CFKs nationalism.
'This conflict mode allowed Argentina and the U.K. to downplay real negotiations or, for example, the idea of shared sovereignty by the two countries.'
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0WTF shared sovereignty a real solution! Don't think so...
Things have moved on, since 82, the FI is thriving and the people who live their will determine their future, no-one else.
In the future they may wish to become part of Uruguay or Independent or whatever, its their choice and is enshrined in the UN Charter.
The British Govt is not stuck in any time warp past at all - they have a simple basic position inline with UN Charter principles- let the people decide their future.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly it is the Kirschener Govt that is stuck in a mythical fantasy world.
Menem though was a realist - be friendly-cooperate on things that can get around the Sov issue and put it to one side - then let the future take care of itself long term.
BUT - even if a new Govt appears in Argentina one day with a more neighbourly approach - it will now take at least a full generation before people here in the Islands will ever have any trust or have confidence in the word of any Argentine govt again.
And by then we could well be an Independent Nation.
Get used to reality over there.
Being a liberal Malvinista as opposed to a hard-line Malvinista is neither here nor there. Where are the Latam academic articles calling for the FIs to be properly accepted into the SA family? This would at least be original thinking and scholarship.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As with many similar articles, this one starts with the premise, unproven and unsupported by evidence, that Argentina has rights in relation to the Falklands, and moves straight to discussion of how these supposed rights might be exercised or accomodated. A bit like trying to build the upper floor of a house without building the ground floor first- no matter how much you might want it to, it won't just hang in mid air by itself unsupported.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has made what it really sees as 'shared sovereignty' crystal clear before - nothing short of Alicia Castro's “Hand it over”.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The referendum a month ago made it even clearer that the legitimate residents do NOT want Argentinian rule/ mis-rule. They chose Britain with BOT status!
Self-determination, plus the Falkland Islanders were there first and have been for 180 years.
Fabián Bosoer may put his arguement forward rationally (which is very uncommon from the Argentine side) but as with all Argentines he completely misses the point. This whole 'dispute' is not between Britain and Argentina, which Fabián seems to think. The Islanders are critical and his article does not even touch upon their wishes or interests, which again is a typical Argentine arguement.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When discussing this 'dispute' we are talking about the lives of 3,000 people and their future generations. If it was over land and nothing else, I can see why people would discuss the dispute callously, but people are directly involved in this 'dispute'. With modern day understanding and attitudes, democracy is the way, and the islanders are the ones who will decide. And this will never change.
If these (article) gentlemen are saying that any progress for improvements for Argentinian/Falklander relations depends on a profound change in relationships; starting with an entirely new Argentina government, I wish they'd say so- but, soflt-softly catchy monkee ,I suppose.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God they're dragging them out! I shall be glad when the funeral is over and all these 'experts' disappear back into the woodwork.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, ouch ouch, Argentina was “snubbed” from the funeral.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't it the moronic Brits that pullulate these boards that said just 24 hours ago how “immature” Argentina was for not sending “condolences”, and how Britain would never act so childish? HAHAHAHAHA. Yet again, they are eating their words. This is a habit now... every time they say some idiocy, current events take place hours later to embarrass them to no end.
The British government has just admitted, it sends invitations to countries which they have “normalized” relations.
So Argentina as I said yesterday and again was proven right, had no obligation to send condolences as condolences are sent to “friendly” nations.
Argentina and the United Kingdom are enemies, at the government and personal level. And it will remain so forever.
@23
Apr 11th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do try to keep up
A friend of the Thatcher family said that Lady Thatcher’s children decided that “good manners” meant that the Argentine ambassador, Alicia Castro, should be invited to the funeral.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9987144/Margaret-Thatchers-funeral-Argentine-ambassador-invited.html
“We have no dispute with the people of Argentina. Our problem is with their president and her government. I see no problem with the Argentine people being represented at the funeral, as long as their representatives behave themselves properly”
Apr 11th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23, 24
Apr 11th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gotcha!
Her funeral is not private nor funded fully by the family. It is overwhelmingly paid by you tossers, now I see why. Dumb as sawdust.
