Latin America's growing prosperity is fuelling a cancer epidemic that threatens to overwhelm the region unless governments take urgent preventive action, a study warned. Read full article
The Lancet Oncology should not be worrying.
According to these muppets, there is no new life-style in South America. Socialism has failed and everybody lives in cantegriles.
No, it's because when people finally go to the doctor, many times it's just too late.
The treatment is also expensive, and not everybody can afford it.
But that is something that will get better thanks to the Latam new life-style
This article partially touches on a very real phenomenon – some of the negative impacts of development on health. Although I disagree with assertion that there is an increase in smoking and alcohol consumption. Certainly here smoking has been on the decline for a long time and the new law banning it in all public venues has hammered it even lower. We are drinking more expensive alcohol (so spending has increased) but not more.
The big health problem is diet and obesity. Both Chile and Argentina are now in the top 10 of countries with the highest average body mass index...and it is the poor who are fat.
@6
I doubt the incidence rate is lower than the US. Poor people here with cancer just die of some “sudden” illness.
#8 it is the same here as well that is is the poor that is obese. Some things can't be changed, like eating habits of the lower echelons in any society.
That seemed skeptical that poor people die of a sudden illness, was it meant that way? Effective cancer treatment and research is extremely expensive, but I thought healthcare was free?
Poppy
To a certain limit it is.
Bt first things first, and the introduction of socialism is merley 10 years old in Uruguay.
First we need to build a base to finance it all, get the production going. Locally.
Little by little we'll be able to offer every Uruguayan their basic needs.
@10 Shame you can't. Argieland won't let you! Take a look. At every opportunity, argieland tries, and succeeds, in impeding Uruguayan development. Pulp mills, closing international bridges, refusing to dredge channels as per treaty, refusing to buy back currency, the re-gasification plant. But what do you care? Argieland is paying you.
No no stevie I do not think there is a quick fix in a socialist society at all. You must have misinterpreted something wrong. Who will you take from to re-distribute if there are no capitalists, entrepreneurs or private enterprise in Uruguay? You can't be a closed economy and sustain society. Granted you are a small country, even smaller than my tiny state of Massachusetts and less populated. What type of a base to you envision to finance (tax) to support this way of living?
Poopy
I must indeed have misenterpreted something wrong...
What does that mean anyway? That I got it right?
How does one misinterpret something right?
In socialism you don't take wealth from anyone, the coorperations produce and the result is what is distributed.
Furthermore, no one has said there is no place for private enterprises in socialism.
They are just not allowed to profit of people's needs.
The amount of people doesn't matter, as the taxing is percentual.¨
The less people you have, the less taxes you might get. But you also need less money to satisfy their needs.
SO you cannot profit based on people's needs? So essentially if people need things, a business cannot make a profit to produce it and sell it to them to meet their need?
Wow......where can I stand in line to start a business there? Sounds like utopia. I can star a busniess, meet peoples needs, get taxed to oblivion. (55% in Sweden) and not make a profit. SIGN ME UP!
Poppy
Basic needs, not greed.
You don't need an iPhone.
You need food.
You need education. (and a lot)
You need healthcare.
You don't need a car. (much less three)
You need water.
You don't need a 52 inch LCD.
I have to think you are an indian. You are basing everyone's needs on your own philosphy. We don't need sex other than to pro-create but we all love fucking without the threat. You are forgeting your life is more primitive in SA, your needs are simplier. You seem to forget some people's job require iphone....I prefer android sytems myself.
I only have one car in my nane......does a boat make up the other two?
Quite honestly, I can't image watching the Patriots on a tiny tv ....damn!
Am I greedy because I have things you do not?
Poppy
If you fail to understand what basic needs means, then I can't help you.
If you feel that an Android mobile or a 52 inch LCD is basic needs, well then I can't help you either.
Then again, you never asked for my help, nor did I ever intend to do so...
But know this, yor greed has little to do with me.
I am far from greedy, but as a supporter of freemdom you are certainly entitled to you opinions. I must be awefully wealthy by your paradigm. Why do you feel government should provide your needs.....incapable of doing that on you own?
No Poppy
I'm not like you, my views aren't based on my own personal needs.
There are millions of people worldwide that are incapable of providing their needs, and their children.
Your wealth is of little importance when compared.
