Canada’s Barrick Gold Corp making a painful adjustment to a sustained slump in bullion prices, reported progress in controlling costs and said it planned further cuts in capital spending. Read full article
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Chicureo
I am not so happy. It is a big employer in my area and I am not convinced it is an environmental monster. Barrick mined El Indio at the top of the Elqui Valley for 20 years and did so very responsibly. Neither agriculture nor tourism was affected. At Pascua-drama they seem to be doing the same. The injunction that has stopped work has been made on behalf of the “Diaguita” community on very spurious grounds.
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It’s all over as soon as Mami is back. On future single-malt-re-supply treks you might be greeted by the buzz of the overhead electric highway. But the air will have that much less CO2 in it.
Don’t worry, in the blink of an eye Mami would slap anti-terrorism special powers on said angry Huaso.
What is your objection to HidroAysen?
a) The visual sore of the towers
b) The altered eco-system due to flooding
c) You have an undeclared interest in the shipping of millions of tonnes of hydrocarbons in to Chile.
d) Regional development in Aysen thwarts Argentine territorial aspirations ;)
If (a), would underground power lines make a difference?
Condorito
PL: http://www.emol.com/noticias/economia/2012/01/24/523138/comunidad-denuncia-graves-danos-en-rio-huasco-por-actividad-de-proyecto-pascua-lama.html
Read the second to last comment in the Emol article. Who knows what damage will be caused by moving a glacier? We need more careful evaluation.
There is a lot of misinformation and normally the environmentalists are at fault, but this time I tend to agree with some of their concerns.
Hydro: The towers don't really bother me, and hydroelectric reservoirs make sense. This project however was terribly planned and was approved only because of greed. Mami now has to face what she helped create. This will be interesting...
As far as power, we may have to again consider our whole national strategy.
A) Underground power lines should be the only legal option available......
Construction of aerial lines have been abandoned decades ago by all advanced Nations..... Why do you Think that happened?
B) There are dozens of novel methods to harness hidroelectric power from our rivers. Most of them more cost-effective that damming (damning) them......
Here just one of them…...........http://www.careelectric.com.br/
Construction of big damming projects have been abandoned decades ago by all advanced Nations..... Why do you Think that happened?
Estimado Think,
Thanks for the links. When you fly over the Atacama you see excavations everywhere, dating back to the Inca empire. Mining is the heart of our economy.
An underground line paralleling the Ruta 5 makes sense, but costly and complicated. Much of the length however would require above ground towers.
Although I'm against conventional nuclear power, this type of generation may prove to be the best way to go in the future. Bill Gates is a major backer. http://www.terrapower.com/pages/safety
Chile already doesn´t need that kind of enviromental destructive investment, so is a very good news. Maybe these guys (Barrick)can go somewhere else to destroy glaciers but not in Chile.
To make an omelet you gotta break some eggs, right?
Well to advance economically we have to dig stuff up, maybe remove the occasional glacier (we have plenty more). We have to damn as many rivers as economically feasible to produce cheap renewable electricity to reduce the endless imports of hydrocarbons and we have to have a cheap but efficient overhead power grid 100 mts wide x the whole length of Chile.
So to the Indians that have stopped the Pascua Lama project I have to say please think of the nation first, of those millions making a lousy US$600 bucks per month, struggling to raise their families..... PROGRESS IS WHAT WE NEED all else can take a back seat, we cannot waste a millisecond, economic progress must be utterly relentless till we reach our goals.
I'll get off my soap box now, saludos.
You say...:
To make an omelet you gotta break some eggs, right?
I say....:
One of the favourite phrases of the Global Momios......
Except that our Earth is not an Omelet....
And our rivers are not some eggs....
Right?
You mean that you prefer to kill our rivers and cut Patagonia in two instead of even considering other rentable and realistic alternatives of producing electricity.
Just to maximize the profits of the shareholders......
PS:
This message has been send from a locally assembled computer run on 100% photovoltaic power.......
Some could is a mal glacier, but one small here and another there and then no glaciers anywhere. And the bad called development ends with the populations forced to move into big cities living in poor suburbs and the mining companies full of money. Thanks to many that think that development means to destroy enviroment. Chile has deserve more, development is not gonna come devastating the soil. It will for other means.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood! I'm pro-mining, but I'm glad this environmental monster is being delayed.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHAHAHA, so this is good to halt, but when the mining project is in Argentina then it is because we are soo bad.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You people are trully pathetic.
(1)
Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hidroaysen next, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!
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Apr 26th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo
I am not so happy. It is a big employer in my area and I am not convinced it is an environmental monster. Barrick mined El Indio at the top of the Elqui Valley for 20 years and did so very responsibly. Neither agriculture nor tourism was affected. At Pascua-drama they seem to be doing the same. The injunction that has stopped work has been made on behalf of the “Diaguita” community on very spurious grounds.
