Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro named a new acting head of its US diplomatic mission in Washington and sent an offer of dialogue after attacking the United States for interference in a row over his election. Read full article
Yeah, brutal and vulgar is just the beginning of a long list of useful words to describe US behavior toward Latin America.
Why does it appear that many who comment on this site have never studied history? Please, folks, spend a little time widening your understanding of the behaviors of the empires that ruled the various parts of Latin America, and read The Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano. It will help raise the level of the dialogue here.
Vargas Llosa does not speak with a forked tongue unlike so many other
Latin American celebrities. He was not awarded the Nobel Prize for waffling.
2 rylang23 (#) Of course you have a valid point. Just think about Operation Condor, the overthrow of the Allende government. Who was behind the military takeover in Argentina by the junta in 1976?
Think about the atrocities committed by the Latin Americans on their own people.
Of course the arrival of the white man ( Los Conquistadores) in the New World brought death and disaster in the form of the Spanish Inquisition and venereal disease. This is one reason some of the indigenous people refused to join the the 500th anniversary celebrations of the arrival of Columbus in the New World.
A lot of white people did not celebrate the 500th anniversary as well. However, with regard to violense, you need to read more of the archaeological research on the indigenous people of the America's. They had pretty violent societies....unless that's white man's lies also.
# 2 - Don't throw pearls to pigs. Most people here have no knowledge of history at all, they just hate Latin America and it's people and feel somewhat important in their little heads talking bad about it.
insecurity is a terrible illness. The world does not hate you, they hate your practices of borrowing our money then defaulting. The civilized world calls that....theft.
The #1 perception, true or otherwise is that SA countries fuel the demand for drugs. Not all Latam countries do but the ones that do and/or did, as Colombia had monopolies on drug smuggling.
#2 would be that they are countries on constant politicial flux with socialist and rich dictators and lastly, extremely poor countries.
Last week the USA was brutal and vulgar now , suddenly , he wants dialogue ! Has he suddenly realized that in two or three years the USA will no longer need his petrol ? All this due to fracking . Be careful petrol bullies the USA is about to become self sufficient in petrol .
# 8 - As far as borrowing money from other countries, Brazil is the 4th largest creditor of the USA. It's not Brazil that is borrowing money, Brazil is lending money, specially through BNDES. I'm not saying that the world hates Latin America, on the contrary, Brazil is liked a lot more around the world than the US and UK, seen as imperialist nations. What I am saying is that YOU hate Latin America and it's people. Your comments clearly show that.
# 9 - Sounds like you're not in North America, because Latin America and Immigration are on the front pages of the newspapers every day.
# 10 - Latin America produces drugs which are sold mainly in North America and Europe. Colombia never had a monopoly on drug smuggling, while it is the world's largest producer of cocaine, Peru and Bolivia have always been producers. Besides that, Colombia and Paraguay also produce marijuana. Brazil and Argentina, for example, are not significant producers of drugs. The world's largest producer of marijuana, to give another example, is Canada, and the whole meth epidemic in the US is poduced locally. And to your second comment, what socialist dictators have there ever been in South America? Seems like you're confusing the militaries with socialists.
# 11 - Last week the USA brutal and vulgar, this week it is, and it will also be next week and the one after. Obviously he wants dialogue, so the US stops trying to subvert his government, but that's not really going to happen anytime soon. As far as the whole issue with fracking and the US not needing Venezuelan oil anymore, do you seriously think that there aren't a long list of countries lined up to buy Venezuelan oil? Petroleum is an ever dimishing vital resource, this is why countres have recently fought wars over it. China would be more than happy to buy all the petroleum in Venezuela.
South America - fantastic natural wonders, rain forest, Amazon, Galapogas, Machu Picture.
Some places dangerous, Colombia, Venezuela, parts of Ecuador
Brazil - fast developing country, nice people, advancing technically, fun place.
Argentina, Andes, Malbec, Blueberries, basket case population who rave about the Falklands all the time.
That's the general opinion of SA in the UK, nothing more than that...
@13 Faz
1. GALAPAGOS & MACHU PICCHU
2. Ecuador? Dangerous? Never in your life. If you had said Honduras, El Salvador and, especially, Mexico you might have been nearer the truth.
3. Brazil, yes and no! The socioeconomic problems of Brasil are enormous and the treatment of its indigenous peoples leaves a lot to be desired.
4. Argentina - intelligent middle class, good rugby players, golfers and Lionel Messi. They don't rave about the Falklands, they rave about Las Malvinas.