It is not the government's job to provide for the needs of the people, their job is to provide the conditions for the people to get jobs to be able to provide for their own needs.
If governments REALLY worked for their electorates there wold be no one ... incapable of providing their needs...
Simón
Every government is a representation of its people.
As such, it's indeed their job to provide for the needs of the people.
That's why they were chosen.
Otherwise you'd merely have the national employment service acting as governors...
That is the difference stevie, you believe the government's role is to provide handouts, provide their needs as you say, and the developed world believes they are to provide opportunies. I cannot image the level of pride one has in one self in knowiing that that the government provides for the needs of ones family and not the head of the household.
You get telling yourself you are providing for you family with government handouts......I'm sure you are comfortable proud thinking you are supporting your family.
Poppy
Are you calling human rights handouts?
The right to eat is a handout?
The right to have access to fresh Water is a handout?
The access to free health care is a handout?
The access to free education?
It is quite obvious that you never had to fight for anything in your life.
Calling basic needs for handouts...
You are quite right as I was born in a developed world. Creating jobs is not a priority in SA. No jobs...no self sufficiency, no jobs, government dependence.
As I always said.......north and south started on the same footing. In fact the south most likely had a head start 400 years ago. Something happened that the south lagged behind.
You are not South American. And your ego and hubris prevents you from restraining yourself.
“Yes, I've been to South America on various ocassions, and I never fail visiting your little nation. I especially appreciate the way you guys express your views on public walls”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200711
“Uruguay is too small a country to be on wings, it would be hard to make it rentable.
Still, your nation is doing a great job in the education sector, a friend told me something about finally getting a university in your beloved “interior”. ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200761
You obviously don't come from a Spanish speaking country:
“If you like me have difficulties with the Spanish language, try inserting the link in google translate.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200453
“I just translated Moyano's statements on lanacion.com and even if google translate sometimes comes up with weird translations, the headline is hard to misinterpret.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200481
“My Spanish might be rusty, and I confess I'm no good at reading or typing the language, but my understanding of the spoken language is enough to make out that he actually says that in the video.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200489
And believe me, they definitely are not all straight! Tsk tsk on the generalisations Stevieboy!
............... I was going to leave that post at that but then thought why not let you hang yourself more.
So your amazing powers of deduction are based on extensive analysis of my posts?
Or wishful thinking?
You won't find me contradicting myself on where I live (Brunswick West), where I study (Melbourne University) and where I work (Craigieburn).
You said you were in Uruguay..... you didn't even narrow down where from an entire country and I've narrowed it down to actual suburbs.
I'll go one better. I live within a 1 minute walk to a Route 55 tram stop.
Check out the times I post. So am I Brit living in Oz or a Brit in Ol' Blighty?
I wider what would happen if you analysed my spelling? Ooohh could I have been that smart? Are you even aware that Australia and Britain have some differing spelling conventions?
C'mon Stevie! You've sold yourself as a hell of a lot more intelligent than this.
So far it is you that have never stated your real nationality or location. At least you have narrowed mine down to a supposed two. Not helping your case here mate!
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe Lancet Oncology should not be worrying.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to these muppets, there is no new life-style in South America. Socialism has failed and everybody lives in cantegriles.
Guzz you shake your fists at everything. One day, even someone from your own ranks will remove and your nits before you all become lice.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0andy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet, here I am.
Representing the continent of south american communists as best you can......lol.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Communists?
Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are around too, but they represent themselves...
I'm not yanqui, I know what a communist is
;)
Why is cancer so untreatable in SA.......a lowere incidence rate than the USA and twice the death rate. Is this the CIA cancer?
Apr 29th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it's because when people finally go to the doctor, many times it's just too late.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The treatment is also expensive, and not everybody can afford it.
But that is something that will get better thanks to the Latam new life-style
;)
This article partially touches on a very real phenomenon – some of the negative impacts of development on health. Although I disagree with assertion that there is an increase in smoking and alcohol consumption. Certainly here smoking has been on the decline for a long time and the new law banning it in all public venues has hammered it even lower. We are drinking more expensive alcohol (so spending has increased) but not more.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The big health problem is diet and obesity. Both Chile and Argentina are now in the top 10 of countries with the highest average body mass index...and it is the poor who are fat.
@6
I doubt the incidence rate is lower than the US. Poor people here with cancer just die of some “sudden” illness.