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It’s all over as soon as Mami is back. On future single-malt-re-supply treks you might be greeted by the buzz of the overhead electric highway. But the air will have that much less CO2 in it.
(4) Don’t tease, hermanito Shileno….
Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some huaso aparecido de Til-Til could get angry at those towers…..
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Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ché Think:
Don’t worry, in the blink of an eye Mami would slap anti-terrorism special powers on said angry Huaso.
What is your objection to HidroAysen?
a) The visual sore of the towers
b) The altered eco-system due to flooding
c) You have an undeclared interest in the shipping of millions of tonnes of hydrocarbons in to Chile.
d) Regional development in Aysen thwarts Argentine territorial aspirations ;)
If (a), would underground power lines make a difference?
Condorito
Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PL: http://www.emol.com/noticias/economia/2012/01/24/523138/comunidad-denuncia-graves-danos-en-rio-huasco-por-actividad-de-proyecto-pascua-lama.html
Read the second to last comment in the Emol article. Who knows what damage will be caused by moving a glacier? We need more careful evaluation.
There is a lot of misinformation and normally the environmentalists are at fault, but this time I tend to agree with some of their concerns.
Hydro: The towers don't really bother me, and hydroelectric reservoirs make sense. This project however was terribly planned and was approved only because of greed. Mami now has to face what she helped create. This will be interesting...
As far as power, we may have to again consider our whole national strategy.
(6) Condorito
Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A) Underground power lines should be the only legal option available......
Construction of aerial lines have been abandoned decades ago by all advanced Nations..... Why do you Think that happened?
B) There are dozens of novel methods to harness hidroelectric power from our rivers. Most of them more cost-effective that damming (damning) them......
Here just one of them…...........http://www.careelectric.com.br/
Construction of big damming projects have been abandoned decades ago by all advanced Nations..... Why do you Think that happened?
C) No C
D) No D
(7) Chicureo
A link from a website in Esquel, Chubut that may interest you...
http://www.careelectric.com.br/
Estimado Think,
Apr 26th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the links. When you fly over the Atacama you see excavations everywhere, dating back to the Inca empire. Mining is the heart of our economy.
An underground line paralleling the Ruta 5 makes sense, but costly and complicated. Much of the length however would require above ground towers.
Although I'm against conventional nuclear power, this type of generation may prove to be the best way to go in the future. Bill Gates is a major backer.
http://www.terrapower.com/pages/safety
8 Think
Apr 26th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Construction of aerial lines have been abandoned decades ago by all advanced Nations....
Unfortunately your statement is not true for many reasons.
http://www.xcelenergy.com/staticfiles/xe/Regulatory/Transmission/OverheadvsUnderground.pdf
Chile already doesn´t need that kind of enviromental destructive investment, so is a very good news. Maybe these guys (Barrick)can go somewhere else to destroy glaciers but not in Chile.
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0To make an omelet you gotta break some eggs, right?
Apr 27th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well to advance economically we have to dig stuff up, maybe remove the occasional glacier (we have plenty more). We have to damn as many rivers as economically feasible to produce cheap renewable electricity to reduce the endless imports of hydrocarbons and we have to have a cheap but efficient overhead power grid 100 mts wide x the whole length of Chile.
So to the Indians that have stopped the Pascua Lama project I have to say please think of the nation first, of those millions making a lousy US$600 bucks per month, struggling to raise their families..... PROGRESS IS WHAT WE NEED all else can take a back seat, we cannot waste a millisecond, economic progress must be utterly relentless till we reach our goals.
I'll get off my soap box now, saludos.
(12) The Chilean perspective
Apr 27th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
To make an omelet you gotta break some eggs, right?
I say....:
One of the favourite phrases of the Global Momios......
Except that our Earth is not an Omelet....
And our rivers are not some eggs....
Right?
13 Think
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know what I meant. Now go and hug a tree while we burn endless tons of imported coal to power my computer.
(14) The Chilean perspective
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I know what you mean.....
You mean that you prefer to kill our rivers and cut Patagonia in two instead of even considering other rentable and realistic alternatives of producing electricity.
Just to maximize the profits of the shareholders......
PS:
This message has been send from a locally assembled computer run on 100% photovoltaic power.......
@15
Apr 27th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And with no doubt locally manufactured parts!
Water is more important than gold. Natives in Canada as well beach goers in Toronto Canada know this too well, Stupid is as stupid does.
Apr 27th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some could is a mal glacier, but one small here and another there and then no glaciers anywhere. And the bad called development ends with the populations forced to move into big cities living in poor suburbs and the mining companies full of money. Thanks to many that think that development means to destroy enviroment. Chile has deserve more, development is not gonna come devastating the soil. It will for other means.
Apr 27th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Photoshopped reality.....
Apr 28th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.noalamina.org/images/stories/noesno/latinoam/Ch_PLama_cartel_somos_B.jpg
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