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Malvinas’ radicals protest and pledge to end Lan Chile air link with the Falklands
The Argentine radical group ‘Resistencia Malvinas’ protested on Thursday midday before the Lan Chile offices in downtown Buenos Aires to demand the end of the weekly air link between Punta Arenas and the Falkland Islands. The group led by Toni Lopez and with drums banging displayed banners, distributed pamphlets and burnt Union Jacks. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCheap bastards can't even afford a proper flag, they must have been up all night colouring it in. Nice to see that the Argentine fleet showed up to lend their support.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...gave the order to make sure there was war and peace was the first victim, and that is a war crime”
May 04th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the ARGENTINEAN (not Junta) invasion of the Falklands then...by extension of their logic, this also means anyone refering to the invaders as heroes are also war criminals, glorifying these people that were happy to use violence and aggression as long as they were the biggest bully in the park.
this Lopez seems to be living in a parallel universe where the evidence given by Belgrano's captain and the Argentine navy doesn't exist.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A shame they couldn't afford a proper flag to burn but I guess the cost of flags is going up too fast for poor Argentines to afford, they do end up looking a bit amateur though.
I wonder if Lopez is as vocal about the usurping of native Wichi and Toba lands by Latino Soya farmers and the resulting fatal starvation of their children under the Kirchners? No? thought not. Argentine hypocrites.
What is the prerequisite for membership to this group, looking like tubs of lard comes to mind.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think 'peace was the first victim' when your people invaded the Falkland Islands Tony. You F**king imbecile.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0State sponsored terrorism, it will backfire on them as always.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brainwashing at it's best!
May 04th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they realize burning stuff isn't “peaceful” assembly? At least not in civilized countries
Ooops what am I saying?
Monkeys with guns
what could go wrong?
Sad turds
May 04th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Lard asses of the world unite, join together in Toni's sacred fight.”
May 04th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do we think Toni has an IQ over 50?
May 04th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I Think not...poor Toni.
Well, the islands are in a precarious position regarding direct transport to the continent, so Argentina holds that card, Im sure when the time is right it will be used.
May 04th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely Uruguay or Brazil wont offer alternatives.
I wonder if LAN might ever be bought off, by people with interests in cutting that route, and then folded.
Either way Im pretty sure it'll be under a decade before all flights from SA to the islands are leaving from Buenos Aires.
Then it'll be 'please sir, can I go to... '.
a) That flag doesn't even look like the union flag;
May 04th, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0b) it's not offensive to british people to burn the union flag, as long as you buy it from a british supplier;
c) The Belgranno wasn't neutral shipping, it was a heavily armed naval vessel belonging to a belligerent power that had illegally invaded British territory.
d) The Argentine operation in Spain was outside the neutral shipping exclusion zone too.
e) his definition of what constitutes a war crime is ridiculous.
and e) this man is a brain-addled imbecile.
Argentina needs that flight more than we do, how will they get here if they manage to remove the flight? I would like to stress that Falkland Islanders are not too bothered if the flight fails. It just means that we don't get to go on holiday that way.
May 04th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11vestige
May 04th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Surely Uruguay or Brazil wont offer alternatives.”
Oh, surely not.
Don't make me laugh!
Look at two of today's stories - Argentina pisses off Brazil over trade, Argentina will not cooperate or honour trade agreements with Uruguay.
There is no longer any SA solidarity with Argentina- they've betrayed their two closest partners and Chilé hates them already.
If there is money to be made, someone will step forward.
@11
May 04th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What, three decades not long enough for you? The Yanks took less time to go to the moon.
Why not set yourselves a more realistic target and go there too!
Does the fact they didn't know and continue not to know that the exclusion zone was for the benefit of 'neutral shipping' portray them as being illiterate or just incapable of understanding commonly used terminology?
May 04th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He was right though, peace was nearly at hand, once they sank the Belgrano and all their navy ran for the hills.
Yay!!! Argentina has resorted to terrorism, not just any terrorism but STATE spons0red terrorism, Argentina you really are hoot!!!
May 04th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The worse the home issues for argentina the more The Falklands will enter the arena.......nothing ever changes for backward argentina, does it???
Argentine Govt, Argentine Media, INDEC, Resistencia Malvinas, La Campora arn't they all the same people?
how much is your daily food basket??
Is your power on today??
have you saved your pesos for the overpriced imported gas its going to be a cold winter?
what the unofficial peso-dollar price again?
remind us what is the “Official” :))) inflation rate???
Is this argentinas version of foreplay to woo The Falklands people??
sounds like a party!
I just love the idea that they didn't protest on May 1st because it's a bank holiday!!
May 04th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I told this story Connor's bar last night it brought the house down!!
Absolutely brilliant - you couldn't make it up
11- do please enlighten us with what ever hints and trends you have evidence of to suggest that within just 10 years the only links between S America and the Islands will be through BA?
May 04th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and - as others have said - How will Arg next of kin relatives and war veterans be able to visit the Islands if Lan was forced to stop? After all there will be NO flights coming in from Argentina.
That's cos the lard arses could not get their complementary butties from the local chippy! No chip, egg and bacon butties, no demo, gotta keep their strength up, hard work all that flag burning. Would not want to put a strain on their razor sharp warrior like physiques now would they?
May 04th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The funniest outcome to this would be LAN cutting back on its flights to Argentina, much like the cruise liners did to Ushaia when the argtards started tarding there.
May 04th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11;
May 04th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be interesting to know exactly what/which airspace argentina has the right to deny to anyone. Look at how close the Chilian border is to the Atlantic at the East side of the Straight of Magellan.
Surley that is shared Chilian/argentinian airspace?
Or simply route the flight path round the horn. (air fare will increase, but not by that much i'd imagine)
They are just grasping at straws, they are so impotent they can not do anything else, it hurts their pride.
May 04th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their answer? Drag out Fat Toni and the 1st Lard Arse Special Forces Buffoons.
Wonder how many flags they get to the litre?
The basic truth/reality here is well put in TT's last sentence of post #14.
May 04th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man oh man some one should inform this lunatic senorita Toni that there is a huge difference between scratching your ass and tearing it all apart,Argentina seems to have a long history of such behaviour...One can only smile at the antics performed by these lunatics all sanctioned by their equally insane Gov; in BA...!!
May 04th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 “I wonder if LAN might ever be bought off, by people with interests in cutting that route, and then folded.”
May 04th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you being serious? Chilean owned LAN is one of the most successful airlines (it actually makes a profit), has recently merged with the Brazilian airline TAM and is part of the One World Alliance. Who would buy LATAM (LAN +TAM) just to cancel the one weekly flight from Chile to the Falklands? The Argentine government? They don't have the money to maintain their own airline and are about to suffer an economic collapse. A friend of the Argentine government? Who would that be?
Even if your fantasy came true - and that is highly unlikely - the Falkland Islander would survive well enough and the Island would still not be Argentine.
One thing you can guarantee is that Work-shy Toni will find another reason to sit around a burning flag to avoid work.
As #22 has already pointed out, if Argentina closes it's airspace to the LAN flight, it can just fly south around Argentine airspace- by my rough calculation extending the flight from about 850km to about 1100km. Given that most of the aircraft in the LAN fleet have ranges of at least 6000km and in some cases substantially more, this is perfectly achievable even allowing for diversion airports- for example a fully fuelled aircraft departing Punta Arenas and arriving over Mount Pleasant to find it closed by bad weather could easily fly back not only to PA but to Santiago or any of the several suitable Chilean airports inbetween.
May 04th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So while it's a convenience for LAN to fly over Argentina and save the 250km or 20 mins flying time each way, it's hardly essential- the simple fact is that flying to the Falklandsfrom Chile does not require Argentine permission.
All very well, but the flights remain as an unstable situation, with considerable conditions in Arg's favor.
May 04th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theres a lot of 'what ifs' and 'thens' but the over-arcing long term elements are a long Arg coast, continental relations which dwarf the islands diplomatically and a long tradition in Argentina which is fixed on eventually controlling the islands.
Theres plenty of time as I cant see the next generation having any very different opinion on the subject of the islands, and any change (inevitable. planned or otherwise) on so many levels shuffles the deck with the numbers strongly in Arg favor.
Basically Arg only has to get lucky once, a diplomatic trade off or gesture from Chile, a new Chilean president with different views, Mercosur decides to flex, maybe Christina's replacement decides to just boldly say 'nope' to lan travelling through Arg airspace* (might get a few votes in an election), maybe LAN just go bust or have their licence pulled.
Endless variables over plenty of time, the important thing is that the key elements push in Arg's favor.
*big diplomatic reaction but I can't see any military conflict coming out of that. Mostly cause it would be un-winnable for GB.
@26;
May 04th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that this has any bearing on the subject, but is that not a white star with a red line under it I see in the BA 'one world' line-up?
http://www.oneworld.com/
@28 You do know that the LAN flight is not the only air link with the Falklands don't you?
May 04th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is the Falkland Islands are not and never will be Argentine. Cutting one flight a week won't change the situation so I think you are probably clutching at the wrong straw.
Mmmm! I wonder, do Argentine radicals carry that much clout with Chile?
May 04th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For that matter, do any Argentines carry any clout with Chile?
@28 Vestige
May 04th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comments baffle me.
Why would the termination of the 1 flight a week by LAN cause the Falkland Islanders to put their collective hands up and surrender to Argentine occupation?