Since that is the case, it is the government that has the final word. Since they have decided to respect the Thatchers' “wishes”, they have committed diplomatic no-go.
Sorry, just the way it is.
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Apr 11th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, my Argentine brother and neighbour.
It's an honour not to be invited. Pinochet-fascists are probably being invited en masse as we speak...
“”“”“”Wasn't it the moronic Brits that pullulate these boards that said just 24 hours ago how “immature” Argentina was for not sending “condolences”, and how Britain would never act so childish? HAHAHAHAHA. Yet again, they are eating their words. This is a habit now... every time they say some idiocy, current events take place hours later to embarrass them to no end.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British government has just admitted, it sends invitations to countries which they have “normalized” relations.
So Argentina as I said yesterday and again was proven right, had no obligation to send condolences as condolences are sent to “friendly” nations.
Argentina and the United Kingdom are enemies, at the government and personal level. And it will remain so forever.“”“”“
QF... monumental clusterf@k
so, so, so, so, so, very, very, very funny....
totally caught out, made a complete and utter idiot of himself.... his only way out is to ”pretend that he did it on purpose because..... nope, doesnt make a bit of sense at all.
arf arf arf
hilariously funny ;-0
Her funeral is not private nor funded fully by the family. It is overwhelmingly paid by you tossers, now I see why. Dumb as sawdust
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Maggie put enough away for her funeral plan
UK rebate
The rebate was negotiated by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_rebate
“The British Foreign Office should be able to distinguish the historical differences between international politics of the military dictatorship that started the war and diplomatic initiatives of Argentine democratic governments since the return of democracy for almost 30 years. Including sovereignty as an issue of critical open debate would be a starting point for further negotiations. ”
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent reasoning. It is a way to comply with UN resolutions (Res. 2065) and the Decolonization Committee.
The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civil and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.
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”We have no quarrel with the people of Argentina. Our problem is with the president and his government. I see no problem with the Argentine people is represented at the funeral, provided that their representatives behave properly
These totally wrong.
The dispute is with the Argentine people that the democratically elected our president and he is urging the UK, the return of the Malvinas Island to the people of Argentina.
Any democracy Argentina president would do the same, as did Alfonsin, Menem, De la Rua, Duhalde, Néstor and Cristina Kirchner.
The Argentine people do not want to be represented at the funeral. Demands the return of the Malvinas usurped by the UK under international law and UN resolutions (Res. 2065).
27 Stevie
Do not worry, my brother and neighbor Argentina.
It is an honor not to be invited. Pinochet-Fascists are probably being invited en masse right now ...
You are quite right. The Argentine people can not be complicit in a genocide and a war criminal.
1/10 must try harder.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0War is a dirty business, but do you know, you started it. We gave you warning to keep out of the exclusion zone, you are very fortunate that the USA asked us to desist in attacking the Argentinian mainland which we were fully entitled to do as you started the war. You did not even declare war , you invaded a peaceful island. You should be ashamed of yourself. Hypocrite
nice little C&P for Raul... feel free to trot it out next time Raul does his C&P:
Apr 11th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”The Argentine government maintains Resolution 2065 represents an endorsement by the UN General Assembly of their sovereignty claim. While there was support for their position during the debates in the Special Committee on Decolonisation and in the Fourth Committee of the General Assembly, there is nothing in the text of the Resolution that directly sustains such a conclusion. There is no explicit reference to operative paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514 (see above) nor to maintaining “territorial integrity” of a divided country. Resolution 2065 merely invited the Argentine and British governments to proceed with negotiations “with a view to finding a peaceful solution”. The strongest point made by the Argentine government is that reference to the “interests of the population” implies “leaving aside the principle of self-determination” (see A/66/696, p. 7), but in the light of diplomatic practices of constructive ambiguity this is insufficient to be regarded as endorsement of the Argentine claim to sovereignty.
The UN is willing to accept independence, integration with a neighbouring country, integration with the colonial metropolitan country or free association with another country, as outcomes from decolonisation. In each case, this has been done with the explicit approval of the people of the territory, through an election or a plebiscite. The only exception, since the establishment of the Special Committee on Decolonisation, has been the return of Hong Kong to Chinese rule. “”
Raul, chew on this lot..... http://www.flickr.com/groups/malvinas/discuss/72157633209292361/
Apr 11th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are totally deluded, see a doctor fast. And as for Stevie/ the troll twit. You are unmasked as one and the same.
