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Argentine minister forecasts solid victory in October election; polls say the contrary

Monday, April 29th 2013 - 20:08 UTC
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Argentina’s Federal Planning minister Julio de Vido called on Buenos Aires province mayors to defend the Cristina Fernandez government model and predicted a solid victory in the mid term legislative elections of next October. Read full article

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  • Captain Poppy

    when you can buy votes, that's an easy predicition.

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Trunce

    De Vido went on to say that what is needed in “an Argentina for all such as proposed by President Cristina”

    Indeed, it would be fitting that she should continue in office to see the realistion of - “an Argentina for all such as proposed by President Cristina”.

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The public need to be reminded of all the dimplomatic successes CFK has had, including the development of new petroleum and gas fields, new infrastructure projects, such as the high speed rail to Rosario, the encouraging of foreign investment, the success in attracting increased tourism, such as cruise liners, and last but not least, the re-opening of direct air service to the Islas Malvinas.
    Add to that, lowering inflation, strengthening the Peso and helping business development. Of course she'll win, our glorious beautiful queen!

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Yes I'm torn on what I'd rank as the “most successful policy”.

    I'd say..... inflation

    Surely the most successful as it ranks as one of the highest in the world. And let's face it, there's few ranking where Argentina is closer to the top rather than the bottom.

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    politician says political things...

    great news item.

    yay for MercoPress.

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • manchesterlad

    This guy is dreaming, like most of the government cronies they have lost touch with reality (just like RG trolls on here)

    As the money man behind the Kirchners he is strongly implicated in the money laundering schemes & when the truth comes out he will be the first one to get lynched........he may not last until October!!!

    Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @61
    You may be right. He may be dreaming. PJ maybe headed for a fall in these mid terms.

    But what about the UK mid terms. Who is going to win those? Oh, hang on, I forgot. The UK doesn't have mid terms does it. In fact UK elections are only held very rarely. And, when they are held, because most offices are filled by appointment, the UK voters have nothing to vote for.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    If you say so! Must be right.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    7 troll

    Deflection anyone??

    I thought the article was about the Argentina election, and the controversial prediction by a minister that CFK was bound to win.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Iron Man

    @7 there are effectively mid terms - they are local council elections and in fact they are this week. Usually the party in power takes a slap and this time will be no different. The Conservatives won a ton of seats when Labour was in power and they are likely to give most of them back now they are in power.

    I take two things from that - firstly, the electorate does feel like it has a credible choice unlike in Argentina where no matter how crap CFK is no-one appears as an alternative (maybe they are scared they would be on the receiving end of a tax investigation?) and secondly there is no intimidation of voters or claims of electoral fraud. The loser takes it on the chin. Something you might like to consider the next time something doesn't go your way, rather than blaming someone else.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @7

    “But what about the UK mid terms. Who is going to win those? Oh, hang on, I forgot. The UK doesn't have mid terms does it. In fact UK elections are only held very rarely. And, when they are held, because most offices are filled by appointment, the UK voters have nothing to vote for.”

    Which country appoints minister from unelected people?
    Which country appoints ministers from elected people?
    Which country has been a dictatorship several times in the last 100 years?
    Which country ranks as a FULL democracy?
    Which country ranks as a FLAWED democracy?

    I see some people rank stable democratic institutions lower than instability.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @10
    Council elections! Tell me you are joking - right!

    In Argentina elections are held every 2 & 4 years for the legislative and executive candidates at the national, provincial and municipal levels. This is in addition to the open primaries. In the context of this article the PJ (and the other parties) are standing for elections that do not exist in the UK.

    It only appears to you that there is no opposition in Argentina because you know absolutely nothing about that country. And no amount of reading of this British run site will correct your deficiency.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Iron Man

    @12 no I'm not joking I will leave that to you.

    Council elections are the equivalent of provincial and municipal elections and are held every four years on a rolling basis, so every year in May there are a number of councils up for grabs. By the way, if you change your government every two years you will never achieve anything.

    Also, remind me how long CFK and Nestor have been in power collectively? No doubt if Nestor was still alive he would have put the country in his wife's name so he could carry on lining his pocket.

    I don't just use this site for information, thanks for your concern.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @13
    Again you are showing your ignorance. The mid terms in this article are being held to elect members of the national legislature. How many national legislative positions will be filled by the council elections? Zero? Yes you are correct. Give the man a cigar Gracy.

    If you hold elections every two years you will achieve what the voters want you to achieve. Your assertion that achievements are only .Ade in the absence of elections highlights you undemocratic view of the world.

    Any way administrations have not been changing every two years in Argentina as you point out in your post.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Iron Man

    @14 you are living up to your troll nickname. I didn't say the council elections were for a national legislature, I was replying to your statement that the UK holds elections infrequently (which is wrong) by stating that every year there are elections in the UK. Because very few people know their local council candidate, and because nearly everyone in the country has the chanceto vote, these are taken as a proxy for how the country would vote if a general election was held.