Apart from what has already been suggested about LAN flying around Argentina's airspace you also forget that ST Helena's new airport will be open in a couple of years and although 3800 miles away would involve a flight time of between 7 and 8 hours. No more than the flight time of holidaymakers flying from the UK to Florida. A pain in the bum yes but a game changer - no way.
You seem to assume that the Falkland Islanders are desperate for the LAN link to be kept open whereas I suspect they aren't all that bothered by that or your silly posturing and pouting.
ElaineB has it right you are clutching at the wrong straw but then I suppose it's the only one you have.
@30:
May 04th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheaper than I thought see link.
I think I'll jump on that Rio flight for a visit!!
http://www.falklandislands.com/section.php/18/1/by_air
I think they have now become so desperate for American currency, the government has ordered them to lay off the cruise industry and target something else that does not lose them revenue.
May 04th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It will be interesting to see if they continue their campaign against the cruise lines.
If they do not, it's further evidence of just who is orchestrating this lot. If any further evidence was needed that is!
Of course, there was an occasion when a small island nation in the north-east atlantic was completely cut off from all of continental Europe for over 4 years, and had to conduct all it's international trade and communications with or via countries much further afield. It was costly and inconvenient, but they still ultimately triumphed over the agressor nation that caused that isolation.
May 04th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“Surely Uruguay or Brazil wont offer alternatives.”“””
May 04th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surely you are not so naive as to think that neighbouring countries will miss out on Falklands petro-dollars for the sake of an Argentine propaganda piece?
Surely you are not so naive to think that they wont find a way around things whatever happens?
Surely you are not so naive to think they cant fly to another international airport in friendlier territory?
Surely you are so VERY anive to think that CFK will still be in power? Or that every following president will be as stupid?
oh, actually, scrub that last one.
@28vestige
May 04th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestige
What is the point you are trying to make?
Are you saying,“The Falklanders should give up their identity, freedom, and homes, now because in the far nebulous future, someone might make it difficult to live there by cutting an air link”?
That future might include a close relationship with Chilé leading to becoming a Province, or it may mean a future where there are regular flights between Montevideo and the Falklands, as Montevideo becomes a hub for those want to avoid the lawlessness, protests, victimisation, and taxes of a destitute and totalitarian Argentina.
Brazil is likely to be more friendly too, as Dilma and Brazil have been used and lied to by Argentina, while at the same time they have abandoned Mercosur and are profitably trading with US, UK, EU, and Asia.
Many possible futures - tying ones fortunes to the future of Argentina sounds foolhardy.
I imagine that every time this issue comes up, it's not only in the Falkands where attitudes harden even further. I suspect that LAN and the Chilean govt are heartily sick of being told what to do, or it being suggested that they will meekly accept whatever Argentina orders them to do regarding the air link. Both LAN and the Chilean govt have thier own minds and will almost certianly do what suits THEM, not Argentina. That includes maintaining the flight which in addition to its other uses also serves the population of expat Chileans in the islands. Demands from Argentina to cease the air link are merely likely to harden the resolve in Chile to maintain it, if only to show that they will not be dictated to over the issue by Argentina.
May 04th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must be the end of the cruise season, Toni won't get paid unless he finds something else to vandalize.
May 04th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Speaking after the peaceful protest Lopez said this was the third time they had marched before the Lan Chile offices, and will continue to do so for the rest of the year every Wednesday until “Chile understands it must cut all links with the Malvinas usurpers; it’s time they support with practical actions Argentina’s sovereignty claim over the Malvinas”.
May 04th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So every Wednesday for the rest of the year the people there can watch some people with no jobs burning things in the street.
Sounds like riveting entertainment.
I don't believe they will even turn up every Wednesday, and I don't think they will manage it until the end of the year.
Do you think gold fish get bored eventually just swimming round the same bowl?
Perhaps these guys have the same attention span, so they might well be capable of repeating that same ritual every Wednesday and not become bored by it.
@11 “the islands are in a precarious position regarding direct transport to the continent”. And what makes you think that the Islanders are “desperate” for direct transport to the continent? Direct transport to an invader, occupier and universally hostile place occupied by corrupt, lying criminals? I think not.
May 04th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LAN being “bought off”? I think not. LAN has more money than argieland. “Either way Im pretty sure it'll be under a decade before all flights from SA to the islands are leaving from Buenos Aires.” To be shot down as they enter the EEZ. and who will be buying tickets for a “death flight”?
@28 Please. Noticed that the UK is building a new airport on St Helena? Noticed that flights already arrive on the Falklands from the UK? Noticed that flights could start from Southern Africa? Noticed that, in 1982, argieland thought UK wouldn't or couldn't arrive to recover the Falklands. But we did, didn't we? You're whistling in the wind. WE will do what it takes. Whatever it costs. But you should try some comparisons. The UK is capable of destroying EVERY latino country. One by one. Or all together. We may try to be “legal”. Or we may just destroy you. And, at the bottom line, there are those nuclear ICBMs.
Trust us. There is nothing in argieland that is of sufficient worth to stop us launching them. But we've got lots before that. A navy more than twice the size of yours. An incredibly more capable and combat-experienced army. An air force more than four times the size. You will be DESTROYED. The people of Britain will demand it. Hitler thought he could “force” the UK. He died and Nazi Germany was destroyed. That's your future.
@39 I remember CFK going to see Pinera and begging them to cancel the LAN flight. She even proclaimed there would be a major announcement, followed by silence and her quick retreat to Argentina. The LAN flight continued as before.
May 04th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41;
May 04th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just fire a Tomahawk in to the Casa Rosada on 25th May.
Christ, that would be funny, I'd pay good money to see that........
Toni, I know you read these articles. Go take a long bath and this time use the soap. You little smelly bastard.
May 04th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vestigio:
May 04th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a strange world you live in!
Do you honestly believe the tripe you wrote @ #11 and #28?
Don't you realise that the only importance of the LAN flight is to the Chilean/Falklands community and the families of the Argentine war dead?
90% of the Falkland Islanders couldn't give a damn about the LAN airlink, they don't need the Continent, thet look to the East and North East and the MoD airlink is quite sufficient, and if it becomes saturated then the Miami airlink will be activated. Understand, Vestigio, we have absolutely NO hold over the Islands!!!!!
Vestige you seem to forget the Islands already have an air link to the UK, cutting the LAN link would be a pain for the islanders in the short term but not an insurmountable one and as pointed out it would hurt Chileans working on the islands and Argentine families visiting their sons graves the most. There isn't a snowballs chance in hell of the islanders accepting a link to BA as an alternative if it was the result of the cancellation of the LAN link. In the short term extra flights would be laid on from the UK and in the medium to long term the suggested links to Miami and St Helena/South Africa would be started. The islanders have already adapted to the Argentine sponsored blockade of Falkland flagged ships and have improved their container handling facilities. Once the new deep water port is finished fast RoRo/container ships operating to America or South Africa will move in to support the oil/gas industryr and the islands. All this does is make the islanders isolate themselves even more from South America with alternatives and increase their hatred of the Argentine bullies trying to dictate their lives.
May 04th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody recognise whether TMBOA has any of these:
May 04th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0• Delays in oral language development
• Deficits in memory skills
• Difficulty learning social rules
• Difficulty with problem solving skills
• Delays in the development of adaptive behaviors such as self-help or self-care skills
• Lack of social inhibitors
I think she has at least FOUR.
Then under the WHO rules she is MENTALLY RETARDED. I could have deduced that from her actions without the need of the checklist.
Mental retardation (MR) or general learning disability as it was called and is now frowned upon, is about to be replaced by ‘intellectual development disorder’ in a vain effort to reduce the stigma associated with being an imbecile.
But trust the health insurance paperwork to stick with the true and tried definition in order to ‘reduce mistakes’ in understanding the diagnosis!
Vestige- as others have put it to you on here - you relaly are barking up a tree- that has been well pissed on as well!
May 04th, 2013 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- the Lan flight is NOT Argentina,s to cancel - the ONLY way Arg can interfere with it is by withdrawing airspace overflight permit - and that so far your president has shrunk away from as she knows it would point the international finger of international human rights interference at HER and nobody else.
2 - She tried a year ago the persuade Lan to drop the route- even attempted to bribe them by interfereinf with their landin scedules in BA on other routes- Lan refused and she chickened out of doint “1” above.
3 - The previous Chilean President (and who may well be their next again) - maintained good relations with the Islands and being a socilasist of a sort is hardly likley to want to abandon several hundred Chileans living and working here who like to have travel connections with their homeland and relatives.
4 Arg Veterans organization is supportive of the Lan link via RGL and has told Christina they want it to stay.
5 - As Islanders - it would be a bit inconvenient initially - but we have other options anyway so basically could not give a ****** if it was stopped .
We realise that Lan would not fly to us avoiding Arg airspace - they could indeed do so - but would then probabaly loose most of their business in Argentina as a result.
BUT flights from anywhere in S America north of the Islands would NOT go through Arg airspace nor depend in any way on Argentina approvong them.
So do please tell us why we should fear anything?
Actually the St Helena airport is not long enough to allow flights of the aircraft size needed to fly to here - does not matter anyway as perfectly good runway on nearby Ascencion that we do use.
So do please get into the real world - and have some sympathy for the ARGENTINES working in the Lan Offices in BA who may feel intimidated and threatened by the little bunch of loonies.