That's the general opinion of SA in the UK, nothing more than that.. WRONG!
# 13 - I can see how that is the perceptions of most British people. The one's who most often post on this website, however, are obssessed with bashing South America, specially Argentina. It most certainly is on THEIR radar.
12 Brazilian . Sorry to disappoint you but the petrol shipped to USA is very high in sulphur content and thus not very popular . Accepted by the USA because it is refined by a Venezuelan company based in America .
You lot invade sovereign nations under the lies of WMD's and without the approval of UN.
You lot install puppets at democratic elected governors and remove them at will, all according to your (lots) own interests.
Then you (lot) get the best contracts on rebuilding the country you (lot) just bombed to pieces, and on the natural resources, especially oil.
That is stealing.
In everybodys eyes except your (lots).
I will agree that the USA was launched into war under false pretenses, but I hardly call the price we paid as stealing But when you were last in Iraq....what year would that be? Did you every talk to the people in the street of there opinion, or did you goggle it?
If you friends did not attck the Twin Towers and Pentagon, Iraq would still be ruled by Hussein. Perhaps you and yur pals should have debated mo a bit more before attacking them........how long did you and your buddies discuss this option?
18/20 Stevie . We rob natural resources ? Do you know that the British built the railways , waterworks , gas plants etc in Buenos Aires. . As far as I remember we left them there ! As for Iraq I feel safer with Hussein under the earth .
Ask your government from 1982 invasion of the Falklands, or your allies about 9/11 into the USA. Only when you invade, make sure you can invade and not get your asses kicked.
Poppy
You don't get it, fo you?
We are NOT like you.
We are better people.
We don't need to murder in order to prosper as human beings.
It might take us a while longer, and we may never achieve that wealth you lot have in gold.
That is fair enough though.
You lot will never appreciate what you got anyway...
Just look at you, you have everything and still you are upset at a bunch of third world South Americans.
And we are the ones smiling...
Of course you are better steveria....whatever you say. I am not lowering myself to your level of stupidity. Your expertise and experience at that level will kick my ass. So yes.......you are not like us.
Were you disappointed at the first Towers bombing?
Did you dance at the US Embassy bombing 1998?
I bet you celebrated the USS Cole bombing?
Did you laugh at 9/11 like you al Qaeda buddies?
Your military cannot defend you and prefers to kills it's citizen. What mix breed and tribe did you leak from?
Captain Poppy (#21) writes I will agree that the USA was launched into war under false pretenses,
Please, you use the passive tense WAS LAUNCHED.(#21) No one forced George W Bush and Mini Me (God will be my judge, Tony Blair) to enter the war. However, they did the world a favour by getting rid of a thoroughly nasty and evil dictator. Civilisation is better off without the likes of Sadam Hussein and his grizzly gang.
Poppy
I will answer your questions the most sincerely I can.
Yes, I was disappointed. At humanity, yet again.
I don't remember that bombing in particular. I know of course it happened, but I guess it was more important to you than to me. I'm sure I didn't dance though.
Again, another bombing I can't remember my feelings for. But as with every bombing, it's a tragic. Like those millions of tons you lot dropped all over the world for the last 50 years.
I have no Al Qaeda buddiess, but my feelings for 9/11 I remember clearly.
It was a mixed emotion between the ususal human tragic, to a sense of that now you know how it feels. What is 9/11 for you, is 24/7 for the Iraqis. For the Palestines. For the Afghanis.
Don't worry about our military, they are getting less and less important for every year.
@#27.... Whew! Your view of what happened in Iraq overt he last ten years is truly astounding! You have taken the bait hook, line, and sinker (as they say in the good old US of Amerika). You, Bush, and Tony Blair must be best buds!
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBrutal and vulgar......
Apr 24th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Drama queen anyone?
Yeah, brutal and vulgar is just the beginning of a long list of useful words to describe US behavior toward Latin America.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why does it appear that many who comment on this site have never studied history? Please, folks, spend a little time widening your understanding of the behaviors of the empires that ruled the various parts of Latin America, and read The Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano. It will help raise the level of the dialogue here.
If Venezuela wants respect, it has to earn respect. And Venezuela has earned respect, how?
Apr 24th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly Conqueror, these SA half wits seem to think respect is handed like their bribes.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those who are able to should read the following:
Apr 24th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://peru21.pe/politica/vargas-llosa-critica-presidentes-latinoamericanos-legitimar-maduro-2127479
Vargas Llosa does not speak with a forked tongue unlike so many other
Latin American celebrities. He was not awarded the Nobel Prize for waffling.