    If you hold elections every two years the government will do what it needs to get re-elected, not necessarily what is right for the country. You will end up with a populist government pandering to the lowest common denominator.

    Sound familiar?

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @15
    In the UK - once every 5 years for one house of the legislature only - no executive elections at all. Once every 4 years for a total council election - NP executive election.

    There you go again - suggesting that's what is “right” for the country is different than what you the majority of voters want. Call that democracy?

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    ironman - hes successfully deflected the story form being about argentina to you defending your comments on the Uk system... or other politicla systems in general.

    this is post 17

    he wins.

    dont get sucked into these sideline deflection schemes.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Anbar is correct.

    After all the “national elections” in Argentina it is still a FLAWED democracy beholden to a popular president and prone to dictatorships periodically no matter what a troll says.

    The fact that someone on an article about democracy in Argentina feels the need to compare it to the UK is a sure sign that they are uncomfortable with the subject.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Iron Man

    @17 Fair point.

    To get it back on track, I hope CFK gets a third term, I'm not sure she has quite stuffed the country enough. Of course, anything she does is fair enough, because she has been democratically elected so no-one can complain.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Now let's “think” about this sensibly. de Vido predicted a “solid” victory in October. Hands up those who expected him to predict a defeat? “and demanded that the mayors support the government.” Whoops, there's that word again. Isn't argieland supposed to be “democratic”? Then what does it matter what the mayors do? The mayors aren't “the people”. Aaah, but I'm sure that the mayors are essential to the process of buying votes. If for no other reason than that they need to look the other way. After all, if the “Justice Party” doesn't get elected, could their “nice little earners” and federal funds dry up? Could the federal government suddenly hand all sorts of responsibilities to the municipalities? But without the funds to pay for them. This isn't so much a statement of confidence as a threat. Why would a government with solid support want to have a rally of this type 6 months ahead of elections?

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Just more babble from one of her talking heads. And yes he is implicated in the money laundering schemes...maybe he and cfk can have adjoining cells.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • manchesterlad

    He´s also one of the strongest advocates of ´democratizing´ the judiciary...... these crooks know that the only way to avoid a jail cell once they have been thrown out of power is to have friends in high places i.e. the supreme court

    It´s how the dictators stayed free for so long & how Menem is still a senator being paid by the taxpayer after robbing the country blind for over 10 years

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    Cristina's government model is doing fine. Four more years to finish the job - Argentina is only half-destroyed.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    All is well
    All is well

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    if they vote her back in,
    they deserve all they get.

    Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @11
    (1) Many countries but the answer I think you are looking for is the UK.
    (2) Again I think the answer you are looking for is Argentina.
    (3) Where to start with this one. First the UK has not been a democracy for 100 years - not even under its own stunted definition. But look at the record of the last 100 years - India, Kenya, Nigeria, Egypt, Iraq,.... For instance the UK engineered a coup in Iran in the early 1950s and installed a violent and repressive regime. The UK is the Junta!
    (4) There are no full democracies in the world.
    (5) Again I think the answer you are looking for is the UK.

    May 01st, 2013 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    There might be no full democracies in the world, but even then the UK is still closer to the ideal than Argentina has ever been now or in the past.

    Oh and Argentina is AGAIN heading further away from that ideal.

    Nothing if not consistent!

    May 01st, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Where to start with this one. First the UK has not been a democracy for 100 years -

    UK has been a democracy for over a thousand years,
    one may interpret what one wishes,

    but argentina is not..

    May 01st, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @18
    Ah yes all the anti democratic arguments are coming out now. Fancy th president, having won an election, being popular. How would you have it? Would you prefer the candidate who got the least number of votes to be president? Or maybe you prefer the British method of not having an election at all.

    May 02nd, 2013 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @29 poop john

    Perhaps he meant 'populist' president??

    As to “ not having an election at all”,

    - what are you talking about?????

    What an asinine statement!

    Troll Pope

    Have you been called in to relieve 'stevieguzz' ?

    He's had some long tough days lately - defending the indefensible CFK!

    May 02nd, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Yeah because being a democracy is solely about holding elections.

    Such as those held in North Korea in 2009.

    And what a knife-edge result that wasn't!

    May 02nd, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Having “Democratic” in your countries name does not make it democratic, but you are in great company with other countries with democratic in their name.
    Teachers, strike, UTA strikes, Farmers refusing to sell their goods in protest of inflation, CGT preparing for more strikes, hundreds of thousand of general public flock to the streets against the Rambling cunt of Argentina. Public service employees are constatntly being paid late, wait until there is n paycheck. Yees John III(fool), we can all see popular she is. In fact she is so popular she is appearing on more and more bulls eyes.
    She will become even more popular when Argentina cannot heat their homes this winter. She will be well loved.
    Other than taking control and turning judges into politicians, Argentina removed the strongest tenent of democracy, and independent judiciary. The mad cunt does not like that fact the the Human Rights Commssion for Asslips favorite organization...the UN has stepped out and openingly criticised Argentina for moving in the opposite direction of democracy....A Brazilian no less.
    Here's a little blurb form an extremely left/liberal news media.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-nelson/largest-financial-collapse-in-history_b_3180138.html

    YFP claiming inflation is killing their investments and profits, a government owned compnay complaing about inflation....mmmm imagine that.