@11 Once St Helena's airport and runway are finished the need for LAN flights will cease to exist anyway, so suck on that numbnuts
May 04th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48,49 Yurp, the big issue with St Helena is that the runway will be too short to even have long haul flights within Africa. Even flying directly to South Africa will be out of the question for them. Flying all the way across the South Atlantic without a runway to divert to requires special certification and all sorts of nonsense. Your best bet is Ascension but Wideawake isn't a public airport (the USA don't want this) so you cannot fly non-military flights through there.
May 04th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It sounds like fantasy, but we're on the edge of none of this being an issue. Technologies like reaction engine's 'Skylon' are about 15 to 20 years away and make a flight from London about 2-3 hours.
If I was the FIG government, I'd be waiting for these technologies to mature and making myself the nearest airport to the Antarctic as people will be coming in droves when they do.
Such a lack of imagination again from backward argentines with their repetitive flag burning is it meant to mean anything other than confirming they have limited creativity ?
May 04th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0where as me, I take my argentine flag (made in UK) piss on it and pick up my dogs runny shit up with it fold it up and stamp on it creating beautiful butterfly patterns, work of god damn art if you ask me! and dare I say it I believe it has improved the look of the argentine flag to boot!
come on argtards a bit more thought while insulting wouldn't go amiss, flag burning is for misguided islamic radicals and deluded backward folk of S.A,
its obvious argentina has a grudge with anything that has the union jack on it (except aid of course), so how are they going to feel when an F35B roars past B.A painted in the union jack, kinda puts flag burning to shame really, but carry on because The UK knows that's all argentina can and will ever be able to do, flag burning wooooooooo, scary!!!!!......
OK there were probably about 6 fat,ugly out of work Argentines at this demonstration take a look at the photos with a couple police watching and a fire engine to douse the burning tyers
May 04th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/resistenciamalvinas2013/photos_stream
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May 04th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that “Gorgeous Toni” with what passes as a bull horn?
some of the passers by in the pics are like what the f.... going on here it really does look so stupid and childish I would love an Argentine to come on and try and explain why there fellow citizens are behaving like oppressed Arabs with there flag burning
May 04th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Vestige
May 04th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Presumably you would agree that in the next 30 years there is effectively no chance whatsoever of a) the islanders handing themselves over to BA, b) the UK forcing the islanders into subjugation, c) Argentina winning sovereignty at the ICJ or d) Argentina winning another war? Given that the world is now a very different place to how it was 30 years ago and will be even more different in another 30 years then why do you think anything is inevitable? Your “only has to be lucky once” reference is interesting - the originators of that phrase thought they would achieve their dream of a United Ireland in the 1970s. 40 years later 3,500 people are dead but Britain and Ireland are at peace, Ireland has dropped its claim and power-sharing in NI gives everyone their say. With the internet, the FIs have never been more connected to the rest of the world. In 82, HMG needed radio hams to confirm the invasion, today the ordinary citizen can listen to Falklands radio and read Penguin News at the same time as the islanders. They are better connected to the rest of the world than ever before. As a result the UN will be less inclined to see them trampled over. I can no more predict the future than you can but I know enough history to know that life rarely works out the way you expect it to.
Lots of noise, I don't see anything incorrect in my comment at no. 28
May 04th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still think that if Arg manages to time and play its diplomacy well it can end up controlling all commercial flights between south America and the islands. Will this happen? - well Arg wants it to, and will potentially go on wanting to for a generation at least from what I can tell.
So effectively its Arg rolling the dice every day. Probability is that one day the right number will come up under given conditions.
And its such a finicky little issue with no importance or value to other S.A countries, but known as a big issue to Arg, so in S.A political terms it would be practically irreversible.
One unanimous Mercosur agreement would be all it would take.
All commercial air travel west via Buenos Aires.
St. Helena - ? ...well a 6000 km diversion flight would be a bit of a sacrifice if you wanted to get to some other part of S.America.
I expect rants.
(and threats of nuclear war).
@28
May 04th, 2013 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but I can't see any military conflict coming out of that. Mostly cause it would be un-winnable for GB.”
Really?
In 1982 the Argentine forces had comparable kit to the UK, the advantage of taking the Islands only 400 miles away, a superior number of troops and still lost.
Now, Argentina's Navy has not advanced from 1982 and you may have noticed many Argentine ships tend to sink in port or break down frequently, not under combat conditions, that's just while sailing.
Their military aircraft remain the same with the exception that most have had to be withdrawn from service through old age. If you are seriously suggesting Argentina's most modern warplanes, the Fighting Hawks (revamped 1950s aircraft) are a match for the Typhoon, you are in for a huge dissapointment.
If you seriously believe that Argentinas army are going to have an impact against UK forces who regularly have to fight against the Taliban, and for who a Falklands posting is, whilst not R &R , a training exercise, again I suggest you will be dissapointed.
Is he sane? Or is he just looking for attention?
May 04th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 Gordo1
May 04th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Is he sane? Or is he just looking for attention?”
No, he's a very naughty boy.
And an argie imbecile who believes the likes of Putridjelli, Dunny-Burger and of course The Biggest Liar On MP.
I think Vestige suffers from an affliction common in many Argentines. They believe they are the superior country in South America and everyone wants to be like them, they are the better at everything and God loves them best. It is part of the nationalist brainwashing. It is actually interesting to observe.
May 04th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can remember taking a Chilean friend to Argentina for the first time. He had met many Argentines in the course of his work in Chile but for some reason never actually travelled over the Andes. After a few days he remarked that it was nothing like he had imagined based on the picture painted by Argentines. They are considerably poorer, he remarked. He is, of course, correct.
As many people discover, Argentines are living off past glories and cannot accept that they have no influence anymore. They probably still had some a few years ago but CFK has shafted her closed allies and with Chavez dead they have nothing but a failed country.
Sincerely, you have your perspective all wrong.
May 04th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very clear that the Argentine government is planning to go ahead with pushing LAN aside and taking over the exclusive right to fly to what they claim is their territory. LAN is in a difficult position as CFK can retaliate by cutting off their other routes across Argentina.
Argentine government spokesperson, Juan Carlos Mancini, elaborated that Aerolineas Argentinas would be acquiring three fully refurbished jet aircraft capable of operating the route. In an earlier announcement, Alicia Castro, Ambassador to the United Kingdom mentioned that current plans of Aerolineas Argentinas will make the current LAN service no longer necessary. With the new flight service to Mount Pleasant, this will facilitate easier and more timely service “Argentina is committed to its territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution with an opportunity to improve communications and the quality of life to the Islanders.”
My error, Lan don't fly through Argentine airspace.
May 04th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The speculation about it not being militarily possible for GB to maintain a given fictional flight through Argentine airspace, Ill maintain.
A successful invasion of Argentina would be needed for that, which would not be possible for the royal navy.
56 Vestige
May 04th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There might, possibly, come a day when Argentina can exert some pressure on Chile and cause the LAN flight to cease.
What I am failing to see is how this makes a flight to BA from the Falklands more likely.
It will never happen. We won't agree to it, and you can't make us. We'll just get a flight to Miami instead.
I'd be quite sad; I like South America. Unfortunately for you, your governments policy of hindering trade between the FI and South America means that we have been looking elsewhere for quite some time now. The ones who will suffer most are South American people working in the Falklands, and bereaved families visiting the cemetary.
Vestige- as already pointed out St Helena runway is to short - will take an A320 not longhaul.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lan do indeed fly through Arg airspace.
Charter flights have come in from time to time from Uruguay and Brazil - 2 from Montevideo just last weekend - that Arg probably never even knows about and does not need to be informed about as they do not use arg airspace.
Chicuerero- we sorted out last time that Aerolineas may fly in its dreams - but will NOT be flying to the Islands for many many years - if ever!
Vestige has swallowed another Argie lie whole. There are so many he has to swallow like a cheap whore.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The LAN flight is PERMITTED by the islanders, and is mostly for South Americans working on the islands and Argentines visiting the cemetery. Clearly Islanders use it, as it allows them to access a friendly SA country and beyond.
If the LAN flight is cancelled the islanders will use an alternative...no problem for them, not so good for the South Americans though.
There will be no Argentine replacement, any plane without islands permission entering its airspace will be shot down.
Ok all that other stuff aside, the constant desire and possibility for Argentina to exert influence within mercosur to be the sole commercial provider between the islands and s.american mercosur countries remains.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will conditions fall in Argentine favor this year? - maybe.
Year after that? ....after that?...after that?
(im sure not everyone can afford to fly via Miami)
61 Chicureo
May 04th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro is well aware, as you no doubt are too, that her suggestion is guaranteed to infuriate Falkland Islanders, and has no hope of happening. It his not her place to tell us that the LAN flight is not 'necessary', and she knows it.
She probably thinks this is cunning diplomacy, when it is actually crude and obvious posturing.
I feel so much negativism in these posts...
May 04th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who on earth would want to fly on LAN to Southern Chile, when they can in a shorter period fly to the Paris of SouthAmerica?
AA is promising only the very best for the islanders with multiple flights from BA each week.
Chile is a forgotten backwater of South America. Plus, I can't imagine anyone really wanting another Pisco Sour forced upon them.
Chicureo - Im feeling quite positive.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paris of South America hahaha - a graffiti defaced dump surrounded by slums more like! About the only safe place is the dockside restaurants. Cartoneros stumbling about the streets after dark. Have you been to Paris lately?