2 rylang23 (#) Of course you have a valid point. Just think about Operation Condor, the overthrow of the Allende government. Who was behind the military takeover in Argentina by the junta in 1976?
Think about the atrocities committed by the Latin Americans on their own people.
Of course the arrival of the white man ( Los Conquistadores) in the New World brought death and disaster in the form of the Spanish Inquisition and venereal disease. This is one reason some of the indigenous people refused to join the the 500th anniversary celebrations of the arrival of Columbus in the New World.
A lot of white people did not celebrate the 500th anniversary as well. However, with regard to violense, you need to read more of the archaeological research on the indigenous people of the America's. They had pretty violent societies....unless that's white man's lies also.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 2 - Don't throw pearls to pigs. Most people here have no knowledge of history at all, they just hate Latin America and it's people and feel somewhat important in their little heads talking bad about it.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0insecurity is a terrible illness. The world does not hate you, they hate your practices of borrowing our money then defaulting. The civilized world calls that....theft.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Apr 24th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And some people have an Inferiority Complex, and need a scapegoat for their failings.
In all honesty, most people in North America do not talk about LATAM at all. They are barely aware of it.
The #1 perception, true or otherwise is that SA countries fuel the demand for drugs. Not all Latam countries do but the ones that do and/or did, as Colombia had monopolies on drug smuggling.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#2 would be that they are countries on constant politicial flux with socialist and rich dictators and lastly, extremely poor countries.
Last week the USA was brutal and vulgar now , suddenly , he wants dialogue ! Has he suddenly realized that in two or three years the USA will no longer need his petrol ? All this due to fracking . Be careful petrol bullies the USA is about to become self sufficient in petrol .
Apr 24th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 8 - As far as borrowing money from other countries, Brazil is the 4th largest creditor of the USA. It's not Brazil that is borrowing money, Brazil is lending money, specially through BNDES. I'm not saying that the world hates Latin America, on the contrary, Brazil is liked a lot more around the world than the US and UK, seen as imperialist nations. What I am saying is that YOU hate Latin America and it's people. Your comments clearly show that.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 9 - Sounds like you're not in North America, because Latin America and Immigration are on the front pages of the newspapers every day.
# 10 - Latin America produces drugs which are sold mainly in North America and Europe. Colombia never had a monopoly on drug smuggling, while it is the world's largest producer of cocaine, Peru and Bolivia have always been producers. Besides that, Colombia and Paraguay also produce marijuana. Brazil and Argentina, for example, are not significant producers of drugs. The world's largest producer of marijuana, to give another example, is Canada, and the whole meth epidemic in the US is poduced locally. And to your second comment, what socialist dictators have there ever been in South America? Seems like you're confusing the militaries with socialists.
# 11 - Last week the USA brutal and vulgar, this week it is, and it will also be next week and the one after. Obviously he wants dialogue, so the US stops trying to subvert his government, but that's not really going to happen anytime soon. As far as the whole issue with fracking and the US not needing Venezuelan oil anymore, do you seriously think that there aren't a long list of countries lined up to buy Venezuelan oil? Petroleum is an ever dimishing vital resource, this is why countres have recently fought wars over it. China would be more than happy to buy all the petroleum in Venezuela.
To a Brit :
Apr 24th, 2013 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America - fantastic natural wonders, rain forest, Amazon, Galapogas, Machu Picture.
Some places dangerous, Colombia, Venezuela, parts of Ecuador
Brazil - fast developing country, nice people, advancing technically, fun place.
Argentina, Andes, Malbec, Blueberries, basket case population who rave about the Falklands all the time.
That's the general opinion of SA in the UK, nothing more than that...
Not on most people's radar
@13 Faz
Apr 24th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. GALAPAGOS & MACHU PICCHU
2. Ecuador? Dangerous? Never in your life. If you had said Honduras, El Salvador and, especially, Mexico you might have been nearer the truth.
3. Brazil, yes and no! The socioeconomic problems of Brasil are enormous and the treatment of its indigenous peoples leaves a lot to be desired.
4. Argentina - intelligent middle class, good rugby players, golfers and Lionel Messi. They don't rave about the Falklands, they rave about Las Malvinas.
That's the general opinion of SA in the UK, nothing more than that.. WRONG!
On more than a few peoples radar.
