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Falkland Islands’ history and referendum message impact in Honduras and Guatemala
The way the Falkland Islands have developed into a self governing and self financing country and the recent referendum with its strong message, attracted genuine attention of another two countries visited by a Falklands’ delegation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt seems that not all Canadian are morons ....
Apr 13th, 2013 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“However, when it is an Afro-Caribbean population in the Turks and Caicos that makes a demand, they are ignored. It is the British colonial way.”
“... and even those closer to home in the Channel Islands and Isle of Man, who would opt for independence if not for the heavy jackboot of British colonial rule…”
I never knew that the Isle of Man .. very good!
Does not anyone want to the English?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/self-determination-for-falklands-but-nowhere-else-in-the-remaining-british-empire/5327478
The article you cite is full of errors and non facts. The situation in the Turks and Caicos was addressed perfectly properly due to the innate corruption that prevails in that territory.
Apr 13th, 2013 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure the kelpers know that the British stole Belize from Guatemala right?
Apr 13th, 2013 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guatemalans know it well.
Guatemalans know it well
Apr 13th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0In June 2008, Belizean Prime Minister Dean Barrow said resolving the dispute is his biggest goal. He proposed referenda for the citizens of Belize and Guatemala, asking whether they support referring the issue to the International Court of Justice.[6] An official special agreement on submitting the issue to the ICJ was signed on 8 December 2008, with a referendum to be held on the issue simultaneously in Belize and Guatemala[7] on 6 October 2013.
Care to try, or scared of losing ?
The Guatamalans are more intelligent than your people back in Argentina. They knew what you apparently did not know, armed aggression is not the cleverest way to sort your problems out with the British!
Apr 13th, 2013 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@reality check
Apr 13th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They knew what you apparently did not know, armed aggression is not the cleverest way to sort your problems out with the British!”
Why not had worked 3 times before quite well, it just a matter of time...
3 invasions+ 2 world cups
Still scores favours largely the Argies.
Sorry go to cry to the church.
Oh! sorry I forgot that is run by the argies too now.
Netherlands perhaps?
Bloody you are still not lucky...
@1 The author of that piece is a conspiracy theorist who thinks the world is ruled by lizards. See my comment here -
Apr 13th, 2013 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/03/17/self-determination-for-falklands-but-nowhere-else-in-the-remaining-british-empire.html
The inaccuracies in this article are frankly hilarious.
It has never been the intention of the UK government to incorporate the overseas territories into the UK, just as France did with its remaining colonies, turning them into overseas departments, subject to the same laws and taxes as France itself.
While the situation in the Turks and Caicos is regrettable, it is highly unlikely that the imposition of direct rule is a step towards integration with the UK. As it happens, the UK agreed to the Turks and Caicos having independence as early as 1982.
How does the author know that the UK would stop the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man from seeking independence from the 'heavy jackboot of British colonial rule'? Most talk of independence there originates from perceived threats to offshore finance.
The treatment of the Chagos Islands was, and is, reprehensible, but constantly going on about their fate in discussions about the Falklands does not help anybody, least of all them, and is just lazy journalism.
Stick to conspiracy theories about lizards ruling the world, Mr Madsen...
As you are using the football analogy, here's one for you, “you are only as good as your last match.”
Apr 13th, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 his comment on “the heavy jackboot of British colonial rule” made me giggle.
Apr 13th, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0A few points
1) The Channel Islands (and also the IoM) are Crown Dependencies not BOTs. In the case of the Channel Islands they are the last part of Normandy to swear allegiance to the Crown (not the UK government) and this is their choice - there are a few voices for independence (usually when the UK closes some tax loophole in its own territory which involves the CI as an intermediary and someone gets pissed off as a result) and I guess there must be a handful of people who thing integration with France is a good idea.
2) Britain liberated the Channel Islands (“our dear Channel Islands” as Churchill put it) from an increasingly nasty German occupation - it started off OK at first but became increasingly inhumane and many War Crimes were committed on CI soil - particularly in Alderney where the Nazis established a concentration camp. Actually the CI occupation has many parallels with The Falklands. Both Patricio Dowling and the German command were pretty unpleasant so the “jackboot of the British Empire” comment is frankly comical.