May 04th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 Chicureo
May 04th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''I can't imagine anyone really wanting another Pisco Sour forced upon them.'''
That is why you fail.
We love the Chileans, for their many sterling qualities, but mainly because they aren't Argentines.
Do you really think Chile looks like a 'forgotten backwater' to a Falkland Islander? Are you mad?
Your politicians are barking up the wrong tree with this one. So are you, and so is your feeble sock puppet. The point is, you don't get to decide. You have absolutely no rights, no forum to influence us, and no way of knowing what is 'best' for us. Just move on, there's nothing for you here.
Where all the Muslims are? No thank you.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm just reporting the news.
As I've mentioned before, I'm not in favor of flying a AA Tu-154 over a LAN 767, but the Tu- 154 has a proven saftey record.
Have you ever been to Punta Arenas?
Well?
wtf have Muslims got to do with anything, you loony.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course I've been to Punta. The Falklands even has an embassy there. I bet you didn't know that.
Vestige etc you are still not making any sense.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just do not understand why you think that if Argentina blackmails LAN into stopping the weekly flight to the Falkland Islands that the Falkland Islanders will then allow Argentine aircraft to just fly in as if nothing was happenning other than a change of carrier.
If you haven't gathered it by now let me spell it out for you:-
1. The Falkland Islanders despise you and everything Argentine
2.They don't trust you.
3. They have learned from experience that you are all liars
4.They learned in 1982 (and since) that the Argentines regard the Falkland Islanders with contempt
5.They are well aware that Argentina is rapidly going down the toilet
etc. etc.
Given all that and knowing that the Brits will support them come what may and also knowing that the Brit armed forces are so much superior to the comic opera Argentine forces why, why, why, why do you imagine that Argentina has any future chance of occupying the Falkland Islands.
I suggest you stop taking the drugs they have destroyed every aspect of your common sense - if you ever had any that is.
Consulate maybe, embassy no.
May 04th, 2013 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the press: An Argentine government spokesperson elaborated that Aerolinias Argentinas would be acquiring three Tupolev 154 modern aircraft to service the route. With a cruising speed of 975 kilometres per hour (606 mph), the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5,280 kilometres (3,280 mi). Capable of operating from unpaved and gravel airfields, it was widely used in extreme Arctic conditions where other airliners were unable to operate and where service facilities were very basic.
Aerolineas Argentinas will eventually include a connecting non-stop flight from Buenos Aries to London via a new proposed fleet of Tupovev 404 jumbo airliners to facilitate and timely access for passengers originating and arriving at Mount Pleasant. The changeover to an exclusive Tupolev fleet for Aerolineas Argentinas is part of the current government’s strategy to offset trade swap in goods instead of depending on obtaining international credit allowing for a complete modernization of the fleet. The TU154 connecting with the forth coming TU404 service will prove that Argentina is committed to its territorial inhabitants best needs and remains serious about its promises for a peaceful solution.
I don't know if eliminating service from LAN Chile is a good idea, but the Argentines seem sincere... Plus, maybe this is the time to give CFK another chance to show that she only has the islander's best interests at heart.
@75
May 04th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're a complete idiot - the Tupolev 404 was a concept aircraft that didn't make it past a doodle on the toilet walls.
Who in their right mind would take any notice of an Argentine Government spokesman - certainly not the Falkland Islanders
You must be taking the same drugs as Vestige
Silly Darragh,
May 04th, 2013 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The TU-404 is simply a code name for the next generation Russian Jumbo liner that is expected to be announced in the third quarter of 2014.
In the meantime, connections will be though an wide range of options for the islanders, including British Airways.
Darragh - you've provided responses to things I didn't say. Strange.
May 04th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, hypothetically, nobody would even want to force aerolinas on the islanders, if they didn't want a link with SA then fair enough.
Though I feel they would end up wanting it in the end.
75 Chicureo
May 04th, 2013 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''I don't know if eliminating service from LAN Chile is a good idea, but the Argentines seem sincere.''
Well of course you don't know. How could you? Fortunately, we have our own government that can make these kinds of decisions for us and with us.
CFK has had plenty of chances to show us whether she has our interests at heart. So far she has insulted us, ignored us, tried to wreck our economy...We know what she thinks of us.
And actually, we don't care.
I know I'm repeating myself, but the day when any Argentine government will decide what is best for us will never come.
You fail to understand all the benefits an Argentinian direct link will provide the islanders. Without violence, and certainly with an open embrace, Agrentina offers you a chance to integrate your society with the motherland. Eventually, when the CFK government solves the minor economic problems of the nation, the inhabitants of the Malvinas will enjoy all the benefits of being a part of being a South American, and not a colonist.
May 05th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicoreo 80- If I flew on AA and had to become part of a country I do not want to belong to I would indeed then be a colonial subject!
May 05th, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today and for the forseable future I am NOT - and I and the others here are free to change it to Independence if WE wish to one day in future.
A miami route would suit folks from the US and Canada etc and maybe Aust=Nz perhaps - but 90% of the longhaul passenger flight into and out of the Islands are to and from UK and Europe.
On that route we currently have 2 flights a week, by end 2014 there will be at least one more flight a week on that route, possibly another 2 a week.
On top of that we have 2 cargo ships a month on that route.
Someone needs to explain to Chicuero that the Falkland Islands don't have a “motherland”.
May 05th, 2013 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0A mother country perhaps but not a motherland.
I can't believe they are still burning flags.
May 05th, 2013 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Flag desecration is an extreme sign of disrespect, it says “we captured your flag and we have so little respect for you we are not going to negotiate its return and you are too impotent and weak to stop us.”
Unfortunately this group are too dim to realise this is all based upon the presupposition that they had captured the flag. Making it yourself or buying it conveys a different message it says “we are too cowardly to try and capture your flag so we are going to burn our own and pretend we captured yours because we are self delusional.”
Argentina - welcome to the world of the ignorant and delusional.
@80
May 05th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo,
Is it true that none other tban Toni Lopez is a major shareholder in Aerolineas Argentinas?
That thanks to his links with the Russians, he's known as Tupolev Toni in Argentine aviation circles?
That he used to be a cabin steward at one time with, guess who, Alicia Castro?
I think we should be told.
Chicwhatsit/ Toby/ Nostril you are totally barking.. idiot :-)
May 05th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@83 - RICO
May 05th, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe the 'flag' they are burning isn't even the Union Flag. It's dimensions are all wrong!
They obviously don't believe in the cause enough to buy a proper flag (cheapskates), and they obviously can't be arsed getting the dimensions of the Union Flag correct when making it themselves, Blue Peter style.
Maybe their hearts really aren't in it.
Besides, even if they weren't cheapskate lazy sods, and actually bought a Union Flag to burn, they would only be burning their flag, because they bought it! Even the Iranians bought proper flags to burn.
They certainly don't understand British mentality when it comes to the Union Flag. Some facist wannabe burning it doesn't cause outrage in the UK. In fact most people in the UK believe these people are too pathetic for words. It's a bit of cloth. The meaning and significance of that flag doesn't diminish because some idiots burn it.
I wonder, however, how Argentina would react if a bunch of British protestors burnt the Argentine flag?
It'd probably be front page news, in Argentina, whilst Cristina would be sobbing and outraged over it, whilst trying to milk it for all it was worth.
I mean she shamelessly uses the war dead for her own political ends. No British politician that did that would survive very long.
It would certainly show the difference between a grown up progressive, country, and a backwards childish country.
www.bfdc.co.uk/.../royal_marines_hoist_union_flag.html - Cached
May 05th, 2013 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps fat Toni and his boys should try burning this one.
@87;
May 05th, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cracker. No wonder its sold out!!
@77 Chicklit
May 05th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me get this straight
In 1991 Tupolev came up with a concept aircraft called the Tu404 which went nowhere
But 22 years later they are using the same name for a secret long-range jumbo that only you and an unnamed Argentine minister know about.
Unless you can provide some links to PROVE (as opposed to waffle about) this nonsense then I stand by my earlier assertion - you are an IDIOT
#77 Chickerell... These protests are a waste of time as British airways have announced they are opening a new circular route with their new A380.This will run from London to Cape Town, Mount Pleasant to London. This service replaces the London Cape town route. And a second service is running in the opposite direction every other day. This replaces the daily 747 flight to Capetown
May 05th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! dio
May 05th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0they are not “Tupolev” else “Tupamaros” pilots on “Pucaras” ha ha
Anyway FI ruined by its won govt. stupidity.
They could be an important province of Argentina prosperous and with a lot of investment that they will ever dreamed about it.
But not, they want to keep poor living standards in Shantytown houses and waving UnionJunk flag.
You cannot find anyone more idiot in this world I guess...
I can remember flying to Gibraltar in 1961 when Franco closed Spanish airspace to flights destined there. All that happened was that we went out to sea and flew in international airspace. It was slightly longer but had no effect on the flights..
May 05th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Flying to N.Cyprus, my flight had to land in Turkey, stay on the ground for one hour and then take off for Nicosia as an internal flight from Turkey. A detour, but no great inconvenience.
LAN could re route to the south and fly to the Falklands that way. A bit longer and more costly. However, with their oil wealth, I am sure the Falklanders could afford a subsidy to LAN to make up the revenue shortfall.
Argentina are soon going to control all west bound flights from the islands.