# 13 - I can see how that is the perceptions of most British people. The one's who most often post on this website, however, are obssessed with bashing South America, specially Argentina. It most certainly is on THEIR radar.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 Brazilian . Sorry to disappoint you but the petrol shipped to USA is very high in sulphur content and thus not very popular . Accepted by the USA because it is refined by a Venezuelan company based in America .
Apr 24th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Brazilian
Apr 24th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US is really only aware of the Mexicans because it is they that are on their doorstep and at every street corner.
The US has also already told Canada that they have less interest in Alberta oil, due to their own supplies.
Poppy
Apr 25th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You lot steal natural resources all over the world and then you accuse Argentina for stealing when they default? Interesting
Faz
Machu Picture
Galapogas
That's the general opinion of SA in the UK, nothing more than that...
That is the problem.
Not that you don't care.
But that you havve one without even knowing where you are on the world...
Steal? Please make that case as opposed to empty accusations...can you do and prove that resources are stolen?
Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lot invade sovereign nations under the lies of WMD's and without the approval of UN.
Apr 25th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lot install puppets at democratic elected governors and remove them at will, all according to your (lots) own interests.
Then you (lot) get the best contracts on rebuilding the country you (lot) just bombed to pieces, and on the natural resources, especially oil.
That is stealing.
In everybodys eyes except your (lots).
I will agree that the USA was launched into war under false pretenses, but I hardly call the price we paid as stealing But when you were last in Iraq....what year would that be? Did you every talk to the people in the street of there opinion, or did you goggle it?
Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you friends did not attck the Twin Towers and Pentagon, Iraq would still be ruled by Hussein. Perhaps you and yur pals should have debated mo a bit more before attacking them........how long did you and your buddies discuss this option?
18/20 Stevie . We rob natural resources ? Do you know that the British built the railways , waterworks , gas plants etc in Buenos Aires. . As far as I remember we left them there ! As for Iraq I feel safer with Hussein under the earth .
Apr 25th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 022
Apr 26th, 2013 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm talking about present time. You rob natural resources in Iraq, yes.
I feel safer with Bush and Blair under the earth, that still doesn't give anyone the right to invade UK and USA and hang them, does it?
Ask your government from 1982 invasion of the Falklands, or your allies about 9/11 into the USA. Only when you invade, make sure you can invade and not get your asses kicked.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't get it, fo you?
We are NOT like you.
We are better people.
We don't need to murder in order to prosper as human beings.
It might take us a while longer, and we may never achieve that wealth you lot have in gold.
That is fair enough though.
You lot will never appreciate what you got anyway...
Just look at you, you have everything and still you are upset at a bunch of third world South Americans.
And we are the ones smiling...
;)
Of course you are better steveria....whatever you say. I am not lowering myself to your level of stupidity. Your expertise and experience at that level will kick my ass. So yes.......you are not like us.
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Were you disappointed at the first Towers bombing?
Did you dance at the US Embassy bombing 1998?
I bet you celebrated the USS Cole bombing?
Did you laugh at 9/11 like you al Qaeda buddies?
Your military cannot defend you and prefers to kills it's citizen. What mix breed and tribe did you leak from?
Captain Poppy (#21) writes I will agree that the USA was launched into war under false pretenses,
Apr 27th, 2013 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please, you use the passive tense WAS LAUNCHED.(#21) No one forced George W Bush and Mini Me (God will be my judge, Tony Blair) to enter the war. However, they did the world a favour by getting rid of a thoroughly nasty and evil dictator. Civilisation is better off without the likes of Sadam Hussein and his grizzly gang.
Poppy
Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will answer your questions the most sincerely I can.
Yes, I was disappointed. At humanity, yet again.
I don't remember that bombing in particular. I know of course it happened, but I guess it was more important to you than to me. I'm sure I didn't dance though.
Again, another bombing I can't remember my feelings for. But as with every bombing, it's a tragic. Like those millions of tons you lot dropped all over the world for the last 50 years.
I have no Al Qaeda buddiess, but my feelings for 9/11 I remember clearly.
It was a mixed emotion between the ususal human tragic, to a sense of that now you know how it feels. What is 9/11 for you, is 24/7 for the Iraqis. For the Palestines. For the Afghanis.
Don't worry about our military, they are getting less and less important for every year.
@#27.... Whew! Your view of what happened in Iraq overt he last ten years is truly astounding! You have taken the bait hook, line, and sinker (as they say in the good old US of Amerika). You, Bush, and Tony Blair must be best buds!
Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should only be surprising to SA's
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