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Embraer-Augusta Westland project to build helicopters in Brazil falls through
Brazilian plane maker Embraer SA said on Friday that it ended talks with AgustaWestland, a subsidiary of Italy's Finmeccanica, without reaching an agreement to form a joint venture. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOMG, let's hate Brazil because it is in South America!
Apr 20th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Brazilian. Why would anyone hate Brazil, some of my best friends are brazilian. Critizing a country's government is different too hating a country. I can't say i like what is happening the the Amazonian tribes, but i don't hate Brazilians for it. calling out corruption isn't bad, your country is rapidly industrializing, like the UK in the 19th century & we had pretty bad corruption back then.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0+ I've resently read a book about Brazilian independence, I didn't know British sailors had such a important role :) our navy's have a long history of friendship.
It was just a little provocation, being that so many people here go on hateful rants against Brazil and other South American countries for no apparent reason. I was wondering what they would say about this. Unfortunately such a thing as imperialist hubris still exists. You're wrong about comparing Brazil to the UK in the 19th century, two completely different historical situations. But yes, Brazil has a significant industry is becoming more industrialized. Embraer is perhaps the most evident example of this, having become the world's 4th largest civil aviation manufacturer.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Probably a matter of military technology. You see, the British and Italians have very good relations with the USA. So much that they can build helicopters such as the Apache attack helicopter under licence. You just have to ask yourself whether the USA would be willing to see its technology go to Brazil, who has such dubious “friends” as argieland, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru or Uruguay, to whom it could be “traded”. See, if you want to be treated as something other than an untrustworthy, third-world country, you have to choose your “friends” better. Just one example. Brazil kowtows to argieland and mouths anti-British and Falkland Islands rhetoric. Brazil goes to the C24 and supports argieland. Brazil puts “latino” solidarity ahead of law and justice. Brazil also puts mercosur solidarity ahead of democracy and freedom. Therefore, Brazil is untrustworthy. Embraer should stick with being the world's 4th largest civil aviation manufacturer. It has only managed to get one licence-built foreign aircraft. The Xavante. A trainer. Nobody minded that too much. It was pretty crap. But Embraer can't expect to get access to cutting-edge military aviation technology until the developing nations believe that Embraer and Brazil can be trusted. Brazil is many years from that.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nossa educação está melhorando. Vão sentir saudades de mim!
Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good comments, Conq., but AgustaWestland will not sell directly to South America in these days of joint projects with host nations.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Technology transfer IS the game in town. If AgustaWestland wish to break into the Continent, this is the only way to go ... with the ONLY partner possible.
Embraer is on the receiving end of similar treatment in the States.
These two are probably linked and there is MUCH US big-industrial politics being played out with what they think is a weak foreign player.
They should remember that Brasil can reach markets that the US cannot, in South America AND in Africa.
Brasil is Brasil........Only......One superpower state no surrender......And our market is great, very great. The North Planet fight to North. We live in South. I fight against indians and hispanics. And we go to pacific. If no, WAR!
Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0according to the experts like bloomberg, Augusta is missing out and Embraer is the #3 in aviation in the world behind Boeing and Airbus.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Transfer of technology is like shooting yourself in the foot.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can initially make money out of the sale but you have transferred knowledge to a competitor who then will cut you out of the business. You have paid for all the research and development which they would have spent years trying to access.
They then produce and market a model based on your research and sell it cheaper in the same market. Apart from an initial cash boost, what is the advantage to you ? Look at the Chinese.
They bought aircraft from the Soviets, reverse engineered them and saved themselves Billions.
# 4 - Embraer is still on a steady rise as a civil airplane manufacturer, doing way better than initially expected in the airline market. As far as military aviation goes, Embraer has also done extremely well with the Tucano and Super Tucano, which even the USA has just bought 20 to use in Afghanistan. Brazil is clearly investing in building a stronger defense industry and modernizing it's armed forces, and obviously, it has conditioned it's purchases to the transfer of technology so it can make it's defense industry stronger. The KC-390 is eagerly awaited by many nations, and the first models will be sold next year. Brazil has bought 4 Scorpene submarines from France with the transfer of the techonoly to make a hull for a nuclear submarine, which Brazil will build to be operational in the next decade. The nuclear submarine, of which more are to be built, will radically alter the balance of military power in the south atlantic. This has been aknowledge by UK intelligence services. This year the long novela of the FX-2 will come to an end, with Brazil announcing the winner between the Gripen, the Rafale and the F/A-18. This purchase is conditioned to the transfer of techonology, of which Embraer will build the next generation of Brazilian fighters, looking mainly to export to other nations. Embraer is clearly a success, but don't let that get you down bro, Brazil is a peaceful nation and isn't going to go on imperialist wars like the US and the UK.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huge bribes for sales
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not a great way to grow
Gonna backfire methinks
Wow yankeeboy, you are more naive than thought. I guess Embraer must be bribing the US, I didn't realize Brazil was so strong now to bribe the world's biggest economy. Oh well, I guess being of the biggest creditors to the US has it's preks ;)
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the bribery scandal just breaking who knows. I bet the USA will open an investigations.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give it a little time
If you think Brazil has any influence in the USA you have never been here
Brazilians are like monkeys right out of the jungle, hooting and hollering at nice NYC restaurants and hotels. I hope hope hope they never get the visa waiver. It would be simply awful.