#8 it is the same here as well that is is the poor that is obese. Some things can't be changed, like eating habits of the lower echelons in any society.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That seemed skeptical that poor people die of a sudden illness, was it meant that way? Effective cancer treatment and research is extremely expensive, but I thought healthcare was free?
Poppy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To a certain limit it is.
Bt first things first, and the introduction of socialism is merley 10 years old in Uruguay.
First we need to build a base to finance it all, get the production going. Locally.
Little by little we'll be able to offer every Uruguayan their basic needs.
There is no quick fix, as you seem to think.
First we need to build a base to finance it all, get the production going.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something I can agree with.
@10 Shame you can't. Argieland won't let you! Take a look. At every opportunity, argieland tries, and succeeds, in impeding Uruguayan development. Pulp mills, closing international bridges, refusing to dredge channels as per treaty, refusing to buy back currency, the re-gasification plant. But what do you care? Argieland is paying you.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0conqueror
Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pulp mill is up and running.
As far as I know, the bridge is open.
The dredging of the canal has been sorted
http://www.lr21.com.uy/economia/1100774-caru-argentina-y-uruguay-dragaran-a-27-pies-47-quilometros-hasta-concepcion
We have no issues with Argentine spending pesos in Uruguay.
And the re-gasification plant willl be built with or without the Argentines.
You see, every problem that we may encounter dealing with our neighbours, we solve them to everybody's benefit
;)
No no stevie I do not think there is a quick fix in a socialist society at all. You must have misinterpreted something wrong. Who will you take from to re-distribute if there are no capitalists, entrepreneurs or private enterprise in Uruguay? You can't be a closed economy and sustain society. Granted you are a small country, even smaller than my tiny state of Massachusetts and less populated. What type of a base to you envision to finance (tax) to support this way of living?
Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poopy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must indeed have misenterpreted something wrong...
What does that mean anyway? That I got it right?
How does one misinterpret something right?
In socialism you don't take wealth from anyone, the coorperations produce and the result is what is distributed.
Furthermore, no one has said there is no place for private enterprises in socialism.
They are just not allowed to profit of people's needs.
The amount of people doesn't matter, as the taxing is percentual.¨
The less people you have, the less taxes you might get. But you also need less money to satisfy their needs.
SO you cannot profit based on people's needs? So essentially if people need things, a business cannot make a profit to produce it and sell it to them to meet their need?
Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow......where can I stand in line to start a business there? Sounds like utopia. I can star a busniess, meet peoples needs, get taxed to oblivion. (55% in Sweden) and not make a profit. SIGN ME UP!
Poppy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basic needs, not greed.
You don't need an iPhone.
You need food.
You need education. (and a lot)
You need healthcare.
You don't need a car. (much less three)
You need water.
You don't need a 52 inch LCD.
I think you can finish the list yourself...
if you belive everything the experts way,,
Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the human race would be exstint by now...
mind you,
in some ways it already is..lol.
I have to think you are an indian. You are basing everyone's needs on your own philosphy. We don't need sex other than to pro-create but we all love fucking without the threat. You are forgeting your life is more primitive in SA, your needs are simplier. You seem to forget some people's job require iphone....I prefer android sytems myself.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only have one car in my nane......does a boat make up the other two?
Quite honestly, I can't image watching the Patriots on a tiny tv ....damn!
Am I greedy because I have things you do not?
19
Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy.
Stevie wants all those things too, that is why he lives in Denmark. It is just the rest of us who should live in wigwams.
Poppy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you fail to understand what basic needs means, then I can't help you.
If you feel that an Android mobile or a 52 inch LCD is basic needs, well then I can't help you either.
Then again, you never asked for my help, nor did I ever intend to do so...
But know this, yor greed has little to do with me.
Guzz, or I mean Stevie, whatever
Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutely correct.
Now go back to your basement and play your Nintendo games.
I am far from greedy, but as a supporter of freemdom you are certainly entitled to you opinions. I must be awefully wealthy by your paradigm. Why do you feel government should provide your needs.....incapable of doing that on you own?
Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Poppy
Apr 29th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not like you, my views aren't based on my own personal needs.
There are millions of people worldwide that are incapable of providing their needs, and their children.
Your wealth is of little importance when compared.
It's a shame their government does not provide the opportunities for their independence.