None of you are invited to Maggies funeral although you would be welcome to follow the procession and clean up the Household Cavalrys trail of horseshit afterwards, a commodity with which all Rgs are well aquainted!
Raul - Which International Law please?
Apr 11th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shame. As I started to read I thought I was going to read an intelligent article. I realise my mistake when I read “diplomatic initiatives of Argentine democratic governments since the return of democracy almost 30 years ago.” I wasn't aware that argieland had ever returned to democracy. It's just a different bunch of crooks in charge. Ones without uniforms. When will such people understand that there will be NO “negotiations” unless the Islanders unaccountably change their minds. Sovereignty is not in the gift of the UK. The UK has a responsibility to oversee the proper development of the Islands in accordance with the wishes of the Islanders. That does NOT include handing over the Islands to a corrupt and criminal state such as argieland.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 You already have “them”. “They” are in Cordoba.
@10 Not worried. Just bored.
@11 What do you mean by “no-one”. Do you mean “argies”? They are definitely “nobodies”. Lots of other places seem to have taken it quite seriously. Is it because argies are thick?
@23 Don't be sillier than usual. Knowing how strapped for cash you are, we simply avoided putting you to the expense of sending a reply.
@26 What a shame that tossers like yourself can't read properly. Didn't you notice the bits where it said that the funeral would be part public and part private? I have no problem kicking in a couple of pence to show proper respect for the architect of argie humiliation.
@30 Dumb as usual. Incidentally, “genocide” and “war criminal” applies to every argie. Always will. Here's a bit of “international law” for you. Uti possidetis (Latin for “as you possess”) is a principle in international law that territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict. Confirmed by the International Court of Justice in the 1986 Case Burkina-Faso v Mali. There's “specificity” for you!
#23
Apr 11th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina and the United Kingdom are enemies, at the government and personal level. And it will remain so forever.”
So, if we abandoned the Falklands to Argentina, it would make absolutely no difference to relations between our countries.
Thank you for clarification on that point. In that case there is nothing to be gained from any talks between our governments.
That ensures that Argentina will NEVER GET A FOOT ON THE FALKLANDS.
Well, I don't think anyone in the UK will give a toss about that. If Axel, Raul, Steve agree then the subject is closed forever.
As to being my enemy, it is of no consequence to me.
You are in no position to harm me and mine, so it is just your usual adolescent rhetoric.
I also cannot imagine anyone from the UK thinking of you as an enemy.
You have neither power nor significance in the relations between our respective countries.
CFK has been very quiet,
Apr 11th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been very quiet
why?
all mouth and no trousers,
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Hahaha Nostrils off topic!
Apr 11th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“Raul - Which International Law please?”“””
Apr 11th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same one as he always uses:
Fairy land 101 - The Laws of Queen Mab for the Lost & Shameless
(Junior Edition - Illustrated)
It is quite clear that the Argentinian government does not want a settlement,why else would they tear up the fishing and oil agreements ,cut air links remove the chance for Falkland/Malvinas islanders to visit B.A use the hospitals and schools go shopping have holidays etc,in short allow the two communities to learn about each other as they did in past times.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The present stance does them no good at all unless you consider the usefulness of having a national obsession, something the people will discuss ad nausea ,classic distraction politics.
I come from Ireland,in the 1960,s it was drummed into us in school that Ulster was an integral part of Eire,only one problem the majority of people who actually lived there did not want it,we have now come to see that with the Good Friday agreement building trust,and cross border links is the only way forward,
I personally think that U.K.- Falklands link is not sustainable in the long term but that does not mean it will end anytime soon,U.K. distraction politics will see to that!
So Argentina start building bridges.
P.S.
What would a bridge cost
P.S.
Only joking!
Anything is sustainableif you have politicle will.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we now have 3 airfields between the uk and the falklands
so anything is poss,
in some ways, it has to be..