May 05th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Accept the AA flights or not it will still be win win.
#93
May 05th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Explain. How are they going to control ALL west bound flights if they stay in international airspace ?
@91 Dany duhhhh
May 05th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still playing the court jester then?
You want to make the FI prosperous do you - what like Argentina?
Please supply links to pics of slums and shanty towns on FI so that they can be compared to pics of slums and shanty towns in Argentina
But it is at least honest of you to admit that the FI has it's own goverment.
Is there some part of this that I am missing?
May 05th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or am I correct in thinking that some “Argentines” on here seem to believe that all they ahve to do to create tw-way flight operations from the Falklands is to unilaterlaly decide to do so?
DO they honestly and seriously think that it has nothing to do with the FIG?
I mean... it is delusional... plain delusional.
YOU NEED AGREEMENT WITH THE FIG!
@93 Typical Argentine push push push, NO flights from Argentina, NEVER. Take the hint!
May 05th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Clyde15
May 05th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! clayde I love how you so easily can resolve the logistic and strategy problems of little FI.
If Argentina refuses the use its air space will be not the same as your tale of the closing air space during Franco era in Spain.
The proportion would be if Franco closed the air space of the 70% of the EU plus surrendering waters.
Current distance from FI to Punta Arenas in a direct flight passing over ARG air space 777 km or 483 miles.
So if they have to trace a new route no passing over Argentina air space they will have in between 1.600km to 2000km.
From FI to Uruguay 1.979km.
But if SA solidarity goes on the closer airport will be in Africa I guess.
FI in the right water and in the left Argentina ha ha
So I guess that you have to be really stupid to fight with your giant neighbour.
Is he rambling on about the giant neighbour that had it's ass comprehensively kicked in 1982? Or is he rambling on about that other Argentinian myth, South American solidarity?
May 05th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Either way, neither seems to be much to be concerned about.
As for the stupidity comment, I was always told if you want the correct information, consult an expert and he is certainly an expert on the subject of stupidity!
@99 Reality Check
May 05th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He must be, that's why the Falkland Islanders and UK aren't worried. Argentina is all mouth and no trousers.
Part of me hopes that the Argentines try and send an aircraft to Mount Pleasant. I guarantee they'll run out of aircraft before we run out of missiles. ;)
Haha DanyBerger - giant neighbour with pea sized brain (and pea sized dick by all accounts ) Anyway, when Patagonia breaks away after Rglands financial holocaust it will undoubtedly join the British Commonwealth like Uruguays new government is planning.
May 05th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#84
May 05th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hans
It makes perfect sense. Russia has made enourmous subsidies (above and below the table) to several third world countries. This and the corrupt Argentinean government that doesn't have conventional lines of credit, clearly outlines why the Tu-154 is being acquired as no one in their right mind would want one.
“Ladies and gentleman this is your captain speaking, those yellow balls of light passing down the left side of our plane are RAF 30 mm cannon shells, regrettably we will not now be landing at Los Islas Malvinas International Airport and will be diverting back to BA. Shortly, cabin crew will be passing amongst you with complimentary AA rolls of toilet paper and wet wipes. Thank you for flying with AA and apologise for these totally predictable set of circumstances.”
May 05th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Im curious why San Juan, Puerto Rico isn't favored over Miami as an alternative transit point to the Falklands rather then Miami. It is one of the major hubs for SA air traffic and somewhat closer then Miami......
May 05th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But if SA solidarity goes on the closer airport will be in Africa I guess.”
May 05th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But if SA solidarity goes on the closest friendly nation for Argentina will be in Africa I guess.
Fixed that for ya Dany ¬_¬
My guess would be Ghana, after all they have such an amicable relationship given all the compliments they were paying the last time they had an association with the country.
May 05th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#98
May 05th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your vote of confidence. I am always available to correct your palpable ignorance.
Punta Arenas to the Falklands by air is approximately 1140 km.
This is staying 12 miles from Argentinian airspace - the extent of their authority - distance from Stanley to P. Arenas 900 km.
Difference 240 km. or 150 miles.
Unless your distances are based on a fictitious figure instead of the international limit of 12 miles or 20 km.
Please explain your 2000 km figure.
By the way, I checked on the international airspace figure with my brother who was the Chief Inspector of Air Traffic Control for Scotland - care to disagree ?
But of course, you are the expert on all military and aviation matters, I forgot - silly me !
@98 Are you serious?
May 05th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 02000km is only 1250miles - the same roughly as London to Helsinki - 2 1/2 hour flight.
Inconvenient but hardly a game changer is it? Plus how are the Argentinian relatives going to visit their fallen sons? Don't suppose your wonderful regime gives that much thought - unless there is a propaganda angle to exploit.
@107 108 go easy on him lads he's easily confused and not very clever
May 05th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 Chicureo
May 05th, 2013 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second weekend same bait. ; )
Perhaps the Antonov 24 would be suitable - can operate in worst of terrain.
http://youtu.be/rzQz1ZkNJS8
Indeed, a suitable landing site has been identified -
http://youtu.be/rzQz1ZkNJS8
Well if they ever do invade again, I hope he's leading them, they will come ashore in Iceland (-:
May 05th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or Greenland! :D
May 05th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahaha, mainland brits fall again and again into the Tupolev trap...
May 05th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0friendly fire-alert!
Heads down, Chicureo!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tVrEl3J2GjE/UPONfX-rQLI/AAAAAAAAFdQ/CWx3xqK-cco/s1600/sheldon-sarcasm.png
Chicureo, The Master of the wind up. Revisiting this one, seems like you have not read it before, like some of us mainland Brits.
May 05th, 2013 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a particular fan, loved the one on Sino/Argentine commerce deals.
@104: “Im curious why San Juan, Puerto Rico isn't favored over Miami as an alternative transit point to the Falklands rather then Miami. It is one of the major hubs for SA air traffic and somewhat closer then Miami......”
May 05th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MIA is a hub for American Airlines (a One World member -- same as LAN and British Airways) and LAN Cargo, and also a a “global business” destination. There are more jumping off points from there than SJU.
so now we will call them criminals thieves and lawless,
May 05th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no respect for others,
and we are told they are civilised and ok to trust,
we would rather trust a rattle snake..
Alright, I truly feel as some of you are trying to “kill the messenger”, but for those who have an open mind, there are several reasons why the Argentinian goverment is choosing Russian aircraft, beside the fact that Tu-154 are basically being “given” to AA and certainly there are special “rebates”to CFK's government, but also as Argentina is planning to abandon Boeing and Airbus to transition to Russian manufacture that is recovering after the fall of the USSR.
May 05th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Excerpts from RIA Novosti) – The giant Russian UAC will realize seven projects proposed by the Russian aircraft industry, including the Sukhoi Superjet 100 currently in production, MS-21, the ll-389, the Su-200, the Ir-81, the MS 28 and the Tu-404. (by Sukhoi, Irkut, Ilyushin and Tupolev).
The Tupolev assembly aircraft plant has been designated as the lead builder of Russia's re entry into the jumbo category with the proposed TU-404 which is targeted for the 300plus passenger capacity that should begin production by the end of this decade. The 404 will use four of the domestically designed PD-14 engines that will go into testing by the third quarter of 2014. Manufactured by the United Engine-Building Corporation (UEC), these fourth generation generation engine is Russia’s first domestic development in the area of civilian engine-building for the last 25 years. Russia has invested 70 billion rubles ($2.26 billion) in the development of the engine.
“At present, the engine is being prepared for tests on an Il-76-based airborne testing lab, scheduled to take place in 2014,” UEC spokesperson Anastasia Denisova said. The engine is expected to be certified in 2015 and go into production in 2016.
The deliveries of MS-21 will start in 2017.
AA have requested that the aircraft keep their Russian livery, especially the flag. Can not for the life of me think why?
May 05th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like their very serious, and will force their hand. They want LAN and the RAF flights stopped.
May 05th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Malvinas cause is the symbol of national unity and will only come to an end when Argentina has the definitive and full possession of the Islands, which includes air and ship services. “ President Cristina Fernandez “is prepared to exhaust all resources”. The Malvinas dispute will not be over until Argentina has full and definitive possession of the Malvinas and the Argentine flag flies in the Islands.”
'UK ready to sell aircraft to junta just days before Falklands attack
May 05th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Another few would make no real difference' – claims newly released Foreign Office documents'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
'He peed in Peru - If Peru dropped his pants against England while Ecuador will stop the male and emerged triumphant, why Rafael Correa should have considerations for a country like Peru.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
'“Let it sink the Belgrano!”'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
'Increased the number of Argentines living in the Falkland Islands
Suman 38, according to the latest census, the highest in the last 27 years.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
'Topics covered in the 43 OAS General Assembly'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
'Bella Vista is in addition to the one million signatures campaign for the Falklands'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-ready-to-sell-aircraft-to-junta-just-days-before-falklands-attack-8604088.html
@117
May 05th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Copy & Paste........... Yawn....zzzzzzzzz
Guys, AA is American Airlines. Aerolineas Argentinas is AR.
May 05th, 2013 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough, Aerolineas Rgentina it is then.
May 05th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@119
May 05th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It looks like their very serious,”
They are.....
Other than that .........zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
#119
May 05th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do I think that when Hell freezes is an appropriate reply ?
They want RAF flights stopped. Are you taking the piss again ?