Sure Yankeeboy, Embraer is bribing the US and a whole bunch of major airlines around the world to buy it's planes. Next they will announce that new Embraer UFO which will take Dubya to Mercury! Cmon, are you serious?
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And for your information, I have been to the US and the US is dying for me Brazilians to visit and flood the US with tourist money. That is why the US considering cancelling the tourist visa requirement for Brazilians. Brazilians are like monkeys out of the jungle? Wow, you're so mature yankeeboy. Go eat some KFC and Taco Bell...
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the visa waiver.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone who has ever seen Brazilians out of their natural habitat knows they aren't meant to be around civilized people.
Wow what an argument yankeeboy. You got me there! Those like you who don't have arguments reduce themselves to blurting out idiotic offenses. You're ridiculous, a caricature of the ignorant parcel of the US population. Luckily for the US, there still is a large part of their population which have actually chosen to use a larger precentage of their brains. As far as a visa waiver, I don't really care. Wouldn't want to visit the US and be shot at a movie theater or blown up at a marathon. It is in the interest of the US a lot more than Brazil to cancel visa requirements. Brazilian tourists spend more per capita than any other nationality, this is a fact. If the US doesn't want Brazilian tourists, don't worry, there's a lot of nations that are dying to have more Brazilians visit and boost their economies. Europe is a lot more interesting to visit than the US anyways. The US is mainly a shopping destination, nothing much to see there besides Disney and high unemployment.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds fine to me, NYC is lousy with them and I wish they'd all go home. Seems like every bartender and waiter in the city is from Brazil too.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why if everything is going so well at home.
hahaha
NYC is lousy with or without Brazilians. Not that I want to be a troll, but honestly, I've never seen so many cockroaches in any other city in the world, and I happen to travel a lot. Why are immigrants working as waiters? Maybe because people in the US are too fat to be able to walk and carry a tray at the same time. How come all those unemployed US citizens on welfare don't go get a job? Not too many Brazilians moving to the US anymore my friend, if you've ever heard of a thing called “statistics”, that's sta-tis-tics, go check it out. There's a website called “google”, maybe you've heard of it, there's a little box where you can search some words and magically you find millions of websites with information. In fact, Brazil as of late is on the recieving end of world immigration, be it from the failed EU economies, from Africa, from Bolivia, or from Haiti. Go eat some onion rings at Burger King yankeeboy, where you have a whole bunch of US citizens flipping burgers for a BRAZILIAN OWNED company.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah a little googling tells me there are 800,000-1.4MM filthy Brazilians living in my country illegally.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can go home anytime but there must be a reason they move here
I'm pretty sure all those cockroaches you saw were Brazilians
18. Brazilian. Well i was planning to have a adult conversation with you about the brazilian arms industry but Conq & Yankie seem to have mess it up :p
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like the Embraer Super tucano cool little CAS aircraft! its selling well and if it wasn't for Beechcraft intransigences the Afghan airforce would have some combat air support by now. (and of course the RAF brought the original version).
I think yankeeboy's just moody cause Boeing arn't number one anymore!
Yes, there are 800,000 + and they all gang banged your filthy mom. Do you even have the capacity of reading comprehension? There is very little immigration to the US from Brazil anymore. On the contrary, many Brazilians are coming back to Brazil, as well as Europeans immigrating here to find jobs. Unless you're Native American, you're a hypocrite for talking bad about immigrants. The USA was built by immigrants. And all those cockroaches I saw were NYC homemade roaches, but you've got your head so far up your ass that you can't even see them crawling over your filthy fast food.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is very little immigration to the US from Brazil anymore.
Apr 23rd, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have a link for that statement?
I doubt it
There are so many Brazilian Maids and Bartenders in NYC that I find it hard to believe any have gone home.
I wish they would tho
My family has been in USA for 378 yrs I am as native as you can get. I don't mind legal immigrants, we need them but I hate illegal immigrants. They should be jailed until thier family back home pays to get them out and the plane ride home. I like law and order it is one of the reasons we are a successful nation.
# 23 - Can you show a link that shows that Brazilian immigration to Brazil is still significant? Doubt it. The fact that the US is considering ending visa requirements for Brazilians shows this very well. If immigration was still a problem the US wouldn't even consider this. Keep on wishing that Brazilians will leave or bla bla, no one's going to do anything because of your wishful thinking. Immigration having greatly decreased doesn't mean that people who went there in the past are going to come back, although many have because there aren't that many jobs in the US anymore. You family has been in the US for 378 years? Tell me about how they legally migrated and took land that belonged to the natives. And if it really makes you happy to know, Obama will probably legalize all those Brazilians that you hate so much :)
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