I'm sure that if the Turks and Caicos sort out their corruption issues then they will be on the road to independence if they want it. Direct rule had to be re-imposed for a short period (a *temporary* measure under “good governance” grounds) but I believe the T&C government is back in charge
My views on Diego Garcia are well known - I'm not going to repeat them here in any depth - it was a shabby deal cooked up by that duplicitous bastard Wilson in order to appease the Americans.
“”“I am sure the kelpers know that the British stole Belize from Guatemala right?”“”
Apr 13th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know about that, but the patagonians certainly knew the Argentines, well the implanted illegal european descended squatters, stole Patagonia and wiped most of the indigenous population out.
I also know that Argentina still thinks it had Uruguay “stolen” from it, and lands in practically every one of its neighbouring countries also...
odd you never mention this.
Even odder, considering he chooses to reside in the UK and avails
Apr 13th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0himself of all the entitlements and freedoms that goes with it!
Including the freedom of speech, ironically.
@1,3 Strange how you don't read or comprehend real history, isn't it?
Apr 13th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Spanish conquistadors explored the land and declared it a Spanish colony but chose not to settle because of the lack of resources such as gold and the strong defence of the Yucatán by the Maya. Later English and Scottish settlers and pirates known as the Baymen entered the area in the 17th and 18th century respectively and established a logwood trade colony in what would become the Belize District. Baymen first settled on the coast of Belize in 1638, seeking a sheltered region from which they could attack Spanish ships. The settlers turned to cutting logwood during the 18th century. The wood yielded a fixing agent for clothing dyes that was vital to the European woollen industry. The Spanish granted the British settlers the right to occupy the area and cut logwood in exchange for an end to piracy.” No sign of any theft, is there? Then, in 1798, there was an attempted invasion from what would become Mexico, attempting to capture Belize for Spain. Fought off by the local woodcutters. So, while you lot were fighting off Spanish rule, it wasn't OK for those in Belize to do the same? Aaah, but I see the basis of Guatemala's claim. The same papal bull and Treaty of Tordesillas that argieland tries to use to claim the Falkland Islands. Shame that, as has been pointed out many times, the rest of the world didn't recognise the papal bull or the treaty even at the time. And now? The majority of Belizeans accuse Guatemala of attempted colonialism. There will be a simultaneous referendum in Belize and Guatemala on 6 October 2013 on whether to refer the “dispute” to the ICJ. Will Guatemala dare go? If it does, why doesn't argieland dare? If it doesn't, it will just prove that latinos don't have the guts to put their ludicrous “claims” before a proper court.
Marcos never changes - makes a stupid inane remark that he knows is utter tripe - and then runs away and never defends - so Argentine!
Apr 13th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos & Josey - are you related to David Icke? Your world view seems just about the same....
Apr 13th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0marcos,
Apr 13th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please-
new batteries needed..lol.
The islanders have to put the best face on a poor show.
Apr 13th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s funny how little some people know about Britain, how it was and how it is, are two very different things. Britain, the English, and the UK whatever incorrect way people like to groups us all together is no matter. The UK as a whole and as a people we all stand together this includes overseas territories, also the Turks and Ciaos islands despite what people think also had an implanted population prior to any removal of the “natives” if you can call them that. (thats not to say it was correct)
Apr 13th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It’s all by-the-by the truth is without Britain’s “colonial ways” the world would actually be a much worse place to live. Anyone who knows anything about British history and colonial times “for all nations” Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, German, Italy etc etc all colonial powers at one time, it just so happens Britain where much better at it... why well because unlike Spain; Britain never sought to wipe out entire populations like they did, indeed the Brits worked with many of the colonies at the time to create trade... see Spain and Argentina, Brazil etc are still crappy at that part, trade is vital to any power but the 3 nations above are still quite frankly “S**tholes” people are still dying in these nations from lack of food and medical care, no housing and kidnapping is totally normal so I say to your lots “Governments” sort your own sh*t out before criticising others.
Everyone hates the Brits it seems, who gives a toss :)
@16 What a pity CFK can't do the same!
Apr 14th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read the book 'Pheonix Squadron'. Its f**king mint.
Apr 14th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its about how the R.N. (HMS Ark Royal, and her fast air) stopped Guatamala invading Belize in the 70's.
Fantastic story.
“MLA Elsby is currently in Mexico City where he will wrap his Latin American tour before returning to the Falklands this weekend”
Apr 14th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At last, the worm has turned.
Argentina is going to regret their increased belligerence over the past three or so years-now the truth about the Islands and it's history is emerging.
Not good for Argentina. Now the other side of the story is being revealed.