    LNG imports up 74%

    refinery stll down...get they imports parts to fix it? Import gas and diesel until then.

    I love the new one from AFIP. If you make more then X, you must have deomestic workers. If you are not reporting and paying taxes for them, they are sending you a billing for them. All because you MUST have domestic help.

    Yeah....they all love the cunt and the Democratic Republi c of Argentina.

    May 02nd, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @32 capt poppy

    “I love the new one from AFIP. If you make more then X, you must have deomestic workers. If you are not reporting and paying taxes for them, they are sending you a billing for them. All because you MUST have domestic help.”

    What!!!

    Captain, forgive me for being incredulous.
    Is there a link?
    This is insane - in other words, I know it makes sense from CFK's pov.

    Is that how bad it is??

    This government is absolutely f'cking the people and their country - stereotypical 'populism' - Argentinians are legislated to poverty.
    Rather than elevating everyone to prosperity, they will all fall to the lowest common denominator.

    CFK is in a sh*tload of trouble when the blackouts start!!!

    May 02nd, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Here is a quick blurb from the Herald. I read it in another article in more detail. Call it the “Presumption tax” lol

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/130047/afip-to-presume-people-employ-full-time-help-according-to-income

    May 02nd, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Argentina...

    Still $5.135= 1 USD Growth 5% estimated for 2013.

    Jealous Yanks and Britons falling like stones.

    Sorry you have chose the wrong place to live.

    SYL

    May 03rd, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Still $5.135 off course you fucking moron. It is controlled by asslips kirchner, not markets forces of supply and demand because no one would it is demanding it's over abundant supply!

    May 03rd, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @31
    Holding elections is not sufficient to ensure democracy. However, holding elections is necessary in a democratic system. Most offices in England are not filled by election. This is why England is a fourth rate democracy.

    May 03rd, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Craptain Poopy

    Dollar from Banco Provincia still $5.135.

    What the price of burritos and tacos in the open market USAMEX?

    Buy AR$ (pesos) because someone told me that scarce in US.
    Sure US will collapse because I saw that in the Fed balance no much pesos are available.

    But you are bloody lucky and will got “Ameros”

    May 03rd, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    lololololololololololololololololololololololol.....you are not German...they have a brain. Work a little harder you might annoy someone.

    lololololololololololol

    peso busted 10.00 tell your ignornat corrupt leader to put the peso on the free market. I would buy some to wipe my ass but Charmin is a better deal.
    With 30% inflation, only idiots would want pesos........even YPF is gagging on a mouthful of inflation......lolololololololol

    good thing you are in Germanay lololololololololol

    dumberger....you are the comedic gift that keeps giving

    lolololololololol

    May 03rd, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Amexica, Doesn’t look any good eh!

    “Is the U.S. Economy on the Verge of Epic Collapse?”

    “Here in America we hear the same lies and distortions about the economy as we heard about the EU: “Everything is fine”… “It’s getting better”… “Unemployment is improving”… “The crisis is under control”… and of course, “The recovery is already underway.”

    We now know they are delusional lies. Cyprus citizens had their life savings stolen by their own government directly from their bank accounts. In Spain bankruptcies were up 45% in the first quarter. In Italy public buses were recently forced to return to the depot because there was no money to pay for gas. In Greece 33,000 citizens a month are losing their electricity, for failure to pay the bill. In France the Jobs Minister let it slip that “France is completely bankrupt.” In the UK the economy is headed for a dreaded and unprecedented “triple dip recession.” It is clear Europe is entering a Great Depression.

    How far behind can America be? Our media says we are in a “recovery” incessantly. We are told that because the stock market is rising, because housing is enjoying a few signs of life (at bankruptcy prices), and because cars are selling better than the terrible rate they sold at last year, that the U.S. economy is doing well. It’s a mirage.

    Stocks are rising because the Federal Reserve is printing $85 billion per month in fake money and dropping it onto Wall Street. Housing is rising because the Fed is buying mortgage-backed securities that no one else wants, to keep interest rates artificially low. Cars are selling because government itself is buying record numbers of GM cars, and handing out billions in checks (welfare, food stamps, disability, and unemployment) to prop up consumer spending.

    Take the government checks away and the economy collapses overnight...”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2013/04/18/is-the-us-economy-on-the-verge-of-epic-collapse-n1570834/page/full

    May 04th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Let's see how many bit on your diversion? 'snicker'.

    bahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    Oh yes....do not forget

    Man never landed on the moon...too
    JFK survived and lived on an island...too

    I want a taco!

    May 04th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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