Let me see, flying from Brize Norton (UK) to Ascensions (UK ) to Falklands (UK ). How do they propose “stopping ” the RAF ?
@119 try stopping the RAF flying a typhoon over the Falklands. As Clyde says how do they propose to stop the RAF flights by burning some flags outside the LAN offices? Next week this will all be forgotten and they will have moved on to some other attention grabbing stunt, the world will continue to laugh at them, the peso will be at 16/1 and CFK will continue to bleed her country dry. I know it, you know it, and so does everyone with a ounce of common sense
May 05th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicuero, the RAF have requested that the Tupelovs have targets painted on them... And that the maiden flight has KFC Timidman and Putridjelly on it....
May 05th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#125
May 05th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clyde, obviously not by military force, but by international pressure.
Meanwhile, they will demand that they have landing rights to the islands and plan sending passengers by the first quarter of 2014.
By burning down a few travel offices, they feel that the British will finally come to their senses and allow the Islas Malvinas to rejoin their rightful ruler, but with special provisions for the first few years, such as what happened in Hong Kong.
Trounce, great links and yes, a testimony to the ability of Russian equipment being tested to the extreme limits. You'll note that some never learn, no matter how many times you do the same stunt...
Argentina has the definitive and full possession of the Islands, which includes air and ship services.
May 05th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Call me daft but don't you need ships and aircraft to achieve that?
Really what a crock of shite, and they wonder why we laugh at them, still I'll look forward to seeing what this week will bring although I doubt anything would surprise me with these idiots
Chico 128 - do please explain how someone can obtain landing rights by demanding them from someone who will NOT give them?
May 05th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And having NOT got any landing rights how do you land passengers there? Ok I accept the plane may well be allowed to land - under full military control escort and immediatley surrounded by armed forces - for simple humanitarian reasins - it would be refulled if short on fuel and ordered to take off and go away.
If its crew refused to do so - then I guess they and passengers
would be offloaded, held in civilised secure detention and repatriated by another flight as soon as could be arrnaged, and the aircraft confiscated.
End of AR operations to the Islands!
@128 I have become somewhat convinced that this trolling started out as a little bit of cheeky sarcasm and has now turned into some kind of unhealthy perverse gratification.
May 05th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The latest on the TU-154, one of them is going to be used to replace Tango-01, they feel it is safe to fly it anywhere in the world because no one would want to impound it .
May 05th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile, they will demand that they have landing rights to the islands and plan sending passengers by the first quarter of 2014.
May 05th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By burning down a few travel offices, they feel that the British will finally come to their senses
There's that word again DEMAND. Why the fuck do you THINK that burning down some Chilean airline offices in BA will affect the British and make them come to their senses. This doesn't even make the Daily Sport in Britain mate. In fact rgenweener hardly ever gets a mention in any papers ever, unless they are making some veiled threats against the Falkland Islands which stirs up National fervour and moves your pathetic attempt to negotiate the islands into rg hands even further away.
The pathetic attempt at a Union flag had me laughing so much a little bit of pee came out. Burn what you want be it offices, flags or whatever the response will be the same, howls of derision and laughter.
Oh they plan to get permission, they're going to send in a plane loaded with families of fallen Argentine soldiers along with several news media crews to document the event.
May 05th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#132 EXACTLY!
By the way, expect Monday or Tuesday an announcement from Ambassador Castro on the news.
From Aviation week: Sky Team partner, Aerolíneas Argentinas announces planned new routes for next year including Porto Alegre, Brazil, La Serena, Chile and the Islas Malvinas, currently administered by the United Kingdom.
These new exciting destinations will be in full service by the first quarter of 2014. Special tour promotions, including enticing ticket pricing will certainly be of interest for all segments of air travel customers.
Founded in 1950, Aerolíneas Argentinas is one of the leading South American carriers. From its home bases in Aeroparque Jorge Newbery and Ezeiza International Airport in Buenos Aires, Aerolíneas Argentinas flies to 18 international destinations in The Americas, Europe and the South Pacific.
Along with Austral Líneas Aéreas, Aerolíneas operates flights to 35 destinations in Argentina, flying to more cities in the Argentine territory than any other airline. Aerolíneas provides dynamic links between Argentina and the region through its relaunched hub in Aeroparque Jorge Newbery city airport. The Aerolíneas group is carrying out an ambitious fleet renewal program.
@128
May 05th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surreal .....
On Monday or Tuesday, google > Vuelos a Aeropuerto Internacional Islas Malvinas Argentinas or Vuelos a Islas Malvinas Argentinas con mejor precio .m you will be surprised.
May 05th, 2013 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 really you dipstick and when that flight is turned back and escorted by typhoons out of Falkland airspace what then, who are they going to get permission off, The Falkland islands? or are they just going to go ahead and try it. Hope they do send tv crews to document the event should be very funny to watch. Why do they suddenly care about the fallen, it's never bothered the rg government in the past and if any families and relatives want to visit there war dead all they need to do is jump on a LAN, no pesos mind. perhaps you would like to provide a link to this astonishing news from aviation week.
May 05th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An announcement from the trolley dolly, oh we wait with baited breathe to see what that oxygen thief has to say..........................NOT
Indignant Brits and Falklanders you are being trolled courtesy of Barking idiot Toby
May 05th, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 - Chicureo
May 05th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina also says that its inflation is 10%, the economy is doing fine, and the dollar to peso exchange rate won't hit 10-1.
They also say that the average Argentine citizen can live on 7 peso's per day!
No matter how much trolling you do it won't change the facts.
Any unauthorised aircraft entering Falklands airspace will be challenged and ordered to turn back. If they do not comply they will either be forced down, and everyone on board arrested, the aircraft impounded, or they will be shot down.
In our post 9/11 world, no one would blame the British for shooting down an illegal aircraft, that could be full of suicide bombers, could they?
But somehow, I doubt CFK and her ilk would find a pilot who was willing to sacrifice his life for her. I doubt CFK would find ANYBODY willing to sacrifice their lives for her. She really doesn't inspire anyone.
Chicureo doing well today, little below his usual wind up standards though.
May 05th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@138 we know just like to see how long it takes for his argument to fall flat on it's face as it always does
May 05th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#137
May 05th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slattz, calm down, I'm just reporting their perspective and giving you a heads up on next weeks announcement. In earlier posts, I've clearly showed my support for the Falkland Islanders and am pro-LAN.
The rhetoric from CFK and Alicia Castro has the UK government fed up and they would just like it all to go away. As far as links, they're too many to cut and paste, but I suggest you read tobunderstand that thisbisbnot idle thought:
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/94184/cfk-to-seek-reinstatement-of-flights-between-buenos-aires-and-malvinas
@142 Toby, TTTwat, whatever
May 05th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thursday, March 1, 2012.
DEAD in the water.
Is THIS the best you can do?
PISS off and leave the grownups alone, we have enough class one idiots on here from AR without another purporting to be from Chile.
@142 well I read the first paragraph and it states CFK WISHES to reinstate fights to the Falklands (there are no Malvinas). I wish I won the lottery don't mean it will happen. And she's instructed tinman to negotiate with the UK government, well that's dead in the water then, I bet William Hague is busting a gut to talk to him, tinman couldn't negotiate with a pigeon. The UK government aren't fed up they enjoy the laugh as do we.
May 05th, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ChrisR, you of all people I thought would see clearly. I do not have any other identity and I do not take any of this seriously. You don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to understand what's going on. Reality Check understands as well as Trunce. What's your excuse?
May 05th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The news in March 2012 was the inspiration for my earlier posts about the subject in April 2012. THINK understood first. You ever gone fly fishing?
#130Islander1 : Chico 128 - do please explain how someone can obtain landing rights by demanding them from someone who will NOT give them?
May 05th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer: They asked the Bolivians!
ChrisR
May 05th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not Nostrils.
Think further south......
@56 Consider one aircraft type. Just one. The Airbus A330-200. The same aircraft that the RAF is starting to use as its Multi Role Tanker Transport. The aircraft that, when not required for RAF operations, will be available for civilian use. Check its range. 7,500 miles fully loaded. In other words, UK to Falklands without landing. If one were to keep its refuelling tank aboard, its capable of self-refuelling. See, there are always ways!
May 05th, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@62 Let's explain a scenario. The Royal Navy picks a nice lonely beach with flat land beyond. With a submarine screen, the Navy lands Royal Marines and an infantry brigade. Then Globemasters and Hercules start flying in mechanised and armoured equipment. Then cargo vessels make Chinooks and Apaches available. Would we land the 1st Armoured Division with its 400 Challenger 2 (unbeatable) tanks? Mustn't forget the 90 self-propelled howitzers. Air superiority maintained by Tornados, Typhoons and F-35 Lightnings. Expect there to be around 300. See, it's not hard!
@117 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_Corporation#Current_products
Sorry, I don't see any Tu-404 there.
@119 It doesn't matter how many times you cut and paste quotes. Ever tried original thinking? And how would they propose to stop the RAF flights?
@128 “they will demand that they have landing rights to the islands and plan sending passengers by the first quarter of 2014.” There's that argie word again. Meanwhile, the RAF plans to greet the first argie flight with a salvo of Rapier missiles!
@134 Is that Aviation Week quote from the CFK version? It's not on their website!
@136 Oh, I get it now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Aircraft_Corporation#Current_products
@142 Yup, the article is dated Thursday, March 1, 2012
@145 Quit wasting people's time or we'll get you banned.