@7
Please try to look up your facts.
“the Isle of Man from seeking independence”
The Isle Of Man is NOT part of the UK.
The Queen is the Lord of Mann-NOT the queen of the Isle of Man.
The Isle of Man has it's OWN parliament, the Tynwald which passes it's OWN laws in English and MANX.
Please try and keep up.
Who knows what the future will bring,
Apr 14th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The way we live eat sleep work ect, could change in a matter of hours overnight,
And very true that is,
But for me,
The longer we remain in the loony European nutters bin,
The bigger the danger to all overseas territory,
Sorry,
but I just don’t trust politicians, and even less so, European politicians that have no interest in British territory customs or way of life.
mm
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Guatemala may be persuaded to adopt the ICJ approach, but much more likely to succeed for them is the back-stop 'post-colonial' strategy recorded as coming from their president.
Apr 14th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He stated that there was 'more than one way to win a country' (Belize), and the route he alluded to was to migrate en masse to the Belizean highlands, citing refugee-status, and challenging Belize authorities to prove them wrong.
The rapidly changing population balance between historic Belizean and recently arrived Guatemalans will, sometime soon, give a voting majority to the population of Guatemalan origin.
This will, soon thereafter, pack the government with Guatemalan 'placemen', vote for the removal of the British garrison and their jungle training facility, and democratically vote Belize out of existence as an independent nation.
We have seen this happen elsewhere in the world, and it is very hard to arrest and reverse the process without a major sea-change in regional affairs, eg. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia and the purposeful demographic migrations of the 'Baltic Russians',
and, of course, across the whole of the colonial Americas.
@22 The Belize authorities should take a lesson from the Falkland Islanders.
Apr 14th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ It's something we keep an eye on constantly. Picture a big shower mixer tap. You can let a bit of hot in, a bit of cold in, a bit of both or just shut it off. Well our immigration control works like that and we have our hand firmly on the tap handle.”
Hello Guatemala and Honduras we are coming from FI!
Apr 15th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0From where sir?
From FI idiotic hispanic
Are you impacted?
Errr really no why?...
Kick these hispanics is the @ss quickly.
Are you Impacted now?
F@king bastards of course yes...
Come on boys call MP and make a statement saying...
“Falkland Islands’ history and referendum message impact in Honduras and Guatemala”
We have to bring good messages to the idiots in Fantasy Islands.
Ah Danny you crack me up.
Apr 15th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@24
Apr 15th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Barry, we hear from RG land that you are implanted?
Barry: No I am an immigrant to the Falklands and have lived there long enough to become a citizen. But if I am implanted so is Timmidman's father and CFK's grandfather.
G & H: But our RG mates tell us you are all implanted from England?
Barry: No, most islanders were born in the Falklands, and some families forebears go back to the 1850s and earlier.
G & H; Ahh that's before a lot of the families emigrated to Argentina from Europe.
Barry: Yes, and if we are implants that means the RG's are mostly European implants, by their own definition of us.
G&H; But the English threw the Argentines off in 1833?
Barry: Impossible, Argentina wasn't formed till 1853.
G & H: Well whatever they were called, they got kicked off?
Barry: Well the UP forces outnumbered the British forces, but they left when they were invited to leave by letter.
G & H: No guns?
Barry: No they were politely requested to leave. Pinedo wanted to resist but as 80% of his crew were British sailors they refused to fight. Cpt. Onslow gave the civilian settlers the chance to stay and even persuaded the gauchos to stay by paying them in Silver.
G & H: Even Rivero?
Barry: Yes, even Rivero as he was a settler, and 10 other settlers came from what is now Argentina 4 from what is now Uruguay.
G & H: No Brits?
Barry: Yes, 2 out of 22 settlers.
G & H So the British kicked off an UP force that was mostly made up of....Brits?
Barry: Yes
G & H; And they kept on mostly South American settlers.
Barry: Yes. You can read this in historical records kept in BA, including Pinedo's report. And by the way, please read the UN Charter article one, which says everyone is entitled to self-determination, and nowhere does it state that we are not allowed it.
G & H: We'll phone CFK
Beeep beeep.
G &H: Christina we have a Falkland Islander here talking about 1833..
CFK: THEY DO NOT EXIST!
G & H: But one is here now?
CFK Impossible
(Phone slams)
Haha, thanks for cheering up a dreary morning Pete, very good.
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