@30
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas usurped by the UK under international law”
What was the international law relevent to the Falkland Islands in 1833?
Care to specify this Raul or are you making this up (a popular Argentina pastime to divert history from the truth)?
Raul - I am still waiting - and so is Pete Blog 43 now.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly bunts
Apr 12th, 2013 - 03:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There are global and national histories of the war in the South Atlantic but the all-or-nothing current attempts on both sides at accomplishing a total national solution to the conflict are rooted in mythical considerations of the histories of both nations.”
We have “all” and Argentina has always had the “nothing” part of the equation.
First, they tried to take “all” for themselves in 1982. We know how that ended.
Now, they want 'some', a compromise.
Sorry, children. 'Wanting' something belonging to someone else, does not mean you can have it.
Doesn't work for us.
All these 'academic' articles have a remarkable similarity:
“Let's 'compromise' - give us some of what is yours, the Islands, the Oil wealth, and we'll move on”.
A bit like a Highwayman, who wants to rob you and allow you to continue on your journey, after he has run off into the bush with the loot.
Dumkopfs!!!
PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT
Apr 12th, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Following the death of world class politician St. Margaret of Finchley I have decided to rename Argentina. From today its new name in english is Thatchertina. Please use the correct new name from now on in your postings.
@ 30 Raul who wrote this nonsense:
Apr 12th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”... the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civil and military) and not allow its return ...”
If the British expelled the civilian settlers in January 1833, how come Rivero and his gang, and Don Ventura Pasos whom they murdered, were still on the islands in August 1833?
What is your answer, Raul?
@ 47 St.John,
Apr 12th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul has no answer. He/she/it merely repeats what was drilled into him/her/it at school.
He(think its a he?)can't think for himself & just repeats his mantra over & over.
He is probably amazed that we don't see things his way.
What an oxygen thief.
His type is the main reason that we want nothing to do with Argentina.
And we don't. That also irks them.
l'm sure they can't even begin to imagine that someone could reject their “marvelous” country.
@ 48 lsolde
Apr 12th, 2013 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More or less rethoric on my behalf, except it exposes the person who never answers relevant questions like the above and e.g. “What can Argentina offer, which is in the interest of the Falkland Islanders?”
Thomas Helsby, who was present on the islands in August 1833, recorded that the settlement at Port Louis, Berkley Sound, East Falkland Island, consisted of the following persons bearing Spanish names:
Don Ventura Pasos
Juan Simon
Faustin Martinez
Santiago Lopez
Pascual Diego
Manuel Coronel
Antonio Rivero
Jose Maria Lune
Juan Brasido
Antonina Roxa
Gregoria Madrid
Carmelita and her two children
Source: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thomas_Helsby%27s_Account_of_the_Port_Louis_Murders/Residents_of_Port_Louis_as_of_26_August_1833
BTW I prefer Wodehouse's expression “he is taking up space that would be better used for other purposes” to “oxygen thief” :)
The Argentine government today confirmed that Maximo Kirchner will represent his mother at Margaret Thatcher's funeral .
Apr 13th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He only consented to travel when it was agreed that his ample supplies of “ recreational chemicals ” could enter the country in a diplomatic bag .
The Dorchester agreed to take him so long as his room was paid for in cash on arrival .
Maximo , who is engaged to the well known British model Jordan says he is looking forward to the trip and doing some shopping . It is thought he will be buying Charlton Athletic Football Club .
Asked if he would be raising the subject of the Malvinas on his visit , he said “ Only if Canal 7 cameras are in the vicinity ”
“The only exception, since the establishment of the Special Committee on Decolonisation, has been the return of Hong Kong to Chinese rule.”
Apr 14th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because China got Hong Kong and Macau removed from the UN's list of non-self-governing territories on the grounds that they were part of its national territory occupied by Britain and Portugal. As its Ambassador to the UN said in 1972:
'The questions of Hong Kong and Macau belong to the category of questions resulting from the series of unequal treaties which the imperialists imposed on China. Hong Kong and Macau are part of Chinese territory occupied by the British and Portuguese authorities. The settlement of the questions of Hong Kong and Macau is entirely within China's sovereign right and do not at all fall under the ordinary category of colonial territories. Consequently they should not be included in the list of colonial territories covered by the declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries and people. With regard to the questions of Hong Kong and Macau, the Chinese government has consistently held that they should be settled in an appropriate way when conditions are ripe.'