#148
May 06th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Conqueror,
You still have me laughing about Ambassador Castro's extensive experience.
I cannot be held responsible for readers believing my posts, but in any case, I'm delighted in being threatened of banishment.
I remain on the side of the Falklanders and have nothing but disgust for CFK's government as well as her husband's.
Saying that, please continue the commentary, I'm entertained.
@142
May 06th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read Chicureo' link about KFC wanting to establish thrice weekly flights to the islands picked up on a couple of thing.
Firstly she instructed Tinman to approach the British government for authority.
Not their remit, he needs to speak with the FIG, given that he does not even acknowledge their right to exist, that is not going to happen, is it?
Secondly, some idiot in the comments, posted that the majority of Brits, sympathised with Argentinas claim and if they only behaved nicer towards the islanders, would support the hand over of the island!! What f###ing planet is he or she living on? Not the same one as me, that is for damn sure.
@Clyde15 (107)
May 06th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I said in my post #98:
“ So if they have to trace a new route no passing over Argentina air space they will have in between 1.600km to 2000km.
From FI to Uruguay 1.979km.”
Can you see the 1600 to 2000?
Was a rough calculation made on the fly while writing the post no so bad.
So 1600km from Stanley to punta arenas and 2000km from Uruguay roughly we can discuss 200km more or less because nothing is perfect.
Now I see that you have been using google appi to make your calculation but your result provided by Goggle api of 1142.497km comes from a straight line still flying over AR AS You have to avoid that. Do you remember? Or are you planing to fly over 30km?
Anyway that would be close to a flight from London to Vienna.
But what about Rio Gallegos?
Don’t you think will be closer and cheap?
Or do you need to make your “calculis” first?
If Argentina are realy serious about providing an air link to the Falklands with a reasonably modern aircraft, then surely CFK could offer Tango 1?
May 06th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should the LAN flight stop, then Argentineans will have to fly to London to visit the Islands. Considering the tanking currency, this would prove to be an extremely expensive option.
May 06th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0However a more likely result of Argentina forbidding use of its airspace to Chilean flights to the Islands would be to just fly around it. As long as the market could support the increased cost, then there won't be a problem.
As for flights to Uruguay, not so farfetched. Once the market will support it. Considering the widening rift economically between Argentina and her neighbours, the pressure that can be bought to bear by BsAs is becoming more and more limited.
#151
May 06th, 2013 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0My calculation was made using Google, as you said. I redid the calculation and realised I had made an error. I had taken the flight path well out to sea, forgetting that the land mass at the bottom is Chilean territory. At no point was I anywhere near Argentinian airspace - in fact I was a minimum of 20 miles out
The route I used was Stanley-Islas de los Estados (20 miles off-shore) - Isla Grevy(Chile) - Isla Bertrand(Chile) -Punta Arenas. Allowing a safety margin to avoid Argentina (always a good idea), this comes out at 1100km - or less.
My figure of 1100 km was ALL OUTSIDE ARGENTINIAN AIRSPACE ! The route is a bit longer but nothing that could not be managed.
As to Rio Gallegos, why would the Falklanders wish to fly to a hostile country ?
If you wish to challenge me on aviation matters, make sure of your facts. I have access to people who are experts in that field.
I live 3 miles from Oceanic Control at Prestwick and have friends who are Air Traffic Controllers. My brother , now retired, served in flying duties in the RAF and then in ATC in a Senior Position. My son is a senior curator with the RAF museum Hendon. I don't rely on wikipedia !
As to unauthorised flights to the Falklands, all that is required is to park a large truck halfway down the runway. That would stop any attempt at landing. Another method, if a landing was permitted would be to refuse to bring the stairs to the aircraft doors and let them sit in the aircraft until they got fed up.
Assuming they needed refueling, DEMAND payment in US Dollars - up front -CASH. I have seen this work at Prestwick Airport for some dodgy companies.
145 Chicureo
May 06th, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the backhanded compliment but it is just becoming too tiresome to even think of the nonsense becoming truth.
Meanwhile the idiot argies are all puffed up beyond stratospheric reality on the chance it may happen.
I am not at all interested what the Biggest Liar On MP 'Thinks' about anything and yes I have been fly fishing, so what?
@149 You're entertained? That's a shame. There are some people who come on here with a view to revealing argie lies and declaring/demonstrating support for the Islanders. And what have you done? Wasted people's time for your own private amusement. No point in suggesting you should feel ashamed of yourself. Doubt if you even know the meaning of the word. As I have said elsewhere, you now have zero credibility. I hope that, within a short time, you find yourself ignored. Then you can go away and finding something that you find equally amusing. Perhaps pulling the legs off butterflies!
May 06th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@154 Don't waste your time. Chicureo was simply indulging his warped sense of humour and DB is cashing in. We should now be compiling a list of those to be ignored. Chicureo and DB obviously. Then Think, Stevie, alex_arg, Dod, P_H, Fido.
@Clyde15
May 06th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“If you wish to challenge me on aviation matters”
Nope I don’t want to challenge you calm boy...
But using google distance calculator like you I get 1,121.559km using straight lines.
Also I think that other issues have to be contemplate like turbulence zones in the area, etc that can add extra kms to avoid them. We don’t want Islanders to go up and down on the plane by issues like that. Do we?
And the black holes?
I’ve heard that argies have a secret weapon to create and expand black holes by adding photons and electrons into it. Seems black holes have entropy you know. Ha ha
There WILL be regular service from Buenos Aires to the Malvinas Argentinas International Airport. You can google it although you have to use that name and not Mount Pleasant.
May 06th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They'll probably allow LAN to continue regular service, but without the LAN designation and instead will use Ladeco.
A petition will be submitted this week requesting that the UK allow compassionate air service for the grieving families to visit their loved ones buried there.
@157 - Dany
May 06th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you talk crap.
But back on topic.
There is no way in hell that the Falkland Islands Government or the United Kingdom's Government will give in to threats.
It's not in our nature.
We just need to play the waiting game, while Argentina destroys itself, no effort required by us at all.
CFK can only keep robbing Peter to pay Paul for so long before there is nothing left to steal. Then her end shall be nigh, but it will already be too late for Argentina, as you sink once again into default and bankruptcy.
That's what really bothers you the most. The UK and Falkland Islands are successful, whilst Argentina is an abject failure - unable or unwilling to learn from past mistakes.
Never mind, maybe Brazil or Chile will invade and put Argentina out of its misery.
#157
May 06th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good God ! Dany ALMOST admitting he was wrong. Thankfully I was seated or I could have keeled over in shock !
Have you tried a Great Circle route or a Rhumb line ? The distance could vary again. Whatever, your initial distance of 1600/2000 km was WAY OUT.
Turbulence is usually avoided by climbing or descending altitudes.
The same would be applicable on a flight to Rio Gallagos.
No pilot wishes to detour further south than he has to due to harsh unpredictable weather. Agai I repeat for Conqueror's inability to read and comprehend the English language: (Conqueror, please do not comment about my posts, or I will have to reveal that You are nothing more than a sock puppet Dreamed up by THINK...) From the Media: Sky Team partner, Aerolíneas Argentinas announces planned new routes for next year including Porto Alegre, Brazil, La Serena, Chile and the Islas Malvinas, currently administered by the United Kingdom.
May 06th, 2013 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These new exciting destinations will be in full service by the first quarter of 2014. Special tour promotions, including enticing ticket pricing will certainly be of interest for all segments of air travel customers.
Founded in 1950, Aerolíneas Argentinas is one of the leading South American carriers. From its home bases in Aeroparque Jorge Newbery and Ezeiza International Airport in Buenos Aires, Aerolíneas Argentinas flies to 18 international destinations in The Americas, Europe and the South Pacific.
Along with Austral Líneas Aéreas, Aerolíneas operates flights to 35 destinations in Argentina, flying to more cities in the Argentine territory than any other airline. Aerolíneas provides dynamic links between Argentina and the region through its relaunched hub in Aeroparque Jorge Newbery city airport. The Aerolíneas group is carrying out an ambitious fleet renewal program.
Chicuero
May 06th, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“compassionate air service for the grieving families to visit their loved ones buried there.”
Good god it's been 30 years - time to get over it. If they are grieving that much, then apply for the body to be exhumed and transferred to Argentina. I am pretty sure that the British or FI government will cover the costs of this.
I am sure you will keep posting this crap month after month.... you seem to like the idea of “fishing” here with this ridiculous story, so we will all keep waiting.
When was this supposed announcement/request going to take place?
@158:
May 06th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aeroporto Internacional de Ushuaia - Malvinas Argentinas
Ushuaia - Malvinas Argentinas International Airport (USH) - Comodoro Augusto Laserre 933, 9410 Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego, Argentina
+54 2901 42-1717 ()
This is a place beside Ushuaia, - Not MPN on the Falkalnds.
Well it's frustrating for me as well. I understand there is a “three way trade swap”being negotiated with Russia that involves wheat from Argentina to North Korea, with the national airline providing trained engineers that specialized in Tu-154 servicing and Russia receiving a concession for petroleum development in Patagonia. That alone is time consuming. The lack of cooperation from Her Magestty's government is another factor in the delay. Finally, finding trained certified pilots for the 3 Tu-154s is more difficult than imagined. (Very few North Korean pilots speak Spanish, or English for that matter...). The only certainty is that CFK will bravely pursue the issue until victory...