Apr 29th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie:
Apr 30th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not the government's job to provide for the needs of the people, their job is to provide the conditions for the people to get jobs to be able to provide for their own needs.
If governments REALLY worked for their electorates there wold be no one ... incapable of providing their needs...
Simón
Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every government is a representation of its people.
As such, it's indeed their job to provide for the needs of the people.
That's why they were chosen.
Otherwise you'd merely have the national employment service acting as governors...
That is the difference stevie, you believe the government's role is to provide handouts, provide their needs as you say, and the developed world believes they are to provide opportunies. I cannot image the level of pride one has in one self in knowiing that that the government provides for the needs of ones family and not the head of the household.
Apr 30th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The government IS the people.
Or a few selected to represent them all.
Of course they should provide for the peoples needs.
And the government BEING the people, means the people are providing for themselves. With the elected few as responsible for the means to do so.
What you guys need, is a change of subject to concentrate on,
Apr 30th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try cancer prevention..
You get telling yourself you are providing for you family with government handouts......I'm sure you are comfortable proud thinking you are supporting your family.
Apr 30th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
May 01st, 2013 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you calling human rights handouts?
The right to eat is a handout?
The right to have access to fresh Water is a handout?
The access to free health care is a handout?
The access to free education?
It is quite obvious that you never had to fight for anything in your life.
Calling basic needs for handouts...
You are quite right as I was born in a developed world. Creating jobs is not a priority in SA. No jobs...no self sufficiency, no jobs, government dependence.
May 01st, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0As I always said.......north and south started on the same footing. In fact the south most likely had a head start 400 years ago. Something happened that the south lagged behind.
Yes
May 01st, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We were divided into many nations.
We were forced to live under the oligarchy.
We never invaded sovereign nations for natural resources.
3 major differences indeed...
We?
May 01st, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie, why are you using we?
You don't live in South America by your own words. Would you like the quote?
So who is we?
PS: Everyone be prepared for deflection and no straight answer.
We, the South Americans
May 01st, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As straight as they come :)
Stevie
May 01st, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What did I tell you?
We, the South Americans.
You are not South American. And your ego and hubris prevents you from restraining yourself.
“Yes, I've been to South America on various ocassions, and I never fail visiting your little nation. I especially appreciate the way you guys express your views on public walls”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200711
“Uruguay is too small a country to be on wings, it would be hard to make it rentable.
Still, your nation is doing a great job in the education sector, a friend told me something about finally getting a university in your beloved “interior”. ”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200761
You obviously don't come from a Spanish speaking country:
“If you like me have difficulties with the Spanish language, try inserting the link in google translate.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/20/uruguay-diversifies-energy-mix-with-530-mw-combined-cycle-gas-power-plant#comment200453
“I just translated Moyano's statements on lanacion.com and even if google translate sometimes comes up with weird translations, the headline is hard to misinterpret.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200481
“My Spanish might be rusty, and I confess I'm no good at reading or typing the language, but my understanding of the spoken language is enough to make out that he actually says that in the video.”
en.mercopress.com/2012/12/21/looting-extends-in-argentina-two-people-shot-dead-dozens-injured-in-clashes-with-police#comment200489
And believe me, they definitely are not all straight! Tsk tsk on the generalisations Stevieboy!
Anglolatino
May 01st, 2013 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you are not Australian.
You are a Brit passing as Australian because you are ashamed of being a Brit.
Which is understandable.
Stevie
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's your comeback?
............... I was going to leave that post at that but then thought why not let you hang yourself more.
So your amazing powers of deduction are based on extensive analysis of my posts?
Or wishful thinking?
You won't find me contradicting myself on where I live (Brunswick West), where I study (Melbourne University) and where I work (Craigieburn).
You said you were in Uruguay..... you didn't even narrow down where from an entire country and I've narrowed it down to actual suburbs.
I'll go one better. I live within a 1 minute walk to a Route 55 tram stop.
Check out the times I post. So am I Brit living in Oz or a Brit in Ol' Blighty?
I wider what would happen if you analysed my spelling? Ooohh could I have been that smart? Are you even aware that Australia and Britain have some differing spelling conventions?
C'mon Stevie! You've sold yourself as a hell of a lot more intelligent than this.
So far it is you that have never stated your real nationality or location. At least you have narrowed mine down to a supposed two. Not helping your case here mate!
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