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BZQcw-SJhI8C&pg=PA45&lpg=PA45&dq=huang+hua+hong+kong+un&source=bl&ots=8lHtQBP0ao&sig=t0Ot5N9K6F73QVtVdZCkLJDORcQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Oh1rUeXzEomx0QX3noCoCg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=huang%20hua%20hong%20kong%20un&f=false
So how come Argentina hasn't managed to do the same?
Raul, what is your answer to ## 48 & 49?
Apr 15th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still fabulating?
Race of Zombies discovered in S America......
Apr 15th, 2013 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0A 37 million strong race of zombies has been discovered in Argentina .
The zombies wander about chanting “ Malvinas , Malvinas ” .
The older ones often chant “ Peron , Evita ” for hours , whilst the younger ones tend to say “ Nestor , Cristina , Cristina , plan social , plan social ”
Vistors to Argentina are told the zombies are normally quite harmless , the best way to get rid of them is to give them some banners , a big base drum , a glass of wine a barbeque , and a hand out of cash, though the younger ones also like laptops which they play with for hours .
Every few months, normally during the full moon , the zombies turn nasty and set trains on fire , loot stores and supermarkets and kill people , mostly Chinese and Korean shopkeepers .
Normal people , who the zombies call “golpistas” go on the streets banging pots and pans to try to frighten them away but this sometime inflames them even more .
The best way to get these zombies to go away is to offer them a job .
Asked if he was going to make a film about Zombies , Federico Urioste immediately turned into one , and was seen chanting “ Belgrano , Belgrano ” as he wandered off into the twighlight .
What utter rubbish!
Apr 15th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An unsophisticated article which purely relies on the foundation of Argentine democracy which hasn't even existed as long as a decent home mortgage!
Military aggression is not a side issue, but is THE issue. Any nation that intends to railroad a British territory with military intentions better think again. 30 years down the road is not long enough to forget this act of aggression against our people.
Argentina is aggressive in many ways to this day and have proved themselves to be insincere.
The sooner Argentina gets on with concluding that the Falkland Islands are British and will remain so, the better it will be for their mental health!
Britain owes Argentina nothing, and we will give them nothing in abundance.
@30
Apr 15th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civil and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.“
I hate to copy you Malvanista's and use C & P but using @49 St John...........
” Thomas Helsby, who was present on the islands in August 1833, recorded that the settlement at Port Louis, Berkley Sound, East Falkland Island, consisted of the following persons bearing Spanish names:
Don Ventura Pasos
Juan Simon
Faustin Martinez
Santiago Lopez
Pascual Diego
Manuel Coronel
Antonio Rivero
Jose Maria Lune
Juan Brasido
Antonina Roxa
Gregoria Madrid
Carmelita and her two children
Source: en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thomas_Helsby%27s_Account_of_the_Port_Louis_Murders/Residents_of_Port_Louis_as_of_26_August_1833”
OK Raul,was
Don Ventura Pasos an English implant?
Juan Simon an English implant?
Faustin Martinez an English implant?
Santiago Lopez an English implant?
Pascual Diego an English implant?
Manuel Coronel an English implant?
Antonio Rivero an English implant?
Jose Maria Lune an English implant?
Juan Brasido an English implant?
Antonina Roxa an English implant?
Gregoria Madrid an English implant?
Carmelita and her two children English implants?
An extra question for you when your Argie masters get the power switched on in flooded BA.
Where did Antonia Roxa and Carmelita (Penny) die?
I'll give you a slight clue. If you go to Stanley (that's the capital of the Falkland Islands chey), you will find these names in the records there as that's where they died as the evil English allowed them to stay in the Falkland Islands after January 1833.
Your ' specificity' isn't very specific at all is it?
You need to use an ACCURATE term.
Care to disprove this?
Go ahead-we're waiting.
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