May 06th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I diagramming the sentences in @164 right? The very image of Koryo (the sole winner of the Skytrax booby prize every year) supporting AA (a 3-star safe in the big herd in the sky) as it tries to get back on her feet is just not even good satire... (Once again, AA by design, national politics, AR's unrepentant stance towards 82 and alliance affiliation, is just not the lead carrier for the Islands. If AR treated the Islanders with respect, flights could easily be negotiated amicably along with One World carriers but until then this childish game they're playing will not get the grieving families of the Juntas last gasp Skyteam Elite status anytime soon)
May 06th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#165
May 06th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And... Do you have a better idea on how to acquire equipment for servicing the Buenos Aires - Mount Pleasant route? It's not like they can procure aircraft from traditional supplier due to some economic difficulties at the moment.
Really, all CFK wants to do is to is improve the quality of life for the islanders.
Well we all know how she can do that, but I reckon she is good for at least another ten too twenty years!
May 06th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@166 I agree that AA needs to upgrade her overall fleet so it can project its market presence to airports elsewhere, not just to MPN. I can see them working on a dodgy threeway between AR-RU-NK for dollars or trade. I can definitely them working their alliance partner, Aeroflot which ain't Asiana but isn't as bad as people say and indeed, it makes sense to me, but NK? That is just too far into W.T.F. territory for me on so many levels of unfeasibility.
May 06th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Really, all CFK wants to do is to is improve the quality of life for the islanders.”
There is NO ONE to tell that lie to here on MP. Even the usual Malvanistas here see the Islanders as a un-people they need to subjugate like the Nazis took Czechoslovakia to recover the manhood they lost to “that woman” in 82. Likewise, CFK needs to colonize the islands against their will to improve her standing at home. Nothing more. If CFK wanted to improve the quality of life with the Islanders she'd be normalizing relations with a NEIGHBOR not a people who are criminals for not bowing down in 82 to the Junta that she otherwise acts like she repudiates, or having her foreign minister run away from two elected official when they have much to talk about and much they could amicably agree on that would benefit both the FI and AR.
WRT air travel, she could negotiate WITH THE FIG to include AA flights (and even propose a Montague-Capulet cross-aliance code sharing partnership between AA-BA a la MH-KLM if BA and the FIG are willing) -- but not a the expense of other carriers such as LAN by hockeychecking them out of a market like she's Galtieri in drag when the FIG is happy with the arrangement. She and her Campora thugs are practicing their usual artlessness here. It's not good statesmanship, and it's not good business. If they wanted a win-win they could easily score one here and open the door to a civil albeit cool relationship. But CFK is zero-sum all the way with the Falklands.
I'm really not sure why you people are discussing flying with Aerolingus Argentinas Plummetous. Wouldn't you be better off serving a life of helping people rather than just throwing it away?
May 06th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would prefer to help humanity by keeping them informed of what future lies in store for the reunification of the Argentinian people. Something gradual, such as Hong Kong or like Macau...
May 06th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peaceful integration fair integration like Rhodesia or like the Belgian Congo...
...and don't worry, Argentina will allow a fair arbitrator to work out the wealth and land redistribution, such as Venezuela...
170 Chicureo (#)
May 06th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 06th, 2013 - 04:09 pm
“..and don't worry, Argentina will allow a fair arbitrator to work out the wealth and land redistribution, such as Venezuela...”
Venezuela, Chicureo, I love it!!!!!!!
Simon, exactly!
May 06th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As soon as CFK and her goons take away the LAN route and replace it with a direct Buenos Aires connection, they would do everything bully the islanders, as Argentina did prior to 1982. You know as an Argentine what I'm really up to. LAN is a superior run airline and Chileans are very sympathetic to the islanders as well as to the plight of our Argentine brothers living under such an oppressive and corrupt government. What country on earth would want to live underArgentine administration?
Even Bolivia can't stand CFK... Much less ALL the countries that border your nation.
172 Chicureo (#)
May 06th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May 06th, 2013 - 04:47 pm
“... What country on earth would want to live underArgentine administration?”
An awful lot of us would agree with you on that!!!!!
The “witch” Cristina (Actually which rhymes with “witch”) is quoted as saying:
May 06th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Malvinas cause is the symbol of national unity and will only come to an end when Argentina has the definitive and full possession of the Islands, which includes air and ship services. “ President Cristina Fernandez “is prepared to exhaust all resources”. The Malvinas dispute will not be over until Argentina has full and definitive possession of the Malvinas and the Argentine flag flies in the Islands.”
How do you negotiate with CFK? Answer: air to air missiles and torpedoes...
Demand demands and demand again.
May 06th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought of matters concerning demands,
Today a burnt union jack stood up and violently punched an argentine protester in the nose,
[The protester says he was surprised]
……………
[Argentine radical group ‘Resistance Malvinas’ ]
Announce today that it will supply enlarged step ladders, so its members can swat the RAF .
[as soon as we find a reliable supplier to 12 – 30,000 foot ladders.
…………….
Remember and honour the victims of that war crime which was the sinking of the General Belgrano
[Yet despite the threats, calmly forgets it was Argentina that sent it in the first place]
It was themselves that started the damm thing, oops lets forget that bit says CFK ]
,,,,,,,,
bars English flagged or convenience flagged vessels from calling in Argentine ports if they also have links with the British in Malvinas” explained Lopez.??
[if you have links with argentine territory, you will be barred from argentine territory.]
Now that’s must earn them the fools prize.ha ha ]
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Besides we trust the current government will take the necessary measures in support of that goal,
Clap clap clap,
And CFK has promised to do exactly NOTHING , NOTHING , NOTHING.
Boy these argies can certainly talk and brag,, brag and talk , talk and brag , blab la bla.
.
I just wonder what kind of food will be served on “Aerolingus” Tupolev 444 from BA to Stanley flights I hope they include Kebabs and curry like in British AirNoways...
May 07th, 2013 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0#176
May 07th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations, it is about 3 weeks since you last mentioned curry or kebabs ! This fare would be infinately preferable to the choripane diet on which your countrymen hold such store.
I was half expecting a remark about the flight attendants wearing pyjamas - are you mellowing ?
Yum curry and kebabs.
May 07th, 2013 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So glad I live in a multicultural country!
Mind you I never ate as many curry sausages or kebabs (mit knoblauch) as when I lived in Berlin.
@178 - Anglotino
May 07th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mmm, currywurst. Can't beat it!
“As soon as CFK and her goons take away the LAN route and replace it with a direct Buenos Aires connection”
May 07th, 2013 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Which they can't do. They may be able to influence LAN to stop their flights but without the say so of FIG they won't be able to replace it with a flight to BA. We went long enough without a flight to South America and whilst I would miss it I'd rather do without than be dictated to. This is precisely the reason I was against the 99 agreement.
@179 LEPRecon
May 07th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0So glad you understand what it is like to try different things. So glad that I can eat almost any cuisine in Melbourne.
http://www.argentinianrestaurants.com.au/
Dunno, the KLM a la carte Indonesian meal I had ... was actually pleasant for airline food and a step above Delta trying to serve us soup in first class. But why would anyone order the dutch plate. I thought the whole point of Colonialism Classique was to get a better menu on the table (or fold up tray).
May 07th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.klm.com/travel/us_en/prepare_for_travel/on_board/dining_on_board/alacarte_menu.htm
But GOD for heavens sake NEVER order a child's meal for your kid from ANY carier leaving Sydney. That ain't pudding. That's the adult main course pureed. I kid thee not.
The antics and comments of Toni Lopez are similar to that of Ernst Röhm of the SA.
May 08th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike Lopez, Röhm actually saw combat.
183 BOTINHO
May 08th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you could not consider 'Gorgeous Toni' to be a serious rival to anybody other than Mickey Mouse!
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May 09th, 2013 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EDITOR;
May 09th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Raul” is spamming the MP threads with this message, regardless of the subject of the thread.
It is off-topic
Please remove.
Thank you
@161
May 09th, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Aerolíneas Argentinas is one of the leading South American carrier”
Lan Chile IS the leading South American carrier.
Peter Bog
May 10th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicuero is just another Think sock puppet.
Chicureo... whats up to you man. I understand up to a certain point its amusing making fun of this situation and watching the reaction of certain boneheads, but after that, it just gets a bit annyoing. The gag rans out. I prefered the rational chicureo much better, who lead serious discussions.
May 10th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@188
May 10th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who seemed to be mired in a sock pit for ever
188,189,190 pro-FI Gents
May 10th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Chicuero is just another Think sock puppet”
Was wondering that, myself.
He DOES refer to 'Think' a good deal, and he DOES like to provoke reactions from pro-FI posters.
'Think' does have a NEED for constant attention and his characters exist for that reason.
I put my toy tupolev airplanes in a box and left, but I amazed that some fools think that I'm a sock puppet of THINK ...
May 10th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I've been able to upset a large number of innocents on both sides of the Falklands issue and I find that amusing.
Troy and Pete
May 11th, 2013 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it would seem so.
The give away is there for many to see.
Chicureo, though I do distinguish between some prepotent british posters who talk, without really having a clue about the WHOLE picture of latin america and do put us all in one pot, and on the other side most Falklanders who know quite well how thinks work in one and the other regional country. I feel very strong sympathy for Falklanders and their ungrateful situation of being bullied by Argentina.
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